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Thread: Agile programming (was Re: [P|C] Banksel)
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I don't have enough time to respond to everything, but at the same time I
feel I need to bring this thread to some soft of logical conclusion, so...

Rolf wrote:
> Oh, holy cow batman. Thanks Gerhard. Your post inspired me to read that
> website. I could hardly believe that all those things you quoted were
> the Agile 'mantra'. They sound like things written by poor advertising
> agencies.

I posted links, and referenced the manifesto and the principles throughout
this thread. I think it's very typical that people choose to argue until
they're blue in the face, but don't even bother to find out exactly what it
is they're arguing against. It takes less than a minute to read both the
manifesto and the principles, in their entirety.

Gerhard wrote:
>> Why don't you
> Not sure what you wanted to write here (it seems unfinished), but I hope
> you are aware that (IMO) Rolf wrote this kind of tongue-in-cheek, and so
> did I. Responding to a similar paragraph of yours (which I snipped).

It was late, I was tired, and I was going to make a joke by inviting you
both to Arizona (it would be a change with a capital "A"). The joke was
lame, but I forgot to delete the beginning of the sentence.

It wasn't my intent to convert any of you (what's in in for me, anyway?). I
simply wanted to set things straight, because Rolf made some statements that
I know are not true. I probably confused the issue even more, for which I

I learned a lot nonetheless, and maybe more than anything, this thread
confirmed what I already knew -- for example, that people resist change
(Olin admitted that the problem with Agile, is that it has a name).

I don't know where I'm going to go from here. I think I'll still share some
of what I learned from time to time, there are techniques that are useful
whether you subscribe to a certain development methodology, or not (although
there is synergy when several techniques are used together).

I don't like to think of programming as a black art, I think we can and must
learn how to do it well.


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