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Thread: : Al Gore - A Generational Challenge to Repower America
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:59:44PM -0400, piclist@spam@spamspamBeGoneian.org wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > Building a hydrogen distribution system is not going to be easy, or cheap.
> > > But it does have one HUGE advantage over sticking with the current system
> > > that we have... it is sustainable.
> >
> > What sustainable source of energy is going to be used to produce the
> > hydrogen? The US gets half it electricity from burning coal and 95% of the
> > hydrogen that is produced is done so using petroleum. Hydrogen would only be
> > evo friendly if generated using nuclear power (so more plants need to be
> > built), but producing hydrogen would still be a wasteful use of that energy.
> I am assuming we build more nuclear power, as it's the only means I can
> think of that could replace petroleum use.

This might happen in France or Japan, but building nuclear power plant in
the US has enormous political hurtles to overcome. As energy costs increase
the out cry against nuclear should lessen...

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Folks are just going to have to adjust! If someone doesn't like the recharge
time, then they can own a car with a gasoline engine. People who can't plan
or want instant gratification are going to be paying a premium.

> Batteries are not going to help trucks, and that is where hydrogen can get
> a foothold.  Trucks already have a seperate system in desil, and you can
> build your refueling along interstates and major trucking lines.  Expand
> from there.  Add government support to the mix and it can go much faster.
> But I would be equally happy if we moved to electric cars and cleaner ways
> to generate the power too.  I just think hydrogen is a better long term
> move.

You should get a copy of Skeptic magazine Vol.14 No.1 2008 and read the
article "The Hydrogen Economy" by Alice Friedemann. The article explains in
very stark terms what is wrong with hydrogen. The author states that
increasing the average overall fuel economy of vehicles would be the best
place to spend our money. Here is part of the conclusion section:

"The laws of physics mean the hydrogen economy will always be an energy
sink. Hydrogen's properties require you to spend more energy than you can
earn, because in order to get it you must overcome water's hydrogen-oxygen
bond, move heavy cars, prevent leaks and brittle metals, and transport
hydrogen to the destination. It doesn't matter if all of these problems are
solved, or how much money is spent. You will use more energy to create,
store, and transport hydrogen than you will ever get out of it."

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