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PICLIST FAQ

The PICList is a collection of people interested in the Microchip PIC
processor who have requested that email sent to the PICList email address be
forwarded to them.
There are 1908 people subscribed to the PICList (as of 2000/12/11) so
sending a post to the PICList results in a lot of people spending the time
required to read your message or question. They would all appreciate it if
you would Search the PICList PIC FAQ and Project List at
http://www.piclist.com/techref/microchip
, or the SX FAQ at
http://www.sxlist.com
and search the Archives at
http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/
or
www.infosite.com/%7Ejkeyzer/piclist/index.html
before posting a question. If you are just starting with the PIC
microcontroller, please read the Beginners checklist at
http://www.piclist.com/piclist/begin

Many of our members enjoy reading posts on topics other than the PIC but
that may be interesting to PICers (engineering, ideas, technical jokes,
etc...) but many others do not wish to spend the time required to read these
off-topic posts. They would appreciate it if you would put the text [OT]:
(including the colon) at the beginning of the subject line of your post so
that they know its not about PICs. If you are replying to a post that is not
about PICs and notice that it is not marked [OT]:, please edit the subject
line to add that flag.

Remember that the PICList is a world wide thing and that if you are talking
about an item that may change with physical location you should mention
yours (at least country and maybe state or province).

Questions answered by this FAQ:

How do I send messages to the list?
How do I send commands (like to subscribe/unsubscribe)?
Where must the command be in my email?
What commands are available ?
Is the list moderated, how do I contact the moderators,  and what are the
guidelines?
What are these [PIC]: and [OT]: things in the subject lines? What are
Topics?
Why do my reply's to list messages sometimes go to the list and other times
go to the person who posted the message?
Is the PICList a good place to ask for / post cracks for PIC related
software?
Can I advertise my product on the PICList?
Is the list archived?
Are these archives searchable?
Why don't I see my own posts to the PICLIST?
Can I get the list in "digest" format?
Can I get only the posts that interest me in digest form?
On my slow internet connection, it takes forever to download all the email
and I'm only interested in a few anyway. How can I keep using the list?
I'm going on vacation / don't want to be involved in the PICList for a
while. Should I unsubscribe and then re-subscribe when I get back?
I've been on the PICList for a while and suddenly I'm not getting any of the
50 odd messages per day that normally come in:
My email address is changing. How can I forward my PICList emails?
I want to post to the PICList from my home email account and from work. When
I try to post from an account from which I am not subscribed to the PICList
I get a "rejected posting" message and if I subscribe from both email
accounts, I end up with two copies of every post. What can I do?
I'm having (some other) problem with the PICList
How can I sort email from the PICList to separate it from my other email?
How is the PICList like a PIC?

Q : How do I send messages to the list?
A : Step by step:

First, you check the PICList.com PIC FAQ at
http://www.piclist.com/microchip
or the SX FAQ at
http://www.sxlist.com
.  and search the Archives. to get an instant answer without wasting
anyone's time.

Second, you must be subscribed to the list to post to the list and you must
send from the email address you subscribed from. If you are not subscribed
already, send any message to piclist-subscribe-requestspam_OUTspammitvma.mit.edu and
wait for the welcome message.

Third you must compose a message to RemoveMEPICLISTEraseMEspamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU that will elicit
help.
The subject should be as complete a description of the problem as is
possible in 60 characters or so. Compress and distill. The PICList uses
topics to help keep track of various threads and off-topic posts. Therefore,
your subject line must start with ONE (and only one) of these labels:

[PIC]:
TakeThisOuTpiclistTakeThisOuTspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu?subject=%5BPIC%5D%3A> This label is for posts that are strictly on the topic of PICs. If the
subject is not PIC specific, please use another tag. Some examples of [PIC]:
topics are: MPLAB or other PIC language questions, on chip peripherals, how
to do some sort of thing in PIC assembly language or other PIC specific
languages, "how do I...on a PIC".
[SX]:
EraseMEpiclist.....spammitvma.mit.edu?subject=%5BSX%5D%3A%20> Items specific to the Scenix SX microcontrollers
[AVR]:
TakeThisOuTpiclistspam_OUTspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu?Subject=%5BAVR%5D%3A%20> Items specific to the Atmel AVR microcontrollers
[EE]:
TakeThisOuTpiclist.....spamspammitvma.mit.edu?subject=%5BEE%5D%3A )
This label is for topics that, while not necessarily about PICs, are of
general interest to the EE community. How to hook something up to a
microcontroller or other computer (not related to the PIC on board
peripherals), how to measure something, how something works, news about
companies involved in EE, etc...
[OT]:
STOPspampiclistspamBeGonespamTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu?subject=%5BOT%5D%3A )
This label is for posts that are completely off the topic of PICs. The only
thing we don't (ever) want to see are religious, hate, or political
messages.
[BUY]:
KILLspamPICLISTRemoveMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?Subject=%5BBUY%5D%3A%20> People looking for parts, equipment, or consultants should use this topic.
[AD]:
KILLspampiclistspam_OUTspamSTOPspammitvma.mit.edu?subject=%5BAD%5D%3A )
This label is for posts advertising a commercial product or service. Don't
SPAM, do post [AD]:
The colon following the label *is* required as part of the label, don't use
more than one topic tag. If its not about PICs directly, that's ok, post it
anyway but put [OT]: or [EE]: at the beginning of the subject line instead
of [PIC]:.

If you are selling something PIC related, limit your posts to new product
announcements or reply's to other members questions and always add [AD]: to
the beginning of the subject line.

The body should
- be in plain text, not HTML. (see:
www.piclist.com/techref/app/inet/emailfmt.htm
for more information)
- be a detailed description of the problem in as few words as possible.
- If you have a web page, post a verbose description of the problem to it
and put the full URL of that page in your post (include the ) along
with a summary of the problem.
- include what you are trying to do (overall), what you expected to have
happen at this point, what you are seeing, and how you are seeing it (what
test equipment, etc...)
- Include specific part numbers, code snippets (not the full source,
please), and signal descriptions.

Finally, read your message over again, check the subject line and press
send.
You may not see your message echoed on the PICList, and it may take more
than a day before anyone responds since most people only read their PICList
mail once a day and they are all over the world. If no one responds after a
few days, read the rest of this page,  and Myke Predko's general list
guidelines at
www.piclist.com/techref/piclist/listguide
,  rethink your post and add a "Nobody responded to my last post, what am I
doing wrong?" to the beginning and send it again.

Q : How do I send commands (like to subscribe/unsubscribe)?
A : To send a command, send it in the body of an email to the list server
address :
LISTSERVspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
And include the name of the list ("PICLIST") For instance, to get off the
list, you send the command :
SIGNOFF PICLIST to @spam@LISTSERVEraseMEspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU or send any email to
piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspamspammitvma.mit.edu or
EraseMEpiclist-signoff-requestRemoveMEspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu. (
spampiclist-unsubscribe-requestspamBeGonespammitvma.mit.edu> )
Sending SIGNOFF PICLIST in the body of a post to the PICLIST@... address
will result in about 1700 people being notified that you want to leave the
PICList and the emails will keep right on coming.

Q : Where must the command be in my email?
A : In the message body. The subject line is ignored.

Q : What commands are available?
A : List of ListServer commands is available at
http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist/commands

Q: Is the list moderated, how do I contact the moderators,  and what are the
guidelines?
A: The list is administered, not moderated by Mark Willis, James Newton ,
Mike Werner and Jory Bell (who originally setup and totally owns the list).
Posting messages to the "PICList Administration Port", at
.....PICList-RequestspamBeGonespamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (
RemoveMEPICList-RequestRemoveMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
), causes that message to be distributed to all admins who then read your
post & try to help. They have now published guidelines at this site. Admin's
guide the list by asking that people mark off topic messages with [OT]: at
the start of the subject line (not OT, <OT>, {OT], [OT], or off topic) and
PICLIST related but not PIC related messages with [Admin] so that people who
do not wish to read these postings can filter them out via their email
programs. Non-PIC related threads are common and the volume of messages can
be several hundred per week. Several respected, valuable, and otherwise
caring people have, in the past, unsubscribed due to a temporary peak in the
volume of fluff and bad attitudes. When bickering and non-technical posts
reach a fever pitch, James, Mark and even Jory have been known to step in
and put a stop to it by warning people and throwing them off the list. If
you want to be accepted and get the most help, please read some general list
guidelines at
http://www.piclist.com/techref/listguide
. Text only posts (no HTML email) are preferred and messages of hatred or
intolerance will get you kicked off the list, period. Please forward
suggestion or complaints about the list to the list admins at
spam_OUTPICList-RequestspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU rather than to all the list members. Product
information about your PIC related product is fine as long as the subject
line starts with [AD]:, but blatant spam is not. Advertise your company,
product or site in a one or two line addition to your signature at the
bottom of your posts.

Q: What are these [PIC]: and [OT]: things in the subject lines? What are
Topics?
The PICList is currently experimenting with the use of topics and topic
filtering to try to allow a greater range of discussion while still
respecting the fact that many hardcore engineers, who are valuable resources
to the list, may have little time to read off topic posts and need a
reliable way to filter them out so that they can spend what time they have
concentrating on the topic they are most interested in. Despite our name,
the PICList also hosts discussions related to other embedded controllers.

Topic tags must be at the start of the subject line, enclosed in brackets
"[" and "]" and followed by a colon ":". For example, the current topics
are:

[PIC]:
RemoveMEPICLISTspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU?Subject=%5BPIC%5D%3A%20> Which should be at the start of the subject line for most postings to the
PICList. This says that a PIC microcontroller (or clone like the SX line) is
directly involved, connected or the entire subject of your post. Any person
who works with PICs would want to read it...
[SX]:
@spam@PICLISTRemoveMEspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU?Subject=%5BSX%5D%3A%20> Items specific to the Scenix SX microcontrollers
[AVR]:
PICLISTTakeThisOuTspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU?Subject=%5BAVR%5D%3A%20> Items specific to the Atmel AVR microcontrollers
[EE]:
KILLspamPICLISTspamBeGonespamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?Subject=%5BEE%5D%3A%20> Items which have little connection to PICs, but may be of interest to
electrical engineers.
[OT]:
spamPICLISTRemoveMEspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU?Subject=%5BOT%5D%3A%20> Items which have little or no connection to the PICLIST, but are asked by
its members anyway.
[BUY]:
STOPspamPICLIST@spam@spamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU?Subject=%5BBUY%5D%3A%20> People looking for parts, equipment, or consultants should use this topic.
[AD]:
EraseMEPICLISTKILLspamspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU?Subject=%5BAD%5D%3A%20> This is for advertisements of a commercial product or service. Don't SPAM,
do post [AD]:
If you don't use one of these, other people will not see your posts. People
who are interested only in the PIC itself listen to [PIC]:, people who are
also interested in general engineering issues still listen to [PIC]: and
also listen to [EE]: and people who are also interested in anything
PICListers have to say also listen to [OT]:. People who are interested in
buying or selling also listen to [AD]:.

Please pick ONE that matches the subject of your post and type it at the
start of the subject line (don't forget the colon) and then continue.
Putting a topic tag in, filters the post IN to that topic rather than
filtering it OUT of the other topics like it used to. Ok? Let me say that
again...

Putting a topic tag in, filters the post IN to that topic rather than
filtering it OUT of the other topics like it used to.
The point of this is that it will reduce the likelihood of people posting
comments about the space program with [PIC]: at the start of the subject
line. It also breaks up the PICList in to "Channels" where each topic can be
turned on or off with a command to the list server. If you are very busy,
then you can only turn on the [PIC]: channel and turn the others off. Just
tell the list server to only send [PIC]: topics by sending SET PICLIST
TOPICS: [PIC] to
spam_OUTLISTSERVEraseMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

You can now turn on or off any of the topic channels by sending SET PICLIST
TOPICS: followed by a plus or minus sign and the topic tag (without the
colon) to .....LISTSERVSTOPspamspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU.

If you don't want advertisements, click on:
RemoveMELISTSERVspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-%5BAD%5D> or if you do:
KILLspamLISTSERVKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20+%5BAD%5D


If you don't want posts that are not about PICs or at least electrical
engineering, turn off the [OT]: channel by clicking on:
STOPspamLISTSERVspamBeGonespamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-%5BOT%5D> when you get board try:
EraseMELISTSERVspamSTOPspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20+%5BOT%5D


For no general engineering (but still PIC engineering) posts use:
spamLISTSERVEraseMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-%5BEE%5D> or turn [EE]: back on with
LISTSERVspam_OUTspamSTOPspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20+%5BEE%5D


If you don't care to hear about the Atmel AVR processors, click on:
TakeThisOuTLISTSERVspam_OUTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-%5BAVR%5D> or if you do:
.....LISTSERVRemoveMEspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20+%5BAVR%5D


If you don't care to hear about the Scenix SX processors, click on:
LISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-%5BSX%5D> or if you do:
spam_OUTLISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20+%5BSX%5D


One special channel that should be mentioned is the Other: channel. This is
were posts that don't have the correct topic tags are sent. If you are
seeing untagged post, you have the Other: channel enabled. You can turn off
the Other: channel by sending SET PICLIST TOPICS: -Other to
spam_OUTLISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
RemoveMELISTSERVspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-other

We have included the brackets in most topic tags so that people can
subscribe to both [PIC]: and [OT]: and then filter the [OT]:'s into another
folder for later (low priority) reading... or other such stuff like that.

[ADMIN]: posts (about the list but not related to the list topic) will be
sent to topic ALL: which is a special tag that sends the message to all
subscribers no matter what. We will still include [ADMIN]: after the ALL: to
let people know that it is an admin post.


Q.Why do my replys to list messages sometimes go to the list and other times
go to the person who posted the message?
A. The listserver respects each members setting for replyto address... if
non is specified, the replyto address in the post will be set to the
PICList, if the members specifies a replyto address, the replyto address in
the post will be that address.

To always reply to the list, just check the reply address in the post you
are typeing and change it to @spam@piclist.....spammitvma.mit.edu if it isn't already.

To reply to the messages author offlist, first open (do not reply) to the
message and copy the from address, then reply and paste that address over
the top of the reply address.

Q. Is the PICList a good place to ask for / post cracks for PIC related
software?
A. Remember that the PICList is a public forum. Most of its members are
working engineers. Asking for a crack will typically get you nothing but
advice to pay for what you get. In the past, cracks posted to the list have
evoked mixed responses ranging from offlist threats, to onlist thanks and
have started some flame threads about hacking and cracking and software
licenses and prices in general which always end up being a waste of
bandwidth. List members have been known to forward cracking related threads
to the maker of the product being cracked with full header information
(including your email address, and who your ISP is).

We can't stop people from posting things that are not legal. We do not
approve of software piracy and will remove from the list individuals who
show a flagrant disregard for the rights (and efforts) of others. We will
forcibly kill flame threads that have no bearing on PICs and are not
appropriate to the list.

Jory says: "...[we can't prevent] PICList people [from pirating] software,
since that is everyone's own choice, ... i don't want to police such things,
but please keep in mind the nature of your communication, and the nature of
a public list and decide what is appropriate."

Let's keep cracking off the PICList, there are plenty of other lists for
that, and as always, please mark anything not directly related to PIC
engineering with an [OT] : or [EE]: at the beginning of the subject line.


Q: Can I advertise my product on the PICList?
A: Yes and no. Put [AD]: at the start of the subject line in any case but...
Read on:

SOLVING PROBLEMS WITH YOUR PRODUCT
:> Great! Responding to a question or a request for help with an
advertisement for your product which is a solution to the original post is
no problem. That type of advertising is "a good thing" as it A) solves the
posters problem B) encourages related businesses C) Keeps people who do this
stuff for a living involved in the list. D) sometimes it triggers a "hey, I
can do that for a lot less" response that leads to a healthy competition for
the advertisers.
Don, Tony, Myke and others have been called on the carpet by disgruntled
individuals for advertising and list members have resoundingly stood up for
them.

Before you buy anything, don't be afraid to ask others on the list for
confirmation that a product recommended by the mfg. as a solution to your
problem is a good choice. List members will not hesitate to speak up <GRIN>
and the manufacturers are expected to be thick skinned.


SIGNATURE LINES
:) Good: Adding a line or two to your signature about what you do, buy, sell
or believe in is also no problem. The only possible exceptions are political
and/or religious flame starters and spiteful messages.

PRODUCT NEWS
:| Maybe: Posting News or information about your product (unsolicited) to
the list. Well... ok... *IF* its a product that people on the PICList will
really use. The only trick is that in the eyes of the poster, the fact that
his new hydroponic plant management system has an embedded controller
somewhere in it qualifies it for the PICList even though he hasn't published
a schematic, code or even any description of the design process and its
never been mentioned on the list before. On the other hand, if the product
actually A) does something to an embedded controller or for an embedded
controller (like a programmer or a simulator etc...) B) Uses an embedded
controller and has engineering details published or C) was designed with
help from the list (e.g. we all heard about the problems and solutions
involved in the making of it), we don't see any problem.

THE FINAL WORD
:{ Listen: The final judgment of what is appropriate is left in the hands of
the PICList administrators, if *they* feel a post is inappropriate, they
WILL take action with at least a warning, followed by removal and or barring
the offender from the list, at their option, on this as in any
transgression. Be sure to put [AD]: at the start of the subject line.
Q: Is the list archived?
A: Yes. Please use it:

Since December 1998 up to realtime with a full search engine at
www.infosite.com/~jkeyzer/piclist/index.html
(NOTE: this site has been password protected to prevent mining by SPAMers
web robots for email addresses but the username is piclist and the password
is piclist)
Since March 1996 to realtime with a time range but subject line only search
engine at http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/.
The server also archives the list - as of 4 January 2000 the server contains
archives back to April 1998. To get a list of the archives send the command
"index piclist" to TakeThisOuTlistservspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu. (Thanks Mike!)
Q: Are these archives searchable?
A: Yes, they are. The two webpages have search engines on the page. The
direct server interface also provides search capability by email. To use the
email interface, compose a new message addressed to .....listservspamspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu.
In the body of the message, create your search parameters like this:

search keyword in listname

where keyword is the word or words (separated by spaces) that you wish to
search for and listname would be PICList.

You can further limit the search to a specific time frame by adding the
phrase

from date1

to begin the search at date1. You can also specify an ending date by adding

to date2

The full command would then be:

search keyword in listname from date1 to date2

Two other limiters that can be used are

where subject contains text

and

where sender contains text

These limiters contain the search to messages that have certain subject
lines or were sent by specific individuals, respectively.

[Thanks to Mike Werner]

Q: Why don't I see my own posts to the PICLIST?
A: This was the default setting on the list server. Mike figured out how to
change that so now, the default is that you will see your posts echoed back
to you. (Thanks Mike!) To changes this so that a copy of your post is sent
back to you from the list, send the command:
SET PICLIST REP to spamLISTSERV.....spamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU
TakeThisOuTLISTSERV.....spamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20REP

Q: Can I get the list in "digest" format?
A: Yes. To change to digest mode, just send the command SET PICList DIGest
to RemoveMELISTSERVspamBeGonespamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU.
.....LISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICList%20DIGest> To get back to individual emails, send the command SET PICList NODIGests to
RemoveMELISTSERVspamBeGonespamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
STOPspamLISTSERVEraseMEspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICList%20NODIGest

Q: Can I get only the posts that interest me in digest form?
Q: On my slow internet connection, it takes forever to download all the
email and I'm only interested in a few anyway. How can I keep using the
list?
A: Using the Index mode of the PIC List. [thanks to Mike Werner]

First of all, you must tell the server that you want the index mode for your
subscription. To do this, send a message to EraseMELISTSERVspam_OUTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU with the
command "set piclist index" (without the quotes, of course) as the sole
content in the body of the message.
KILLspamLISTSERVspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICList%20INDEX

From then on you will receive a daily index of postings to the list, looking
something like this:

Index  Date  Size Poster and subject
-----  ----  ---- ------------------
043066 10/22   18 From:    Mike Werner <spamreznaeous.....spamRemoveMEEARTHLINK.NET>
                 Subject: Re: [OT] Bullet Proof Circuit... was: Survey...
What
                          is an

Except that there would be a whole lot more entries than that. The headers
are fairly self-explanatory, but as a quick once over they are: Index is a
server assigned sequential number for reference purposes, Date is the date
the message was received by the server, Size is the number of lines in the
message not counting headers, and then Poster and Subject is just that.

To retrieve the full message, all you need do is hit reply, quote the
original message (most mailers will do that either automatically or provide
a button to do so), and then edit out the messages that you are not
interested in. Once you have done that, send the message. In a few minutes
you will receive one digest-style message containing just the messages you
wanted.

You can also use topic tag filtering to remove topics that you know you have
no interest in. See http://www.piclist.com/piclist/listfaq.htm#topics

Q: I'm going on vacation / don't want to be involved in the PICList for a
while. Should I unsubscribe and then re-subscribe when I get back?
A: You can, but this will reset any configuration related to your account.
To preserve your settings, send the NOMAIL command: SET PICList NOMAIL to
.....LISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU as you leave
EraseMElistservspamRemoveMEmitvma.mit.edu?body=SET%20PICList%20NOMAIL> and then send the MAIL command: SET PICList MAIL to EraseMELISTSERVRemoveMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
when you return.
.....listserv.....spammitvma.mit.edu?body=SET%20PICList%20MAIL

Also, consider setting digest mode (above) to continue getting PICList posts
in a more compact form. In either case, thank you for not just turning on an
"Out of Office" auto-reply as these will be sent back to every member of the
list.

Q: I've been on the PICList for a while and suddenly I'm not getting any of
the 50 odd messages per day that normally come in:
A: Sometimes, on the Internet (being the way it is), mail doesn't get
through for a while - it does get through eventually. Situations happen like
your mail being handed off to a machine which then gets disconnected due to
some problem, be it "backhoe fade" or a hardware crash, things usually get
fixed up in a couple days. Usually the traffic all shows up in one HUGE
clump, some hours or days later on, whenever that server gets fixed or
re-booted. It's annoying to us admins, as we have to tell the difference
between not being on the list, being on the list but set to NoMail, or the
above, or other problems that can happen. Sometimes, someone's ISP falls
onto the RBL (Real-time Black hole List - an anti-SPAM list, this happened
to MY ISP recently), or the PICList gets mistakenly ID'ed as a "SPAM" source
by someone's ISP due to all the traffic, and all PICList traffic is filtered
into the "circular binary file." Rarely, you get a fast response back, but
the mail isn't getting through, despite the options the list server's set to
looking like it should - When THAT happens, I suggest people unsub &
re-subscribe, usually that fixes things. Sometimes just setting to digest &
then regular mail a few seconds later can fix it.

The usual test I suggest is to send a "Query PICList" message to the
"PICList List Server Command Input Port" at EraseMELISTSERVspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU, if you
don't get a response back from that address in 5 minutes or less, mail's
dropping through an event horizon someplace between your ISP and the list
server, or filtering is happening, or someone's on the RBL & is being
filtered out. This is a good time to e-mail the list admins at
EraseMEPICList-RequestspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU and let us look into it.

Q: My email address is changing. How can I forward my PICList emails?
A: If you're moving to a new ISP, you can send in the command "CHange
PICList newemailaddress@newISP", to spam_OUTLISTSERVRemoveMEspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU to move your
subscription. If you are no longer able to send email from your old ISP this
will not work, so you will need to contact an administrator at
RemoveMEPICList-RequestEraseMEspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU and ask them to issue:

// CHange PICList oldemailaddress@oldISP ,
newemailaddress@newISP

Note to admins, make sure to use the "//", "," newline syntax because if you
put both emails on one line and the second email address wraps, you will be
issuing a CHange PICList oldemailaddress@oldISP on yourself!

Admins can also "force" add member with the command

add piclist emailaddress user'sname

Q: I want to post to the PICList from my home email account and from work.
When I try to post from an account from which I am not subscribed to the
PICList I get a "rejected posting" message and if I subscribe from both
email accounts, I end up with two copies of every post. What can I do?
A: Subscribe from both accounts then send the NOMAIL command from the email
address where you do not wish to receive (but do wish to send) posts.

Q: I'm having (some other) problem with the PICList
A: [There are] Multiple ways to handle any type of List problems [says Mark]

Send a "Query PICList" message, to the PICList List Server 'Command Input
port' at <RemoveMELISTSERVspamBeGonespamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>, and forward the resulting e-mail you
receive in return, to an Admin. with what's wrong; This gives me more info.
Should get that response quickly, so if no response in a half hour, let me
know that you tried. If this happens, it's a router problem. If you send
such a message & get a delivery error, though, I want to know as I need to
contact MIT or something (unlikely though.)

Unsubscribe from the PICList and subscribe again. Yeah, I know, it's a pain!
But sometimes the only way, seemingly, to fix some things (Methinks L-Soft
has a bug to stomp somewhere in the Options setting/clearing code - for
their credit, they seem to have most of them pretty well squished!) You'll
have to then set your options again, which is a pain. I think (haven't
tested yet) that you can put the options all into one e-mail, too, i.e.
Subscribe on the first line, Set PICList Mail on the second, and even Set
PICList Repro on the third {Now the default}, Set PICList NoACK on the
fourth {Again the default} if you wanted. (I don't mind people asking for
help, either, especially when they cannot unsub an old address due to an ISP
change or ISP name change, it takes me 3 seconds to unsub people, so just
make sure you ask me to unsub the CORRECT ADDRESS, lest I unsub the wrong
one!)

To get at old posts, either jump to http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/ and
read there, or, you can send the command "Index PICList" to the PICList List
Server 'Command Input port' at <RemoveMELISTSERVRemoveMEspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU>, which will get an
index of old PICList messages for you. I don't think the list server keeps
all messages ever posted, but it does keep some. You can then order
individual messages by using "GETPOST PicList Ref#1 Ref#2 ..." etc., where
Ref#1 is a reference number in the Index you just received.
Q: How can I sort email from the PICList to separate it from my other email?
A: Most email clients will allow you to setup a rule for moving PICList
email into another folder. It always comes from EraseMEPICLISTEraseMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU. If
your email program doesn't support that or if you want to keep it all
together but still easily see what emails are from the PICList, you can turn
on a subject sort tag by sending the command SET PICLIST SUBJECTHDR to
.....LISTSERVspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU. This will insert the tag [PICLIST] in the subject
line of every post and remove it from your replies to the list for other
members who have turned this feature off (the default setting). You can
disable it by sending SET PICLIST NOSUBJECTHDR to TakeThisOuTLISTSERVSTOPspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

Q: How is the PICList like a PIC?
A: The PICList list server has 3 "I/O Ports".

Posting messages to the "PICList Mail Distribution port", at
RemoveMEPICListspamspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU, causes that message to be distributed to all 1900+
members of the PICList (Those who don't have NoMail set), who then read your
post and make snide comments if you posted to the wrong address.

Posting messages to the "PICList Administration Port", at
TakeThisOuTPICList-RequestKILLspamspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU, causes that message to be distributed to all
admins of the PICList {Jory, Mark, & James, right now}, who then read your
post & try to help.

Posting messages to the "PICList Command Input Port", at
LISTSERV.....spamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU, causes that message to be treated as a command by
the listserve software, THIS and ONLY THIS is the address to send
Unsubscribe requests, Set NoMail requests, and so forth. The listserve
software ONLY listens here for commands, you can send them to those other
"ports" all you want, and all you'll get is a copy back from the machine,
telling you you've made a mistake.

Same as on a PIC chip, using the wrong port for the wrong purpose may result
in unintended consequences, like annoyed list neighbors or frustrated
admins.

This FAQ maintained by Jory Bell, Mark Willis and James Newton. Last update
20001211085432

See also:

http://www.lpilsley.demon.co.uk/piclist.htm  Nigel Goodwins PICList page
http://www.piclist.com/piclist/projects PICList projects
http://www.piclist.com/microchip/links PICList links
http://www.piclist.com/piclist/codegen PICList code generator


 "We have two ears and one mouth, so we may listen twice as much as we
speak" Epictetus (Whoever he was) Aha! This obviously explains many people's
attitude to Usenet: "We have ten fingers and two eyes, so we may type five
times as much drivel as we actually bother to read." -- Arthur Chance, on
usenet

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