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Hi, I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator. I need it to run on Windows NT. Any suggestions? Thanks, \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) --------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------- | | | Robert Zeff | | Nikola Engineering | | 209-577-4268 x101 | | spam_OUTrzeffTakeThisOuTnikola.com.--- | | WWW: http://Nikola.com | | | ----------------------Oooo.--------------- .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) (To send email, remove the ".---", it's there to foil automated mailers)

At 12:37 PM 2/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi, >I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator. >I need it to run on Windows NT. Any suggestions? I use ClearView/Mathias from Parallax, http://www.parallaxinc.com Andy ================================================================== Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" ==================================================================

---------- > From: Andy Kunz <.....montanaKILLspam@spam@FAST.NET> > To: PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: PIC ICE recommendations? > Date: Sunday, February 23, 1997 1:54 PM > > At 12:37 PM 2/23/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator. > >I need it to run on Windows NT. Any suggestions? > > I use ClearView/Mathias from Parallax, http://www.parallaxinc.com > > Andy > > Are you using it under Windows NT? Thanks, -- Robert

>Are you using it under Windows NT? Heavens, no, Robert, I've only got 32M of ram! It's on 95. But I heard of a guy who's getting an 3.1/NT/MAC/UNIX programmer out soon. I'll see if I can't dig up the URL. Andy ================================================================== Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" ==================================================================

> De: Robert Zeff <.....rzeffKILLspam.....AINET.COM> > Hi, > I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator. > I need it to run on Windows NT. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, I'm using Pro Station 3X from Prochips at http://www.prochips.com Octavio ======================================================== Octavio Nogueira e-mail: EraseMEnogueiraspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmandic.com.br homepage: www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/6902/index.html voice/fax: +55 11 240-6474 "ProPic" The first Production PIC Programmer running in Windows and under US$ 20.00. ========================================================

Sounds just like what I need for compatibility in the new courses at school in scotland. Compatibility is a big issue. Is he likely to support the acorn too? Tim At 09:24 24/02/97 -0500, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>>Are you using it under Windows NT? > >Heavens, no, Robert, I've only got 32M of ram! It's on 95. But I heard of >a guy who's getting an 3.1/NT/MAC/UNIX programmer out soon. I'll see if I >can't dig up the URL. > >Andy > >================================================================== >Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 > Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies > "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" >================================================================== > ------------------------------------------------------------------ If you can read this, it is the end of the message! My web pages are at http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tim.kerby/ My PIC site is at web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tim.kerby/pic/ It needs your projects! ------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you running it under WinNT? Thanks, \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) --------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------- | | | Robert Zeff | | Nikola Engineering | | 209-577-4268 x101 | | rzeffspam_OUTnikola.com | | WWW: http://Nikola.com | | | ----------------------Oooo.--------------- .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ---------- {Quote hidden}> From: Octavio Nogueira <@spam@nogueiraKILLspamMANDIC.COM.BR> > To: KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: PIC ICE recommendations? > Date: Monday, February 24, 1997 5:36 AM > > > De: Robert Zeff <RemoveMErzeffTakeThisOuTAINET.COM> > > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a PIC In Circuit Emulator. > > I need it to run on Windows NT. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > I'm using Pro Station 3X from Prochips at http://www.prochips.com > > Octavio > ======================================================== > Octavio Nogueira > e-mail: spamBeGonenogueiraspamBeGonemandic.com.br > homepage: www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/6902/index.html > voice/fax: +55 11 240-6474 > "ProPic" The first Production PIC Programmer running in > Windows and under US$ 20.00. > ========================================================

At 07:54 AM 2/24/97 -0800, you wrote: >Are you running it under WinNT? >Thanks, Robert, NT is very protective of I/O, and direct access needs to go through a VBX running very close to the center ring, if not actually there. This is what keeps NT from falling over as much as 95 and 3.1. This is also why I highly recommend using a serial programmer rather than a parallel-port one. Timing is another reason. Andy ================================================================== Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" ==================================================================

Yea, I know, as I've dabbled in writing NT's device drivers. I'm not really concerned about a programmer, but an in In Circuit Emulator. Actually, a fast machine wouldn't cause a timing problem. And there's no reason why a serial port would work better than a parallel port except that interrupt driven serial drivers already exist for NT. Thanks, \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) --------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------- | | | Robert Zeff | | Nikola Engineering | | 209-577-4268 x101 | | TakeThisOuTrzeffEraseMEspam_OUTnikola.com | | WWW: http://Nikola.com | | ^^^^^^^^^^ | | Free Spice software | | | ----------------------Oooo.--------------- .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ---------- {Quote hidden}> From: Andy Kunz <RemoveMEmontanaTakeThisOuTFAST.NET> > To: PICLISTEraseME.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: PIC ICE recommendations? > Date: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 6:55 AM > > At 07:54 AM 2/24/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Are you running it under WinNT? > >Thanks, > > Robert, > > NT is very protective of I/O, and direct access needs to go through a VBX > running very close to the center ring, if not actually there. > > This is what keeps NT from falling over as much as 95 and 3.1. > > This is also why I highly recommend using a serial programmer rather than a > parallel-port one. Timing is another reason. > > Andy > ================================================================== > Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 > Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies > "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" > ==================================================================

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Andy Kunz wrote: > At 07:54 AM 2/24/97 -0800, you wrote: > NT is very protective of I/O, and direct access needs to go through a VBX > running very close to the center ring, if not actually there. Allow me to clear thisup. NT does NOT use VxD's. (VBX are custom controls for visual basic (Visual Basic eXtensions) and are beside the point.) VxDs are used by 3.1 and 95. In NT you have to write a Device Driver. Win32 will NOT allow you to have direct access, so you must do it through these methods. This is for security as well as stability. Hope this helps, Alan G. Smith +--------------- | Alan G. Smith | EraseMEagspoboxes.com | http://www.innovatus.com/ags

Thus spake Robert Zeff (RemoveMErzeffEraseMEEraseMEAINET.COM): > concerned about a programmer, but an in In Circuit Emulator. Actually, a > fast machine wouldn't cause a timing problem. And there's no reason why > a serial port would work better than a parallel port except that interrupt > driven serial drivers already exist for NT. Many device programmers (not just PIC programmers) that interface via the parallel port use timing loops (or whatever) on the PC to time the programming pulses. This is not possible on NT, since the pre-emptive multi-tasking can mean that after setting a bit high, your program gets suspended for an indeterminate period of time. Any programmer that will work properly under NT must have some intelligence in the actual programmer hardware, to do the timing. Emulators like the PICMaster should be able to to be made to work, but require a device driver, as mentioned. Unless the software is rewritten to access the device driver directly, it is also necessary to write a virtual device driver that will trap the 16 bit program's attempts to access the real hardware, and translate this into calls to the kernel device driver. I believe Microchip have initiated some moves to do this for the PICMaster, but what the schedule for this is I have no idea. I wouldn't suggest holding your breath (you'll turn blue and pass out :-) Oh, and don't run with scissors, either :-) -- Clyde Smith-Stubbs | HI-TECH Software, | Voice: +61 7 3354 2411 RemoveMEclydespam_OUTKILLspamhtsoft.com | P.O. Box 103, Alderley, | Fax: +61 7 3354 2422 http://www.htsoft.com | QLD, 4051, AUSTRALIA. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Download a FREE beta version of our new ANSI C compiler for the PIC microcontroller! Point your WWW browser at http://www.htsoft.com/

Clyde Smith-Stubbs (RemoveMEclydeTakeThisOuTspamHTSOFT.COM) wrote: >Many device programmers (not just PIC programmers) that interface via the > parallel >port use timing loops (or whatever) on the PC to time the programming pulses. > This >is not possible on NT, since the pre-emptive multi-tasking can mean that >after setting a bit high, your program gets suspended for an indeterminate >period of time. Wrong. There are only minimum timing limits to consider when programming a PIC. If you run a preemptive multitasking system and your programming software get suspended, the only effect this will have is that the whole programming cycle will use a little more time to finish. But if there is some maximum timing limits, you will have to use your own hardware to get exact timing. It can also be solved quite successfully with interrupt-driven timing or in a OS with good real-time abilities (something NT don't have), but this won't work if the timing values is very short (The us range would be hard to handle, and the ns range quite impossible). -- Jon Anders Haugum EraseMEjonahspamspamBeGonesn.no http://www.sn.no/~jonah

At 06:59 PM 2/24/97 +0000, you wrote: >Sounds just like what I need for compatibility in the new courses at school >in scotland. Compatibility is a big issue. Is he likely to support the >acorn too? Tim, What's the "acorn?" Andy ================================================================== Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" ==================================================================