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<x-flowed>"sintax" <spam_OUTsintaxTakeThisOuTis-1.net.au> , relayed via .....sisuserKILLspam@spam@ip.co.za , uploaded a Happy virus to this list. This is an ongoing problem and it is really getting nauseating. People have complained to ip.co.za several times. If they can't get their adolescent users under control, I move to disconnect the sisuserKILLspamip.co.za relay altogether. BS </x-flowed>

Bertel Schmitt wrote: > > "sintax" <.....sintaxKILLspam.....is-1.net.au> , relayed via EraseMEsisuserspam_OUTTakeThisOuTip.co.za , uploaded a > Happy virus to this list. This is an ongoing problem and it is really > getting nauseating. People have complained to ip.co.za several times. If > they can't get their adolescent users under control, I move to disconnect > the sisuserspam_OUTip.co.za relay altogether. If you re-read the header, you will find that the user is a PICLIST member also, and the message was sent to the piclist by him. So it's our problem also. Calling him names won't help, and there is no relay in place, it is simply a dual addressed message by a person who is a member of both lists. You will find hundreds of users in this position. I am sending a copy of this to the sisuser list also. You will find the ip.co.za domain is run by a prominent South African Piclister (well I think he is busy these days, we don't hear much) that runs these lists at his own expense. He also started and runs the atmel list, bascom list for atmels, and many lists for private individuals. He started the atmel list to keep the signal to noise ratio down on this list, as there was no venue for the atmel avr guys in place, so you will find piclisters on many "ip.co.za" lists, I will guarantee it. Has anyone gone to the trouble to inform Sintax that he has the virus in his email program, so as to assist him in removing it? He has asked a legitimate pic question, and will be unaware of the virus problem. How many others have we seen do just his on this list? Don McKenzie @spam@donKILLspamdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Bertel Schmitt wrote: > "sintax" <KILLspamsintaxKILLspamis-1.net.au> , relayed via RemoveMEsisuserTakeThisOuTip.co.za , uploaded a > Happy virus to this list. This is an ongoing problem and it is really > getting nauseating. People have complained to ip.co.za several times. If > they can't get their adolescent users under control, I move to disconnect > the spamBeGonesisuserspamBeGoneip.co.za relay altogether. Or, rather than being angry, you could just be proactive and get back to our collective roots - set up your email on a UNIX system (or variant) - tends to eliminate 99% of the virus crap. -Will

No, I disagree - receiving the occasional copy of Happy is good practice for everyone. Seriously. Happy is ALMOST benign (no trojan is totally so) in that its one task in life is to propagate itself. You only catch it by running a forwarded attachment. This is a VERY stupid thing to do. There are much much worse things that you can contract by doing this. If everyone who sends happy is roundly abused (in the most gentle loving way possible of course) then they MAY get the idea before something really nasty comes along. Similarly, EVERYONE who receives Happy should just delete it and in the process add unconsciously to the mental note that bad things can happen top people who run unverified attachments. Think of it as an excellent training and inoculation exercise. RM PS - I didn't see it appear in my PICList email. _____________________________________________ What can one PIC-LISTer do? Help the hungry for free at - http://www.thehungersite.com/ Have a look - it's interesting. __________________________________________ {Original Message removed}

William M. Smithers wrote: > - set up your email on a UNIX system (or variant) - tends to eliminate > 99% of the virus crap. Now you've got me curious! Which is the 1%? -- Cheers, Paul B.

Hi, where can I found the ATMEL list? I ask bcus in the last time the local provider has serious problems to provide the appropriate amount & quality of PICs. He told me the problem is a minimal ordering amount (I recall 1000 by individual sorts). So I'm afraid it starts a down-running spirale; the more disappointed customers, the less orders, which increases number of disappointed customers etc. Another provider now sells AT89C2051, for $2.75. Can be compared with 16F84 (but no EEPROM), or with 16C622. However, it has: - 2k Flash - a built-in USART - one built-in comparator - 128 byte RAM area - 15 I/O pins - 2 external IT I guess it is time for me to think about its usage in SOME starting project. ----[discussion material follows]---- I think a smallish problem is caused by an otherwise good thing: the great variety of PICs. It may be a fine but if you think e. g. the following: there are 16C620, 621, 622, both for 4 and 20 MHz and in a wide variety of housing, would not be an advantage to keep only one, say 16C622? The economy of scale would decrease the price so that single one would cost as many as the 620 nowadays? (I forget the temperature variety, which also doubles the count of sorts...) On the other hand, as Mchip has announced the new flash types, it lead to extremely high expectations, especially because of competing producers has similar products (Hitachi, Atmel, etc). This lead also to a decreased demand for another PICs. On the other hand, MChip announced also the 18Cxx line. Such way the firm landed in a bottleneck. I do not know whether Mchip is strong enough to cope with this bundle of home-made problems, but I wish him (in the interest all of us) good luck. I would suggest to clean up the production line and decrease the variety. Not to forget that Mchip offers his production line alone (in my opinion SX is not a true alternative due to the limited stack depth), contrary to the '51 line, where one has a choice to select among different producers (Intel, Dallas, Philips, Atmel, Siemens and many others). Here is my $0.02. Imre On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Don McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}> Bertel Schmitt wrote: > > > > "sintax" <TakeThisOuTsintaxEraseMEspam_OUTis-1.net.au> , relayed via RemoveMEsisuserTakeThisOuTip.co.za , uploaded a > > Happy virus to this list. This is an ongoing problem and it is really > > getting nauseating. People have complained to ip.co.za several times. If > > they can't get their adolescent users under control, I move to disconnect > > the sisuserEraseME.....ip.co.za relay altogether. > > If you re-read the header, you will find that the user is a PICLIST > member also, and the message was sent to the piclist by him. So it's our > problem also. Calling him names won't help, and there is no relay in > place, it is simply a dual addressed message by a person who is a member > of both lists. You will find hundreds of users in this position. I am > sending a copy of this to the sisuser list also. > > You will find the ip.co.za domain is run by a prominent South African > Piclister (well I think he is busy these days, we don't hear much) that > runs these lists at his own expense. He also started and runs the atmel > list, bascom list for atmels, and many lists for private individuals. > > He started the atmel list to keep the signal to noise ratio down on this > list, as there was no venue for the atmel avr guys in place, so you will > find piclisters on many "ip.co.za" lists, I will guarantee it. > > Has anyone gone to the trouble to inform Sintax that he has the virus in > his email program, so as to assist him in removing it? > > He has asked a legitimate pic question, and will be unaware of the virus > problem. > How many others have we seen do just his on this list? > > Don McKenzie EraseMEdondontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > > Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html > Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html > Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com > >

----- Original Message ----- From: root <RemoveMErootEraseMEEraseMEPROF.PMMF.HU> To: <RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 1:14 AM Subject: Re: ~!@#$% Happy again (also [OT] Mchip f__k up) > Hi, > where can I found the ATMEL list? RemoveMEatmelTakeThisOuTspampic.co.za

root wrote: > > Hi, > where can I found the ATMEL list? Looks like this: - Send message to EraseMEatmel-requestspamspamBeGonepic.co.za with the word - JOIN - in the message body Use LEAVE instead of JOIN to remove yourself from the list. Send all commands to the list server from the same Email account. However I attempted to join a few days ago without success. Didn't get a message returned, so I don't know if there is a problem or not. Just tried again now, in fact this message was a reminder. Don McKenzie RemoveMEdonKILLspamdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com

There are two other AVR-related lists that I know of. The AVR egroups list can be found at http://www.egroups.com/list/avr/ You don't have to read it on the website, you can configure it to come to your inbox. Also, for discussions of the AVR port of GCC and the GNU Atmel assembler AVA, there's the avr gcc list; info can be found at: http://medo.fov.uni-mb.si/mapp/maillist.html Both lists are lightly active, perhaps two to ten messages in a day; responsiveness and S/N are quite high. AVA and the GCC port to AVR are both awesome, BTW. I've been tinkering with GCC on an AT90S8535, and it works very well. --Bob On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 05:34:58PM +1000, Don McKenzie wrote: > root wrote: > > > > Hi, > > where can I found the ATMEL list? > > Looks like this: > > - Send message to atmel-requestSTOPspamspam_OUTpic.co.za with the word > - JOIN > - in the message body ... -- ============================================================ Bob Drzyzgula It's not a problem spamBeGonebobSTOPspamEraseMEdrzyzgula.org until something bad happens ============================================================ http://www.drzyzgula.org/bob/electronics/ ============================================================

I totally agree with Russell, reader (and buyer) beware. Education and experience are the only real defense against virus propagation. James Newton, webmaster http://get.to/techref (hint: you can add your own private info to the techref) KILLspamjamesnewtonspamBeGonegeocities.com 1-619-652-0593 phone {Original Message removed}

<BLOCKQUOTE AUTHOR="root">Not to forget that Mchip offers his production line alone (in my opinion SX is not a true alternative due to the limited stack depth)</BLOCKQUOTE> How do you figure the SX (I assume you mean the Scenix SX) has a more limited stack depth than the PIC? All the Sx's have a stack depth of 8 and I don't remember seeing any PIC's with a deeper stack. Please tell me where I am going wrong on this. James Newton, webmaster http://get.to/techref (hint: you can add your own private info to the techref) EraseMEjamesnewtonEraseMEgeocities.com 1-619-652-0593 phoneÊ

Hi, you are right, my mistake (I have intermixed somehow with 16C5x series). It is pricy, however, at least at us. Regards, Imre On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, James Newton wrote: {Quote hidden}> <BLOCKQUOTE AUTHOR="root">Not to forget that Mchip offers his production > line alone (in my opinion > SX is not a true alternative due to the limited stack depth)</BLOCKQUOTE> > > How do you figure the SX (I assume you mean the Scenix SX) has a more > limited stack depth than the PIC? > All the Sx's have a stack depth of 8 and I don't remember seeing any PIC's > with a deeper stack. Please tell me where I am going wrong on this. > > > James Newton, webmaster http://get.to/techref > (hint: you can add your own private info to the techref) > @spam@jamesnewton@spam@spam_OUTgeocities.com > 1-619-652-0593 phoneÊ > >