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'suggestion as to Re: UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\08\20@085025 by Roger Books

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Is there some way to set up a filter so everyone in the world doesn't
get messages from the list with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line?  This
seems to me to be the one biggest source of noise from the list.  Maybe
a filter with UNSUBSCRIBE cut out to those on the list and an automated
response that told the sender how to unsubscribe?

I don't know how much control the users have on MIT's list server, so
if this is impossible just ignore it.

Roger

1997\08\20@143114 by Ian Cameron

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> Is there some way to set up a filter so everyone in the world doesn't
> get messages from the list with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line?  This
> seems to me to be the one biggest source of noise from the list.  Maybe
> a filter with UNSUBSCRIBE cut out to those on the list and an automated
> response that told the sender how to unsubscribe?
>
> I don't know how much control the users have on MIT's list server, so
> if this is impossible just ignore it.

It should be possible to do something like this using procmail as a
front end on the list server address, using it to forward all
legitimate mail on to the list, and do something else with subscribe
and unsubscribe requests.

It should be possible to configure procmail in such a way that you
could:

1 Delete subscribe and unsubscribe requests.
2 Reply to the sender with a help text on subscribing/unsubscribing.
3 Silently do what the sender originally intended.

If you are getting really tired of these messages, you could filter
mail locally using procmail, or a reasonable Windoze mailer which
allows mail filtering.

I use procmail to delete junk mail here, and it works reasonably
well.  At the moment I do not delete the subscribe/unsubscribe
requests but maybe I will soon !

What I find incredible is that after a flood of messages on the topic
of how to deal with these requests which get sent to the list, three
messages have subsequently appeared on the list requesting
unsubscription !  No wonder these people are unsubscribing, they
obviously don't read the list, either that or they're brain dead :-)

Cheers, Ian.

1997\08\20@183421 by Martin R. Green

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What's equally as strange, this list is a standard listserver.  Every list
I've ever been on uses the same method to unsubscribe, it's not like
PICLIST uses non-standard commands.  Also, as is the case on every list
I've ever subscribed to, the first thing you get when you subscribe is
instructions for, among other things, unsubscribing!  What do people do
with these things?

Sigh...

Oh well.

Martin R. Green
spam_OUTelimarTakeThisOuTspambigfoot.com

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From:   Ian Cameron[SMTP:.....I.A.CameronKILLspamspam@spam@OPEN.AC.UK]
Sent:   Wednesday, August 20, 1997 3:29 PM
To:     PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: suggestion as to Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

> Is there some way to set up a filter so everyone in the world doesn't
> get messages from the list with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line?  This
> seems to me to be the one biggest source of noise from the list.  Maybe
> a filter with UNSUBSCRIBE cut out to those on the list and an automated
> response that told the sender how to unsubscribe?
>
> I don't know how much control the users have on MIT's list server, so
> if this is impossible just ignore it.


It should be possible to do something like this using procmail as a
front end on the list server address, using it to forward all
legitimate mail on to the list, and do something else with subscribe
and unsubscribe requests.

It should be possible to configure procmail in such a way that you
could:

1 Delete subscribe and unsubscribe requests.
2 Reply to the sender with a help text on subscribing/unsubscribing.
3 Silently do what the sender originally intended.

If you are getting really tired of these messages, you could filter
mail locally using procmail, or a reasonable Windoze mailer which
allows mail filtering.

I use procmail to delete junk mail here, and it works reasonably
well.  At the moment I do not delete the subscribe/unsubscribe
requests but maybe I will soon !

What I find incredible is that after a flood of messages on the topic
of how to deal with these requests which get sent to the list, three
messages have subsequently appeared on the list requesting
unsubscription !  No wonder these people are unsubscribing, they
obviously don't read the list, either that or they're brain dead :-)

Cheers, Ian.

1997\08\20@185339 by William Chops Westfield

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   What's equally as strange, this list is a standard listserver.  Every list
   I've ever been on uses the same method to unsubscribe.

Newbie!

   it's not like PICLIST uses non-standard commands.

In fact, the last message I tried to send about this topic WAS rejected
by the list server, which said "this looks like a listserver command, which
should be sent to the listserver."  So it looks to ME like the filter you're
all asking for already exists (and yet we still get messages.  Hmm.)

Matter of fact, the lists I've belonged to that HAVE put unsubscribe
instructions at the bottom of every message STILL get "unsubscribe"
messages sent to the list members.  (fools being so inventive.)

So just shut up already!  If it annoys you, feel free to forge an
unsubscribe message for anyone who asks, so that they will be unsubscribed
before they reach the "I know, I'll repeat the text 10000 times and threaten
to sue" stage.

BillW

1997\08\21@125106 by Martin R. Green

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Bill, my comments were not meant to be hostile, I'm surprised you responded
that way.  Anyway, I like your suggestion re forging an unsubscribe for the
uninformed (of course, only if they supply their return address).  It's
easy to do and does stop them from complaining in the future.  The only
problem of course is that they'll never know how to REALLY unsubscribe from
a list.


CIAO - Martin R. Green
.....elimarKILLspamspam.....bigfoot.com

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From:   William Chops Westfield[SMTP:EraseMEbillwspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTCISCO.COM]
Sent:   Wednesday, August 20, 1997 6:52 PM
To:     PICLISTspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu
Subject:        Re: suggestion as to Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

   What's equally as strange, this list is a standard listserver.  Every
list
   I've ever been on uses the same method to unsubscribe.

Newbie!

   it's not like PICLIST uses non-standard commands.

In fact, the last message I tried to send about this topic WAS rejected
by the list server, which said "this looks like a listserver command, which
should be sent to the listserver."  So it looks to ME like the filter
you're
all asking for already exists (and yet we still get messages.  Hmm.)

Matter of fact, the lists I've belonged to that HAVE put unsubscribe
instructions at the bottom of every message STILL get "unsubscribe"
messages sent to the list members.  (fools being so inventive.)

So just shut up already!  If it annoys you, feel free to forge an
unsubscribe message for anyone who asks, so that they will be unsubscribed
before they reach the "I know, I'll repeat the text 10000 times and
threaten
to sue" stage.

BillW

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