Post by thread:response by Abu Kareem to Statement by Seven Organ

Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem was-salaat was-salaam ala Rasulillah wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam AsSalamu alaykum wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatu It is regretful but revealing that AMPCC, AMA[alliance], AMC, CAIR, MPAC,ICNA,ISNA,and MSA would issue a statement condemning Shaykh Hisham Kabbani's speech to the state department. I pray this be a hoax and that these organizations declare themselves innocent of this slanderous statement. Notice that not one of Shaykh Hisham's statements were refuted, rather these organizations tried to quote out of context to rally Muslims away from a voice of moderation. The condemnation is quoted in full: >MAJOR MUSLIM ORGANIZATIONS CONDEMN KABBANI'S STATEMENTS >American Muslim leaders demand retraction and apology > >It is with heavy hearts that we, the undersigned national American >Muslim organizations, feel compelled to defend our community and its >representatives from false and defamatory allegations. Notice in what follows no statement is shown to be false or defamatory to anyone, except that the statements criticize extremism. As for the allegation that the Muslim community needs a defense against Shaykh Hisham, then this is a clearly misleading statement that falsely implies that Shaykh Hisham accused the Muslim community as a whole of extremism. His own words from the speech refute that: "This is what I want to say to you, to present to you from within the Muslim community. We want to tell you that the Muslim community as a whole is innocent from whatever extremism and extremist ideology is being spread around the world." >In a January 7, 1999, presentation to a State Department Open Forum, Mr. >Hisham Kabbani, Chairman of the self-styled "Islamic Supreme Council of >America," made a number of unsubstantiated allegations that could have a >profoundly negative impact on ordinary American Muslims. Another attempt to rally "ordinary" Muslims against Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, again without substantiation. The derogatory tone of the authors and lack of respect for a Muslim Shaykh is obvious. >In the State Department forum, Mr. Kabbani: > >1) Alleged that the "ideology of extremism has been spread to eighty >percent of the [American] Muslim population." Having also stated that >"extremists" gained control of American mosques through elections, Mr. >Kabbani further strengthens the impression that the Muslim community as >a whole is extremist. A statement purposely taken out of context, here is some context: "...Extremism has been spread to 80 per cent of the Muslim population. Not all of them agree with it..." Therefore the word "spread" is clearly indicated to mean that the extremist ideology has reached 80% of Muslims and not that 80% of Muslims accepted it and became extremist. This is a Shame on the leaders of the organizations below that they have to resort to such quoting out of context to slander a Muslim Shaykh. Several lines later Shaykh Hisham said to confirm his view: "...the Muslim community as a whole is innocent from whatever extremism and extremist ideology is being spread around the world." As for the second allegation, it comes from these words regarding extremists: "They hijacked the mike, or they were elected because they are good speakers, but they give a wrong idea about Islam." Note that Shaykh Hisham differentiates extremists as follows: "There are two kinds of extremism: there is the extremism ideology and there is the extremist militant movement." The former type is the one Shaykh Hisham points to as having "hijacked the mike". He explains the rise of Wahhabism, and its attempted reformation of Islam. Anyone who has been to many Islamic centers in the US knows that Wahhabi ideologies are widely spread among leaders of many Mosques, preventing Dhikr, cursing Tasawwuf, preventing Mawlid et cetra. Notice that overseas organizations that started along similar Wahhabi trends are now bombing Muslims in the Caucaus, Sudan and many other places in the name of purifying Islam from what they view as 'Kufr, Bid'a and Shirk', but in reality it is traditional Islam they attack. >2) Claimed that "there are many, many Muslim organizations, that they >speak on behalf of the Muslim community, but in reality they are not >moderate, but they are extremist...These people are very well supported, >very well affiliated with outside regimes, that they have been sponsored >by billions of dollars to be active within the United States..." These are actually parts of two different paragraphs joined together only in this letter by three dots "...". They are actually paragraphs apart. Here is more context: "...there are many Muslim organizations that claim to speak on behalf of the Muslim community but that in reality are not moderate, but extremist. They hijacked the mike, or they were elected because they are good speakers, but they give a wrong idea about Islam." This is known to those with experience in Islamic centers. Again Shaykh Hisham confirms what the authors of this letter try to hide, that he views the Muslim community as moderate. Shame on those who slander Muslim Shaykhs with their lies. The second half of that (mis)quoted above comes in a different part of the speech: "You are not hearing the authentic voice of Muslims, of moderate Muslims, but you are hearing the extremist voice of Muslims. That's why they are getting a wrong idea, because the extremists are very well supported, are very well affiliated with outside regimes that have sponsored them with billions of dollars to be active in the United States." Again Shaykh Hisham confirms that Muslims in general are moderate, he states a well know fact that outside regimes are supporting extremist[ideological] views in the US. Anyone who has been involved in Islamic centers knows how certain countries frequently will offer to give free books with Wahhabi ideology, and gradually take over or have those who support their views take over Islamic centers and throw out authentic Muslims who speak the truth. An example is the preventers of Mawlid, celebration of the birthday of the Prophet, Salla Allahu alayhi wa Sallam, which is practiced in nearly every Islamic country, how many a Masjid today following extremist leadership has banned it and ridiculed its approval by the overwhelming majority of Islamic scholars. >3) Claiming that the main national Muslim student organization is "being >run mostly by extremist ideology," Mr. Kabbani raised the bizarre >specter that the Bin Laden organization was "able to buy more than 20 >atomic weapons, atomic nuclear heads, from some Mafias in the ex-Soviet >Union...and now they are hiring thousands of scientists from the >ex-Soviet in order to make these atomic warheads into smaller >partitions, smaller particles, in order to be, like small chips to be >put in any suit case, even in a handbag, and be shipped anyplace, >anywhere in the world...If these small nuclear atomic warheads reach >these (U.S.) universities, you don't know, these students, what they are >going to do, because their way of thinking is brainwashed and limited." Shaykh Hisham defined extremism as: "Extremism in Islam, or in religion, is when you use religion to label intolerance, to turn from religion and take ideas that you can extract for yourself, or deduce for yourself, and use to make a militant movement and disturb the peace in your country or around the world." He clarified that extremism may be ideological or militant. Therefore extremist ideology in Islam involves intolerence and self deduced Islamic rulings, and both of these have been clearly seen from the leadership of some Muslim student oraganizations, some who frankly say they do not care what the scholars of Islam say, rather they will deduce their own understandings of Quran and Sunnah. Or they demonstrate intolence to authentic Islam, as Dhikr, Tasbih, Tasawwuf et cetra, calling out "Bid'a", "Shirk", "Kufr". As to Bin Laden and his plans, then the authors of this letter of condemnation are speaking in ignorance of the truth, and throwing serious allegations on issues they do not have knowledge of simply because they sound unlikely to them. Why would not a well connected multi-millionare as Bin Laden be able to procure a few of the 22,000 Russian nuclear warheads and hire for his cause Russian scientists for a steep price, when the Russians are in very hard economic times. If he were to find someone to do a devious deed for him in this country, and he has stated his intention to get American blood, then is it so absurd to believe he would recruit a disgruntled misguided student who has been brainwashed into thinking he must get even with America. >Adding insult to injury, Mr. Kabbani even promoted and generalized an >allegation that Muslim women in Europe "who are during the day, covered >from top to bottom and, during the night, have dates. They are dating >high officials in many countries around the world to take the >information from them and to give it to the extremists." Another lie and quotation out of context. It is truly amazing that all these Muslim organizations who signed below, if this is truly their signature, would stoop this low to slander a Muslim Shaykh. The lie: "promoted and generalized an allegation that Muslim women in Europe..." Here is the proper quote in context from Shaykh Hisham's speech after explaining how extremist organizations are not following Islam as is well known many sell drugs to get cash for weapons and supplies, he adds the following: "Recently they found in London, between London and France and all that area in Western Europe, that there is a big network of women that one of the very famous Arabic newspapers - either al Wasat or al Watat al Arabi - revealed in a big report two or three months ago. They found a network run by Muslim women who, during the day, are covered from top to bottom and, during the night, have dates. They are dating high officials in many countries around the world to take the information from them and to give it to the extremists. We have to ask ourselves: is this Islamic or un-Islamic?" Note this is NOT generalized to Muslim women, and again the point which the authors of this condemnation try to hide is that Sahykh Hisham is defending Muslims from false Islam, not as they falsely claim attacking Muslims. >Through outrageous statements such as these, Mr. Kabbani has put the >entire American Muslim community under unjustified suspicion. In effect, >Mr. Kabbani is telling government officials that the majority of American >Muslims pose a danger to our society. Notice that not a single statement quoted above justified the false conclusion of the authors. The letter builds itself up then ends up being a slanderous baseless shameful gang attack on a Muslim Shaykh who has worked hard to promote Islamic unity and understanding. >Additionally, Islamophobic individuals and groups may use these >statements as an excuse to commit hate crimes against Muslims of the >kind witnessed following the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building >in Oklahoma City when Muslim-bashers, Steven Emerson and others, >offered similarly unsubstantiated claims that Muslims were behind the >attack. The authors seemed to have missed the whole point of Shaykh Hisham's speech. There is no justification for terrorism. There are no excuses for hate crimes. Muslims will not stand behind those who commit crimes in the name of Islam. Islam is not extremist, a few Muslims may be, the Muslim community is innocent of their deeds. Furthermore the worst "Muslim-bashers" are those who commit terrorism and say it is Islam and that they are good Muslims. Islam is more harmed by those among us that "excuse" extremism, than by those outside us who may falsely allege that islam is itself extreme. In the latter case many people are wise enough not to take a non-Muslims view about Islam as being very accurate. >We therefore ask Mr. Kabbani to promptly and publicly retract his >statements, to apologize to the American Muslim community, and to exert >his utmost effort to undo the damage these statements have done. It seems that the apology should be from the undersigned to Shaykh Hisham for falsely representing his speech as is clear above and to the Muslim Community for lying to them. >The issue is not that of a mere difference of opinion within an American >religious community, but involves the irresponsible act of providing >false information to government officials. This false information can >jeopardize the safety and well being of our community and hurt America >itself by damaging its values of inclusiveness, fairness, and liberty. The undersigned seem to commend America for its values of "inclusiveness, fairness, and liberty". Yet some affiliated with them have notoriously banned and slandered Shaykh Hisham Kabbani. Shaykh Hisham held the Islamic Unity Conference and invited all, yet a concerted effort by hypocrites was to prevent people from attending a conference where Terrorism was condemned and Islam was declared innocent of Terrorism. Those hypocrites showed no inclusiveness, no fairness and no liberty. They spread false rumors about Shaykh Hisham throughout Mosques and on the internet. They tried their best as the undersigned do today to slander and destroy one who is working to clear the name of Islam and the majority of Muslims. The undersigned never stood up to defend the honor of a Shaykh of Islam, yet when Extremism is condemned they quickly organize to condemn the one who has condemned it. >Signatories (in alphabetical order): > >American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC) >[American Muslim Alliance (AMA), American Muslim Council (AMC), Council >on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) & Muslim Public Affairs Council >(MPAC)] >Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) >Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) >Muslim Students Association of USA & Canada (MSA) May Allah guide us and Forgive us. Allahumma salli wa sallim wa barik 'ala Sayyidina Muhammad wa 'ala Alihi wa Sahbihi wa al-Tabi'ina ila yawm al-din WasSalamu alaykum, Abu Kareem ___________________________________________ An official statement will follow shortly

Dear brothers and sisters The crux of the matter is that, an UN-educated person, especially one who has little or no in depth understanding of world politics and its intricacies, one who cannot fathom the harm and dangers of his random and non-coherent utterings could bring upon the ummmah should keep his mouth tightly shut. Moreover, he represents a handful of people and has self engrandoised his organization by such ominous sounding name as SUPREME COUNCIL, which was not elected by the ummah at large to represent them. This is not a legitimate organization to speak on behalf of Muslims, full stop. So, we must ask most humbly that Mr Karbani desists from any public statements concerning Muslims, as he has no right what so ever to speak on behalf of us - none what so ever. By the way, Mr Mateen Siddiqui: please remove my name from your spam list. Mateen Siddiqui wrote: {Quote hidden}> Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem was-salaat > was-salaam ala Rasulillah wa ala alihi wa > sahbihi wa sallam > > AsSalamu alaykum wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatu > > It is regretful but revealing that AMPCC, > AMA[alliance], AMC, CAIR, > MPAC,ICNA,ISNA,and MSA would issue a > statement condemning Shaykh > Hisham Kabbani's speech to the state > department. I pray this be > a hoax and that these organizations declare > themselves innocent > of this slanderous statement. > > Notice that not one of Shaykh Hisham's > statements were refuted, > rather these organizations tried to quote out > of context to rally > Muslims away from a voice of moderation. The > condemnation is quoted > in full: > > >MAJOR MUSLIM ORGANIZATIONS CONDEMN KABBANI'S > STATEMENTS > >American Muslim leaders demand retraction > and apology > > > >It is with heavy hearts that we, the > undersigned national American > >Muslim organizations, feel compelled to > defend our community and its > >representatives from false and defamatory > allegations. > > Notice in what follows no statement is shown > to be false or defamatory > to anyone, except that the statements > criticize extremism. > > As for the allegation that the Muslim > community needs a defense > against Shaykh Hisham, then this is a clearly > misleading statement > that falsely implies that Shaykh Hisham > accused the Muslim community > as a whole of extremism. His own words from > the speech refute that: > > "This is what I want to say to you, to > present to you from within > the Muslim community. We want to tell you > that the Muslim community > as a whole is innocent from whatever > extremism and extremist ideology > is being spread around the world." > > >In a January 7, 1999, presentation to a > State Department Open Forum, Mr. > >Hisham Kabbani, Chairman of the self-styled > "Islamic Supreme Council of > >America," made a number of unsubstantiated > allegations that could have a > >profoundly negative impact on ordinary > American Muslims. > > Another attempt to rally "ordinary" Muslims > against Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, > again without substantiation. The derogatory > tone of the authors and > lack of respect for a Muslim Shaykh is > obvious. > > >In the State Department forum, Mr. Kabbani: > > > >1) Alleged that the "ideology of extremism > has been spread to eighty > >percent of the [American] Muslim > population." Having also stated that > >"extremists" gained control of American > mosques through elections, Mr. > >Kabbani further strengthens the impression > that the Muslim community as > >a whole is extremist. > > A statement purposely taken out of context, > here is some context: > > "...Extremism has been spread to 80 per cent > of the Muslim > population. Not all of them agree with > it..." > > Therefore the word "spread" is clearly > indicated to mean that the > extremist ideology has reached 80% of Muslims > and not that 80% of > Muslims accepted it and became extremist. > This is a Shame on the > leaders of the organizations below that they > have to resort to such > quoting out of context to slander a Muslim > Shaykh. Several lines > later Shaykh Hisham said to confirm his view: > > "...the Muslim community as a whole is > innocent from whatever > extremism and extremist ideology is being > spread around the world." > > As for the second allegation, it comes from > these words regarding > extremists: > > "They hijacked the mike, or they were elected > because they are > good speakers, but they give a wrong idea > about Islam." > > Note that Shaykh Hisham differentiates > extremists as follows: > > "There are two kinds of extremism: there is > the extremism ideology > and there is the extremist militant > movement." > > The former type is the one Shaykh Hisham > points to as having > "hijacked the mike". He explains the rise of > Wahhabism, and > its attempted reformation of Islam. > > Anyone who has been to many Islamic centers > in the US knows that > Wahhabi ideologies are widely spread among > leaders of many Mosques, > preventing Dhikr, cursing Tasawwuf, > preventing Mawlid et cetra. Notice > that overseas organizations that started > along similar Wahhabi trends > are now bombing Muslims in the Caucaus, Sudan > and many other places > in the name of purifying Islam from what they > view as 'Kufr, Bid'a and > Shirk', but in reality it is traditional > Islam they attack. > > >2) Claimed that "there are many, many Muslim > organizations, that they > >speak on behalf of the Muslim community, but > in reality they are not > >moderate, but they are extremist...These > people are very well supported, > >very well affiliated with outside regimes, > that they have been sponsored > >by billions of dollars to be active within > the United States..." > > These are actually parts of two different > paragraphs joined together > only in this letter by three dots "...". They > are actually paragraphs > apart. Here is more context: > > "...there are many Muslim organizations that > claim to speak on > behalf of the Muslim community but that in > reality are not moderate, > but extremist. They hijacked the mike, or > they were elected because > they are good speakers, but they give a > wrong idea about Islam." > > This is known to those with experience in > Islamic centers. Again > Shaykh Hisham confirms what the authors of > this letter try to hide, > that he views the Muslim community as > moderate. Shame on those > who slander Muslim Shaykhs with their lies. > The second half of that > (mis)quoted above comes in a different part > of the speech: > > "You are not hearing the authentic voice of > Muslims, of moderate Muslims, > but you are hearing the extremist voice of > Muslims. That's why they are > getting a wrong idea, because the extremists > are very well supported, > are very well affiliated with outside > regimes that have sponsored them > with billions of dollars to be active in the > United States." > > Again Shaykh Hisham confirms that Muslims in > general are moderate, > he states a well know fact that outside > regimes are supporting > extremist[ideological] views in the US. > Anyone who has been involved > in Islamic centers knows how certain > countries frequently will offer > to give free books with Wahhabi ideology, and > gradually take over or > have those who support their views take over > Islamic centers and > throw out authentic Muslims who speak the > truth. An example is the > preventers of Mawlid, celebration of the > birthday of the Prophet, > Salla Allahu alayhi wa Sallam, which is > practiced in nearly every > Islamic country, how many a Masjid today > following extremist leadership > has banned it and ridiculed its approval by > the overwhelming majority > of Islamic scholars. > > >3) Claiming that the main national Muslim > student organization is "being > >run mostly by extremist ideology," Mr. > Kabbani raised the bizarre > >specter that the Bin Laden organization was > "able to buy more than 20 > >atomic weapons, atomic nuclear heads, from > some Mafias in the ex-Soviet > >Union...and now they are hiring thousands of > scientists from the > >ex-Soviet in order to make these atomic > warheads into smaller > >partitions, smaller particles, in order to > be, like small chips to be > >put in any suit case, even in a handbag, and > be shipped anyplace, > >anywhere in the world...If these small > nuclear atomic warheads reach > >these (U.S.) universities, you don't know, > these students, what they are > >going to do, because their way of thinking > is brainwashed and limited." > > Shaykh Hisham defined extremism as: > > "Extremism in Islam, or in religion, is when > you use religion to > label intolerance, to turn from religion and > take ideas that you > can extract for yourself, or deduce for > yourself, and use to make > a militant movement and disturb the peace in > your country or around > the world." > > He clarified that extremism may be > ideological or militant. Therefore > extremist ideology in Islam involves > intolerence and self deduced > Islamic rulings, and both of these have been > clearly seen from the > leadership of some Muslim student > oraganizations, some who frankly > say they do not care what the scholars of > Islam say, rather they > will deduce their own understandings of Quran > and Sunnah. Or they > demonstrate intolence to authentic Islam, as > Dhikr, Tasbih, Tasawwuf > et cetra, calling out "Bid'a", "Shirk", > "Kufr". > > As to Bin Laden and his plans, then the > authors of this letter > of condemnation are speaking in ignorance of > the truth, and > throwing serious allegations on issues they > do not have knowledge > of simply because they sound unlikely to > them. Why would not a > well connected multi-millionare as Bin Laden > be able to procure > a few of the 22,000 Russian nuclear warheads > and hire for his > cause Russian scientists for a steep price, > when the Russians > are in very hard economic times. If he were > to find someone to > do a devious deed for him in this country, > and he has stated his > intention to get American blood, then is it > so absurd to believe > he would recruit a disgruntled misguided > student who has been > brainwashed into thinking he must get even > with America. > > >Adding insult to injury, Mr. Kabbani even > promoted and generalized an > >allegation that Muslim women in Europe "who > are during the day, covered > >from top to bottom and, during the night, > have dates. They are dating > >high officials in many countries around the > world to take the > >information from them and to give it to the > extremists." > > Another lie and quotation out of context. It > is truly amazing > that all these Muslim organizations who > signed below, if this is > truly their signature, would stoop this low > to slander a Muslim > Shaykh. > > The lie: > > "promoted and generalized an allegation that > Muslim women in > Europe..." > > Here is the proper quote in context from > Shaykh Hisham's speech > after explaining how extremist organizations > are not following > Islam as is well known many sell drugs to get > cash for weapons > and supplies, he adds the following: > > "Recently they found in London, between > London and France and all > that area in Western Europe, that there is a > big network of women > that one of the very famous Arabic > newspapers - either al Wasat > or al Watat al Arabi - revealed in a big > report two or three months > ago. They found a network run by Muslim > women who, during the day, > are covered from top to bottom and, during > the night, have dates. > They are dating high officials in many > countries around the world to > take the information from them and to give > it to the extremists. We > have to ask ourselves: is this Islamic or > un-Islamic?" > > Note this is NOT generalized to Muslim women, > and again the point > which the authors of this condemnation try to > hide is that Sahykh > Hisham is defending Muslims from false Islam, > not as they falsely > claim attacking Muslims. > > >Through outrageous statements such as these, > Mr. Kabbani has put the > >entire American Muslim community under > unjustified suspicion. In effect, > >Mr. Kabbani is telling government officials > that the majority of American > >Muslims pose a danger to our society. > > Notice that not a single statement quoted > above justified the false > conclusion of the authors. The letter builds > itself up then ends up > being a slanderous baseless shameful gang > attack on a Muslim Shaykh > who has worked hard to promote Islamic unity > and understanding. > > >Additionally, Islamophobic individuals and > groups may use these > >statements as an excuse to commit hate > crimes against Muslims of the > >kind witnessed following the bombing of the > Murrah Federal Building > >in Oklahoma City when Muslim-bashers, Steven > Emerson and others, > >offered similarly unsubstantiated claims > that Muslims were behind the > >attack. > > The authors seemed to have missed the whole > point of Shaykh Hisham's > speech. There is no justification for > terrorism. There are no excuses > for hate crimes. Muslims will not stand > behind those who commit crimes > in the name of Islam. Islam is not extremist, > a few Muslims may be, > the Muslim community is innocent of their > deeds. > > Furthermore the worst "Muslim-bashers" are > those who commit terrorism > and say it is Islam and that they are good > Muslims. Islam is more > harmed by those among us that "excuse" > extremism, than by those > outside us who may falsely allege that islam > is itself extreme. > In the latter case many people are wise > enough not to take a > non-Muslims view about Islam as being very > accurate. > > >We therefore ask Mr. Kabbani to promptly and > publicly retract his > >statements, to apologize to the American > Muslim community, and to exert > >his utmost effort to undo the damage these > statements have done. > > It seems that the apology should be from the > undersigned to > Shaykh Hisham for falsely representing his > speech as is clear > above and to the Muslim Community for lying > to them. > > >The issue is not that of a mere difference > of opinion within an American > >religious community, but involves the > irresponsible act of providing > >false information to government officials. > This false information can > >jeopardize the safety and well being of our > community and hurt America > >itself by damaging its values of > inclusiveness, fairness, and liberty. > > The undersigned seem to commend America for > its values of > "inclusiveness, fairness, and liberty". Yet > some affiliated > with them have notoriously banned and > slandered Shaykh Hisham > Kabbani. Shaykh Hisham held the Islamic Unity > Conference and > invited all, yet a concerted effort by > hypocrites was to prevent > people from attending a conference where > Terrorism was condemned > and Islam was declared innocent of Terrorism. > Those hypocrites > showed no inclusiveness, no fairness and no > liberty. They spread > false rumors about Shaykh Hisham throughout > Mosques and on > the internet. They tried their best as the > undersigned do today > to slander and destroy one who is working to > clear the name of Islam > and the majority of Muslims. The undersigned > never stood up to > defend the honor of a Shaykh of Islam, yet > when Extremism is > condemned they quickly organize to condemn > the one who has > condemned it. > > >Signatories (in alphabetical order): > > > >American Muslim Political Coordination > Council (AMPCC) > >[American Muslim Alliance (AMA), American > Muslim Council (AMC), Council > >on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) & > Muslim Public Affairs Council > >(MPAC)] > >Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) > >Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) > >Muslim Students Association of USA & Canada > (MSA) > > May Allah guide us and Forgive us. > > Allahumma salli wa sallim wa barik 'ala > Sayyidina Muhammad > wa 'ala Alihi wa Sahbihi wa al-Tabi'ina ila > yawm al-din > > WasSalamu alaykum, > > Abu Kareem > > ___________________________________________ > An official statement will follow shortly

part 0 19454 bytes Mateen Siddiqui wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem was-salaat was-salaam ala Rasulillah wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam AsSalamu alaykum wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatu It is regretful but revealing that AMPCC, AMA[alliance], AMC, CAIR, MPAC,ICNA,ISNA,and MSA would issue a statement condemning Shaykh Hisham Kabbani's speech to the state department. I pray this be a hoax and that these organizations declare themselves innocent of this slanderous statement. Notice that not one of Shaykh Hisham's statements were refuted, rather these organizations tried to quote out of context to rally Muslims away from a voice of moderation. The condemnation is quoted in full: >MAJOR MUSLIM ORGANIZATIONS CONDEMN KABBANI'S STATEMENTS >American Muslim leaders demand retraction and apology > >It is with heavy hearts that we, the undersigned national American >Muslim organizations, feel compelled to defend our community and its >representatives from false and defamatory allegations. Notice in what follows no statement is shown to be false or defamatory to anyone, except that the statements criticize extremism. As for the allegation that the Muslim community needs a defense against Shaykh Hisham, then this is a clearly misleading statement that falsely implies that Shaykh Hisham accused the Muslim community as a whole of extremism. His own words from the speech refute that:  "This is what I want to say to you, to present to you from within   the Muslim community. We want to tell you that the Muslim community   as a whole is innocent from whatever extremism and extremist ideology   is being spread around the world." >In a January 7, 1999, presentation to a State Department Open Forum, Mr. >Hisham Kabbani, Chairman of the self-styled "Islamic Supreme Council of >America," made a number of unsubstantiated allegations that could have a >profoundly negative impact on ordinary American Muslims. Another attempt to rally "ordinary" Muslims against Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, again without substantiation. The derogatory tone of the authors and lack of respect for a Muslim Shaykh is obvious. >In the State Department forum, Mr. Kabbani: > >1) Alleged that the "ideology of extremism has been spread to eighty >percent of the [American] Muslim population." Having also stated that >"extremists" gained control of American mosques through elections, Mr. >Kabbani further strengthens the impression that the Muslim community as >a whole is extremist. A statement purposely taken out of context, here is some context: "...Extremism has been spread to 80 per cent of the Muslim  population. Not all of them agree with it..." Therefore the word "spread" is clearly indicated to mean that the extremist ideology has reached 80% of Muslims and not that 80% of Muslims accepted it and became extremist. This is a Shame on the leaders of the organizations below that they have to resort to such quoting out of context to slander a Muslim Shaykh. Several lines later Shaykh Hisham said to confirm his view: "...the Muslim community as a whole is innocent from whatever  extremism and extremist ideology is being spread around the world." As for the second allegation, it comes from these words regarding extremists: "They hijacked the mike, or they were elected because they are  good speakers, but they give a wrong idea about Islam." Note that Shaykh Hisham differentiates extremists as follows: "There are two kinds of extremism: there is the extremism ideology  and there is the extremist militant movement." The former type is the one Shaykh Hisham points to as having "hijacked the mike". He explains the rise of Wahhabism, and its attempted reformation of Islam. Anyone who has been to many Islamic centers in the US knows that Wahhabi ideologies are widely spread among leaders of many Mosques, preventing Dhikr, cursing Tasawwuf, preventing Mawlid et cetra. Notice that overseas organizations that started along similar Wahhabi trends are now bombing Muslims in the Caucaus, Sudan and many other places in the name of purifying Islam from what they view as 'Kufr, Bid'a and Shirk', but in reality it is traditional Islam they attack. >2) Claimed that "there are many, many Muslim organizations, that they >speak on behalf of the Muslim community, but in reality they are not >moderate, but they are extremist...These people are very well supported, >very well affiliated with outside regimes, that they have been sponsored >by billions of dollars to be active within the United States..." These are actually parts of two different paragraphs joined together only in this letter by three dots "...". They are actually paragraphs apart. Here is more context: "...there are many Muslim organizations that claim to speak on  behalf of the Muslim community but that in reality are not moderate,  but extremist. They hijacked the mike, or they were elected because  they are good speakers, but they give a wrong idea about Islam." This is known to those with experience in Islamic centers. Again Shaykh Hisham confirms what the authors of this letter try to hide, that he views the Muslim community as moderate. Shame on those who slander Muslim Shaykhs with their lies. The second half of that (mis)quoted above comes in a different part of the speech: "You are not hearing the authentic voice of Muslims, of moderate Muslims,  but you are hearing the extremist voice of Muslims. That's why they are  getting a wrong idea, because the extremists are very well supported,  are very well affiliated with outside regimes that have sponsored them  with billions of dollars to be active in the United States." Again Shaykh Hisham confirms that Muslims in general are moderate, he states a well know fact that outside regimes are supporting extremist[ideological] views in the US. Anyone who has been involved in Islamic centers knows how certain countries frequently will offer to give free books with Wahhabi ideology, and gradually take over or have those who support their views take over Islamic centers and throw out authentic Muslims who speak the truth. An example is the preventers of Mawlid, celebration of the birthday of the Prophet, Salla Allahu alayhi wa Sallam, which is practiced in nearly every Islamic country, how many a Masjid today following extremist leadership has banned it and ridiculed its approval by the overwhelming majority of Islamic scholars. >3) Claiming that the main national Muslim student organization is "being >run mostly by extremist ideology," Mr. Kabbani raised the bizarre >specter that the Bin Laden organization was "able to buy more than 20 >atomic weapons, atomic nuclear heads, from some Mafias in the ex-Soviet >Union...and now they are hiring thousands of scientists from the >ex-Soviet in order to make these atomic warheads into smaller >partitions, smaller particles, in order to be, like small chips to be >put in any suit case, even in a handbag, and be shipped anyplace, >anywhere in the world...If these small nuclear atomic warheads reach >these (U.S.) universities, you don't know, these students, what they are >going to do, because their way of thinking is brainwashed and limited." Shaykh Hisham defined extremism as: "Extremism in Islam, or in religion, is when you use religion to  label intolerance, to turn from religion and take ideas that you  can extract for yourself, or deduce for yourself, and use to make  a militant movement and disturb the peace in your country or around  the world." He clarified that extremism may be ideological or militant. Therefore extremist ideology in Islam involves intolerence and self deduced Islamic rulings, and both of these have been clearly seen from the leadership of some Muslim student oraganizations, some who frankly say they do not care what the scholars of Islam say, rather they will deduce their own understandings of Quran and Sunnah. Or they demonstrate intolence to authentic Islam, as Dhikr, Tasbih, Tasawwuf et cetra, calling out "Bid'a", "Shirk", "Kufr". As to Bin Laden and his plans, then the authors of this letter of condemnation are speaking in ignorance of the truth, and throwing serious allegations on issues they do not have knowledge of simply because they sound unlikely to them. Why would not a well connected multi-millionare as Bin Laden be able to procure a few of the 22,000 Russian nuclear warheads and hire for his cause Russian scientists for a steep price, when the Russians are in very hard economic times. If he were to find someone to do a devious deed for him in this country, and he has stated his intention to get American blood, then is it so absurd to believe he would recruit a disgruntled misguided student who has been brainwashed into thinking he must get even with America. >Adding insult to injury, Mr. Kabbani even promoted and generalized an >allegation that Muslim women in Europe "who are during the day, covered >from top to bottom and, during the night, have dates. They are dating >high officials in many countries around the world to take the >information from them and to give it to the extremists." Another lie and quotation out of context. It is truly amazing that all these Muslim organizations who signed below, if this is truly their signature, would stoop this low to slander a Muslim Shaykh. The lie: "promoted and generalized an allegation that Muslim women in  Europe..." Here is the proper quote in context from Shaykh Hisham's speech after explaining how extremist organizations are not following Islam as is well known many sell drugs to get cash for weapons and supplies, he adds the following: "Recently they found in London, between London and France and all  that area in Western Europe, that there is a big network of women  that one of the very famous Arabic newspapers - either al Wasat  or al Watat al Arabi - revealed in a big report two or three months  ago. They found a network run by Muslim women who, during the day,  are covered from top to bottom and, during the night, have dates.  They are dating high officials in many countries around the world to  take the information from them and to give it to the extremists. We  have to ask ourselves: is this Islamic or un-Islamic?" Note this is NOT generalized to Muslim women, and again the point which the authors of this condemnation try to hide is that Sahykh Hisham is defending Muslims from false Islam, not as they falsely claim attacking Muslims. >Through outrageous statements such as these, Mr. Kabbani has put the >entire American Muslim community under unjustified suspicion. In effect, >Mr. Kabbani is telling government officials that the majority of American >Muslims pose a danger to our society. Notice that not a single statement quoted above justified the false conclusion of the authors. The letter builds itself up then ends up being a slanderous baseless shameful gang attack on a Muslim Shaykh who has worked hard to promote Islamic unity and understanding. >Additionally, Islamophobic individuals and groups may use these >statements as an excuse to commit hate crimes against Muslims of the >kind witnessed following the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building >in Oklahoma City when Muslim-bashers, Steven Emerson and others, >offered similarly unsubstantiated claims that Muslims were behind the >attack. The authors seemed to have missed the whole point of Shaykh Hisham's speech. There is no justification for terrorism. There are no excuses for hate crimes. Muslims will not stand behind those who commit crimes in the name of Islam. Islam is not extremist, a few Muslims may be, the Muslim community is innocent of their deeds. Furthermore the worst "Muslim-bashers" are those who commit terrorism and say it is Islam and that they are good Muslims. Islam is more harmed by those among us that "excuse" extremism, than by those outside us who may falsely allege that islam is itself extreme. In the latter case many people are wise enough not to take a non-Muslims view about Islam as being very accurate. >We therefore ask Mr. Kabbani to promptly and publicly retract his >statements, to apologize to the American Muslim community, and to exert >his utmost effort to undo the damage these statements have done. It seems that the apology should be from the undersigned to Shaykh Hisham for falsely representing his speech as is clear above and to the Muslim Community for lying to them. >The issue is not that of a mere difference of opinion within an American >religious community, but involves the irresponsible act of providing >false information to government officials. This false information can >jeopardize the safety and well being of our community and hurt America >itself by damaging its values of inclusiveness, fairness, and liberty. The undersigned seem to commend America for its values of "inclusiveness, fairness, and liberty". Yet some affiliated with them have notoriously banned and slandered Shaykh Hisham Kabbani. Shaykh Hisham held the Islamic Unity Conference and invited all, yet a concerted effort by hypocrites was to prevent people from attending a conference where Terrorism was condemned and Islam was declared innocent of Terrorism. Those hypocrites showed no inclusiveness, no fairness and no liberty. They spread false rumors about Shaykh Hisham throughout Mosques and on the internet. They tried their best as the undersigned do today to slander and destroy one who is working to clear the name of Islam and the majority of Muslims. The undersigned never stood up to defend the honor of a Shaykh of Islam, yet when Extremism is condemned they quickly organize to condemn the one who has condemned it. >Signatories (in alphabetical order): > >American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC) >[American Muslim Alliance (AMA), American Muslim Council (AMC), Council >on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) & Muslim Public Affairs Council >(MPAC)] >Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) >Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) >Muslim Students Association of USA & Canada (MSA) May Allah guide us and Forgive us. Allahumma salli wa sallim wa barik 'ala Sayyidina Muhammad wa 'ala Alihi wa Sahbihi wa al-Tabi'ina ila yawm al-din WasSalamu alaykum, Abu Kareem ___________________________________________ An official statement will follow shortly</BLOCKQUOTE>  </HTML> </x-html>

saalam, please remove me from the mailing list. {Quote hidden}> -----Original Message----- > From: Mateen Siddiqui [SMTP:.....mateensKILLspam.....sunnah.org] > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 1:14 PM > To: msa-ec mailing list > Cc: ZerRey; zafer iqbal; yusufalymd; Yassir Chadly; yamalik; yarahman; > witryol; Dr. Munir Sperling; Wen Shi Di; wasif; vp-can; viqbal; mohamad > zaini othman; Torshin Ivan; tia; ListBot; TESL-L; Teresa Watanabe; > Habibullah Juan Manuel; A & M Taddia; syeeds; Sunnah; wali muhammad; > SShakeel; Saleigh Salem; Srafiq; SQuidwai; sjahumble; Prince AS-Sayyid > Muh. 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Gunderson; Patricia Gally; fsistac; fhaddad; farooki; > eyilmaz; exposed 123; saleem patel; Fariduddien Rice; DeanKader; dani; > Dakhil; David Addicott; crescent; Bootman; Bryce Hoffman; editor; ibrahim > addo addo; DAMLEWIS; DrSiddiqi; community; cair1; auqaabl; asinno; > AShaikh519; asfa; sri; aqamar; amir butler; AMILAnet; amer; Ameerakhan; > amc; ama; alkhatib; aljazirah; Zeeshan Ali; aleem; alauddin41; Alamoudi1; > al_taf; Frank Walker; Aazam1; Abdul_Arghandehwal; ahmed; ahmed.h.salama; > afscpasa; aemon; Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar; Aslam1958 > Subject: response by Abu Kareem to Statement by Seven Organizations > > Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem was-salaat > was-salaam ala Rasulillah wa ala alihi wa > sahbihi wa sallam > > AsSalamu alaykum wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatu > > It is regretful but revealing that AMPCC, > AMA[alliance], AMC, CAIR, > MPAC,ICNA,ISNA,and MSA would issue a > statement condemning Shaykh > Hisham Kabbani's speech to the state > department. I pray this be > a hoax and that these organizations declare > themselves innocent > of this slanderous statement. > > Notice that not one of Shaykh Hisham's > statements were refuted, > rather these organizations tried to quote out > of context to rally > Muslims away from a voice of moderation. The > condemnation is quoted > in full: > > >MAJOR MUSLIM ORGANIZATIONS CONDEMN KABBANI'S > STATEMENTS > >American Muslim leaders demand retraction > and apology > > > >It is with heavy hearts that we, the > undersigned national American > >Muslim organizations, feel compelled to > defend our community and its > >representatives from false and defamatory > allegations. > > Notice in what follows no statement is shown > to be false or defamatory > to anyone, except that the statements > criticize extremism. > > As for the allegation that the Muslim > community needs a defense > against Shaykh Hisham, then this is a clearly > misleading statement > that falsely implies that Shaykh Hisham > accused the Muslim community > as a whole of extremism. His own words from > the speech refute that: > > "This is what I want to say to you, to > present to you from within > the Muslim community. We want to tell you > that the Muslim community > as a whole is innocent from whatever > extremism and extremist ideology > is being spread around the world." > > >In a January 7, 1999, presentation to a > State Department Open Forum, Mr. > >Hisham Kabbani, Chairman of the self-styled > "Islamic Supreme Council of > >America," made a number of unsubstantiated > allegations that could have a > >profoundly negative impact on ordinary > American Muslims. > > Another attempt to rally "ordinary" Muslims > against Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, > again without substantiation. The derogatory > tone of the authors and > lack of respect for a Muslim Shaykh is > obvious. > > > >In the State Department forum, Mr. Kabbani: > > > >1) Alleged that the "ideology of extremism > has been spread to eighty > >percent of the [American] Muslim > population." Having also stated that > >"extremists" gained control of American > mosques through elections, Mr. > >Kabbani further strengthens the impression > that the Muslim community as > >a whole is extremist. > > A statement purposely taken out of context, > here is some context: > > "...Extremism has been spread to 80 per cent > of the Muslim > population. Not all of them agree with > it..." > > Therefore the word "spread" is clearly > indicated to mean that the > extremist ideology has reached 80% of Muslims > and not that 80% of > Muslims accepted it and became extremist. > This is a Shame on the > leaders of the organizations below that they > have to resort to such > quoting out of context to slander a Muslim > Shaykh. Several lines > later Shaykh Hisham said to confirm his view: > > "...the Muslim community as a whole is > innocent from whatever > extremism and extremist ideology is being > spread around the world." > > As for the second allegation, it comes from > these words regarding > extremists: > > "They hijacked the mike, or they were elected > because they are > good speakers, but they give a wrong idea > about Islam." > > Note that Shaykh Hisham differentiates > extremists as follows: > > "There are two kinds of extremism: there is > the extremism ideology > and there is the extremist militant > movement." > > The former type is the one Shaykh Hisham > points to as having > "hijacked the mike". He explains the rise of > Wahhabism, and > its attempted reformation of Islam. > > Anyone who has been to many Islamic centers > in the US knows that > Wahhabi ideologies are widely spread among > leaders of many Mosques, > preventing Dhikr, cursing Tasawwuf, > preventing Mawlid et cetra. Notice > that overseas organizations that started > along similar Wahhabi trends > are now bombing Muslims in the Caucaus, Sudan > and many other places > in the name of purifying Islam from what they > view as 'Kufr, Bid'a and > Shirk', but in reality it is traditional > Islam they attack. > > >2) Claimed that "there are many, many Muslim > organizations, that they > >speak on behalf of the Muslim community, but > in reality they are not > >moderate, but they are extremist...These > people are very well supported, > >very well affiliated with outside regimes, > that they have been sponsored > >by billions of dollars to be active within > the United States..." > > These are actually parts of two different > paragraphs joined together > only in this letter by three dots "...". They > are actually paragraphs > apart. Here is more context: > > "...there are many Muslim organizations that > claim to speak on > behalf of the Muslim community but that in > reality are not moderate, > but extremist. They hijacked the mike, or > they were elected because > they are good speakers, but they give a > wrong idea about Islam." > > This is known to those with experience in > Islamic centers. Again > Shaykh Hisham confirms what the authors of > this letter try to hide, > that he views the Muslim community as > moderate. Shame on those > who slander Muslim Shaykhs with their lies. > The second half of that > (mis)quoted above comes in a different part > of the speech: > > "You are not hearing the authentic voice of > Muslims, of moderate Muslims, > but you are hearing the extremist voice of > Muslims. That's why they are > getting a wrong idea, because the extremists > are very well supported, > are very well affiliated with outside > regimes that have sponsored them > with billions of dollars to be active in the > United States." > > Again Shaykh Hisham confirms that Muslims in > general are moderate, > he states a well know fact that outside > regimes are supporting > extremist[ideological] views in the US. > Anyone who has been involved > in Islamic centers knows how certain > countries frequently will offer > to give free books with Wahhabi ideology, and > gradually take over or > have those who support their views take over > Islamic centers and > throw out authentic Muslims who speak the > truth. An example is the > preventers of Mawlid, celebration of the > birthday of the Prophet, > Salla Allahu alayhi wa Sallam, which is > practiced in nearly every > Islamic country, how many a Masjid today > following extremist leadership > has banned it and ridiculed its approval by > the overwhelming majority > of Islamic scholars. > > >3) Claiming that the main national Muslim > student organization is "being > >run mostly by extremist ideology," Mr. > Kabbani raised the bizarre > >specter that the Bin Laden organization was > "able to buy more than 20 > >atomic weapons, atomic nuclear heads, from > some Mafias in the ex-Soviet > >Union...and now they are hiring thousands of > scientists from the > >ex-Soviet in order to make these atomic > warheads into smaller > >partitions, smaller particles, in order to > be, like small chips to be > >put in any suit case, even in a handbag, and > be shipped anyplace, > >anywhere in the world...If these small > nuclear atomic warheads reach > >these (U.S.) universities, you don't know, > these students, what they are > >going to do, because their way of thinking > is brainwashed and limited." > > Shaykh Hisham defined extremism as: > > "Extremism in Islam, or in religion, is when > you use religion to > label intolerance, to turn from religion and > take ideas that you > can extract for yourself, or deduce for > yourself, and use to make > a militant movement and disturb the peace in > your country or around > the world." > > He clarified that extremism may be > ideological or militant. Therefore > extremist ideology in Islam involves > intolerence and self deduced > Islamic rulings, and both of these have been > clearly seen from the > leadership of some Muslim student > oraganizations, some who frankly > say they do not care what the scholars of > Islam say, rather they > will deduce their own understandings of Quran > and Sunnah. Or they > demonstrate intolence to authentic Islam, as > Dhikr, Tasbih, Tasawwuf > et cetra, calling out "Bid'a", "Shirk", > "Kufr". > > As to Bin Laden and his plans, then the > authors of this letter > of condemnation are speaking in ignorance of > the truth, and > throwing serious allegations on issues they > do not have knowledge > of simply because they sound unlikely to > them. Why would not a > well connected multi-millionare as Bin Laden > be able to procure > a few of the 22,000 Russian nuclear warheads > and hire for his > cause Russian scientists for a steep price, > when the Russians > are in very hard economic times. If he were > to find someone to > do a devious deed for him in this country, > and he has stated his > intention to get American blood, then is it > so absurd to believe > he would recruit a disgruntled misguided > student who has been > brainwashed into thinking he must get even > with America. > > >Adding insult to injury, Mr. Kabbani even > promoted and generalized an > >allegation that Muslim women in Europe "who > are during the day, covered > >from top to bottom and, during the night, > have dates. They are dating > >high officials in many countries around the > world to take the > >information from them and to give it to the > extremists." > > Another lie and quotation out of context. It > is truly amazing > that all these Muslim organizations who > signed below, if this is > truly their signature, would stoop this low > to slander a Muslim > Shaykh. > > The lie: > > "promoted and generalized an allegation that > Muslim women in > Europe..." > > Here is the proper quote in context from > Shaykh Hisham's speech > after explaining how extremist organizations > are not following > Islam as is well known many sell drugs to get > cash for weapons > and supplies, he adds the following: > > "Recently they found in London, between > London and France and all > that area in Western Europe, that there is a > big network of women > that one of the very famous Arabic > newspapers - either al Wasat > or al Watat al Arabi - revealed in a big > report two or three months > ago. They found a network run by Muslim > women who, during the day, > are covered from top to bottom and, during > the night, have dates. > They are dating high officials in many > countries around the world to > take the information from them and to give > it to the extremists. We > have to ask ourselves: is this Islamic or > un-Islamic?" > > Note this is NOT generalized to Muslim women, > and again the point > which the authors of this condemnation try to > hide is that Sahykh > Hisham is defending Muslims from false Islam, > not as they falsely > claim attacking Muslims. > > >Through outrageous statements such as these, > Mr. Kabbani has put the > >entire American Muslim community under > unjustified suspicion. In effect, > >Mr. Kabbani is telling government officials > that the majority of American > >Muslims pose a danger to our society. > > Notice that not a single statement quoted > above justified the false > conclusion of the authors. The letter builds > itself up then ends up > being a slanderous baseless shameful gang > attack on a Muslim Shaykh > who has worked hard to promote Islamic unity > and understanding. > > >Additionally, Islamophobic individuals and > groups may use these > >statements as an excuse to commit hate > crimes against Muslims of the > >kind witnessed following the bombing of the > Murrah Federal Building > >in Oklahoma City when Muslim-bashers, Steven > Emerson and others, > >offered similarly unsubstantiated claims > that Muslims were behind the > >attack. > > The authors seemed to have missed the whole > point of Shaykh Hisham's > speech. There is no justification for > terrorism. There are no excuses > for hate crimes. Muslims will not stand > behind those who commit crimes > in the name of Islam. Islam is not extremist, > a few Muslims may be, > the Muslim community is innocent of their > deeds. > > Furthermore the worst "Muslim-bashers" are > those who commit terrorism > and say it is Islam and that they are good > Muslims. Islam is more > harmed by those among us that "excuse" > extremism, than by those > outside us who may falsely allege that islam > is itself extreme. > In the latter case many people are wise > enough not to take a > non-Muslims view about Islam as being very > accurate. > > > >We therefore ask Mr. Kabbani to promptly and > publicly retract his > >statements, to apologize to the American > Muslim community, and to exert > >his utmost effort to undo the damage these > statements have done. > > It seems that the apology should be from the > undersigned to > Shaykh Hisham for falsely representing his > speech as is clear > above and to the Muslim Community for lying > to them. > > >The issue is not that of a mere difference > of opinion within an American > >religious community, but involves the > irresponsible act of providing > >false information to government officials. > This false information can > >jeopardize the safety and well being of our > community and hurt America > >itself by damaging its values of > inclusiveness, fairness, and liberty. > > The undersigned seem to commend America for > its values of > "inclusiveness, fairness, and liberty". Yet > some affiliated > with them have notoriously banned and > slandered Shaykh Hisham > Kabbani. Shaykh Hisham held the Islamic Unity > Conference and > invited all, yet a concerted effort by > hypocrites was to prevent > people from attending a conference where > Terrorism was condemned > and Islam was declared innocent of Terrorism. > Those hypocrites > showed no inclusiveness, no fairness and no > liberty. They spread > false rumors about Shaykh Hisham throughout > Mosques and on > the internet. They tried their best as the > undersigned do today > to slander and destroy one who is working to > clear the name of Islam > and the majority of Muslims. The undersigned > never stood up to > defend the honor of a Shaykh of Islam, yet > when Extremism is > condemned they quickly organize to condemn > the one who has > condemned it. > > > >Signatories (in alphabetical order): > > > >American Muslim Political Coordination > Council (AMPCC) > >[American Muslim Alliance (AMA), American > Muslim Council (AMC), Council > >on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) & > Muslim Public Affairs Council > >(MPAC)] > >Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) > >Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) > >Muslim Students Association of USA & Canada > (MSA) > > > May Allah guide us and Forgive us. > > Allahumma salli wa sallim wa barik 'ala > Sayyidina Muhammad > wa 'ala Alihi wa Sahbihi wa al-Tabi'ina ila > yawm al-din > > WasSalamu alaykum, > > Abu Kareem > > > ___________________________________________ > An official statement will follow shortly >

Mr. EraseMEmsahibspam_OUTTakeThisOuThome.com: Perhaps you should put your head where your mouth is. And learn Adab 101, since you and your Wahhabi friends seem to have abandoned the importance of it. msahibspam_OUThome.com wrote: > > Dear brothers and sisters > > The crux of the matter is that, an UN-educated person, especially one Shaykh Hisham Kabbani is a real scholar and Shaykh, not one who memorized "bid`a, shirk and kufr" to become a "Salafi" scholar in one day. He is learned. He has ijaza. He is a Shaykh of shari`a and tasawwuf. Only those who are ignorant will make such arrogant, baseless claims as you have. Scholars worldwide have recognized his scholarship. What are your credentials that you call people "UN-educated"? > who has little or no in depth understanding of world politics and its > intricacies, one who cannot fathom the harm and dangers of his random > and non-coherent utterings could bring upon the ummmah should keep his > mouth tightly shut. Moreover, he represents a handful of people and has Perhaps it is you who needs to keep his mouth tightly shut. If you know politics so well, and you care about the ummah so much, why don't you do something for it. Shaykh Kabbani has world-wide recognition. EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF CHECHNYA IS UNDER BAYA WITH HIM. What have you done? And who endorses you? Even your friends at ISNA, ICNA et al haven't made you their leader. Shaykh Kabbani has been chosen by many many Muslims across America, and even across the world, to be their leader. > self engrandoised his organization by such ominous sounding name as > SUPREME COUNCIL, which was not elected by the ummah at large to > represent them. This is not a legitimate organization to speak on behalf The Ummah at large holds the viewpoints he propagates... not the extremist, accusatory viewpoint you promote. His -IS- the SUPREME COUNCIL; He is an authority in Islamic thought. HE is a real Shaykh, a real scholar, who dedicated and dedicates his life for Islam. Unlike your leaders who study Islam for several years and are the real 'self-proclaimed' scholars and leaders. Why don't you look up Muzammil Siddiqi's history?... In California at his masjid, where he's a self-proclaimed "leader" there. Why don't you yourself research how he took over, and whether communities, including his own, across America recognize his leadership voluntarily. This is leadership? And Masha'Allah, we have seen Sayyid Syeed's integrity presented in a previous issue of The Muslim Magazine. And numerous Muslims have seen his (and his supporters) character in meeting and/or working with them. Shaykh Kabbani was chosen to be leader by many Muslims across America. Not only that, many Muslims turn to him to take leadership of the traditional Islamic viewpoint in America. Those who have witnessed the work of other organizations and that of Shaykh Kabbani, love to identify themselves with him. On the other hand, those who are jealous have proven themselves unworthy when they did their best to slander and defame Shaykh Kabbani. > of Muslims, full stop. So, we must ask most humbly that Mr Karbani > desists from any public statements concerning Muslims, as he has no It is YOU who should "desist from any publice statements concerning Muslims" when you do not even know how the majority of Muslims think or feel. Many Muslims have addressed their concerns and expressed their viewpoints to him. The Muslims who identify with his viewpoints number much more than you and your friends. Muslims have given Shaykh Kabbani the right to speak on their behalf. Nonetheless, FYI, Shaykh Kabbani made clear in his talk that he was speaking on behalf of "many, many Muslims", and not "all Muslims" as you assert. Here is a quote from his talk: "On behalf of the Islamic Supreme Council of America, and many, many Muslims - because I cannot speak on behalf of all Muslims, as many non-profit organizations in America do. Immediately when something happens in the Middle East or that region they send media alerts saying they are speaking on behalf of the whole Muslim community, which is completely incorrect. So on behalf of many Muslims, ... " Was-salaamalaykum. -Portia Muhammad Shah > right what so ever to speak on behalf of us - none what so ever. > > By the way, Mr Mateen Siddiqui: please remove my name from your spam > list. >

DEAR sister Portia: salaams I am only asking you for ONE favor: PLS. take my name off your Karbani mailing list. Also, there are many other brothers and sisters asking your org. to delete their names, but you ignore their requests. As for the remarks you have made, it is full of contradictions and falsehood and it does not deserve a response. M.S ============================= Portia Shah wrote: {Quote hidden}> Mr. KILLspammsahibKILLspamhome.com: > > Perhaps you should put your head where your mouth is. And learn Adab > 101, since you and your Wahhabi friends seem to have abandoned the > importance of it. > > RemoveMEmsahibTakeThisOuThome.com wrote: > > > > Dear brothers and sisters > > > > The crux of the matter is that, an UN-educated person, especially one > > Shaykh Hisham Kabbani is a real scholar and Shaykh, not one who > memorized "bid`a, shirk and kufr" to become a "Salafi" scholar in one > day. He is learned. He has ijaza. He is a Shaykh of shari`a and > tasawwuf. > > Only those who are ignorant will make such arrogant, baseless claims as > you have. Scholars worldwide have recognized his scholarship. What are > your credentials that you call people "UN-educated"? > > > who has little or no in depth understanding of world politics and its > > intricacies, one who cannot fathom the harm and dangers of his random > > and non-coherent utterings could bring upon the ummmah should keep his > > mouth tightly shut. Moreover, he represents a handful of people and has > > Perhaps it is you who needs to keep his mouth tightly shut. If you know > politics so well, and you care about the ummah so much, why don't you do > something for it. Shaykh Kabbani has world-wide recognition. EVEN THE > PRESIDENT OF CHECHNYA IS UNDER BAYA WITH HIM. What have you done? And > who endorses you? Even your friends at ISNA, ICNA et al haven't made you > their leader. > > Shaykh Kabbani has been chosen by many many Muslims across America, and > even across the world, to be their leader. > > > self engrandoised his organization by such ominous sounding name as > > SUPREME COUNCIL, which was not elected by the ummah at large to > > represent them. This is not a legitimate organization to speak on behalf > > The Ummah at large holds the viewpoints he propagates... not the > extremist, accusatory viewpoint you promote. His -IS- the SUPREME > COUNCIL; He is an authority in Islamic thought. HE is a real Shaykh, a > real scholar, who dedicated and dedicates his life for Islam. Unlike > your leaders who study Islam for several years and are the real > 'self-proclaimed' scholars and leaders. Why don't you look up Muzammil > Siddiqi's history?... In California at his masjid, where he's a > self-proclaimed "leader" there. Why don't you yourself research how he > took over, and whether communities, including his own, across America > recognize his leadership voluntarily. This is leadership? > > And Masha'Allah, we have seen Sayyid Syeed's integrity presented in a > previous issue of The Muslim Magazine. And numerous Muslims have seen > his (and his supporters) character in meeting and/or working with them. > > Shaykh Kabbani was chosen to be leader by many Muslims across America. > Not only that, many Muslims turn to him to take leadership of the > traditional Islamic viewpoint in America. > > Those who have witnessed the work of other organizations and that of > Shaykh Kabbani, love to identify themselves with him. On the other hand, > those who are jealous have proven themselves unworthy when they did > their best to slander and defame Shaykh Kabbani. > > > of Muslims, full stop. So, we must ask most humbly that Mr Karbani > > desists from any public statements concerning Muslims, as he has no > > It is YOU who should "desist from any publice statements concerning > Muslims" when you do not even know how the majority of Muslims think or > feel. Many Muslims have addressed their concerns and expressed their > viewpoints to him. The Muslims who identify with his viewpoints number > much more than you and your friends. > > Muslims have given Shaykh Kabbani the right to speak on their behalf. > > Nonetheless, FYI, Shaykh Kabbani made clear in his talk that he was > speaking on behalf of "many, many Muslims", and not "all Muslims" as you > assert. Here is a quote from his talk: > > "On behalf of the Islamic Supreme Council of America, and many, many > Muslims - because I cannot speak on behalf of all Muslims, as many > non-profit organizations in America do. Immediately when something > happens in the Middle East or that region they send media alerts saying > they are speaking on behalf of the whole Muslim community, which is > completely incorrect. So on behalf of many Muslims, ... " > > Was-salaamalaykum. > > -Portia Muhammad Shah > > > right what so ever to speak on behalf of us - none what so ever. > > > > By the way, Mr Mateen Siddiqui: please remove my name from your spam > > list. > >