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'Picstart 16B1'
1996\09\28@213723 by John Piccirillo

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 Hi,

   I'm another guy just starting out on PICs and I have some questions (and
problems).  I'm using the PICSTART16B1 programmer and the 16C84 chip.

1.  The Picstart User's Guide doesn't seem to cover what the MPS16B1.exe
puts on the screen.
    The manual refers to "fuse edit", the program (the version I have
anyway) refers to "configuration bits".  I assume these are the same - are
they?  And what is the "ID Edit" used for (it seems redundant with the
configuration bits)?

2.  When I program a 16C84, using the Picstart16B1 programmer, the end of
the program sequence pops up two screens - one labeled "Error" and one
labeled "ID Error".   The third column in both of these is labeled "bad" and
contains only zeros.  Is this the end of a error free program cycle?

3.  If I try the "Verify", or the "Verify Config. Bits Only", or the
"Program Config. Bits Only", I get a Configuration Bits Error screen which
shows settings different than those checked in the "Configuration Bits"
window in the set-up prior to programming.  What am I doing wrong?

 I'm looking forward to migrating to the PIC for my hobby robotics projects
- HELP!

Thanks,

John-

1996\09\30@093554 by Jim Robertson

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At 08:36 PM 9/28/96 -0500, you wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>    I'm another guy just starting out on PICs and I have some questions (and
>problems).  I'm using the PICSTART16B1 programmer and the 16C84 chip.
>
>1.  The Picstart User's Guide doesn't seem to cover what the MPS16B1.exe
>puts on the screen.
>     The manual refers to "fuse edit", the program (the version I have
>anyway) refers to "configuration bits".  I assume these are the same - are
>they?  And what is the "ID Edit" used for (it seems redundant with the
>configuration bits)?

"Fuses" is the old term for what is now configuration word or bits. They are
the same.

"ID" refers to four locations that are ONLY accessible to the programmer.
I.E. you can read them at "run time." These locations can be used to
identify the part or version number, checksum value etc. Most of the
time just leave them blank. For some parts, the microchip programmers
with automatically put the checksum value in them. Not something you need
to worry about.

>
>2.  When I program a 16C84, using the Picstart16B1 programmer, the end of
>the program sequence pops up two screens - one labeled "Error" and one
>labeled "ID Error".   The third column in both of these is labeled "bad" and
>contains only zeros.  Is this the end of a error free program cycle?

Nope, your've got problems. Make sure you put the 16C84 in the 28-pin zif
as marked on the PCB.

>
>3.  If I try the "Verify", or the "Verify Config. Bits Only", or the
>"Program Config. Bits Only", I get a Configuration Bits Error screen which
>shows settings different than those checked in the "Configuration Bits"
>window in the set-up prior to programming.  What am I doing wrong?

Why don't you enter the PS software without loading you code. Program the
16C84 and ensure that it will program correctly. Get this working first, then
if problems occur when you try to program your code, we can look to see what
is wrong.

>
>  I'm looking forward to migrating to the PIC for my hobby robotics projects
>- HELP!
>
>Thanks,
>
>John-

Good luck with it and let us know how you get on.

Jim

1996\09\30@165532 by michele

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Hi John,
i've read your message on pic mailing list.
Sometimes i had the same problem with picstart (point 2),
usually the problem are:
1) the length of the cable between computer and picstart
2) The computer clock speed (slow as possible)
I hope it will be quite usefull for you
I have done it and now my picstart works quite fine.

Bye

Michele

P.S. i tried to send to your direct mail address but i had some problem.

At 20.36 28/09/96 -0500, you wrote:
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1996\09\30@190835 by Hans J. Ziegler

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Howdy!

1. The configuration bits are written to the configuration fuses (i.e. fuses
are blown) on the chip. Therewith you are correct.

Unfortunately I use another programmer, but Michele's suggestion, trying to
slow down your CPU or shorten the link cable sounds reasonable.

Hope I could help,

H.J. Ziegler


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'picstart 16b1'
1998\08\06@080709 by chael (UC-VT/EHW)
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does anyone have the firmware version 1.7 as a programmable file?
Michael Isermann
* BOSCH-Signalbau Huber; Kelterstrasse 67-69; 72669 Unterensingen
* Tel.:+ 49 (7 022) 603-153
*  Fax: + 49 (7 022) 603-214
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1998\08\07@041705 by chael (UC-VT/EHW)

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hello all.

We have problems with our picstart 16b1. We can«t program some kinds of
pic«s. We work with firmware version 1.4. We hear, that firmware 1.7 can
solve this problem. This information we have from the internet. Qur question
to microchip have no response. So our question:
Does anybody have the firmware 1.7 or a URL to get it.
Michael Isermann
* BOSCH-Signalbau Huber; Kelterstrasse 67-69; 72669 Unterensingen
* Tel.:+ 49 (7 022) 603-153
*  Fax: + 49 (7 022) 603-214
*  e-Mail: michael.isermannspamKILLspampcm.bosch.de

1998\08\07@072605 by Paul BRITTON

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I suggest you contact Jim Robertson <.....newfoundKILLspamspam.....PIPELINE.COM.AU>, about his
Pheonix upgrade for the Picstart 16B1......If you're going to 'blow' new
firmware, you may as well blow a decent one!!!


Paul

1998\08\08@044242 by Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG

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'picstart 16b1'
1999\11\04@052520 by PSL
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1999\11\04@064538 by Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG

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78s40. if you want I have the data sheet, but you can download from the NET.

HTH

                      Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG

1999\11\04@092107 by PSL

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Hi Claudio Rachiele

Thanks for responsing. If you don't mind please mail me the link where i can
find the datasheet.so if the file is small you can mail it to me
Thanks a million

regards
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> 78s40. if you want I have the data sheet, but you can download from the
NET.
>
> HTH
>
>                        Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG

1999\11\04@163643 by John Considine

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x-html> The U5 chip on my PICSTART 16B1 firmware V1.7 is made by ST  with number HCF4066BE  S994B9327

PSL wrote:

Hello everyone Can any PICSTART 16b1 owner check for me the part number of IC "U5" on the boardthanks a millionregards

1999\11\04@165856 by Tony Nixon

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> PSL wrote:
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> Hello everyone
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> Can any PICSTART 16b1 owner check for me the part number of IC "U5" on
> the board
> thanks a million
> regards

It is a switching regulator, and is quite a complicated little gizmo.
Get your calculator out if you want to design with it.

Be careful if you alter any parts around this chip on the 16B PCB. They
are destroyed easily for the unwary.

http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM78S40.html

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1999\11\04@173958 by PSL

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Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG wrote:
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> 78s40. if you want I have the data sheet, but you can download from the NET.
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> HTH
>
>                        Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG

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1999\11\05@121922 by miked

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Date sent:              Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:44:43 +0100
From:                   Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG <RemoveME75805312spamTakeThisOuTIT.IBM.COM>
Subject:                Re: picstart 16b1

> 78s40. if you want I have the data sheet, but you can download from the NET.
>
> HTH
>
>                        Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG
>

Thats U6 on my 16B, U5 is a CD4066

1999\11\05@122926 by miked

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> > PSL wrote:
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> > Hello everyone
> >
> > Can any PICSTART 16b1 owner check for me the part number of IC "U5" on
> > the board
> > thanks a million
> > regards
>
> It is a switching regulator, and is quite a complicated little gizmo.
> Get your calculator out if you want to design with it.
>
> Be careful if you alter any parts around this chip on the 16B PCB. They
> are destroyed easily for the unwary.
>
> http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM78S40.html
>
I have a tube of tese her in obsolete stock. I have had to replace one in my
16B. I think the Picstart+ also uses it.

1999\11\05@155240 by Tracy Smith

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lookie here:

http://www.interstice.com/~sdattalo/gnupic/ps16b.html

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1999\11\05@213834 by Ed Edmondson

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This device is a standard CMOS 4066BE.  The ST is from ST Microelectronics
(http://www.st.com).

Ed

1999\11\05@234531 by Mark Willis

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Ed Edmondson wrote:
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> This device is a standard CMOS 4066BE.  The ST is from ST Microelectronics
> (http://www.st.com).
>
> Ed

The part he's after is that 78S40 (if I'm remembering the p/n
properly);  2 rev levels of the 16b1 exist;  he has his part number,
"move along, folks" <G>  4066's don't have pins labelled "Cathode" and
"anode", or "VRef" etc., on their pinout <G>

 Mark

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1999\11\06@044705 by PSL

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Hi
thanks for helping me out with this.
i didn't know there is so many version of 16b around
thanks anyway

regards

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'picstart 16b1'
2000\05\22@083840 by Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG
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Hi Piclisters,
someone of you can solve my problem ?
Can I program a 16f84 with a Picstart 16b1?
If I can, how must I set the fuses ?
What bit I must reverse ?
TIA

                      Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG

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