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Hi, I'm another guy just starting out on PICs and I have some questions (and problems). I'm using the PICSTART16B1 programmer and the 16C84 chip. 1. The Picstart User's Guide doesn't seem to cover what the MPS16B1.exe puts on the screen. The manual refers to "fuse edit", the program (the version I have anyway) refers to "configuration bits". I assume these are the same - are they? And what is the "ID Edit" used for (it seems redundant with the configuration bits)? 2. When I program a 16C84, using the Picstart16B1 programmer, the end of the program sequence pops up two screens - one labeled "Error" and one labeled "ID Error". The third column in both of these is labeled "bad" and contains only zeros. Is this the end of a error free program cycle? 3. If I try the "Verify", or the "Verify Config. Bits Only", or the "Program Config. Bits Only", I get a Configuration Bits Error screen which shows settings different than those checked in the "Configuration Bits" window in the set-up prior to programming. What am I doing wrong? I'm looking forward to migrating to the PIC for my hobby robotics projects - HELP! Thanks, John-

At 08:36 PM 9/28/96 -0500, you wrote: > Hi, > > I'm another guy just starting out on PICs and I have some questions (and >problems). I'm using the PICSTART16B1 programmer and the 16C84 chip. > >1. The Picstart User's Guide doesn't seem to cover what the MPS16B1.exe >puts on the screen. > The manual refers to "fuse edit", the program (the version I have >anyway) refers to "configuration bits". I assume these are the same - are >they? And what is the "ID Edit" used for (it seems redundant with the >configuration bits)? "Fuses" is the old term for what is now configuration word or bits. They are the same. "ID" refers to four locations that are ONLY accessible to the programmer. I.E. you can read them at "run time." These locations can be used to identify the part or version number, checksum value etc. Most of the time just leave them blank. For some parts, the microchip programmers with automatically put the checksum value in them. Not something you need to worry about. > >2. When I program a 16C84, using the Picstart16B1 programmer, the end of >the program sequence pops up two screens - one labeled "Error" and one >labeled "ID Error". The third column in both of these is labeled "bad" and >contains only zeros. Is this the end of a error free program cycle? Nope, your've got problems. Make sure you put the 16C84 in the 28-pin zif as marked on the PCB. > >3. If I try the "Verify", or the "Verify Config. Bits Only", or the >"Program Config. Bits Only", I get a Configuration Bits Error screen which >shows settings different than those checked in the "Configuration Bits" >window in the set-up prior to programming. What am I doing wrong? Why don't you enter the PS software without loading you code. Program the 16C84 and ensure that it will program correctly. Get this working first, then if problems occur when you try to program your code, we can look to see what is wrong. > > I'm looking forward to migrating to the PIC for my hobby robotics projects >- HELP! > >Thanks, > >John- Good luck with it and let us know how you get on. Jim

Hi John, i've read your message on pic mailing list. Sometimes i had the same problem with picstart (point 2), usually the problem are: 1) the length of the cable between computer and picstart 2) The computer clock speed (slow as possible) I hope it will be quite usefull for you I have done it and now my picstart works quite fine. Bye Michele P.S. i tried to send to your direct mail address but i had some problem. At 20.36 28/09/96 -0500, you wrote: {Quote hidden}> Hi, > > I'm another guy just starting out on PICs and I have some questions (and >problems). I'm using the PICSTART16B1 programmer and the 16C84 chip. > >1. The Picstart User's Guide doesn't seem to cover what the MPS16B1.exe >puts on the screen. > The manual refers to "fuse edit", the program (the version I have >anyway) refers to "configuration bits". I assume these are the same - are >they? And what is the "ID Edit" used for (it seems redundant with the >configuration bits)? > >2. When I program a 16C84, using the Picstart16B1 programmer, the end of >the program sequence pops up two screens - one labeled "Error" and one >labeled "ID Error". The third column in both of these is labeled "bad" and >contains only zeros. Is this the end of a error free program cycle? > >3. If I try the "Verify", or the "Verify Config. Bits Only", or the >"Program Config. Bits Only", I get a Configuration Bits Error screen which >shows settings different than those checked in the "Configuration Bits" >window in the set-up prior to programming. What am I doing wrong? > > I'm looking forward to migrating to the PIC for my hobby robotics projects >- HELP! > >Thanks, > >John- > > ________________________ spam_OUTmichele.mTakeThisOuTcaen.it ________________________

Howdy! 1. The configuration bits are written to the configuration fuses (i.e. fuses are blown) on the chip. Therewith you are correct. Unfortunately I use another programmer, but Michele's suggestion, trying to slow down your CPU or shorten the link cable sounds reasonable. Hope I could help, H.J. Ziegler {Quote hidden}>>1. The Picstart User's Guide doesn't seem to cover what the MPS16B1.exe >>puts on the screen. >> The manual refers to "fuse edit", the program (the version I have >>anyway) refers to "configuration bits". I assume these are the same - are >>they? And what is the "ID Edit" used for (it seems redundant with the >>configuration bits)? > >2. When I program a 16C84, using the Picstart16B1 programmer, the end of >the program sequence pops up two screens - one labeled "Error" and one >labeled "ID Error". The third column in both of these is labeled "bad" and >contains only zeros. Is this the end of a error free program cycle? > >3. If I try the "Verify", or the "Verify Config. Bits Only", or the >"Program Config. Bits Only", I get a Configuration Bits Error screen which >shows settings different than those checked in the "Configuration Bits" >window in the set-up prior to programming. What am I doing wrong? > > I'm looking forward to migrating to the PIC for my hobby robotics projects >- HELP! > >Thanks, > >John-

hello all. We have problems with our picstart 16b1. We can«t program some kinds of pic«s. We work with firmware version 1.4. We hear, that firmware 1.7 can solve this problem. This information we have from the internet. Qur question to microchip have no response. So our question: Does anybody have the firmware 1.7 or a URL to get it. Michael Isermann * BOSCH-Signalbau Huber; Kelterstrasse 67-69; 72669 Unterensingen * Tel.:+ 49 (7 022) 603-153 * Fax: + 49 (7 022) 603-214 * e-Mail: michael.isermannKILLspampcm.bosch.de

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Hi Claudio Rachiele Thanks for responsing. If you don't mind please mail me the link where i can find the datasheet.so if the file is small you can mail it to me Thanks a million regards ----- Original Message ----- From: Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG <@spam@75805312KILLspamIT.IBM.COM> To: <KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 7:44 PM Subject: Re: picstart 16b1 > 78s40. if you want I have the data sheet, but you can download from the NET. > > HTH > > Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG

> PSL wrote: > > Hello everyone > > Can any PICSTART 16b1 owner check for me the part number of IC "U5" on > the board > thanks a million > regards It is a switching regulator, and is quite a complicated little gizmo. Get your calculator out if you want to design with it. Be careful if you alter any parts around this chip on the 16B PCB. They are destroyed easily for the unwary. http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM78S40.html -- Best regards Tony http://www.picnpoke.com Email RemoveMEsalesTakeThisOuTpicnpoke.com

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> > PSL wrote: > > > > Hello everyone > > > > Can any PICSTART 16b1 owner check for me the part number of IC "U5" on > > the board > > thanks a million > > regards > > It is a switching regulator, and is quite a complicated little gizmo. > Get your calculator out if you want to design with it. > > Be careful if you alter any parts around this chip on the 16B PCB. They > are destroyed easily for the unwary. > > http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM78S40.html > I have a tube of tese her in obsolete stock. I have had to replace one in my 16B. I think the Picstart+ also uses it.

lookie here: http://www.interstice.com/~sdattalo/gnupic/ps16b.html --- John Considine <jconsiEraseME.....MAGICNET.NET> wrote: {Quote hidden}> The U5 chip on my PICSTART 16B1 firmware V1.7 is > made by ST with number > HCF4066BE S994B9327 > > PSL wrote: > > > Hello everyone Can any PICSTART 16b1 owner check > for me the part > > number of IC "U5" on the boardthanks a > millionregards > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Ed Edmondson wrote: > > This device is a standard CMOS 4066BE. The ST is from ST Microelectronics > (http://www.st.com). > > Ed The part he's after is that 78S40 (if I'm remembering the p/n properly); 2 rev levels of the 16b1 exist; he has his part number, "move along, folks" <G> 4066's don't have pins labelled "Cathode" and "anode", or "VRef" etc., on their pinout <G> Mark -- I do small package shipping for small businesses, world-wide.