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1998\05\05@110932 by John P. Leonard

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I'll add another no vote to moving the PIClist to the newsgroups.
I have access to the newgroups, but rarely visit; the signal-to-noise is
unacceptably poor.  (I REALLY don't want to buy pictures of someones grand-
mother doing weird things with one of our four-legged friends.)

I, for one, like the diversity of people and projects this list delivers
just the way it is.  It's nearly Spam-free!

John

1998\05\05@114826 by Andres j Ogayar

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-----Mensaje original-----
De: John P. Leonard <spam_OUTleonardTakeThisOuTspamTARDIS.SVSU.EDU>
Para: .....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Fecha: martes 5 de mayo de 1998 17:11
Asunto: Re: move to newsgroup


>I'll add another no vote to moving the PIClist to the newsgroups.
>I have access to the newgroups, but rarely visit; the signal-to-noise is
>unacceptably poor.  (I REALLY don't want to buy pictures of someones grand-
>mother doing weird things with one of our four-legged friends.)
>
I adhere to your position.

>I, for one, like the diversity of people and projects this list delivers
>just the way it is.  It's nearly Spam-free!
>
>John

There are just too many messages per day for me to be updated, but it is
still better than news.

Andres j.

1998\05\05@164852 by Bart Addis

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Hi All,

I'm the one who started the newsgroup vs mailing list thread back up
again, so I see it as my responsibility to kill it.

I agree with the many people who have responded saying that although
it is hard to keep up with the mailing list, it is better to quickly
read through a bunch of emails that are related to PICs than to be
forced to read through a bunch of spam that is, to put it mildly, off
topic.

I also sympathize with the many members of the list who have
email-only access, and thus could not participate if the list were
moved to a newsgroup.  Some people have http blocked by their company,
so they can't even use dejanews.

Most of all I want to thank the people who have made the following
suggestions, most made by email, that I'm sending back to the group
since they've helped me be more productive, and have forever sated my
thirst for a newsgroup:

1) There is a well-known windows newsreader called Agent which, when
configured as a mail reader, will thread the messages as if they are a
newsgroup.  A folder called "inbox" appears in the same window as all
of the subscribed newsgroups.  Very slick.  This product costs $29
from Forte, Inc:

http://www.forteinc.com

The demo version of this product, Free Agent, does not support
SMTP/POP/email, so you've got to buy the full version to try this out.
A bargain at twice the price, IMHO.

A word of warning:  the best way to set this up is to subscribe to the
piclist with an email address other than the one you use for general
email, since the threading works best when only piclist traffic is
coming to the address.  I used an address I have on a client's server
which I never use for anything else, which is ideal.  Note that the
free email from yahoo.com requires you to use their web-based
interface instead of POP, so it won't work.

2) There is a newsgroup, comp.arch.embedded, which actually has a fair
amount of discussion about PICs.  Of course, there is discussion of
other products too, which may be what some people want, and may be
spam to others :-)

news://comp.arch.embedded

The amount of actual spam in this newsgroup is pretty close to zero,
at least on my server.  YMMV.


Cheers,

Bart




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1998\05\06@194941 by Jim Hutchison

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>I'll add another no vote to moving the PIClist to the newsgroups.
>I have access to the newgroups, but rarely visit; the signal-to-noise is
>unacceptably poor.  (I REALLY don't want to buy pictures of someones grand-
>mother doing weird things with one of our four-legged friends.)

>I, for one, like the diversity of people and projects this list delivers
>just the way it is.  It's nearly Spam-free!
>
>John

Add my no vote. I Agree!

Thanks
Jim Hutchison

1998\05\06@222155 by smg

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It is true that some vacuum tubes which are capable of anode voltages of
400 to 500 volts can produce x-ratys.  The first X-ray tube was nothing
more sophistocated than a high voltage diode which could be pumped to
various levels of vaccum and operate at various applied high voltages.  The
device emitted x-rays even if the vacuum was poor, as long as the anode
voltage was high enough to accelerate the litte e's fast enough to strike
their but on the anode with the energy to produce the x-ray.  So, in
theory, the vacuum tube can do this x-ray thing.  BUT!  The circumstances
of wavelength and control require specific anode materials and kinetics and
kinematic circumstances which produce hard, medium, soft rays, etc. which
are really are a complex function of the set of parameters.  With an
excitation high voltage applied to a vacuum tube, say a beam power pentode,
for example, you may ge able to control the acceleration with the control
grid and screen grid bias but you have no control over the elemental
circumstances.  I saw that someone said you were about to venture beyond
the "backyard enterprise".  There is a bit of truth here, perhaps some
experience and no doubt some wisdom.

BUT!!!  I hope you will be neither discouraged nor disuaded from your
venture "into science fiction".  It is a wonderful journey.  GOOD LUCK.
Bon Voyage.

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> From: Jim Hutchison <.....hutchKILLspamspam.....TELENET.NET>
> To: EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: move to newsgroup
> Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 7:43 PM
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> >I'll add another no vote to moving the PIClist to the newsgroups.
> >I have access to the newgroups, but rarely visit; the signal-to-noise is
> >unacceptably poor.  (I REALLY don't want to buy pictures of someones
grand-
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1998\05\07@020029 by William Chops Westfield

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An old "science project" book I read had you make an x-ray emitter from
an ordinary lightbulb, by using the filament as the cathode (very High
voltage supply) and a piece of foil on the outside of the bulb as the
anode/target.  I doubt it was efficient, but I don't doubt that it
produced some xrays.  All you have to do is accelerate those electrons
(any high voltage supply will do) and smash them into something...

(modern lightbulbs aren't high vacuum anymore, are they?  They've got
some sort of inert gas?)

BillW

1998\05\29@131953 by ck \The Notes Guy\ Dickinson

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On Tue, 5 May 1998 18:46:32 GMT, Bart Addis <bartspamspam_OUTFAST.NOSPAM.NET>
wrote:

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I would just like to add my two off-topic cents to this thread.  I use
the commercial version of Agent for news and email, and am very happy
with it.  However, you *can*, very easily, set up "watch filters" that
will move documents from a certain address (actually, with any
specified text in any specified header line) to a specific folder for
you.

I use this to move all of my PICLIST traffic to its own folder, and do
the same with several other mailing lists (all much lower traffic,
however).  It works quite well, and each folder has message threading
just like a newsgroup.

- Rick "Not Free, but quite reasonable" Dickinson

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1998\05\30@022826 by ck \The Notes Guy\ Dickinson

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On Wed, 6 May 1998 22:58:52 PDT, William Chops Westfield
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>(modern lightbulbs aren't high vacuum anymore, are they?  They've got
>some sort of inert gas?)

True...it's due to vapor pressure, believe it or not.

When the filament gets hot, some of the material (do they still use
tungsten?) will vaporize.  Any filament material that vaporizes and
doesn't redeposit on the filament when it cools results in thinner,
weaker portions of the filament, leading to reduced bulb life.

Physical processes like evaporation tend to a dynamic state of
equilibrium.  The "vapor pressure" of atoms leaving the filament is
balanced by the "partial pressure" of atoms running into the filament.
In an initially evacuated bulb, with a filament at a given
temperature, more atoms must leave the filament to build up a
balancing pressure in the bulb than if the bulb were full of some
inert gas in the first place.

Also, within a gas-filled bulb, convection currents can cool the
filament, meaning that a thicker, lower resistance filament must be
used to to get to the same temperature and light output.  Thicker
filaments last longer.

- Rick "Bright Ideas" Dickinson

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1998\05\30@064008 by paulb

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Rick "The Notes Guy" Dickinson wrote:

> Also, within a gas-filled bulb, convection currents can cool the
> filament, meaning that a thicker, lower resistance filament must be
> used to to get to the same temperature and light output.  Thicker
> filaments last longer.

 You are saying that they put gas in the bulb to make it deliberately
*far less efficient*?  Now if that don4t beat all!

 Cheers,
       Paul B.

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