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2000\02\05@162812 by Don McKenzie

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I followed a lead given recently on the Piclist:
register you domain name made easy.
http://www.register.com/
(sorry i deleted the original)

I posted this as info to my dealers, and they threw two hot leads back
at me that i though the members may be interested in.

>From Giovanni my dealer in NZ
http://www.11net.com - an inexpensive (min US$6.95/month)
and apparently rather good ISP
(as reported on the Microsoft Frontpage newsgroups)?

>From Ling my dealer in Malayia
Think this might be the cheapest domain registration around (for US):
http://www.registerfree.com
is US$20.00 per year.
Normal rate is US$70 for 2 years.

Which leaves me with a question:
I just re-registered through official channels a few days ago, how come
it costs a renewal $35, when you can get it for $20 from a third party
company?

Don McKenzie    spam_OUTdonTakeThisOuTspamdontronics.com      http://www.dontronics.com

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2000\02\05@201243 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Internic (the Internet webnames holder) charge you $35 per year to keep
your website name active and reserved only for you.  Once you have this
"registration" at Internic, you can install your webpages at any
webhosting server in the World (their IP address should be communicate
to Internic). Some webhosting companies charge very low price, actually
I am paying $11.95/month, and I just saw a serious company offering
$8.95/month (pay 1 year in advance).

My own experience after 6 different webhosting companies, is that "known
names" and "expensive" is synonym of "high availability".  I am very
disapointed with my actual webhosting, since my website is not available
several hours / week, mostly Saturdays... (they say to be doing
maintenance and physical changes)... on Saturdays? when we have the
great Internet traffic?

So, the Malaysia registration price of $20/year should not be the
Internic cost (Worldwide), but something else, or, your dealer friend
made a wrong money conversion.

:)

Wagner.

Don McKenzie wrote:
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2000\02\05@210056 by Eric Aos

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It is 'Network Solutions' that charges you $35, and acts as the mafia...
I mean middle man to the Internic. There are several other of these
middlemen, Register.com being just one of them. Then as you say your
page can be hosted by an ISP anywhere.

Eric Aos

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2000\02\05@213216 by andy howard

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don McKenzie" <.....donKILLspamspam@spam@DONTRONICS.COM>




> From Ling my dealer in Malayia
> Think this might be the cheapest domain registration around (for US):
> http://www.registerfree.com
> is US$20.00 per year.
> Normal rate is US$70 for 2 years.
>
> Which leaves me with a question:
> I just re-registered through official channels a few days ago, how
come
> it costs a renewal $35, when you can get it for $20 from a third party
> company?

I don't know how InterNIC do their pricing but the UK domain registry
has recently introduced a two-price scheme. If you're a member company
(mostly ISPs and Web Designers) then you get UK domain registration for
UKP 5.00.

Non-members get charged UKP 80.00 AFAIR.

I think this is to simplify billing, better to have a few hundred
companies with accounts that millions of punters sending cheques, credit
card details, cash, pokemon cards etc.

Interesting trading model actually, they must've reduced their costs
significantly by this.

2000\02\06@044113 by Clyde Smith-Stubbs

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On Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 08:24:01AM +1100, Don McKenzie wrote:

> I just re-registered through official channels a few days ago, how come
> it costs a renewal $35, when you can get it for $20 from a third party
> company?

Because there is no longer a single "official" channel. There are now
numerous independent registrars (I use joker.com) and each prices its
services at a level they believe is competitive.

Network Solutions (who *were* the officially appointed registrar) have
made millions of bucks out of domain registrations by having a monopoly.
Competition has brought their prices down, but they still price themselves
at a premium level, trading on their well-known name (as opposed to their
reputation :-)

As an aside, I notice that in the secure server certificate area,
Thawte (the "cheap independent") have merged with ("been taken over by")
Verisign, (the "name-brand").

No doubt the same will happen with domain name registrars, after which the
prices will go up again.

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2000\02\06@091617 by wwl

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On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:24:01 +1100, you wrote:

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One common catch is that they may own the domain, not you, so you have
to pay if you want to move it.
Also I believe if you run a domain name server, you can register
domains very cheaply.  

2000\02\06@181631 by James Cameron

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On Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 02:16:35PM +0000, Mike Harrison wrote:
> Also I believe if you run a domain name server, you can register
> domains very cheaply.

No, not really, but yet partially true.

If you own a domain, example.com, and you decide to run a domain name
server yourself rather than have another company run it for you, then
you can add subdomains at zero cost.  quozl.example.com and so on.

If you have outsourced your domain name server to a supplier, then of
course they might want to be paid for the addition of subdomains.

You can't just run a domain name server in order to register domains,
because you need a domain to start with.

The trick to remember is that a domain has to live somewhere on a domain
name server.  Such a server has to be perpetually available if you want
the domain name to actually work.

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2000\02\07@104740 by jamesnewton

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My understanding on this is the Fed required that the internic deregulate
the domain registration process and open it up to competition. I was under
the impression that the 2 year and $35/per year stuff was based on Fed
requirements or costs, but apparently that was just NetSols standard and not
the Fed's. So now there are a number of registrars who will work on
different terms and for lower costs.

I'll have to check out the other registrars that you mentioned (its a lower
priority for me now as I've already blown my money <GRIN>) but the thing I
really, really liked about register.com was that the web page interface
(vice the email form interface that NetSol uses) is clear, quick and easy to
use.

I've posted what I know at:
http://techref.massmind.org/dns

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2000\02\07@110025 by jamesnewton

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www.register.com
allows you to add tertiary domains at no cost with a simple web page
interface. That's how
http://techref.massmind.org
is going to the current server at 204.210.50.240 and
http://www.massmind.org
is going to the new server at 63.200.216.146 (which will just display a
"Welcome to magicland" message at this point)

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