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'Getting acquainted'
1994\05\11@093219 by byron

'Getting acquainted '
1994\05\11@095743 by John Sevinsky

       Yes I was wondering if someone out there could tell me what I need
to get started in using PIC's.  It would have to be available threw
mailoder, hopefully a 800 number that can deliver in Canada.

       Thanks

               Andre Dault
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       quote of the day:  '640K is more than anyone will ever need...'

Erik Hermann wrote:
>What's up with Microchip ?
>My local distributor told me about 12 weeks delivery time for PIC 16C84 !
>For 16C71 he didn't even know when they will arrive !
>What happened ?

Although Microchip has seen some of the lengthening lead times that are plaguing
the industry, they shouldn't be anywhere near what you are seeing. We still
quote stock to 8 eight weeks on virtually every device (exceptions 16C54A and
16C62X family) with most quotes in the stock to 4 week range - especially for
smaller quantities. C71s and C84s should be stock to 6 weeks depending on
variety.

John Magrane
FAE Bell Industries
Sunnyvale, CA
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 What's the solution anyone?

 Failing that:

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 2) Could someone execute the latest gambling regime leader.

 Open to suggestion though... :-) :-)

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1995\09\22@000349 by Brian Read

1995\09\22@134631 by Stuart Allman

To access the ports you will need to set the appropriate bit in the
STATUS (I think it's bit 5) register so that you are in page 1.  Then set
the appropriate bits in the TRISA, TRISB, or TRISC register to configure the
pin on each port as an input or output (1 for input, 0 for output).  You
should be able to use the picreg.equ file to get the addresses of the registers.
Don't forget to change back to page 0.

Stuart Allman
.....studioKILLspam.....halcyon.com

1995\09\22@163944 by John Payson

The list-server running the PICLIST isn't working properly; for some
reason, it thinks that each message posted to the list is being posted
multiple times.  As a result, it's sending "Rejected Message" messages
back to the sender of each message.

Ignore these messages.  Do NOT re-post your message; if you've gotten
the "Rejected Message" message, it means that one copy has already been
distributed to the list.

If you want proof that your messages are being distributed, send e-mail
to the listserver with the following text in the body of your message:

   set piclist ack repro

Ok?

-Andy

--
Andrew Warren - EraseMEfastfwdspam_OUTTakeThisOuTix.netcom.com
Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California

1995\11\04@043642 by Don McKenzie

On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Andrew Warren wrote:

> The list-server running the PICLIST isn't working properly; for some
> reason, it thinks that each message posted to the list is being posted
> multiple times.  As a result, it's sending "Rejected Message" messages
> back to the sender of each message.
>
> Ignore these messages.  Do NOT re-post your message; if you've gotten
> the "Rejected Message" message, it means that one copy has already been
> distributed to the list.
>
> If you want proof that your messages are being distributed, send e-mail
> to the listserver with the following text in the body of your message:
>
>     set piclist ack repro
>
> Ok?
>
> -Andy

Thanks Andy, I thought we had a pacific oscillation problem down under
here. Thought they (my messages) may be wandering around the world looking
for a place to rest.

Will try the ack text. Ta!.

Don...

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1996\05\24@074600 by Andy David

1996\05\24@075846 by Richard G. Thomas

>
> Are there any resources floating about on how to do this?  The 1994 data
> book only has a very small paragraph on  using the 16C74 in master mode..
>
> It looks - on first reading - that everything has to be done in s/ware - eg
> rotating a register and setting/clearing the TRISC bits to suit.
>
> How do you get the timings right (and provide a clock at the same time)
>
> Are the interrupts (for detection of start and stop bits) only of use when
> receiving data back from the eeprom (and do you have to disable them for
> when the master is talking to the slave??)
>
> You'd think Microchip would give some worked examples!

I think this has been discussed before and master mode doesn't work, but
sofware method (see AN567) works well.

Can anyone tell us why master mode doesn't work or was it some sort of
legel/copyright thing that prevented it being implemented.

Does the hardware work in slave mode? If so does anyone have any example
code?

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1996\05\24@154630 by fastfwd

Jim Main <RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> Are there any resources floating about on how to do this?  The 1994
> data book only has a very small paragraph on  using the 16C74 in
> master mode..
>
> It looks - on first reading - that everything has to be done in
> s/ware - eg rotating a register and setting/clearing the TRISC bits
> to suit.
>
> How do you get the timings right (and provide a clock at the same
> time)
>
> Are the interrupts (for detection of start and stop bits) only of
> use when receiving data back from the eeprom (and do you have to
> disable them for when the master is talking to the slave??)
>
> You'd think Microchip would give some worked examples!

Jim:

They do give examples; you're just looking in the wrong place. Look
in Microchip's "Embedded Control Handbook".

"Getting the timings right" is not an issue; there are no constraints
on the minimum speed of the data transfer, and there's no requirement
for clock pulses to be regularly-spaced.

The interrupts only work when the PIC is operating in slave mode;
they don't help you at all when you're using the PIC in master mode.

-Andy

Andrew Warren - spamBeGonefastfwdspamBeGoneix.netcom.com
Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499

1996\05\26@162050 by fastfwd

Jim Main <TakeThisOuTjmainEraseMEspam_OUTcqm.co.uk> wrote:

> > [Quoting me:]
> > The interrupts only work when the PIC is operating in slave mode;
> > they don't help you at all when you're using the PIC in master
> > mode.
>
> Ha-Harrr! but the 1994 data book (page 2-456) says that "Master mode
> is supported by interrupt generation on the detection of the START
> and STOP conditions.  <cut>
>
> ..so I thought interrupts might be involved somehow..

   Sorry, Jim; my mistake.  I forgot about the Start/Stop Detection
   interrupt flags.

   They don't strike me as being particularly useful, though... Has
   anyone on the list ever saved time or trouble using this
   hardware "support" in a single-Master system?

   -Andy

Andrew Warren - RemoveMEfastfwdTakeThisOuTix.netcom.com
Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499

1996\08\10@021259 by Ray Gardiner

>  I have just tried using the PWM module on the PIC 16c74.
>  Unfortunately I haven't had any positive results.

-- See Sample code at end of message --
>
>Another quick question. Due to the internal hardware setup,
>it would seem to be that one cannot use Timer2 for another
>application if one wants to use RC1 and RC2 as standard I/O
>pins.

I think you can. Timer2 output can drive the SSP baud rate
generate interrupts etc, etc.

>By the way I am using the PWM to control a 12vdc fan speed.
>RC1 will feed a mosfet which switches the negative rail of
>the fan. If anyone is interested I can post the source code.
>

Don't forget the flywheel diode!


------------ Sample PWM Code for the 16c74 --------------

Here is the code that I have used in a couple of
recent applications, two routines here are InitPWM and PWMset.

FREQ    equ     70

; This is written to PR2 to set frequency desired, TMR2
; increments until it reaches PR2 and then resets to 0

; Also need to set prescale bits in T2CON as required
; This divides the clock going into TMR2 so really sets
; the range over which PR2 will adjust the frequency.

; The resolution and frequency are variable over a wide
; range from 4.5bits to 10 bits and from 1Khz to 200Khz
; There is a table in the MicroChip DataBook that describes
; the options, the only thing not really clear from their
; notes is that PR2 can have other values other than FF,7F,5F
; Also if you use prescale other than 1, then the resolution
; drops. I have stuck with 10bit high resolution mode, which
; suits my application. Which required high resolution but
; limits duty cycle.
;

InitPWM

; Initialize the CCP1 counter/timer block to generate
; 10 bit pwm. for this code the actual PWMvalue is 8 bit
; this means maximum duty cycle will be 25%
;

       movlw   b'00000100'     ; timer2 on prescale=1,postscale=1
       movwf   T2CON
       movlw   b'00001100'     ; pwm MODE
       movwf   CCP1CON
       bsf     Status,Pagesel  ; select page 1
       movlw   FREQ            ;
       movwf   PR2             ; set up frequency
       bcf     Status,Pagesel  ; back to page zero
       movlw   0
       movwf   CCPR1L          ; zero to start with
       return

PWMset

; Takes the PWM value in PWMvalue and sets the PWM output
; Preserve PWMvalue, for control routines. So Use a temp
; location to rotate lsb bits out

       movf    PWMvalue,w
       movwf   PWMtemp
       bcf     Status,Carry    ; PWM.8=0
       bcf     CCP1CON,4       ; default PWM.0 to 0
       rrf     PWMtemp,same    ; rotate lsb to carry
       btfsc   Status,Carry    ;
       bsf     CCP1CON,4       ; PWM.0=PWMvalue.0
       bcf     Status,Carry    ; PWM.9=0
       bcf     CCP1CON,5       ; default PWM.1 to 0
       rrf     PWMtemp,same    ; rotate lsb again
       btfsc   Status,Carry    ;
       bsf     CCP1CON,5       ; PWM.1=PWMvalue.1
       movf    PWMtemp,w       ; PWM.(9..2)
       movwf   CCPR1L          ; set PWM output bits 2..9
                               ; on the next cycle
       return



Ray Gardiner, 104 Macintosh Street, Shepparton, Victoria 3630,  Australia
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1996\08\10@024916 by Neil Gandler

Since the 2days that the messages stopped I have been recieving multiple
copies of every message (at first it was 4 copies, now down to 2)

what's happening? am I subscribed twice?
how can I fix it?
can the list maintainer fix it?
is it fixable?
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1996\11\28@025712 by Streicher Louw

I think the phrase "Multiple recipients of list PICLIST" has taken on a new meaning :)

Streicher Louw.
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Since the 2days that the messages stopped I have been recieving multiple
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what's happening? am I subscribed twice?
how can I fix it?
can the list maintainer fix it?
is it fixable?
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'getting lonley'
1996\11\29@062420 by efoc

1996\11\30@163751 by Philippe TECHER

Jean U. Millien wrote:
>
> Fabrmcio Goetz wrote:
> >
> > MICHEAL SMITH wrote:

Now that's a lot of wrotes!!!!!!

{Quote hidden}

> > > From:   pic microcontroller discussion list on behalf of AEISEL System
> > > Administrator
> > > Sent:   Monday, March 10, 1997 7:47 AM
> > > To:     RemoveMEPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> > > Subject:        PLEASE! Get me out of this list.
> > > To the list manteiner.
> > >
> > > Please take me out of this list.
> > > We used to have a dial-up connection to our ISP. We now have a dedicated
> > > line and a full-ip but no dial-in account. The previous mail from this
> > > acount, aeiselSTOPspamspam_OUTesoterica.pt is being forwarded to me. ME, the sysadmin,
> > > and I have no interest in it.
> > > Please provide me contact for the list maintenance people so that I can
> > > get out of this mess.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Daniel Bernardo
> > > Dear Friend,
> > > I wish you well in your endeavor.  I have been trying to get off this list
>  for
> > > about two months with no success (obviously because here I am).  If you

ever
> > > find a way out, please E-mail me with the answer.....
> > > Mike Smith
> >         Dear Mike,
>         I am also trying to get off from this list for about three
months now.
> > If you succeed on getting off please tell me how you did.
> >                 Fabricio Goetz
Why the heck is it so difficult to get off the list?
> Is there anybody watching for UNSUBSCRIBE messages. I need to get off
> too, but the system ignores me...
> JeanM

Have any of you done this?

Print an Ascii dump of your messages returned by the list. Check the
email address that is subscribed. If you have Email aliases or multiple
addresses, you will have to unsubscribe using that address.

I use netscape mailer. In my mail preferences, I can change my Email
address identity to spamBeGonenoddySTOPspamEraseMEtoytown.com if I wish. (perhaps I will soon)
:-)

I'm sure any decent mailer program will have a similar setup.
You need to:

A) Find out what E-mail address is subscribed to the list that is
causing you the problem. (A full Ascii dump of the header of the message
will do this)

B) Unsubscribe using that address.

C) Make sure you send the unsubscribe message to the list server, not
the piclist.

I sent a similar message of assistance only yesterday to this list.

Now, once again, have any of you done this?

Don...

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Send a blank message to EraseMEhelpEraseMEdontronics.com for more info.
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SimmStick(tm) A PIC proto PCB the size of a 30 pin Simm Memory Module.

'Option 2: Getting off the list.'
1997\03\15@084328 by Michael N. Steen

In addition to option 1 the magic words, according to PICLIST REFCARD, is
SIGNOFF PICLIST

Michael

PS.:
By mistake I sent this to the list server and as you can see below it works
all right.

@spam@LISTSERV@spam@spam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU wrote back:
> In addition to option 1 the magic words, according to PICLIST REFCARD, is
Unknown command - "IN". Try HELP.

> SIGNOFF PICLIST
You have been removed from the PICLIST list.

> Michael
Unknown command - "MICHAEL". Try HELP.

Summary of resource utilization
-------------------------------
CPU time:        0.588 sec                Device I/O:      135
Overhead CPU:    0.085 sec                Paging I/O:        2
CPU model:        9121                    DASD model:     3390

'Getting piclist'
1997\03\16@042335 by cotan

'Option 3: Getting off the list.'
1997\03\17@053646 by Wolfram Liebchen

In addition to options 1  and 2:

Could our list maintainer - Jory - remove the ones, who want
to leave and cannot?

Sometimes, it is impossible, if you are no longer able to send mails
under your registered address.

Regards,

Wolfram




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1997\03\17@103126 by Andy Kunz

'Getting piclist'
1997\03\19@085050 by Jim Eller

1997\03\19@094932 by squareone

Jim Eller <.....ellerspam_OUTINETWORLD.NET wrote:
>> I wonder if there is a web page where the piclist messages
>> are available ............

Jim, I just retrieved some PICLIST messages yesterday from the LISTSERV
PICLIST archives.

If you send a message to TakeThisOuTLISTSERV.....TakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU and send the command
INFO REFCARD, you will receive instructions on how to retrieve messages.  I
used the search SEA (search command) to retrieve the messages I needed.  I
received the messages in minutes.  You can also send a mesage INDEX PICLIST
to TakeThisOuTLISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU.  You can order these files with a GET PICLIST
LOGxxx command.

It takes some study and some perseverance, but stick with it.  Good luck.

Wanda @ Square 1

'Option 2: Getting off the list.'
1997\03\25@035953 by mats

Michael N. Steen wrote:
{Quote hidden}

>
> In addition to option 1 the magic words, according to PICLIST REFCARD, is
> SIGNOFF PICLIST
>
> Michael
>
> PS.:
> By mistake I sent this to the list server and as you can see below it works
> all right.
>
> .....LISTSERVRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU wrote back:
> > In addition to option 1 the magic words, according to PICLIST REFCARD, is
> Unknown command - "IN". Try HELP.
>
> > SIGNOFF PICLIST
> You have been removed from the PICLIST list.
>
> > Michael
> Unknown command - "MICHAEL". Try HELP.
>
> Summary of resource utilization
> -------------------------------
>  CPU time:        0.588 sec                Device I/O:      135
>  Overhead CPU:    0.085 sec                Paging I/O:        2
>  CPU model:        9121                    DASD model:     3390

GET ME OFF THE LIST :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::PLEASE

'Getting RS232 serial input working'
1997\03\31@143332 by R. Keeling

I am currently involved in a data logging project that uses a 16C74 to
sample 8 analog
inputs and transmit this data to a computer using RS232.

A have this working using a slightly modified version of the microchip data
sheet "care &
feeding of the PIC" (or something like that) which is available from their
web site.

I now want to get the pic to receive a byte from the RS232 port and output
it on port A,
however I cant get this to happen.

I tried using the file RS232.asm that comes with the PICDEMO - 2 system
(also on the
microchip data CD) this sends / receives / outputs serial data. this works
OK. However when
this code is merged with the rest of my code either nothing works or the
chip ignores RS232.

I would appreciate any comments.

my E-mail address is RemoveMEkeelinrjspamBeGoneeng.derby.ac.uk

Thankyou
Rob Keeling

1997\04\01@144719 by Michael N. Steen

1997\08\06@105303 by Kalle Pihlajasaari

Hi Mike,

> Would love to take some pics of a design and might use a camcorder, but
> I'd love to get higher res pics from some sort of frame grabber.

Check out the Snappy from http://www.PLAY.com

Cheers
--
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1997\08\06@142218 by David W. Duley

1997\08\06@164405 by Don McKenzie

Mike wrote:
>
> Would love to take some pics of a design and might use a camcorder,
> but I'd love to get higher res pics from some sort of frame grabber.

snip-----

> rgds
>
> mike
> Perth, Western Australia

If it's for a PCB design or a PCB design based product Mike, which I'll
assume it is, I have spent a fair amount of time trying to find the best
"Cost Effective" method of getting from design to web page and found
that most domestic video cameras require so much setting up, a lot of
your time vanishes playing around with getting the item into correct
focus, setting up good lighting, checking the output etc.

The smaller it is, the harder to get a good shot. You may have to try
for it outdoors on a sunny day.

I also tried a late model Casio $1000USD digital camera with what I felt
was poor to fair results. Again, the same lighting and focus problems.

I decided to take my PCB treasures to a computer store and see if they
could be scanned in successfully. The best quality output for what I was
trying to do, was achieved with a HP-5P flat bed scanner. No setup,
lighting, or focus problems. You don't even need to save massive amounts
of data on disk as it's so easy to duplicate the shots again, or
attempt to improve them at a later date.

I got the HP mainly because I trust the name and the results were close
to perfect first time. I would think most 24 bit resolution scanners
would give an acceptable result.

The proof?
Have a look at my pics of pics at:
http://www.dontronics.com/index.html
A scanner output.

http://www.dontronics.com/dont/html
The Casio digital Camera output.

and
http://www.dontronics.com/dt205.html
This is a relay board with 4 different types of relays fitted. The
smallest is .25" and the largest 1" high. You can still see the board
tracks even though the flat bed scanner surface is at least an inch from
it.

All of the scanner shots have been reduced in size by 50 to 80%, so a
lot of the detail gets lost. If you only have a small number of products
to show on a Web page, then I guess 100% is fine.

OK, I can't get good 3D shots with a scanner, but I figure an
'any-quality' domestic conventional analog camera and a roll of film
will give me the quality I need to scan the shots at good resolution.

And as a bonus, a scanner is great for those data sheets and mag
articles that are impossible to get. Example:
http://www.dontronics.com/temp
(To say nothing of the family photos to gif conversions, and etc., etc.)

I'm sure other list members will have different opinions.
These are just my findings.

BTW. If your product is in the class of "Planes, Trains, or
Automobiles", get the largest flat bed scanner you can. :-)

Don McKenzie  TakeThisOuTdonspamdontronics.com   http://www.dontronics.com

SimmStick(tm) Atmel & PIC proto PCB's. 30 pin Simm Module Format.
SLI, the serial LCD that auto detects baud rates from 100 to 125K bps.
Send a blank message to infoEraseMEdontronics.com for more details.

1997\08\07@121811 by Mike

1997\08\07@123904 by avrbasic

1997\08\07@162135 by nigelg

In message  <RemoveME3.0.1.16.19970806224451.0df771e6EraseMEspam_OUTmail.wantree.com.au>> @spam@PICLISTRemoveMEEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU writes:

> Would love to take some pics of a design and might use a camcorder, but
> I'd love to get higher res pics from some sort of frame grabber.
>
> Anyone know of a frame grabber which will input colour pictures AND
> software which can read in several pictures of say 320x400 and build
> up a 640x480 still - suitable for web page output of a quality
> comparable to that from a digital camera ?
>
> OR is there a VHS camcorder which has the capability to download higher
> resolution stills AS WELL as taking movies ?

Sony produce Digital Cam-Corders, these have the capability to be connected
to a PC to provide digital stills. Unfortunately they require some kind of
'interface lead', and these are VERY! expensive (as are the cameras!).

Nigel.

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1997\08\08@005946 by Ross McKenzie

At 08:14 AM 8/7/97 GMT, you wrote:
>In message  <@spam@3.0.1.16.19970806224451.0df771e6spam_OUT.....mail.wantree.com.au>> > spamBeGonePICLISTEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU writes:
>
>> Would love to take some pics of a design and might use a camcorder, but
>> I'd love to get higher res pics from some sort of frame grabber.
>>
>> Anyone know of a frame grabber which will input colour pictures AND
>> software which can read in several pictures of say 320x400 and build
>> up a 640x480 still - suitable for web page output of a quality
>> comparable to that from a digital camera ?
>>
>> OR is there a VHS camcorder which has the capability to download higher
>> resolution stills AS WELL as taking movies ?
>
>Sony produce Digital Cam-Corders, these have the capability to be connected
>to a PC to provide digital stills. Unfortunately they require some kind of
>'interface lead', and these are VERY! expensive (as are the cameras!).
>
>Nigel.

We are currently investigating the digital camera market to support inhouse
data sheet production for short run high value equipment that we produce. I
have found a good catalogue of what the market has to offer at
http://www.digital-cameras.com

Regards,

Ross McKenzie
Melbourne Australia

1997\08\08@031631 by Oliver P.

I recomend using the "snappy" from play technologies, it will grab video
and allow you to digitize up to a 1200x 1024 at 24 bit planes, best part is
it costs less then 200.00 us dollars, go to play.com

{Quote hidden}

> > Would love to take some pics of a design and might use a camcorder, but
> > I'd love to get higher res pics from some sort of frame grabber.
> >
> > Anyone know of a frame grabber which will input colour pictures AND
> > software which can read in several pictures of say 320x400 and build
> > up a 640x480 still - suitable for web page output of a quality
> > comparable to that from a digital camera ?
> >
> > OR is there a VHS camcorder which has the capability to download higher
> > resolution stills AS WELL as taking movies ?
>
> Sony produce Digital Cam-Corders, these have the capability to be

connected
> to a PC to provide digital stills. Unfortunately they require some kind
of
> 'interface lead', and these are VERY! expensive (as are the cameras!).
>
> Nigel.
>
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1997\08\11@052253 by Keith Dowsett

At 10:28 06/08/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all, (A real quick query to an off topic item)
>
>Would love to take some pics of a design and might use a camcorder, but
>I'd love to get higher res pics from some sort of frame grabber.
>
>Anyone know of a frame grabber which will input colour pictures AND
>software which can read in several pictures of say 320x400 and build
>up a 640x480 still - suitable for web page output of a quality
>comparable to that from a digital camera ?
>
>OR is there a VHS camcorder which has the capability to download higher
>resolution stills AS WELL as taking movies ?
>
>rgds
>
>mike
>Perth, Western Australia

Hi Mike,

 I know this isn't really answering you question, but why not use a
conventional camera and get the results on photo-CD. I guess it'll cost
around 40$ for the first batch and around 15$ for each subsequent write
(based on the UK prices). It offers much better resolution providing you
already own a camera.

Just a thought,

Keith.
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1997\08\11@124619 by Mike

1997\08\12@225135 by Scott Stephens

'Someone interested in getting into PICs.'
1997\08\28@215914 by Herbert Graf

'Yeeeeehah! - 50MHz 16C5X clones ! (getting [OT], t'
1997\08\31@170932 by William Chops Westfield

  Are'nt you then limiting the current capability of the reg?
                       Ian Douglas

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, ERIC SCHLAEPFER wrote:

{Quote hidden}

>      Hello,
>
>      I also have started working with PICs recently. After browsing around
>      the internet for a while, I decided to start with the PIC16C84. I
>      found a good, cheap programmer with only 8 components at
>      "http://www.isc-durant.com/nolan/article.htm".
>
>      The only confusing part of the programmer design is the input supply
>      voltage. I am currently using approx. 13.5 VDC from a "fooled" 7812
>      12VDC regulator. Just stick an LED's positive terminal to the
>      regulator's ground, and the negative terminal to the true ground and
>      you will get the higher voltage.
>
>      The page has just about everything else you need to program this
>      controller.
>
>      Good luck,
>
>      Eric Schlaepfer
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator

_________________________________
{Quote hidden}

> Subject: Someone interested in getting into PICs.
> Author:  Herbert Graf <.....bn821RemoveMETORFREE.NET> at INTERNET
> Date:    8/28/97 9:46 PM
>
>
>     Frankly, I have had enough with dedicated chips and have decided to get
> into microcontrollers, after alot of reading I have decided the 16 series of
> PICs would be best for my purposes, hence adding myself to this group! :)
> Anyways, I want to get started as cheaply as possible, but also as quickly
> as possible. I
> am wondering what you all recommend for a programmer. Electronics Now
> magazine has one in it's Jan 94 issue that seems OK, except I need a
> programmed PIC to begin programming PICs, notice the paradox! I am going to
> go around tomorrow asking how much it would cost to get the PIC programmed
> so I will probably go that way, but I figured it would be better to ask here
> first for your opinions. What do you recommend? I want to build it myself,
> mainly for cost. I would love to find a programmer out there that doesn't
> need a programmed chip to use. I have found one that uses the PCs parrallel
> port, but it is kinda old and the parts would be really hard for me to find.
> Thank you all for any advice in this area. TTYAL
>

1997\09\02@091310 by paulb

1997\09\02@122750 by ERIC SCHLAEPFER

    I suppose so, but the voltage is enough to trigger the PIC program
    mode, and it works, so I don't really need to worry about that. One
    could probably use some sort of power rectifier, or a resistor if it
    provides the voltage drop.

    Eric


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Someone interested in getting into PICs.
Author:  Ian Raymond Douglas <.....irdSTOPspam@spam@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au> at INTERNET
Date:    9/2/97 2:19 PM


  Are'nt you then limiting the current capability of the reg?
                       Ian Douglas

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, ERIC SCHLAEPFER wrote:

{Quote hidden}

>      Hello,
>
>      I also have started working with PICs recently. After browsing around
>      the internet for a while, I decided to start with the PIC16C84. I
>      found a good, cheap programmer with only 8 components at
>      "http://www.isc-durant.com/nolan/article.htm".
>
>      The only confusing part of the programmer design is the input supply
>      voltage. I am currently using approx. 13.5 VDC from a "fooled" 7812
>      12VDC regulator. Just stick an LED's positive terminal to the
>      regulator's ground, and the negative terminal to the true ground and
>      you will get the higher voltage.
>
>      The page has just about everything else you need to program this
>      controller.
>
>      Good luck,
>
>      Eric Schlaepfer
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator

_________________________________
{Quote hidden}

> Subject: Someone interested in getting into PICs.
> Author:  Herbert Graf <bn821EraseME@spam@TORFREE.NET> at INTERNET
> Date:    8/28/97 9:46 PM
>
>
>     Frankly, I have had enough with dedicated chips and have decided to get
> into microcontrollers, after alot of reading I have decided the 16 series of
> PICs would be best for my purposes, hence adding myself to this group! :)
> Anyways, I want to get started as cheaply as possible, but also as quickly
> as possible. I
> am wondering what you all recommend for a programmer. Electronics Now
> magazine has one in it's Jan 94 issue that seems OK, except I need a
> programmed PIC to begin programming PICs, notice the paradox! I am going to
> go around tomorrow asking how much it would cost to get the PIC programmed
> so I will probably go that way, but I figured it would be better to ask here
> first for your opinions. What do you recommend? I want to build it myself,
> mainly for cost. I would love to find a programmer out there that doesn't
> need a programmed chip to use. I have found one that uses the PCs parrallel
> port, but it is kinda old and the parts would be really hard for me to find.
> Thank you all for any advice in this area. TTYAL
>

> We converted an old static logic module to a PIC16C57 last year and sent
to a
> test house for EMC compliance testing this consisted of 8Kv air discharge
to
> the case of the equipment and exposure to RF field to 30V per meter.

Well, if we're getting into old war stories.
I worked on an industrial control system that had noise immunity as #1 on
the design goals as the previous model was starting to get a reputation.
When it was finished (it flew through the compliance testing) we could run
a 6" spark down the casing or discharge directly onto the RS232 pins.
The test I was most proud of, was applying 240V to the comms pins, blowing
up the interface itself, but the CPU still didn't miss a tick.
This was a pretty dense 4"x6" PCB with SMD on both sides and the serial
interface on the same PCB (about 2" from the CPU). It had memory mirroring
which would halt the system if it detected a fault as would the latching
watchdog.
And not a single opto in sight.
I designed it, and I still don't believe it.

======================================================
 Very funny Scotty.  Now beam down my clothes.
======================================================
Steve Baldwin                Electronic Product Design
TLA Microsystems Ltd         Microcontroller Specialists
PO Box 15-680                email: RemoveMEstevebspamBeGonekcbbs.gen.nz
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'Code Examples (getting [ot] )'
1997\10\31@060737 by Mike Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Reinagel <spamBeGonedaverKILLspam@spam@AUSPEX.COM>
To: PICLISTspam_OUT@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <spamBeGonePICLIST@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Friday, 31 October 1997 4:32
Subject: Re: Code Examples

<snip>

>Well, I work from a Sun workstation for all my e-mail, and it is a big
>hassle to unzip a file, or decode anything other than uuencoded files.
>I have liked the fact that most everything on the PIC list has been
>immediately readable.


So the powerful Sun workstations don't automagically read whatever format
the attachment is in?  <g>
WinZip will write tar uuencoded files.  Is that OK?

MikeS
<RemoveMEmikesmith_ozEraseMEKILLspamrelaymail.net>

'Getting config bit in JEDEC file'
1997\10\31@161328 by Gary Marten

Wayne Foletta wrote:

>Mike Keitz is right on the fundamentals of simple resampling - linear
>interpolation does work. You only need to use more complex DSP routines
>if you want to account for sampling aperture (sinc 1/fs rolloff) and
>sample resolution. If the human eye is the observer, 8 bits and linear
>resampling is transparent


Surely the ideal way to do a general resample of the data is via Fourier
Transforms? A fourier transform of your n sample points gives you the
amplitudes of the n/2 freqencies the data contains. You can regenerate data
between samples by summing the sine and cosine values of each of these
freqencies at the given time you need a new data-point.

The fourier transform contains ALL the information contained in the
original data, so what you regenerate will be (calculation accuracy
permitting) as correct as it can be.

So each time you want to shuffle the data down the buffer, you need to do
an FT and an inverse FT (lots of trig calculations for each point.) The
Fast Fourier algorithm will simplify the first part (anyone implemented an
FFT on a PIC?). You might speed up the second part with trig look-up tables.

I think this is going to be SLOW.

I also think that any other resampling approach MUST fail, because other
interpolation methods will introduce contributions that are not present in
the data (like aliasing errors). After a few shuffles, this random garbage
will swamp the original data. (Even with FFT's your rounding errors are
cumulative.) The samples representing early data in your buffer (the ones
that have been shuffled the most) will bear no resemblance to the original
data. Very pretty, but worse than useless because they will be misleading.

There is a more general problem with data sampling:

Unfortunately, with a small fixed number (n) of samples you can only keep
information about a small (n/2) fixed number of freqencies in your data.
These will be equally spaced in the spectrum up to half your sampling rate.
Clearly you want to stop sampling before the highest frequency contained in
the data (half the current sampling rate) falls below the highest frequency
you're interested in. You won't know when this is, unless you already know
something about the data. But if you already know what freqencies you want
to sample you can just pick the right sampling rate from the start! If you
don't know anything about the data (frequency-wise) then you can NEVER be
sure that you've sampled at a freqency that captures the features you might
be looking for.

Any comments anyone?


Alec


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1997\11\06@174210 by Steve Baldwin

> >Mike Keitz is right on the fundamentals of simple resampling - linear
> >interpolation does work. You only need to use more complex DSP routines
> >if you want to account for sampling aperture (sinc 1/fs rolloff) and
> >sample resolution. If the human eye is the observer, 8 bits and linear
> >resampling is transparent
>
>
> Surely the ideal way to do a general resample of the data is via Fourier
> Transforms?
>
> Any comments anyone?

It would be interesting to hear a bit more about the original problem. The
statements from yourself & Mike are quite valid in themselves. However, if
the original intention was to have half a dozen temperature samples in a
12C508, a Fourier transform to reconstruct the data and deconvolution to
remove the aperture error may not be an appropriate solution.

It may (or may not) be OT for the original question, but since Microchip
have app notes on FFT, IMHO it is still within the realms of PICism. (I
couldn't say it would be my first choice though).

Steve.

======================================================
 Very funny Scotty.  Now beam down my clothes.
======================================================
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TLA Microsystems Ltd         Microcontroller Specialists
PO Box 15-680                email: .....stevebRemoveMEkcbbs.gen.nz
New Lynn, Auckland           ph  +64 9 820-2221
New Zealand                  fax +64 9 820-1929
======================================================

'getting your e-mail'
1997\11\14@194728 by david

Dear ?,
I am getting your e-mail. It has only happened since 11/13/97. I have
rather alot of it. I am unsure whether it is just mirrored to me or if
you are not getting it. I've not throuwn any of it away. Most of it is
computer related, contact me if you would like me to forward it.

david@spam@gain-ny.com

1997\12\03@153941 by Aydin Yesildirek

1997\12\03@162915 by WF AUTOMACAO

1997\12\03@162923 by WF AUTOMACAO

1997\12\03@171610 by Don McKenzie

WF AUTOMACAO wrote:
>
> Fredrik Strand wrote:
> >
> > Do anyone know where I can find some litrature to get started  with
> > programming pic ?
> >
> > Regards ,
> >
> > Fredrik Strand
>
> PicNpoke, PIC Visual Programming, are good options!
>
> MigueL.

http://www.dontronics.com/picnpoke.html
may be what you need.

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1997\12\03@184600 by Justin Crooks

Try Easy Pic'n and Pic'n Up The Pace, for starters.  Easy reading.  Then
use the PIC's data book as reference.  These books are from Square1.
E-mail squareonespamzapcom.net for more info.  Excellent books.

----------
{Quote hidden}

> From: Fredrik Strand <spam_OUTFredrikSspam_OUTspam_OUTSTUD.IET.HIST.NO>
> To: PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Help getting started
> Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 2:12 PM
>
> Do anyone know where I can find some litrature to get started  with
> programming pic ?
>
> Regards ,
>
> Fredrik Strand

1997\12\03@214334 by patrick_roberts

1997\12\04@044622 by wkysag

1998\01\18@030643 by anick

1998\01\20@121850 by )

Alan Nickerson Wrote:

> I received one of our units back from a customer of ours abd the pic
> was
> completly destroyed. The location where the die is/was was all burned
> and such. It is suspected of being put in a mircowave oven.
>
To give you an alternate view on that failure mode, I have an old and
used digital panel meter from a batch that I picked up at a hamfest some
years back. There's a 7474 on the front PCB with the LEDs. As I was
testing them out I noticed that this one would work fine for about five
minutes or so and then call it quits. The die area of the 7474 gets so
hot that it actually blows a bubble on the plastic package! Let it cool
down and it will work again. It seems odd that it would work at all with
some sort of defect that would get the chip that hot. Too much trouble
to get the thing apart to find the problem. I haven't blown a bubble
with a PIC, but I have had one (due to an oops of a wiring error) get
hot enough that I managed to burn my finger on it (badly). After I
corrected my oops and it cooled down, I continued to use it as my
development PIC without any problems.

-Frank


Frank Richterkessing

RemoveMEFRANK.RICHTERKESSINGKILLspam@spam@APPL.GE.COM

1998\01\20@232602 by anick

Well The PIC in this case go so hot that the case is missing around the
die area. You can actually see the the die or whats left of it.
I forgot to take the board to work so I could get a picture of it. I'll
try and do it tomorrow.


Richterkessing, Frank H (GEA, 055132) wrote:
{Quote hidden}

>
> Alan Nickerson Wrote:
>
> > I received one of our units back from a customer of ours abd the pic
> > was
> > completly destroyed. The location where the die is/was was all burned
> > and such. It is suspected of being put in a mircowave oven.
> >
> To give you an alternate view on that failure mode, I have an old and
> used digital panel meter from a batch that I picked up at a hamfest some
> years back. There's a 7474 on the front PCB with the LEDs. As I was
> testing them out I noticed that this one would work fine for about five
> minutes or so and then call it quits. The die area of the 7474 gets so
> hot that it actually blows a bubble on the plastic package! Let it cool
> down and it will work again. It seems odd that it would work at all with
> some sort of defect that would get the chip that hot. Too much trouble
> to get the thing apart to find the problem. I haven't blown a bubble
> with a PIC, but I have had one (due to an oops of a wiring error) get
> hot enough that I managed to burn my finger on it (badly). After I
> corrected my oops and it cooled down, I continued to use it as my
> development PIC without any problems.
>
> -Frank
>
> Frank Richterkessing
>
> FRANK.RICHTERKESSINGspamBeGone.....APPL.GE.COM

1998\01\21@053734 by Steve Lawther

    Sounds like the PIC got into latch-up somehow, and the Ni-Cad's low
    impedance help the PIC into oblivion. I've no idea what impedance a
    latched up PIC has, but it must be sub-ohm. What size Nicads were
    they?
   
       Steve Lawther


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject:      Re: Getting a PIC really HOT!! or What will make a PIC
Author:  MIME:KILLspamanick.....IVERSOFT.COM at INTERNET-HUSKY
Date:    21/01/98 08:26


Well The PIC in this case go so hot that the case is missing around the
die area. You can actually see the the die or whats left of it.
I forgot to take the board to work so I could get a picture of it. I'll
try and do it tomorrow.
   
   
Richterkessing, Frank H (GEA, 055132) wrote:
{Quote hidden}

>
> Alan Nickerson Wrote:
>
> > I received one of our units back from a customer of ours abd the pic
> > was
> > completly destroyed. The location where the die is/was was all burned
> > and such. It is suspected of being put in a mircowave oven.
> >
> To give you an alternate view on that failure mode, I have an old and
> used digital panel meter from a batch that I picked up at a hamfest some
> years back. There's a 7474 on the front PCB with the LEDs. As I was
> testing them out I noticed that this one would work fine for about five
> minutes or so and then call it quits. The die area of the 7474 gets so
> hot that it actually blows a bubble on the plastic package! Let it cool
> down and it will work again. It seems odd that it would work at all with
> some sort of defect that would get the chip that hot. Too much trouble
> to get the thing apart to find the problem. I haven't blown a bubble
> with a PIC, but I have had one (due to an oops of a wiring error) get
> hot enough that I managed to burn my finger on it (badly). After I
> corrected my oops and it cooled down, I continued to use it as my
> development PIC without any problems.
>
> -Frank
>
> Frank Richterkessing
>
> spam_OUTFRANK.RICHTERKESSINGKILLspamAPPL.GE.COM
   

-snip-
>This would allow easy re-downloading of any file should your internet
>service provider drop out, instead of having to start at the very beginning
>trying to re-download one massive file.

Getright is a neat program that can fetch (multiple) files, and if
interrupted, it can resume from where it was instead of starting from the
beginning. (most servers support resume)
You can also schedule automatic dial-download-hangup to low-cost time.

http://www.getright.com

/Morgan
/  Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, SE-277 35 KIVIK, Sweden \
\  RemoveMEmrtRemoveMEEraseMEiname.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax +46 (0)414 70331    /

1998\04\15@112509 by Alvaro Deibe Diaz

You can try "Net Vampire" as well. This program would do the download for you,
and retry whenever necessary. I use it. You can find it at:

http://kulichki.rambler.ru/~vampire/


-----Mensaje original-----
De:     Morgan Olsson [SMTP:KILLspammrtspamBeGoneINAME.COM]
Enviado el:     miercoles 15 de abril de 1998 8:22
Para:   PICLISTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Asunto: Getting large files (Was MPLAB 3.32.18)

-snip-
>This would allow easy re-downloading of any file should your internet
>service provider drop out, instead of having to start at the very beginning
>trying to re-download one massive file.

Getright is a neat program that can fetch (multiple) files, and if
interrupted, it can resume from where it was instead of starting from the
beginning. (most servers support resume)
You can also schedule automatic dial-download-hangup to low-cost time.

http://www.getright.com

/Morgan
/  Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, SE-277 35 KIVIK, Sweden \
\  RemoveMEmrtspamBeGoneRemoveMEiname.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax +46 (0)414 70331    /

1998\04\15@143203 by rank A. Vorstenbosch

Morgan Olsson wrote:
>
> -snip-
> >This would allow easy re-downloading of any file should your internet
> >service provider drop out, instead of having to start at the very beginning
> >trying to re-download one massive file.
>
> Getright is a neat program that can fetch (multiple) files, and if
> interrupted, it can resume from where it was instead of starting from the
> beginning. (most servers support resume)
> You can also schedule automatic dial-download-hangup to low-cost time.
>
> http://www.getright.com

How about wget -- it's free, and runs on any real operating system (i.e.
UNIXes).  Also does recursive web-site downloads.  Schedule using cron.
Wget doesn't have a DNS entry, though :-)

Frank
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To fellow members of PICLIST:

A couple of questions:

Andrew Errington (homepage is
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaame/pic/pic.htm) has put together a
schematic and photo showing his implementation of the PIC programmer
that Microchip drew up in their application note AN589.  This programmer
was designed to work with the PIC16C84.

Since this time, Microchip is trying to kill off the PIC16C84 and go to
the PIC16F84.  Does anyone know the following:


1) Will this programmer work with the 16F84 as well as the 16C84?
2) Does his Windows-based software (available as file PROG84.ZIP from
his home page) work for Windows 95, as well?

If this qualifies as a Frequently Asked Question, is there some central
archive for this mailing list?  Where is it located?


Regards,


Kelly Schauf
@spam@k3jschSTOPspam@spam@hotmail.com


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1998\09\19@032745 by paulb

'[OT] Help getting Murata gyro'
1998\09\22@140437 by Nicholas Irias

1998\09\22@143516 by Peter L. Peres

1998\10\03@085255 by g.daniel.invent.design

'Getting Microchip CDROM in Germany'
1998\10\16@082159 by n M. Ranguelov

'PB, SIOC to DIP? and Re: Getting started... wher'
1998\12\07@025112 by Eric Borcherding

'Getting started... where to buy'
1998\12\08@140920 by uter van ooijen / floortje hanneman

'Getting PICLIST- emails to the special directory'
1998\12\22@123809 by raunila

1998\12\22@125458 by raunila

-----Original Message-----
From:   raunila [SMTP:juhani.raunilaspamBeGonespamBeGonepp.phnet.fi]
Sent:   22. joulukuuta 1998 19.31
To:     'spamBeGonePICLISTMITVMA.MIT.EDU'
Subject:        Getting PICLIST- emails to the special directory

Hello everybody!
Could anybody tell me a way how is it possible to guide emails coming for instance from PICLIST just to the special directory you self have ordered. I have Microsoft Outlook 97, and I get over 400 emails in a week and I have difficulties to pick and to select the most important emails among from not so very important emails.

1998\12\22@130704 by Ohtsji, Randie

For Outlook97, I use the Inbox Asssistant (under Tools) and use the rule:
Sent To:spam_OUTPICLISTSTOPspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU to move it to my folder called Piclist.

Randie
RemoveMErandie.ohtsjispamglenayre.com


> {Original Message removed}

1998\12\22@131537 by Rivoir Robert

Hello

You can create a new folder with menu File - New - Folder  {Piclist_Folder}

Use the Tools - InBox Assistant to Add RuleÊ: For All message sent to
TakeThisOuTPICLISTspamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU, MoveTo {Piclist_Folder}

Regards
Robert

       {Original Message removed}

1998\12\22@140458 by Terrance Smith

How would I do this using Netscape mail 4.06

Ohtsji, Randie wrote:
>
> For Outlook97, I use the Inbox Asssistant (under Tools) and use the rule:
> Sent To:KILLspamPICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU to move it to my folder called Piclist.
>
> Randie
> randie.ohtsjiRemoveMEglenayre.com
>
> > {Original Message removed}

1998\12\22@145255 by Ohtsji, Randie

I dunno about Netsape 4.06, but for version 4.04 choose Mail Filters under
Edit.  Choose New Filter and set up something similar.

Randie
EraseMErandie.ohtsjiSTOPspamRemoveMEglenayre.com


> {Original Message removed}

1998\12\22@163813 by Arthur Bailey

>Hello everybody!
>Could anybody tell me a way how is it possible to guide emails coming for
>instance from PICLIST just to the special directory you self have ordered.
I have >Microsoft Outlook 97, and I get over 400 emails in a week and I have
difficulties to >pick and to select the most important emails among from not
so very important >emails.

My version of Outlook may be older than yours, but I suspect that the
procedure is similar. First create a new e-mail directory. Then in the Tools
... Inbox Assistant, select Add. When the dialog box for the message filter
comes up, enter spam_OUTPICLISTRemoveMEEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU in the "To:" field. In the action
section, select "Move To" and select the new e-mail folder that you created.
That's it - select OK and you should be all set.

Hope this helps.

1998\12\22@173018 by Mark Willis

In InBox:  Go to Edit / Mail Filters / New, I named mine "_PicList", I
use the rule: If (To or CC) of the message (contains)
(TakeThisOuTPICLISTRemoveME@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU), then (move to folder) (_PicList)
Filter is ( ) Off (*) On.
 Click on OK, and it'll start filtering (Don't forget to go in & view
the messages on occasion <G>)

 BTW if your index of that folder gets corrupted for whatever reason,
just shut down NetScape, go to the mail directory, and delete
_PicList.SNM (Foldername.SNM actually, whatever works for you.)  Next
time you go into that folder with your mail program, it'll have to
rebuild the index (takes a bit) but then you can get AT the newer
messages (You know it's corrupted when you try to read a message and
then jumps to an older message for you, or the middle of an older
message.)  You do lose "New" and "Red Flag" markings on what you had
marked as such when you do this (I compensate by leaving messages read
when I've read them, anything UNread is therefore new!)  And your system
may not have the problems this machine gives me (I need to get my other
machine up & working, it lost an HDD though.)

 Mark, EraseMEmwillisRemoveMEnwlink.com

Terrance Smith wrote:
{Quote hidden}

>
> How would I do this using Netscape mail 4.06
>
> Ohtsji, Randie wrote:
> >
> > For Outlook97, I use the Inbox Asssistant (under Tools) and use the rule:
> > Sent To:spamPICLIST.....spamMITVMA.MIT.EDU to move it to my folder called Piclist.
> >
> > Randie
> > randie.ohtsjispam_OUT@spam@glenayre.com
> >

> > > {Original Message removed}

1998\12\23@105458 by paulb

1998\12\23@142830 by Mark Willis

Just hit the big 4 0 today.

Does this mean I can retire :-)

--
Best regards

Tony

Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools.
** NEW PicNPro Programmer and Port Interface **

http://www.picnpoke.com
Email .....picnpokespam.....cdi.com.au

1999\01\25@004138 by Regulus Berdin

Hi all,

I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?
I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately I was still a
baby.

BTW, I am still 26 :).

regards,
Reggie

Tony Nixon wrote:
{Quote hidden}

>
> Just hit the big 4 0 today.
>
> Does this mean I can retire :-)
>
> --
> Best regards
>
> Tony
>
> Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools.
> ** NEW PicNPro Programmer and Port Interface **
>
> http://www.picnpoke.com
> Email picnpokeKILLspamEraseMEcdi.com.au

1999\01\25@024837 by Glenville T. Sawyer

1999\01\25@063318 by Ken Johnson

Right on Glen, I hit the big five-0 just before christmas and can confirm
life just keeps getting better!!

Cheers, (and long time no see- ex vk5ken) Ken, EraseMEvk7krj@spam@@spam@southcom.com.au

> BTW   I am rapidly approaching 49 - and I am convinced that "life"
actually
>begins at 50 !!!
>
>       Glenville.
>

1999\01\25@065812 by g.daniel.invent.design

1999\01\25@071854 by Roberto Marchini

1999\01\25@075049 by Caisson

> Van: Regulus Berdin <@spam@rberdinspamKILLspamBIGFOOT.COM>
> Aan: spamBeGonePICLISTRemoveMEEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Onderwerp: Re: OT: getting on
> Datum: maandag 25 januari 1999 6:42
>
> Hi all,

Hello Regulus,

> I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?
> I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately I was still a
> baby.
>
> BTW, I am still 26 :).

I'm still 26 too ... For the last 11 years ;-)

Greetz,
 Rudy Wieser

1999\01\25@082415 by Thomas McGahee

1999\01\25@084523 by Reginald Neale

1999\01\25@092852 by ryan pogge

im 18
----- Original Message -----
From: Reginald Neale <RemoveMEnealeKILLspamRemoveMESERVTECH.COM>
To: <TakeThisOuTPICLISTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: OT: getting on


{Quote hidden}

>>Hi all,
>>
>>I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?
>>I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately I was still a
>>baby.
>>
>>BTW, I am still 26 :).
>>
>>regards,
>>Reggie
>>
>
>  I'd make a wild uninformed guess that the average age is in the
>  thirties or forties somewhere, but there is an enormous range.
>
>  I turned (2^6)-1 last Christmas day and I'm certainly not
>  the oldest one.
>
>  The Other Reggie

1999\01\25@094425 by robert a. moeser

Tony Nixon <spamBeGoneTony.NixonKILLspamTakeThisOuTENG.MONASH.EDU.AU> wrote:

>Just hit the big 4 0 today.

>Does this mean I can retire :-)

hmmm, if that's #040h mebbe we'll let you.

-- rob, still in his 20s (#02Bh!)

1999\01\25@095229 by Joe and Pam

'Re[2]: OT: getting on'
1999\01\25@100450 by Wolfgang Kynast

'OT: getting on'
1999\01\25@102707 by keithh

1999\01\25@103707 by Andy David

I'm approximately (2^5)-pi, but feeling more like pi*2^5, at the moment...


- Andy.

----------------------------------------------------------
Andrew David, Software Manager, Ultronics Ltd, Cheltenham.
EraseMEakdavid.....KILLspamUltronics.co.uk          http://www.ultronics.com/
----------------------------------------------------------

1999\01\25@111145 by Lynx {Glenn Jones}

1999\01\25@112821 by Fansler, David

I am 48, heading to 49 in March.  Have yet to program a PIC, but I am
working on a solar powered lawn mower that will run autonomously with a
17C44 as the controller.

As some others have mentioned "the golden days of the 70's", I started off
with an 1802 ELF built via a Popular Electronics series.  Programming was
done via 8 toggle switches that you entered op codes by.  I was really
uptown when I added a hex keypad - it was easier to use than the toggle
switches.  Ran that computer for several years.  Then got my big break when,
as electronic technician for a reference lab, I built a data collection box
that cost about $6K less than what they were buying a used unit of older
technology for.  I got my first 1802 assembler then, and thought "gee - this
thing slows me down!"  I knew the op codes well enough that I could write
code faster than writing assembler and compiling the source.  Eventually I
did switch.  I stayed with the 1800's series through my last design job.

Most all of my prototypes were done with a Vector wire wrap pencil that uses
a #36 wire with a special insulation.  You wire the board, and then solder
the connections.  The insulation evaporates a 750 degrees, leaving bare
copper that soldered nicely.  They quite marketing this after a few years,
but I bought enough wire to last me a while!

David V. Fansler
Network Administrator
AutoCyte, Inc.
800-426-2176 Ext. 261
spamdfanslerautocyte.com <dfanslerSTOPspamautocyte.com>
Now Showing! http://www.mindspring.com/~dfansler
Opinions Expressed Within Are Mine And May Not Reflect Those Of My Employer

1999\01\25@143520 by Kelly J. Kohls

>Hi all,
>
>I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?
>I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately I was still a
>baby.
>
>BTW, I am still 26 :).
>
>regards,
>Reggie

I turned 33 on January 21st.

Kelly Kohls
Amateur Radio Callsign: N5TLE
Email Address: kkohlsSTOPspamKILLspamjuno.com
Homepage URL: http://www.qsl.net/n5tle/

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1999\01\25@145241 by kfisk

That's the beauty of the Internet. Who cares how old you are! It's the
exchange of information that's important.

Cheers,

Kevin

{Quote hidden}

> >Hi all,
> >
> >I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?
> >I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately I
> was still a
> >baby.
> >
> >BTW, I am still 26 :).
> >
> >regards,
> >Reggie
>
> I turned 33 on January 21st.
>
> Kelly Kohls
> Amateur Radio Callsign: N5TLE
> Email Address: @spam@kkohls.....spamjuno.com
> Homepage URL: http://www.qsl.net/n5tle/
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
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> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at
> http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
> or call Juno at (800)
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>

1999\01\25@161347 by

1999\01\25@170156 by Glen Torr

1999\01\25@170817 by Sean Breheny

I'm another one who didn't know the seventies at all, except what I could
sense prenatally. Born Jan 8, 1980, so 0x13 years old.

I am especially curious how many people there are in my age group on the
list. So far, more than I expected.

At 09:00 AM 1/26/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Howdy All,
>
>>>Hi all, I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?
>>>I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately I was still a
>>>baby. BTW, I am still 26 :). regards, Reggie.

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1999\01\25@173932 by Herbert Graf

1999\01\25@180417 by andre

1999\01\25@184819 by Ohtsji, Randie

1999\01\25@200105 by dporter

Hi all,
I can remember in high school seeing articles about fluidics.  You could
machine a thin piece of metal or plastic and make a flip flop out of it.
You could make a whole slew of flip flops in less volume than a drafting
eraser.  Obviously, with this level of miniaturization, the future of
electronics was limited.

You could buy a Nuvistor that was only a little bigger than a transistor.
Yes, you could still get the good old Raytheon CK-722 transistor.  Never
could get one of them to work. Selenium diodes were everywhere, silicon
diodes could be had if you could afford them and didn't want very high
PIV's.  Electrolytic capacitors leaked...physically not necessarily
electrically.  Tunnel diodes were written about in Scientific American.
Time was being kept on battery-powered  transistor-driven tuning forks
otherwise known as Bulova Accutrons.  You could still buy "B" batteries, 90
to 125 volts, for "portable" radios.  Vibrators, not what you think, were
still around as replacement parts to switch the 6 volt auto electric
circuits through a transformer to generate the B+.

A key troubleshooting tool was available from RCA.  It looked like a wooden
pencil with two large erasers at right angles to the pencil, a little like
a two headed hammer.  It was used to tap on tubes and see which ones
sparked, or flashed or otherwise failed.  This test was the second or third
thing you tried in troubleshooting...never fourth!  Portable meters were
invariably volt-ohm-meters.  Cheap ones were 1000 ohms per volt, expensive
ones were 20000.  Vacuum Tube Volt Meters (VTVM's) were as accurate as
anyone needed and they had an input resistance of 11 M ohms.

The calculator you used was often referred to as a "sly drool",
"slipstick", or even an analog computer.  Heathkit sold an analog computer
for around $700, mostly to schools.

By the way, I'm 52.  Born the same year as the transistor, and the first
oil well drilled by the US in Iran.  And somehow, I feel like I'm just a
baby.  I used to have a collection of QST magazines going back to the
1940's.

As a young kid, I remember days before television.  We seemed to have a lot
more time then.  But then I digress from my previous digressions.

Dave
dporter.....voicenet.com




----------
{Quote hidden}

> From: Regulus Berdin <KILLspamrberdinspam_OUTBIGFOOT.COM>
> To: spam_OUTPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: OT: getting on
> Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 12:42 AM
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?
> I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately I was still a
> baby.
>
> BTW, I am still 26 :).
>
> regards,
> Reggie
>

'OT: getting on & Amateur at that !!'
1999\01\25@223316 by Glenville T. Sawyer

1999\01\26@024756 by Morgan Olsson

The PIC:ers age sampling continues:

... D'29' and counting...  ;)


My first computer experience was a Sinclair ZX80.
Then my little brother occupied our computers for years, so I concentrated
on other electronics a while.

/Morgan
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1999\01\26@031326 by Michael Rigby-Jones

Made it to 00011011, no thanks to the electric shock machines I used to make
out of car ignition coils.  We used to have about 10 people holding hands
and pass a shock right through them.  Looking back this was unbelievably
dangerous, thousands of volts right accross the chest.  Fortunately I became
interested in micros, much safer passtime....

Mike Rigby-Jones
spam_OUTmrjonesTakeThisOuTEraseMEnortelnetworks.com

1999\01\26@031537 by Pedro Drummond

1999\01\26@043425 by Dr. Imre Bartfai

1999\01\26@072920 by Tom Handley

  Ken, I just turned 49 and it's nice to know there are so many others
here that remember the same Rock'n'Roll ;-)

  Actually, I'm amazed I'm still alive... I wish it were possible to
get all of us who remember the `Golden Era' of microprocessors, to write
a book. Like veterans, we all have been down similar paths and have a lot
of stories to share.

  - Tom

At 10:26 PM 1/25/99 +1100, Ken Johnson wrote:
{Quote hidden}

>Right on Glen, I hit the big five-0 just before christmas and can confirm
>life just keeps getting better!!
>
>Cheers, (and long time no see- ex vk5ken) Ken, EraseMEvk7krjspamBeGoneKILLspamsouthcom.com.au
>
>> BTW   I am rapidly approaching 49 - and I am convinced that "life"
>actually
>>begins at 50 !!!
>>
>>       Glenville.
>>
>
>

1999\01\26@072923 by Tom Handley

1999\01\26@074408 by Fansler, David

               >>Hi all, I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist
subscribers?
               >>I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately
I was still a
               >>baby. BTW, I am still 26 :). regards, Reggie.

I am 48, heading to 49 in March.  Have yet to program a PIC, but I am
working on a solar powered lawn mower that will run autonomously with a
17C44 as the controller.

As some others have mentioned "the golden days of the 70's", I started off
with an 1802 ELF built via a Popular Electronics series.  Programming was
done via 8 toggle switches that you entered op codes by.  I was really
uptown when I added a hex keypad - it was easier to use than the toggle
switches.  Ran that computer for several years.  Then got my big break when,
as electronic technician for a reference lab, I built a data collection box
that cost about $6K less than what they were buying a used unit of older
technology for.  I got my first 1802 assembler then, and thought "gee - this
thing slows me down!"  I knew the op codes well enough that I could write
code faster than writing assembler and compiling the source.  Eventually I
did switch.  I stayed with the 1800's series through my last design job.

Most all of my prototypes were done with a Vector wire wrap pencil that uses
a #36 wire with a special insulation.  You wire the board, and then solder
the connections.  The insulation evaporates a 750 degrees, leaving bare
copper that soldered nicely.  They quite marketing this after a few years,
but I bought enough wire to last me a while!


David V. Fansler
Network Administrator
AutoCyte, Inc.
800-426-2176 Ext. 261
RemoveMEdfanslerspamBeGonespamautocyte.com <@spam@dfanslerspamautocyte.com>
Now Showing! http://www.mindspring.com/~dfansler
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1999\01\26@083920 by Steve Jones

I'll buy a copy of the book when it's complete!!

-Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Handley <TakeThisOuTthandleyKILLspam@spam@TELEPORT.COM>
To: .....PICLISTRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU <KILLspamPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: OT: getting on


{Quote hidden}

>   Ken, I just turned 49 and it's nice to know there are so many others
>here that remember the same Rock'n'Roll ;-)
>
>   Actually, I'm amazed I'm still alive... I wish it were possible to
>get all of us who remember the `Golden Era' of microprocessors, to write
>a book. Like veterans, we all have been down similar paths and have a lot
>of stories to share.
>
>   - Tom
>
>At 10:26 PM 1/25/99 +1100, Ken Johnson wrote:
>>Right on Glen, I hit the big five-0 just before christmas and can confirm
>>life just keeps getting better!!
>>
>>Cheers, (and long time no see- ex vk5ken) Ken, TakeThisOuTvk7krjspam_OUTsouthcom.com.au
>>
>>> BTW   I am rapidly approaching 49 - and I am convinced that "life"
>>actually
>>>begins at 50 !!!
>>>
>>>       Glenville.
>>>
>>
>>

1999\01\26@084753 by Rich Graziano

I will be 59 in April.
-----Original Message-----
From: Reginald Neale <RemoveMEnealespamSTOPspamSERVTECH.COM>
To: .....PICLISTEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU <spamBeGonePICLISTRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: OT: getting on


{Quote hidden}

>>Hi all,
>>
>>I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?
>>I usually hear stories about the 70s, which unfortunately I was still a
>>baby.
>>
>>BTW, I am still 26 :).
>>
>>regards,
>>Reggie
>>
>
>  I'd make a wild uninformed guess that the average age is in the
>  thirties or forties somewhere, but there is an enormous range.
>
>  I turned (2^6)-1 last Christmas day and I'm certainly not
>  the oldest one.
>
>  The Other Reggie

1999\01\26@094930 by Dan Larson

On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:24:46 -0800, Tom Handley wrote:

>   Ken, I just turned 49 and it's nice to know there are so many others
>here that remember the same Rock'n'Roll ;-)
>
>   Actually, I'm amazed I'm still alive... I wish it were possible to
>get all of us who remember the `Golden Era' of microprocessors, to write
>a book. Like veterans, we all have been down similar paths and have a lot
>of stories to share.
>

I was just a kid, but I was inspired early on by a series of
articles or just a single article on the "PIP-2".  A four
bit home-brew micro I think.  I read the article and never saw
it again.  I wanted to build one really bad.  Then I followed
the ELF-II series.  I built a kit version with the nice PC
board & keypad.  Broke my machine code teeth on the 1802.
When I got my TRS-80, I was doing Z-80.  BASIC was no fun...
too slow, although much easier when it came to doing math!
Let's see,,,, then on to the Radio Shack Color Computer... 6809
assembly there.... Oooh, I'll stop there..... It gets ugly
after that.... (PC's).

One thing for sure.... I never learned to trust
storing anything on tapes of any kind again after
living through *that* era!

Dan

BTW, I've been representing my age with 6 bits for 4
years now...




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>   - Tom
>
>At 10:26 PM 1/25/99 +1100, Ken Johnson wrote:
>>Right on Glen, I hit the big five-0 just before christmas and can confirm
>>life just keeps getting better!!
>>
>>Cheers, (and long time no see- ex vk5ken) Ken, .....vk7krjEraseMEsouthcom.com.au
>>
>>> BTW   I am rapidly approaching 49 - and I am convinced that "life"
>>actually
>>>begins at 50 !!!
>>>
>>>       Glenville.
>>>
>>
>>
>

1999\01\26@100419 by Ray Gardiner

<snip>
>>
>>  I'd make a wild uninformed guess that the average age is in the
>>  thirties or forties somewhere, but there is an enormous range.
>>
>>  I turned (2^6)-1 last Christmas day and I'm certainly not
>>  the oldest one.
>>
>>  The Other Reggie

Well, I'm 49 heading to 50 this year, and I suspect that there is
a higher representation in the 45-55 age group than you might expect.
Those who were like me, in their early 20's when micro's first became
readily available.

I remember the Ohio Scientific, we used to make add-on memory cards
and stuff for it. But my real favourite of those times was the AIM 65
It had a "assembler" well kind of a mnemonic translator anyway.
On board printer and an alphanumeric display. 2K of 2114's.. There
was even a version of fig-Forth in eprom.

Programming PIC's is a bit like those early days, except everything
now is cheaper faster lower-powered.

How many folks out there can remember converting "golf-ball" typewriters
and Model 15 teletypes to print out memory dumps and then spending days
and days poring over them to find some miscalculated branch or corrupted
memory location.... I can't imagine doing that anymore!...


Ray Gardiner VK3YNV  spamrayspam_OUT@spam@hdc.com.au

1999\01\26@110340 by Adam Bryant

1999\01\26@111202 by Rich Graziano

Perhaps the MEDIAN age would be a better measure than the MEAN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Gardiner <spamray@spam@STOPspamHDC.COM.AU>
To: spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGone@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <RemoveMEPICLISTRemoveMERemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: OT: getting on


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><snip>
>>>
>>>  I'd make a wild uninformed guess that the average age is in the
>>>  thirties or forties somewhere, but there is an enormous range.
>>>
>>>  I turned (2^6)-1 last Christmas day and I'm certainly not
>>>  the oldest one.
>>>
>>>  The Other Reggie
>
>Well, I'm 49 heading to 50 this year, and I suspect that there is
>a higher representation in the 45-55 age group than you might expect.
>Those who were like me, in their early 20's when micro's first became
>readily available.
>
>I remember the Ohio Scientific, we used to make add-on memory cards
>and stuff for it. But my real favourite of those times was the AIM 65
>It had a "assembler" well kind of a mnemonic translator anyway.
>On board printer and an alphanumeric display. 2K of 2114's.. There
>was even a version of fig-Forth in eprom.
>
>Programming PIC's is a bit like those early days, except everything
>now is cheaper faster lower-powered.
>
>How many folks out there can remember converting "golf-ball" typewriters
>and Model 15 teletypes to print out memory dumps and then spending days
>and days poring over them to find some miscalculated branch or corrupted
>memory location.... I can't imagine doing that anymore!...
>
>
>Ray Gardiner VK3YNV  rayKILLspamspamhdc.com.au

'getting on->Z81 and PIC'
1999\01\26@124257 by Eduardo R.

>P.S. Has anyone interfaced a PIC to a ZX81?  Seems a shame to have a 1k
>ZX81 sitting around not doing anything. ;-)
>

I have been thinking about something similar. I have a Z81 based
Microprofessor learning kit and been wondering about how to interface its
tiny thermal paper printer to the PIC . Any ideas??
Best wishes
                Eduardo R

AC Power Control project based on PIC
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Cove/4535
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"Anyone whose family hasn't been touched by it
should get down on his knees every night and
thank the MAN upstairs"...........SAM COOPER

1999\01\26@124649 by Jack Raats

Adam Bryant wrote in a message to All:

AB> I will be 0x23 in February.  Got my first exposure to programming
AB> on an Apple II, built a Sinclair ZX81 from a kit (which I still
AB> have), then went on to become a professional programmer.  Luckily a
AB> colleague exposed me to PICs about a year ago.

AB> P.S. Has anyone interfaced a PIC to a ZX81?  Seems a shame to have
AB> a 1k ZX81 sitting around not doing anything. ;-)

Yes, I'm trying to interface an AT Keyboard with the ZX81 using a PIC (16F84)
to interface.

With greetings ... Jack Raats

BTW I 'm 0x28 in august 1999

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1999\01\26@124825 by Gerhard Fiedler

1999\01\26@130041 by Ben Stragnell

1999\01\26@133310 by w. v. ooijen / f. hanneman

'OT: getting on (and question)'
1999\01\26@162032 by hmiller

I'm just a wet-behind-the-programming-ears newbie at d'62'.

My question is: What is the advantage of of parallel port programming?

Harley L. Miller     KILLspamhmiller.....TakeThisOuTsound.net
WB0ROQ

1999\01\26@202538 by Lynx {Glenn Jones}

1999\01\26@215333 by Maris

1999\01\26@221650 by Bill Colville

1999\01\26@225648 by Paul Justice

1999\01\27@005448 by William Chops Westfield

1999\01\27@025048 by synergetix

1999\01\27@034003 by Alvaro Deibe Diaz

1999\01\27@035249 by Russell McMahon

1999\01\27@054646 by Dmitry Kiryashov

1999\01\27@054651 by Dmitry Kiryashov

1999\01\27@054657 by Dmitry Kiryashov

1999\01\27@054700 by Dmitry Kiryashov

1999\01\27@071554 by Bob Drzyzgula

00101010 here, just old enough to recall, as a toddler,
seeing John Kennedy in a US presidential campaign
appearance in Utica, NY.

First computer experience was a BASIC program written for
a computer at the Hercules plant in Hudson (or was it
Glens?) Falls, NY, around 1970 or so -- a Boy Scout field
trip.

Worked with an IBM 1130 in college (running a custom,
local-written DOS... had three error codes, "hung",
"loop" and "stop", all of which were at the discretion
of the operator based on what the register lights were
doing), lots of IBM 360s (20, 75, 91, etc) in the late
'70s and early '80s -- anyone else recall submitting jobs
on card punch decks to OS/MFT? TSO was a big improvement...
"that 300K region only has three jobs in the queue;
if I cut my data set in half I can probably squeze
into that..."

My first first real job was in 1980 as a contractor
at NASA Goddard; besides the IBMs, we used lots of DEC
machines... PDP-8, PDP-11. RSTS-11, RSX-11M, standalone
Forth. One PDP-8 we used to run a microdensitometer,
one had to toggle in the boot loader so it could  read the
OS off of the paper tape reader on the teletype terminal,
or the 800bpi 1/2" magtape.

At my current job we started using Suns in 1985,
with the Sun 2/120. We've gone through hundreds of
them since, and expect to be all UltraSPARC this
year; the capabilities of these new machines
are utterly staggering in a historical context.

Like many have reported, Microcontrollers and embedded
stuff is new to me, but I'm enjoying them in a way
that I haven't enjoyed computers in recent memory.

--Bob

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1999\01\27@080205 by Michael Rigby-Jones

But you tell that to kids today, and they won't believe you....
(Copyright Monty Python)

Mike Rigby-Jones
spam_OUTmrjonesRemoveME.....nortelnetworks.com

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> ----------
> From:         Maris[SMTP:spammarisKILLspamKILLspamTIAC.NET]
> Sent:         27 January 1999 02:33
> To:   spamPICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: OT: getting on
>
> I turned 59 this month.
> Back in my day we had to walk 20 miles barefoot in the snow to program
> PICs. We made our own chips from melted sand and programmed them using
> Roman numerals. We were REAL programmers back then, not wussies using
> assemblers and programming languages.
>
> - Maris -
>

1999\01\27@080212 by Tom Handley

1999\01\27@090155 by Reginald Neale

1999\01\27@090419 by Walter Banks

1999\01\27@091510 by Harrison Cooper

1999\01\27@092039 by Jason Wolfson

1999\01\27@101826 by Matt Bonner

'R: Re: OT: Getting On'
1999\01\27@112305 by Leonardo De Palo

'OT: getting on'
1999\01\27@121445 by David W. Duley

In a message dated 1/27/99 7:28:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
STOPspammbonnerspam_OUTspamBeGoneSUNADA.COM writes:

<< How about "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"?  Next month my age will
equate to the 'meaning of life' divulged in the final episode.

--Matt

 >>
What is 6 X 7?  Oh...sorry that was the question of life.
Dave Duley

1999\01\27@122035 by Mohamed Elegairy

Hi everybody

>Hi all, I am wondering! What is the average age of piclist subscribers?

I wonder, too, but about the nationality of the piclist subscribers?!!
Am I the only Egyptian piclist subscriber !!!

BTW I'm 41...no no not in HEX it's in OCTAL     LOL


Thanks and best regards
Mohamed Elegairy

Mail me at : spam_OUTegairyspamBeGoneusa.net
ICQ           : 14668366

'getting on Part II (Nationality)'
1999\01\27@123728 by Ohtsji, Randie

1999\01\27@125749 by Justin Crooks

I'm 0x16, and have been programming microcontrollers professionally for
only a couple of years.  It's good to see the age diversity on this list!

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> From: Lynx {Glenn Jones} <EraseMEjones_glKILLspamEFN.ORG>
> To: EraseMEPICLISTRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: OT: getting on
> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 6:23 PM
>
> Im 16, and a senior in high school.

'Getting On...'
1999\01\27@151334 by Dave Bell

1999\01\27@162159 by gregnash

If I try and write my age in hex I'll probably get an error from the list
server -- I can't remember whether the '$' goes before or after the number...
(yeh, my first programming after TRS-80 BASIC was 6502 assembler on Apple ][
)

That places me twice as young as some of you, and half as young as others.
Nice and comfy in the middle.  You're all right, though, it is amazing to
consider the changes in even 15 years...   Once upon a time people were lucky
to see _anything_ much change in their _lifetime_.  Perhaps a country or two
would get taken over.  Someone might build a nicer buggy for their horse.  Now
people are amazed that I started life with black&white TV, and people not much
older without it.

I was rather amused when I found the design for a 'pong' TV game on the web
using a PIC, a transistor and a couple of passive components..  We thought
that was such exciting technology then..

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