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1995\11\14@205801 by Newfound Electronics

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I have forwarded this request to the piclist where it belongs and informed
the requester how to subscribe etc. Can someone please help as I am not able
to keep up with it all...

Thanks

Jim


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1995\11\14@230951 by Andrew Warren

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Dion Heskett (.....dionhKILLspamspam@spam@fastnet.co.uk) wrote Jim an email asking:

>>sorry to ask you this ... i am trying to program the data eprom area
>>with the code below should this work ?? if not could yo point me in the
>>right direction as i am new to pics and programing in assembler
>>many thanks..

Jim (newfoundspamKILLspamNE.COM.AU), who's apparently too busy peddling his prototype
PIC programmers to answer his own e-mail, wrote:

>I have forwarded this request to the piclist where it belongs and informed
>the requester how to subscribe etc. Can someone please help as I am not
>able to keep up with it all...

   Dion:

   There are a couple of things I'd do differently, but your code should
   work just fine.

   I'm a little puzzled by your need to have the code checked; it should be
   trivially easy to see whether it works or not just by burning it into a
   16C84 and trying it.  Are you having trouble with it?

   -Andy

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Andrew Warren - .....fastfwdKILLspamspam.....ix.netcom.com
Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California

1995\11\15@000325 by John Payson

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>     There are a couple of things I'd do differently, but your code should
>     work just fine.
>
>     I'm a little puzzled by your need to have the code checked; it should be
>     trivially easy to see whether it works or not just by burning it into a
>     16C84 and trying it.  Are you having trouble with it?

One thing I've found can be helpful when reading from the 16C84's EEPROM is
to point the FSR at EECTL so that it's not necessary to toggle RB0 on and off
for each bit.  I don't know if this allows the sequence:

 bsf   IND,0
 movf  EEDATA,w

to happen without a cycle between [I had something else to do in that time
slot] but it's still a useful trick to know.

1995\11\15@081023 by Newfound Electronics

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>Dion Heskett (EraseMEdionhspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTfastnet.co.uk) wrote Jim an email asking:
>
>>>sorry to ask you this ... i am trying to program the data eprom area
>>>with the code below should this work ?? if not could yo point me in the
>>>right direction as i am new to pics and programing in assembler
>>>many thanks..
>
>Jim (newfoundspamspam_OUTNE.COM.AU), who's apparently too busy peddling his prototype
>PIC programmers to answer his own e-mail, wrote:

Not so. I answered this email thus:

Dion,

You are far better off sticking this sort of stuff on the PIC LIST. This
gives people who can and are willing to help the chance to feel spiritual
and all warm and fuzzy inside. You then don't need to be worried that you
are inposing on someone else etc.


Not on the PIC LIST?

Send to @spam@listservKILLspamspammitvma.mit.edu

subscribe piclist

You will  get a document telling how to upload requests for help etc.

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, I just don't have the 1/2 hour it would take.

Get back to me if you really get stuck but meantime I will forward the
message to the piclist and if you subscribe quickly the answer will be there
waiting for you!

Regards,

Jim

.....................................................................

Today,  I spent time forwarding my long reply to Martin Nilssons reply on
the "master-slave thread" to interested people. I thought it too long and of
little interest to the general PICLIST. I also forwarded other parts of the
thread as requested. Its great to receive an email back that  simply says
"Thanks."

Andrew, I find your implication to be offensive. Your aggressiveness serves
only to make others wary of you and perhaps this is the point of it.

Perhaps now you'll ensure everything you offer is exemplary and purely
alturistic, no self promotion however subtle. I guess mate, you're willing
to be the high mark for all of us to obtain to.

As for "peddling my prototype programmers" well Andrew,  I do make it known
that I got them, and I also promote my understanding of "quality issues"
regarding programmers. I have never sold a programmer or anything else to
someone who I genuinely believed would be better off buying someone elses
product. Yes I have suggested competing designs when it was in the enquirers
best interests. My real product is my sense of ethics and quality and fair
play. (I guess in your country that makes me a loser.)

If it appears otherwise its just my indignation. I don't enjoy hearing from
people who spent 200% - 300% more on a programmer that does nothing but the
bear basics and they want my software to work with their programmer etc. If
anything,  I have let them down by not jumping up and down hard enough. I am
happy for all the pros and cons of programmers to be open and people can
make up their own minds.

What is it you are peddling? Your own credibility??? How is your personal
attack on me in anyone's best interest? What do you know of me that gives
you the right to attack me as you have?

Perhaps its time for you to rethink your agro. Though I know only of one,
I'm sure there are other's whom refrain from offering a counter point to you
on the piclist and MCHIPBBS to avoid occuring  your wrath. Something you are
proud of?

I do not believe I was unreasonable in forwarding the query to the PIC LIST
especially as I was pepared to forward any replies back to Dion  in case
they were missed by Him/her. Andrew, have you asked Dion if she/he feels I
let him/her down by replying as I did?. (Sorry Dion, these days it's just
not safe to assume a persons sex, oops, I mean gender, by their name.)


My apoligies for this to all others, I stop now though I feel I haven't yet
begun!


Jim

1995\11\15@131901 by nigelg
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I think this code was originally posted in 'alt.satellite.tv.crypt', it was
in response to questions on how to program EEPROM using a PICSTART. The full
code in question was for using two 16C84's for decoding D2-MAC satellite
transmissions. The poster of this code got over the PICSTART problem by
running a program that wrote the required data to EEPROM, then you write the
main program to the PIC. Probably he's having problems actually decoding the
scrambled programs, however a number of people have replyed to the original
posting saying that this method of EEPROM programming works fine.

Nigel.

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1995\11\15@161102 by Andrew Warren

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Jim (newfoundEraseMEspam.....NE.COM.AU), who doesn't have time to answer his own e-mail,
but has PLENTY of time to post messages like the following, wrote:

>Andrew, I find your implication to be offensive.

   WHAT implication?  You SAID, yourself, that you didn't have time to
   answer the guy's question.  You can't have it both ways, Jim.

>Your aggressiveness serves only to make others wary of you and
>perhaps this is the point of it.

   Or maybe it's just an efficient way to keep the list's signal-to-noise
   ratio high.

>Perhaps now you'll ensure everything you offer is exemplary and purely
>alturistic, no self promotion however subtle. I guess mate, you're willing
>to be the high mark for all of us to obtain to.

   Go read through all the messages I've posted to the PICLIST and the
   Microchip BBS... There are over a thousand of them, so it may take you a
   while.  Not ONE includes any self-promotion, "mate".

>As for "peddling my prototype programmers" well Andrew,  I do make it known
>that I got them

       No kidding.

>I don't enjoy hearing from people who spent 200% - 300% more on a
>programmer that does nothing but the bear basics and they want my software
>to work with their programmer etc. If anything, I have let them down by not
>jumping up and down hard enough. I am happy for all the pros and cons of
>programmers to be open and people can make up their own minds.

   I must have missed something... What does this have to do with your
   admitted inability to organize your time well enough to allow you to
   answer your personal e-mail?

>What is it you are peddling? Your own credibility??? How is your personal
>attack on me in anyone's best interest? What do you know of me that gives
>you the right to attack me as you have?

   For those of you who missed my "personal attack", here it is:

       >Jim (EraseMEnewfoundspamNE.COM.AU), who's apparently too busy peddling
       >his prototype PIC programmers to answer his own e-mail, wrote:

   Strong stuff, huh?

   As it turns out, Jim DID answer his e-mail, writing:

       >I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, I just don't have the
       >1/2 hour it would take.

   Funny, Jim... It only took me about 5 minutes.

>Perhaps its [SIC] time for you to rethink your agro [SIC]. Though I know
>only of one, I'm sure there are other's [SIC} whom [SIC] refrain from
>offering a counter point [SIC} to you on the piclist and MCHIPBBS to avoid
>occuring [SIC} your wrath.  Something you are proud of?

   No, but I AM proud of my command of the English language.

>I do not believe I was unreasonable in forwarding the query to the PIC LIST

       Neither do I, Jim... Dion got an answer, didn't he?

>Andrew, have you asked Dion if she/he feels I let him/her down by replying
>as I did?.

   No, of course not.  I have very little interest in knowing Dion's
   opinion of you.

>My apoligies for this to all others, I stop now though I feel I haven't yet
>begun!

   If, in the future, you send messages like this in private e-mail, I
   won't be compelled to respond publicly, and neither one of us will have
   to apologize to the list membership.

   -Andy

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Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California

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