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'embedded controller handbook'
1995\12\05@013805 by Ali Marami

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Hi,
I want embedded controller handbook.would you please help me where can i buy
it in U.S.A,AUSTRALIA or SINGAPORE?
thanks
Ashkan Marami

1995\12\05@201218 by ay McGregor

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Ashkan Marami wrote;

>I want embedded controller handbook.would you please help me where can i buy
>it in U.S.A,AUSTRALIA or SINGAPORE?
>thanks

  It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it appears to me
that the '94 version is available by FTP at:

ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote  as  00092c.pdf (2megs!!)

 I use Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - can't speak for the PCs.)

 Cheers,   Murray



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1995\12\07@151932 by ay McGregor

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Just resending this message as my earlier attempt was rejected. (Shouldn't
I receive a copy of my message to the PICLIST?)

  Ashkan Marami wrote asking where he could obtain the Embedded Controller
Handbook in Australia or Singapore.

  It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also looks
like the '94 version is available by FTP at:

ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote  as  00092c.pdf (2megs!!)

 I used Adobe Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - don't know the PC
requirements.)

 Cheers,   Murray

1995\12\07@170409 by Alex Rotenstein

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On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Murray McGregor wrote:

> Just resending this message as my earlier attempt was rejected. (Shouldn't
> I receive a copy of my message to the PICLIST?)
>
>    Ashkan Marami wrote asking where he could obtain the Embedded Controller
> Handbook in Australia or Singapore.
>
>    It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also looks
> like the '94 version is available by FTP at:
>
>  ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote  as  00092c.pdf (2megs!!)
>
>   I used Adobe Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - don't know the PC
> requirements.)
>
>   Cheers,   Murray
>
The ftp file contains only one third of the book, unfortunately. The
other application notes are at the ftp site in postscript or pure code
format.
I wish I could get the whole book, too:)

1995\12\07@173813 by
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>    It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also looks
> like the '94 version is available by FTP at:
>
>  ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote  as  00092c.pdf (2megs!!)
>
>   I used Adobe Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - don't know the PC
> requirements.)

I tried to view this file with ghostscript, or adobe acroread for sun or
arcoread for sgi and all failed. The first two agree that there is an
unknown token -i  (not an i, actually, but an upside down !), while the
sgi version simply did coredump.

Can anybody verify that the file on the ftp server is o.k.? I did a
binary ftp and did it twice already.

       Sigh,
               juergen.

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1995\12\07@175717 by Preston Gabel

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On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Juergen Weigert (Inf4 - hiwi) wrote:

> I tried to view this file with ghostscript, or adobe acroread for sun or
> arcoread for sgi and all failed. The first two agree that there is an
> unknown token -i  (not an i, actually, but an upside down !), while the
> sgi version simply did coredump.
>
> Can anybody verify that the file on the ftp server is o.k.? I did a
> binary ftp and did it twice already.
>

Just finished downloading the .pdf file and used Acroread.  Worked fine
for me.  I don't know what the problem might be but the file appears to
be OK.  Sorry I'm not more help!    :-|


regards,

Preston Gabel

1995\12\08@104120 by Sten Dahlgren

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> >    It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also looks
> > like the '94 version is available by FTP at:
> >
> >  ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote  as  00092c.pdf (2megs!!)
> >
> >   I used Adobe Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - don't know the PC
> > requirements.)
>
> I tried to view this file with ghostscript, or adobe acroread for sun or
> arcoread for sgi and all failed. The first two agree that there is an
> unknown token -i  (not an i, actually, but an upside down !), while the
> sgi version simply did coredump.
>
> Can anybody verify that the file on the ftp server is o.k.? I did a
> binary ftp and did it twice already.
>
I tried this a couple of days ago on my PC with acroread and it worked
ok. the document is 442 pages in only 2.4 Mb not bad!
I have not printed it yet !

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On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Juergen Weigert (Inf4 - hiwi) wrote:

1995\12\12@165347 by l Stump Sitting on a Squirrel

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I too downloaded this file.  It's also 442 pages long, but that only covers
sections 1-3.  The index suggests that there are more sections (4-11).
Not that the first three sections aren't interesting, but I'd like to get
my hands on the remaining portion of this handbook.

Does anybody know where I could get the rest of the embedded controller
handbook?

Thanks for any help,
-Marc

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>> >    It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also
>> > like the '94 version is available by FTP at:
>> >
>> >  ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote  as  00092c.pdf (2megs!!)

[snip-snip]

>I tried this a couple of days ago on my PC with acroread and it worked
>ok. the document is 442 pages in only 2.4 Mb not bad!
>I have not printed it yet !
>
>/Sten
>
>---
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1995\12\14@140052 by Edward Tang

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       I have ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote but cannot
find 00092c.pdf.  Why?  Is it offline?

Kind regards,
Edward Tang


'Embedded Controller Handbook'
1998\02\23@070649 by n Midgley
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Hi all

I saw an e-mail from the piclist, suggesting that the Microchip
'Embedded Controller Handbook'  was available on their website
as a .PDF file. I've searched on http://www.microchip.com, but I can't
find it. Can anyone offer a more specific URL?

I'd like to get my hands on this, but since I'm a tightwad, I'd
rather not pay for it.

Regards

John Midgley

1998\02\23@085841 by Charles Laforge

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John

I don't think the book is available as ONE big .pdf file.  What they
meant was all that is in the book is available on the web site....
usually as individual files.  The Embedded Controller handbook is a
collection of code, ideas and circuits.

Good Luck

Charles



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1998\02\23@100018 by Tom Mariner

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Hello John,

Unless you have a T-3 connection, you may want to rethink the downloading a
whole document that large. I would try either of two no-cost alternatives;
a)download only those data sheets and app-notes you actually need or b)
order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may contain all you
need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site.

Tom

On Monday, February 23, 1998 6:01 AM, John Midgley
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1998\02\23@235838 by frak

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I must agree with John, I found the same problem....no pdf file at
the microchip site...now I  AM DESPERATE to learn how to pgm a PICC84
so any help would be appreciated guys
thanks




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1998\02\24@010136 by Stewart Krakauer

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You asked about accessing the "Embedded Controller Handbook" from the
Microchip website.

The "Embedded Controller Handbook" is just a collection of Microchip
application notes. These are available from the Microchip website home page
under Developer's Toolbox / Application Notes.

These Application Notes are also available, listed by number, from the first
screen of the Microchip CD-ROM under Appnotes. They are catalogued in the
Xrefdoc.pdf file in this same screen.

In both cases, Acrobat Reader 3 will be required. This is included on the
CD-ROM.

Stewart

1998\02\24@052501 by Richard Nowak

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I found 30445c.pdf = datasheet for 16C84 at
www.microchip.com/10/Datasheet/PICmicros/PIC16F8X.htm
and downloaded it.  Size = 1127170

If you still can't get it I'll be happy to send it to you.

Rich

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1998\02\24@070458 by Caisson

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> I must agree with John, I found the same problem....no pdf file at
> the microchip site...now I  AM DESPERATE to learn how to pgm a PICC84
> so any help would be appreciated guys
> thanks

To Frak (?) & John Midgley

Try to find the files DS39445?.PDF (Description of PIC16C84 inclusive
Mnemonics)
and DS30189?.PDF (How to transfer a program to the PIC16C84)

Be warned though, the Bulk-erase still doesn't work as discribed ...

Greetz,
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1998\02\24@184205 by paulb

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Tom Mariner wrote:

> b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may contain
> all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site.

 Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US.  I tried ordering the CD-ROM,
seemed to be a perfectly simple request.  What happened?  Nothing for
several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but in
an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had been
passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due course.

 THAT was several weeks ago.  Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to mail
me the CD from the US.  Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even
asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks.  What have I
got now?  *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter!

 OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data.

Cheers,
       Paul B.

1998\02\25@030350 by Don McKenzie

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Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
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Hi Paul,
Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a request
today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the same
result.

It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters.

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1998\02\25@050903 by David Van Cleef

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Don McKenzie wrote:

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FWIW, I'm still waiting for my CD to arrive here in Tokyo.  Request made
mid-november, letter dated December 11th...

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1998\02\25@051316 by Alan Hall

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In message <EraseME34F2ADB9.4172spamspamspamBeGonemidcoast.com.au>, "Paul B. Webster VK2BZC"
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>  Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US.  I tried ordering the CD-ROM,
>seemed to be a perfectly simple request.  What happened?  Nothing for
>several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but in
>an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had been
>passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due course.
>
>  THAT was several weeks ago.  Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to mail
>me the CD from the US.  Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even
>asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks.  What have I
>got now?  *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter!

Exactly the same happens (or not) in the UK. What a waste of everybody's
time!

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1998\02\25@052516 by bejones

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Looks like its US v Rest of the World - I too am waiting since
December. Like Paul I did get a letter saying local agent will deal
with but nothing heard..

Paul, about 18 months ago I phoned my local UK agent and  they mailed
me a CD-ROM within a week or so - if you are desperate perhaps a call
to your local agent will accelerate.

Brian
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IBM Hursley

1998\02\25@053416 by David Van Cleef

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Brian Jones wrote:

> Looks like its US v Rest of the World - I too am waiting since
> December. Like Paul I did get a letter saying local agent will deal
> with but nothing heard..
>
> Paul, about 18 months ago I phoned my local UK agent and  they mailed
> me a CD-ROM within a week or so - if you are desperate perhaps a call
> to your local agent will accelerate.
>

This might help *IF* the local agent and I spoke the same language...

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1998\02\25@082721 by Dan Welch

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Same thing here in the States.  I waited one month & finally called the
distributor named in the letter.

They shipped immediately after I called.

-Dan KF6IZO

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1998\02\25@093311 by Mark Griebel

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>Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
> > Tom Mariner wrote:
> > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may
> > contain
> > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web
Site.
>
>
> >   Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US.  I tried ordering the CD-ROM,
> > seemed to be a perfectly simple request.  What happened?  Nothing
for
> > several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but
> > in
> > an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had
> > been
> > passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due
> > course.
> >
> >   THAT was several weeks ago.

<<snip>>

Well I *do* live in the US and I'm not doing much better. My letter
from microchip is dated 2/4 and I've yet to hear from my "local
Microchip Technology sales rep" and they are just down the road.
-mark-

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1998\02\25@105711 by Dan Larson

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:48:48 +1100, Don McKenzie wrote:

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I live in the US and I have also requested the technical library CD
and got the same letter.  It has been several weeks for me as well.
I imagine that this is just the way the literature distribution
works!  At least my "local distributor" is truely local for me.  If
I don't get that CD soon, I'll just drive down there... :-)

Dan

1998\02\25@111158 by peter

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> > > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may
> > > contain
> > > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web
> Site.

I received mine last week from my local "distributor"
(how can microchip call someone a distributor who can't give leadtimes
for 16x84's or picstart +  even in single quantitys)

Peter Cousens
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1998\02\25@131901 by Robert Bednarz

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Don't hold your breath waiting for anything but a letter.
I have circled bingo cards twice in professional magazines over
the past two years as well as requesting one on the web site. I always
got a letter instead.
Digikey was always out of stock of CD-Roms  for sale. The only way I got
one was to buy a PicStart Plus.

David Van Cleef wrote:

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1998\02\25@131905 by Keith Howell

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I'm not keen on prolonging this thread.
That Microchip tech support is appalling is not news.

I'm wondering if it depends who you are?
Maybe they wish to discourage small scale or hobby projects?

I asked for one as a private individual, and got no response.
My employers are a big buyer of PICs and got given several CDs.
A colleague even threw one away!

I suggest everyone redirect their frustrations upon those
responsible for creating it: Microchip!

1998\02\25@141245 by Calvin

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Exact same thing happened to me, I also recieved the mentioned letter, but
never what I requested. Even thou I am in the US.

Calvin

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1998\02\25@141249 by Mark Lezama

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I am in Venezuela, if you think you are waiting think in me, I have more
than 12 months waiting and is SouthAmerica, it mean this  CD-ROM wont
come!.

Brian Jones escribis:

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1998\02\25@145819 by Alessandro Zummo

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Il 25-Feb-98, Alan Hall scrisse:

>>  Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US.  I tried ordering the CD-ROM,
>> to be a perfectly simple request.  What happened?  Nothing for
>> weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but in
>> envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had been
>> on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due course.
>>
>>  THAT was several weeks ago.  Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to mail
>> the CD from the US.  Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even
>> for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks.  What have I
>> now?  *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter!

> Exactly the same happens (or not) in the UK. What a waste of everybody's
> time!

It's the same for me, here in italy...
maybe microchip is reading these lines?
anyway, if you are interested in these services (i.e. samples, data sheets,
etc)
try Motorola, National, Maxim and Xicor...the best 've ever seen...

1998\02\25@153916 by Jeff Cesnik

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Me too, I've tried requesting a CD twice from their website.  I received the
infamous letter 4 months ago.  Never got the CD...
Microchip?  Are you listening?

-JC


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1998\02\25@192801 by Jorge Ferreira

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       Hi

       I don't know if the document on the 16C84 (30445c.pdf) has all the detai
ls
about programming the chip. In my case with the 16F84 the datasheet only
refered lightly to the subject and directs us to the familly documentation.
I found the chapter on ICSP (In Circuit Serial Programming) under the name
31028a.pdf (chapter 28 of the PICmicro MID-RANGE MCU FAMILY manual,
Microchip ref. DS31028A). The info on this document is also usable for off
circuit programming.
       If you have any trouble reaching it on the Microchip Web site, just ask
me
by private E-mAil and I will send it attached (its only 98KB).


       Jorge F




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1998\02\25@200510 by Sean Breheny

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At 12:28 PM 2/25/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Exact same thing happened to me, I also recieved the mentioned letter, but
>never what I requested. Even thou I am in the US.
>
>Calvin
>


I am in the US also. Same story.

Sean


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1998\02\25@210230 by Dan Larson

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I gave up and called my "Local Distributor" today.  Now we'll see how long
it takes!

Dan


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1998\02\26@005052 by mcoop

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It's called "what separates the men from the boys".

Even after sending in my product registration to Microchip, they haven't
made a sound. I guess they aren't thankful for my business.

Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, and invited
me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down som eof their excellent
presentations.

I don't think you have to guess who just received an order for 15,000 uC's

Regards,
MC

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1998\02\26@015035 by Calvin

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>It's called "what separates the men from the boys".
>
>Even after sending in my product registration to Microchip, they haven't
>made a sound. I guess they aren't thankful for my business.
>
>Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, and invited
>me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down som eof their excellent
>presentations.
>
>I don't think you have to guess who just received an order for 15,000 uC's
>


OUCH!!!

>Regards,
>MC
>
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>

1998\02\26@040542 by Giorgio Alboni

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At 14.48 25/02/98 +1100, you wrote:
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I had the same result of Paul. I had receive the letter from Microchip but
no the CD.



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1998\02\26@043735 by Fernando Frances Lanca

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In Portugal it's the same thing. Several months passed and nothing.

Fernando


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Same thing here in the States.  I waited one month & finally called the

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1998\02\26@045637 by mike

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In message  <34F47BE7.1425B954spamBeGonespamclaravista.com> RemoveMEPICLIST@spam@spamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU writes:
> Me too, I've tried requesting a CD twice from their website.  I received the
> infamous letter 4 months ago.  Never got the CD...
> Microchip?  Are you listening?
>

I've never had a problem getting CDs from Microchip distributors, one
phone call and within a week I have one.

I actually prefer printed data sheets, and will always try to get one
for each PIC I work with.

Some time ago, Microchip sacked their most prominent UK distie (Polar,
who now represent Atmel and the AVR), leaving the others to pick up the
business. At that time it was very easy to get CDs and data as the disties
were keen to become your preferred supplier.

Regards,

Mike Watson

1998\02\26@080113 by Keith Howell

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mcoop wrote:
>
> Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times,
> and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down
> some of their excellent presentations.

Yeah, I get Mchip guys phoning up and pressing me for meetings
that have no particular purpose (other than to keep us aware of
their presence) and would waste half an hour or more of my time.

And yet when you want to talk to them they're not available because
they're in 'presence' meetings with some other customer!
When I do get hold of one they take ages to find someone with more
than a salesmans depth of knowledge about PICs.

I've not heard of Panasonic micros, but I shall investigate them
on mcoop's recommendation.

1998\02\26@083351 by tjaart

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Keith Howell wrote:

> mcoop wrote:
> >
> > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times,
> > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down
> > some of their excellent presentations.

Another nice thing about the eastern companies is that, if you
twisttheir arms a bit, you can get very, very expensive development
tools for free. (Unlike the infamous Microchip compiler rip-off
where you pay for something you never get)
We got the complete Cosmic set from Motorola.

Motorola buys compilers at retail from the developers and hand
them out to the customers. You get full support directly from the
developer. (Unlike Microchip MPLAB-C support)

I know they also give away Bytecraft compilers which, as you
know, also makes the only single-solution compiler for PICs.

> Yeah, I get Mchip guys phoning up and pressing me for meetings
> that have no particular purpose (other than to keep us aware of
> their presence) and would waste half an hour or more of my time.

Been there, done that.

> And yet when you want to talk to them they're not available because
> they're in 'presence' meetings with some other customer!
> When I do get hold of one they take ages to find someone with more
> than a salesmans depth of knowledge about PICs.

Out of curiosity, are these the factory reps you are talking about, or
the
distributor reps ?

Where our distributor (Pace) gives us incredible service, our
factory reps also soar to the depths that some of the people on
the list have mentioned.

It would be interesting to know if the lack of interest is caused
by the lack of direct incentive (commision), or because of some
other low morale problem.

BTW I see the BBS has ceased to be. It is a great pity because
the sysop was very good with getting new stuff on the BBS.
I don't know if it is the same guy who runs the web site (Very
cool site IMHO, but no new stuff like the BBS) now.

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1998\02\26@103007 by Michel Tremblay

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Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
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It's seems like the fact that Canada/USA border being the largest
undefended
border in the world does not help Microchip to deliver their CD. I,
also, requested
the CD from Microchip website in December. A month later I received a
letter from
Microchip stating that my requested was passed to my local dealer... I
am still
waiting to hear from him.

It seems I am not as important to this local dealer's eyes than to
Microchip !!!

Microchip, are you listening ???


Michel Tremblay
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Sidus Systems Inc.
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1998\02\26@120506 by Fernando Frances Lanca

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In Portugal it's the same thing. Several months passed and nothing.

Fernando

1998\02\26@140411 by Sean Breheny

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At 03:32 PM 2/26/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Keith Howell wrote:
>
>> mcoop wrote:
>> >
>> > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times,
>> > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down
>> > some of their excellent presentations.
>
>Another nice thing about the eastern companies is that, if you
>twisttheir arms a bit, you can get very, very expensive development
>tools for free. (Unlike the infamous Microchip compiler rip-off
>where you pay for something you never get)
>We got the complete Cosmic set from Motorola.

Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved
from some xxx manufacturing company in California.

Sean


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1998\02\26@144753 by Christopher E. Brown

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Don McKenzie wrote:

> Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
>
>>   Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US.  I tried ordering the CD-ROM,
>> seemed to be a perfectly simple request.  What happened?  Nothing for
>> several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but
>> in an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had
>> been passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due
>> course.

       Nope, I live in the US, and that is all I got.  A week after I
submitted the request I received a nice letter telling that a local rep
would contact me.  I do not want to speek with a rep, I just want a CD.

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1998\02\26@155336 by Andy Kunz

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>Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved
>from some xxx manufacturing company in California.

But Mr. Lear (who started it, of Learjet fame) was from the Pittsburg area.

Andy

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1998\02\26@174108 by Sean Breheny

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At 03:29 PM 2/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved
>>from some xxx manufacturing company in California.
>
>But Mr. Lear (who started it, of Learjet fame) was from the Pittsburg area.
>
>Andy

That's an interesting fact which I didn't know, but I guess I interpreted
the meaning of "eastern" wrong. I though "eastern" meant from Asia, in this
context.

Sean

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1998\02\27@001732 by tjaart

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Sean Breheny wrote:

> At 03:32 PM 2/26/98 +0200, you wrote:
> >Keith Howell wrote:
> >
> >> mcoop wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times,
> >> > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down
> >> > some of their excellent presentations.
> >
> >Another nice thing about the eastern companies is that, if you
> >twisttheir arms a bit, you can get very, very expensive development
> >tools for free. (Unlike the infamous Microchip compiler rip-off
> >where you pay for something you never get)
> >We got the complete Cosmic set from Motorola.
>
> Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved
> from some xxx manufacturing company in California.

No, I responded to mcoop's "Panasonic on the other hand..."

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1998\02\27@001908 by tjaart

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Sean Breheny wrote:

> At 03:32 PM 2/26/98 +0200, you wrote:
> >Keith Howell wrote:
> >
> >> mcoop wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times,
> >> > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down
> >> > some of their excellent presentations.
> >
> >Another nice thing about the eastern companies is that, if you
> >twisttheir arms a bit, you can get very, very expensive development
> >tools for free. (Unlike the infamous Microchip compiler rip-off
> >where you pay for something you never get)
> >We got the complete Cosmic set from Motorola.
>
> Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved
> from some xxx manufacturing company in California.

Oops, sorry, I didn't read your message properly when I replied
earlier. You are quite right, Motorola isn't an 'eastern' company.
Motorola's corporate offices are located in Schaumburg, Illinois.

(I am probably going to be flamed for this faux pass...<sigh>)

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1998\02\27@053718 by steve

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I have seen the complaints re Embedded Controller Handbook
and the CD ROM - I simply contacted our UK supplier, Future Electronics
in Manchester, tel: 0161 877 8844, who sent me both items, speedily and
efficiently.

I would recommend getting your PICs from them if you are in the UK as they
seem to be very efficient.


Stephen H Alsop, S&S Systems Ltd, UK. Tel: 01909 773399, Fax: 01909 773645
spamBeGonesteve@spam@spams.ssystems.easynet.co.uk - http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~s.ssystems

1998\02\27@162123 by Facci, John

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Don,
I had the same experience as Paul.( ie Dear John letter after several
weeks)

Sort of makes you wonder about their customer service attitude.
They could have responded via EMAIL, as you have to give your address
in order to register for the CD.

John

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'Embedded Controller Handbook'
1998\03\24@111120 by Gary Chung
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I'm not sure about Microchip. I have very good response from Hewlet Packet and
have
been receiving product updates in CD-Rom & Floppies.


mcoop wrote:

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1998\03\24@115601 by Dan Larson

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I am still trying to get my CD-ROM.  I have emailed them 3 times since Cindy
Trotto
from Microchip posted top this list.  I have had only one answer telling me that
my CD
will be "mailed out this week".  Well, a week has passed, and still no CD.  To
make things
look worse, I reside within the conntinental US!

I may not be an engineer myself with purchasing power, but I *do* have influence
over many engineers (potential customers) that I associate with.  Great product,
poor (so far) support.

I want to thank the likes of Cindy and others at Microchip that have attempted
to get
the CD to me,, but I fear that matters aren't toally within their hands.  I
could just
buy the CD from Digi-Key but who knows how up to date it will be.  I also don't
care to
pay $4 for something that should be free.

Just my $.02...

Dan


On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:48:49 +0800, Gary Chung wrote:

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1998\03\24@130840 by Bob Blick

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Microchip still hasn't sent me my "happy fun kit" that I was promised at
the embedded systems conference back in October.

Not to say that this kind of thing is not typical.

At least the parts are usually available!

Cheers,

Bob

1998\03\24@190312 by Harrison Cooper

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               Hmm....asked my rep for a sample....he shows up with
them a few days later...and brought me the CD..didn't even ask for it!!
Well, in most cases, the inquires go thru the local reps.  Make a case
with them or with Microchip that the rep is not doing their job!

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                               From:  Dan Larson
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                               Sent:  Tuesday, March 24, 1998 9:51 AM
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Handbook

                       I am still trying to get my CD-ROM.  I have
emailed them 3 times since Cindy
                        Trotto
                       from Microchip posted top this list.  I have had
only one answer telling me that
                        my CD......

1998\03\24@211456 by Dan Larson

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I contacted my local sales rep after waiting serveral weeks
from the time I recieved the original "Your name has been forwarded to
you local sales rep" letter from Microchip.  The local rep said they
would "Take care of me right away".  I haven't heard from them since.
Meanwhile, Cindy Trotto posted the PIC list response.  I decided to wait on
the "Local Rep" for another week.  No luck.  I then emailed the address that
Cindy posted.  Not a word for two weeks.  I contacted Microchip again
and got a respose telling me that my CD would be mailed that week and
that I should contact them (this week) if it did not arrive.  Well, it didn't
arrive so contacted Microchip again today and got an immediate response
notifying me the my CD was being FedEx'd to my address.

We'll see if it gets here....

All of this trouble for a CD!  I am not even asking for free samples!
I am only an "honest" hobbiest with many engineer friends and co-workers.
I think, even though I will not be buying thousands of parts, that they
would value my good will and my free word of mouth advertising!

I might as well start pulling old 8031 and 8051 mcu's from discarded
modems!


On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:01:43 -0700, Harrison Cooper wrote:

>                Hmm....asked my rep for a sample....he shows up with
>them a few days later...and brought me the CD..didn't even ask for it!!
>Well, in most cases, the inquires go thru the local reps.  Make a case
>with them or with Microchip that the rep is not doing their job!
>

It may well be that hobbyists are not valued by their sales reps....
I think it is dishonest for me to pretend to be a manufacturer or an engineer.

Dan,,,, patiently awaiting my CD.




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1998\03\24@231030 by CCSystems

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At 09:43 AM 3/24/98 -0800, Bob Blick wrote:
>Microchip still hasn't sent me my "happy fun kit" that I was promised at

Tell 'em before you book the order for 2,500,000 pieces you need the "kit."
It works for me all the time.  I might just have to try it again soon.

BTW, I have 31 copies of their product selection guide.  Don't bother
checking off any Microchip numbers on those bingo-cards -- that's all
you'll get -- regardless of what is offered in the blurb.

Anyone know when Microchip is gonna wise-up and fix MPLAB so it works on
NT?  Those micro-51's are starting to look easier and easier to develop
for.  The PIC is a great uP but...  Whom at Microchip should I pound with a
"clue-by-four"???

Andrew Gerald
Custom Communications Systems

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1998\03\25@072109 by Justin Grimm

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Got to say
After Microchip posted their apology on this list I wrote a letter to
them and within a week!! I got all the information I wanted, postmarked in
the
USA. Well done.
Justin Grimm    RemoveMEreaperspam_OUTspamsouthwest.com.au


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> From: Dan Larson <dlarsonspamspamcitilink.com>
> To: spam_OUTPICLISTspam_OUTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Embedded Controller Handbook
> Date: Wednesday, 25 March 1998 10:13
>
> I contacted my local sales rep after waiting serveral weeks
> from the time I recieved the original "Your name has been forwarded to
> you local sales rep" letter from Microchip.  The local rep said they
> would "Take care of me right away".  I haven't heard from them since.
> Meanwhile, Cindy Trotto posted the PIC list response.  I decided to wait
on
> the "Local Rep" for another week.  No luck.  I then emailed the address
that
> Cindy posted.  Not a word for two weeks.  I contacted Microchip again
>  and got a respose telling me that my CD would be mailed that week and
> that I should contact them (this week) if it did not arrive.  Well, it
didn't
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1998\03\25@092538 by ogerio Odriozola

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I got my CD shipped from the USA to Mexico within 3 weeks, maybe they are
just overloaded with work.

RO





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Got to say
After Microchip posted their apology on this list I wrote a letter to
them and within a week!! I got all the information I wanted, postmarked in
the
USA. Well done.
Justin Grimm    spam_OUTreaperspamKILLspamsouthwest.com.au

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> To: KILLspamPICLISTspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Embedded Controller Handbook
> Date: Wednesday, 25 March 1998 10:13
>
> I contacted my local sales rep after waiting serveral weeks
> from the time I recieved the original "Your name has been forwarded to
> you local sales rep" letter from Microchip.  The local rep said they
> would "Take care of me right away".  I haven't heard from them since.
> Meanwhile, Cindy Trotto posted the PIC list response.  I decided to wait
on
> the "Local Rep" for another week.  No luck.  I then emailed the address
that
> Cindy posted.  Not a word for two weeks.  I contacted Microchip again
>  and got a respose telling me that my CD would be mailed that week and
> that I should contact them (this week) if it did not arrive.  Well, it
didn't
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