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2000\01\12@163527 by Stan Ockers

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                           anode drivers for LED
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I'm am trying to build a low power 2 digit clock-calendar using a
PIC16F84  driving two common anode 7 segment LED digits.  The PIC reads a DS1302
and spends most of its time in sleep.  I'll use the WDT time-out to wake
the PIC.  I'm trying to keep the current draw as low as possible.

I thought I would be real clever and use 1 NPN and 1 PNP transistor to
switch anodes.  This way I can get away with only one pin running through
base resistors to each transistor.  The problem is that one base is forward
biased even if all segments are turned off and draws current all the time.
I could go back to one output pin for each digit but I thought someone on
the list might come up with a way to do it with one pin and draw very
little current when the PIC is sleeping.  I'm running out of pins, ( I have
two pushbutton switches to read too). I need to switch about 100ma.

Also, anyone have experience with super-red led displays.  They seem to
be about 3 times as bright as normal red LED's for the same current .  Can
I expect to run them at about 1/3 the current then and get about the same
light output as the normal ones?

Stan

2000\01\12@171254 by Robert Rolf

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> I'm am trying to build a low power 2 digit clock-calendar using a
> PIC16F84  driving two common anode 7 segment LED digits.  The PIC reads a DS1302
> and spends most of its time in sleep.  I'll use the WDT time-out to wake
> the PIC.  I'm trying to keep the current draw as low as possible.

Then why are you using LED'? I guess you must have the LED's off until
you press a button?


> I thought I would be real clever and use 1 NPN and 1 PNP transistor to
> switch anodes.  This way I can get away with only one pin running through
> base resistors to each transistor.  The problem is that one base is forward
> biased even if all segments are turned off and draws current all the time.

So use logic level N & P channel fets. No current draw at all, even when
turned full on.

> I could go back to one output pin for each digit but I thought someone on
> the list might come up with a way to do it with one pin and draw very
> little current when the PIC is sleeping.  I'm running out of pins, ( I have

Is ZERO good enough for you?

> two pushbutton switches to read too). I need to switch about 100ma.

Lots to choose from. Siliconix, Motorola, IR all make suitable devices.
Take your pick.

> Also, anyone have experience with super-red led displays.  They seem to
> be about 3 times as bright as normal red LED's for the same current .  Can
> I expect to run them at about 1/3 the current then and get about the same
> light output as the normal ones?

Yes.

You can also try strobing your LED's with a much higher (8x) peak
current
with a 10% duty cycle. Our vision system only sees peak brightness, not
average
so the LED's will appear MUCH brighter and yet you won't fry them. There
should be a
spec for "max peak current" for the devices.

We once had a normal clear red LED running at .001% D/C at 50 AMPS using
a laser
diode driver cct. It glowed white. Quite bizarre back in late 70's when
the only color
you could get was red. Now that we get blue LED's I wonder if they'd
glow in the UV...

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2000\01\12@171257 by paulb

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Stan Ockers wrote:

> base resistors to each transistor.  The problem is that one base is
> forward biased even if all segments are turned off and draws current
> all the time.

 You need a P-channel logic FET.
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       Paul B.

2000\01\12@175559 by Ken Webster

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>We once had a normal clear red LED running at .001% D/C at 50 AMPS using
>a laser
>diode driver cct. It glowed white. Quite bizarre back in late 70's when
>the only color
>you could get was red. Now that we get blue LED's I wonder if they'd
>glow in the UV...

Yowsaa!  50A!  Sure it wasn't an incandescent effect?

2000\01\12@180413 by paulb

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Ken Webster wrote:

> Yowsaa!  50A!  Sure it wasn't an incandescent effect?

 That's want I suspected too!
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       Paul B.

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