Searching \ for 'a &' in subject line. ()
Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure! Help us get a faster server
FAQ page: www.piclist.com/techref/index.htm?key=
Search entire site for: 'a &'.

No exact or substring matches. trying for part
PICList Thread
'Parallax vrs MPSA & 16c5x vrs 16c6x'
1996\05\14@163645 by David E. Queen

flavicon
face
{Quote hidden}

1996\05\14@173001 by hoss karoly

flavicon
face
David E. Queen wrote:
> >Also I think most of the people here speak MPASM but the book
> >is PASM. I am worried about the confusion that may be caused
> >by trying to keep the differences (what ever they are) straight.
>
> >
> >Anyone care to comment on the choice of an assemblier?

hardcore assembly wizards tend to use microchip because it lets U
make dense code
but i make small and silly things and the pasm is easy to learn and use
check out the mnemonics and decide
this is only my opinion and not the ULTIMATE TRUTH
bye
charley

'HTML @Mozilla & WWW trouble?'
1996\05\18@235936 by Scott Stephens

picon face
While we debate the appropriateness, maybe someone who commented about
@Mozilla before on this list, can explain why I can't use netscape to get
certain web sites. The host is contacted, but I never get data. And most
often, if I use a shell acount and Lynx, I can contact the web site just
fine. FTP too. I believe @Mozilla as Netscape's user name is to blame.
Mosaic is no better. Any suggestions?



At 02:21 PM 5/17/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I recieved far more response to my posting asking for information about
>off-line viewing of HTML files than I had expected.  To the few that
>expressed dis-satisfaction with my topic, I would like to apologize.  Since
>the majority of the information I have collected and need to view is PIC
>information that was suggested or pointed to on the PICLIST, I thought it was
>appropriate....sorry.  To all those who gave me useful information...THANKS!

1996\05\20@091256 by Mike DeMetz

flavicon
face
> To:            Multiple recipients of list PICLIST <.....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> While we debate the appropriateness, maybe someone who commented about
> @Mozilla before on this list, can explain why I can't use netscape to get
> certain web sites. The host is contacted, but I never get data. And most
> often, if I use a shell acount and Lynx, I can contact the web site just
> fine. FTP too. I believe @Mozilla as Netscape's user name is to blame.
> Mosaic is no better. Any suggestions?
>
Not sure what you are describing. Mozillia is Netscape's POP/SMTP
email program.
**********************************************************
*Mike DeMetz                      SYSCON International   *
*mikedspamKILLspamsyscon-intl.com            South Bend, IN USA     *
*aka .....73165.1230KILLspamspam.....compuserve.com    using Pegasus Mail     *
**********************************************************


'ISA & PCI buses'
1997\01\30@090345 by Pedro Machado
flavicon
face
Hi all!

Is there any good web site where I can find the ISA & PCI buses specs?
Since this is off topic, please reply directly to me.

TIA >:->

Pedro  Nuno Machado
EraseMEpedromspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTburotica.pt


'ISA & PCI buses'
1997\02\19@230252 by en J┐rgensen
flavicon
face
Maybe Here !

http://www.blackdown.org/~hwb/hwb.html

Yours

Chris

----------
{Quote hidden}


'Java & small microcontrollers'
1997\05\07@154141 by Charles Frame
picon face
I'm a novice in this field, so please excuse me if this is a dumb question.
I've been hearing a lot about versions of Java for embedded
microcontrollers, i.e., picoJava, microJava, Java for smartcards, etc.  Is
there any possibility that a Java interpreter will ever be ported to to the
PIC series of microcontrollers or the Motorola 68HC705 series?  Since there
is now a PIC-BASIC, why not a PIC-JAVA?  I'd be interested in what anyone
has to say on this subject.

Thanks much!!

1997\05\07@170127 by Clyde Smith-Stubbs

flavicon
face
Thus spake Charles Frame (RemoveMEcframeTakeThisOuTspamNETNET.NET):

> I've been hearing a lot about versions of Java for embedded
> microcontrollers, i.e., picoJava, microJava, Java for smartcards, etc.  Is
> there any possibility that a Java interpreter will ever be ported to to the
> PIC series of microcontrollers or the Motorola 68HC705 series?  Since there

A Java interpreter, no, but a compiler for some subset of Java for those
chips is not beyond the realms of possibility. There is work underway
to define an Embedded-Java language, but it's not complete yet. Even it may
be oriented to higher-end chips.

Cheers.

--
Clyde Smith-Stubbs    | HI-TECH Software,       | Voice: +61 7 3354 2411
spamBeGoneclydespamBeGonespamhtsoft.com      | P.O. Box 103, Alderley, | Fax:   +61 7 3354 2422
http://www.htsoft.com | QLD, 4051, AUSTRALIA.   |

'USA & Electronic'
1997\05\21@052727 by David BALDWIN

flavicon
face
Thanks to all who replied to my mail about USA & Electronic stores. If
you know some more places near NY (200 miles from there is also good),
let me know. Thanks a lot.

David

1997\05\21@090306 by Andy Kunz

flavicon
face
At 11:26 AM 5/21/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Thanks to all who replied to my mail about USA & Electronic stores. If
>you know some more places near NY (200 miles from there is also good),
>let me know. Thanks a lot.

That includes most of the East Coast down to Washington, DC!

Andy

======================================================================
Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 USA
             Electronics for Industry & R/C Hobbyists
        "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
======================================================================

1997\05\21@092623 by David BALDWIN

flavicon
face
Andy Kunz wrote:
>
> At 11:26 AM 5/21/97 +0200, you wrote:
> >Thanks to all who replied to my mail about USA & Electronic stores. If
> >you know some more places near NY (200 miles from there is also good),
> >let me know. Thanks a lot.
>
> That includes most of the East Coast down to Washington, DC!
>
> Andy
>
> ======================================================================
> Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 USA
>               Electronics for Industry & R/C Hobbyists
>          "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
> ======================================================================

--

       yes, but there isn't 1000 people in the mailing list... :)

 _____________
 \           /               David BALDWIN
  \ ALCATEL /               Design engineer
   \TELECOM/
    \     /         SdM (Societe de Microelectronique)
     \   /
      \ /      B.P. 4205            Phone : +32 (0)71 442932
       V       B-6000 Charleroi     Fax   : +32 (0)71 442905
               (Belgium)            TakeThisOuTbaldwinEraseMEspamspam_OUTetca.alcatel.be


'Wich voltage must have SDA & SDL lines?'
1999\04\05@065118 by JAM [Naish]
flavicon
face
In a Bus i2C, wich voltage must have the lines named SDA & SCL? And wich
voltage must then be the signals to these lines?


               Thank you

1999\04\05@150117 by Gerhard Fiedler

picon face
At 12:46 04/05/99 +0200, JAM [Naish] wrote:
>In a Bus i2C, wich voltage must have the lines named SDA & SCL? And wich
>voltage must then be the signals to these lines?

the devices on these lines are defined as OC outputs and inputs w/
thresholds of approx. 0.5V (off) and 1.5V (on). the voltage on the bus is
not specified, so it may be anything from 2.5V or so upwards, depending of
course on the devices you're using. there is a document on the philips site
("the i2c bus and how to use it") which contains these specs.

ge


'IIC - PIC16C62A & 24cXX (EEPROMS)'
1999\10\17@111750 by John Feron
flavicon
face
part 0 3920 bytes
<META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content='"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=GENERATOR>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>Many thanks for reading this
message.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>Does anyone have info about
initialisation of the SFRegisters inside the PIC16C62A to exchange data via the
IIC protocol to a 24C64 EEPROM.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>In my first PIC project I used the
IIC protocol to send data to a PCF8576 LCD-display controller. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>I did it &quot;the software way&quot;
so I didnot use the SFR-registers inside the PIC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>I would like to exchange data using a
clock frequency from about 50 or 75 kHz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>I only have to send and receive data
from this EEPROM device, there are no other</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>IIC devices on my board. The PIC is
always MASTER and the 24C64 is always SLAVE.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>So my questions are: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; how do I send a byte from MASTER to SLAVE , and checking
the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; acknowledge impulse from
the slave device</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; how do I read a byte in the slave-device</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; after reading how do I generate an acknowledge impulse or a
so called</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; no-acknowledge
impulse</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>ALL THIS USING THE HARDWARE
IMPLEMENTED IIC REGISTERS</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>Many thanks in advance for any
reactions on my question.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>E-MAIL : <A
href="RemoveMEJFERONspamTakeThisOuTGIRONET.NL">JFERONEraseMEspam.....GIRONET.NL</A></FONT></DIV>> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>or via
: <A
href="
EraseMEPICLISTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU">RemoveMEPICLISTEraseMEspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU</A></FONT></DIV>> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

</x-html>


'[OT] FDA & rechargable medical devices'
2000\01\25@154138 by Robert Rolf
picon face
Hello again,

Does anyone on this list have any experience/suggestions on
the FDA's take on incorporation of rechargeable batteries
in patient connected medical devices (like TENS units)?
The regulations have been changing rather dramatically and
the info I had is now out of date and I haven't yet found
anything on-line that seems relevant.

Is it acceptable for the device to connect to a wall wart if
a DPDT switch ensures that it is not possible for a patients
electrodes to have a path to the AC outlet? What is the newest
breakdown voltage spec?

Of course I will research it further, but I'd like some indication
of whether I'd just be wasting my time. (talk about phone book
thick regulatory docs...)

Pointers to TFM appreciated.

And yes, it uses a PIC.

TIA

RemoveMERobert.Rolfspam_OUTspamKILLspamUAlberta.ca

'[OT] Wall Warts WAS: FDA & rechargable medical dev'
2000\01\25@164337 by Harold M Hallikainen

picon face
       While not answering the question... I have seen medical rated wall
warts. I believe they had a ground pin that was connected to an
electrostatic shield between primary and secondary.
       On the wall wart front... Anyone aware of a wall wart rated for OUTDOOR
use? I have an application where I need a 12V, 1A, 120VAC input wall wart
that is not marked "for indoor use only." I doubt it would be used in the
rain, but I think we'd have a hard time selling an outdoor product with
these indoor wallwarts.
       One more wall wart... How about one with a 3 prong US plug (hot,
neutral, ground) AND has the ground connected to the negative side of the
output? Most that I've seen seem to be like the medical one I described
above. The output floats (is not grounded).

Thanks!

Harold



FCC Rules Online at http://hallikainen.com/FccRules
Lighting control for theatre and television at http://www.dovesystems.com

________________________________________________________________
YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
Try it today - there's no risk!  For your FREE software, visit:
dl.http://www.juno.com/get/tagj.

'[OT] FDA & rechargable medical devices'
2000\01\25@170220 by Barry King

flavicon
face
Robert,

You might try Compliance Engineering magazine.  They have a lot of
reference material on regulatory compliance for Medical, EMI / RFI,
safety, etc.  I use them for info on FCC and CE marking, but they
also track medical devices compliance issues, especially the new
European harmonized requirements.

http://www.ce-mag.com

Look for the Annual reference Guide, that should get you started.

Barry.
------------
Barry King, Engineering Manager
NRG Systems "Measuring the Wind's Energy"
http://www.nrgsystems.com
Phone: 802-482-2255
FAX:   802-482-2272

2000\01\26@113249 by Jeffrey Siegel

flavicon
face
Robert,

> Does anyone on this list have any experience/suggestions on
> the FDA's take on incorporation of rechargeable batteries...
>
> Is it acceptable for the device to connect to a wall wart if
> a DPDT switch ensures that it is not possible for a patients
> electrodes to have a path to the AC outlet? What is the newest
> breakdown voltage spec?

I don't remember reading anything about rechargeable batteries from the FDA.
Their web site is very well organized these days and has an amazingly fast
search capability - you might want to try that (http://www.fda.gov - medical
devices section).

With regard to patient isolation, there are many specs.  The best place for
getting information on this is the AAMI (http://www.aami.org) which publish a
number of specifications that the FDA uses for compliance.  On top of that,
the FDA has published some very good articles about 510(k) requirements for
various medical devices.  They are all on their web site.

Good luck!

...Jeff

2000\01\30@052154 by paulb

flavicon
face
Robert Rolf wrote:

> Is it acceptable for the device to connect to a wall wart if a DPDT
> switch ensures that it is not possible for a patients electrodes to
> have a path to the AC outlet?

 I doubt very much whether a DPDT switch (remember, slide switches in
particular and rotary switches if so designed are frequently make-
before-break) would be anywhere near acceptable.

 Unless the wall-wart itself is rated for *full* isolation to the
relevant standards, I'd stick to the conventional approach of using
either a common receptacle into which you may plug *either* the charger
*or* the patient leads, or two receptacles with an exclusion shutter
which covers either one or other at any given time.
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.

2000\01\31@040232 by Robert Rolf

picon face
"Paul B. Webster VK2BZC" wrote:
> Robert Rolf wrote:
> > Is it acceptable for the device to connect to a wall wart if a DPDT
> > switch ensures that it is not possible for a patients electrodes to
> > have a path to the AC outlet?
>
>   I doubt very much whether a DPDT switch (remember, slide switches in
> particular and rotary switches if so designed are frequently make-
> before-break) would be anywhere near acceptable.

But a toggle (as I plan on using) IS break before make.

So how far does one have to go to deal with 'possible' failure modes?

Conceivably the contact could fail on, but this usually takes heavy
current, and I am drawing relatively little.

Conceivably the use could break the switch and cause a short AND have
a charger leakage failure AND have his stim leads attached AND have a failure in the
isolated output stage. How idiot proof does one have to make this?

I'm trying to get a handle on how far I have to go to be considered
safe as far as the FDA sees it. The regulatory binders are unbelievably
thick, complex, and incomprehensible. It would appear that one BUYs
one's certification. Good engineering appears to have almost _nothing_
to do with successful first time approvals (unless one throws unreasonable
amounts of money at it, which we can't afford).

>   Unless the wall-wart itself is rated for *full* isolation to the
> relevant standards, I'd stick to the conventional approach of using
> either a common receptacle into which you may plug *either* the charger
> *or* the patient leads, or two receptacles with an exclusion shutter
> which covers either one or other at any given time.

Thank you for the suggestion. We'd than have to make it impossible for
the user to use any 'normal' charger he could find.

I've been looking for 'rechargeable stimulators' on the web, but haven't
yet found any. Surely some approved TENS unit has in situ rechargeable cells.

TIA for any additional info you can point me at.

Robert

2000\01\31@054844 by paulb

flavicon
face
Robert Rolf wrote:

> But a toggle (as I plan on using) IS break before make.

 But no guarantee that both toggles act together.

> So how far does one have to go to deal with 'possible' failure modes?
> Conceivably the contact could fail on, but this usually takes heavy
> current, and I am drawing relatively little.

 Yes, that's one failure mode, but wear in the assembly is another,
manufacturing imperfections, metal fatigue.  It's not at all sure that
you can't under some circumstance have one side of the toggle set one
way and the other, the other, thus providing a path from the charger to
user.

> Conceivably the use could break the switch and cause a short AND have
> a charger leakage failure AND have his stim leads attached AND have a
> failure in the isolated output stage. How idiot proof does one have to
> make this?

 You know what they say.

> I'm trying to get a handle on how far I have to go to be considered
> safe as far as the FDA sees it.

 Actually, I know nothing about the actual FDA rules.  I do know that
medical equipment is very conservatively designed (mind you, I have some
really old valve-based ECG equipment hanging around here somewhere
IIRC...)
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.


'[OT] NASA & Bot-ball'
2000\03\16@051610 by Russell McMahon
picon face
A few PICs in here perhaps?

====================================

March 15, 2000
John Bluck

NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Phone:  650/604-5026 or 604-9000
E-mail:  RemoveMEjbluckTakeThisOuTspamspammail.arc.nasa.gov


RELEASE:  00-19AR
NOTE TO EDITORS AND NEWS DIRECTORS: You are invited to attend a mini-robot
'Botball 2000' contest from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PST Saturday, March 18
in the ballroom of the Moffett Training and Conference Center, Bldg. 3, at
NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA.  To go to Ames, take the
Moffett Field exit off Highway 101, drive east to the main gate of Moffett
Federal Airfield for directions to the contest location.  Media
representatives may arrive early, if they wish.  Please do not use TV
lights during the competitions as these will affect the robot sensors.
U.S. media representatives who are U.S. citizens or have green cards must
have valid picture identification in order to enter Ames.

NASA AMES TO HOST STUDENT MINI-ROBOT COMPETITION

Teams consisting of two robots each will "do battle" with similar robot
buddy pairs during a high school 'botball' tournament at NASA Ames Research
Center, in California's Silicon Valley, on Saturday afternoon, March 18.
Single-team seeding rounds will begin at 9:00 a.m. PST.

Hundreds of California youths on 26 teams from 19 California high schools
will watch as about 50 student-made robots compete to put the most pingpong
balls into a moveable target within a set time limit during the contests.

"If you talk to the kids, you'll find that they've seen robot wars on TV
during which machines try to destroy one another; we don't do that in the
botball tournament," said NASA Ames engineer Terry Grant, who volunteered
to help students and teachers.   "But robots are allowed to block each
other without disabling opponents," he added.

During morning seeding rounds, one team at a time will put balls into the
target.  "Starting at 1 p.m. the head-to-head competitions begin; it's a
double elimination, and so each team will have at least two tries to win,"
Grant said.  "After you lose twice, you're out, and the remaining teams
continue play until one is left," Grant explained.

Each team has two small robots, one with a bigger computer processor than
the other.  The machines will battle on a smooth, 4-foot by 8-foot surface.
Organizers said they designed the event to enthuse high school students
about engineering, science and mathematics.


-more-
-2-
"The challenge is for the team to design their buddy robots to work
together," Grant said.

This year's tournament has about 50% more participants than a similar
contest last year. Schools receive robot kits, each with hundreds of parts
as well as sensors, motors, two battery-powered microcomputer/controllers
and programming software.

"I find it a challenge to support the students and teachers," Grant
said.  "The students learn how to work under pressure because they are only
given about six weeks to prepare for the contest. There's a great need to
'turn on' students to today's technology, and I see botball as satisfying
that need."

The botball program teaches students C computer programming as well
as increases their skills and interest in mathematics, science, physics and
design, according to organizers. Teachers attended a three-day hands-on
tutorial to learn how to use the robotic kits.

Students assemble the mini robots with help from teachers and
representatives of the sponsoring organizations.  Youths program the robots
to operate on their own.  Organizers do not permit remote control of the
robots during the contest.  The schools provide desktop computers and
workspace. Assembly of the robots requires no machine tools or electronics
laboratories. The schools will retain the robotic equipment for educational
use.

The program provides hands-on education by connecting students with
companies, government agencies and colleges.  The project is co-sponsored
by NASA Ames and the non-profit KISS Institute for Practical Robotics,
University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK.  The Institute has encouraged similar
contests in other parts of the country.  In addition to NASA Ames, NASA's
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD; NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, CA; and many other organizations are co-sponsors.

Participating high schools in the local competition include:
American, Fremont, CA; Tennyson, Hayward, CA; Jordon, Los Angeles, CA; La
Canada, La Canada, CA: Menlo-Atherton, Atherton, CA; Freedom, Oakley, CA;
Crystal Springs Uplands, Hillsborough, CA; Castilleja, Palo Alto, CA; Oak
Ridge, El Dorado Hills, CA; Los Altos, Los Altos, CA; Monta Vista,
Cupertino, CA; and Abraham Lincoln, Oak Grove, Gunderson, Independence, Mt.
Pleasant, Santa Teresa, Broadway and Foothill, all in San Jose, CA.

More information about the botball contest can be found on the Internet at
the KISS web site, http://www.kipr.org/ and http://robotics.nasa.gov/ on
the Ames web site.
-end-

To receive Ames press releases via email, send an email with the word
"subscribe" in subject line to:  EraseMEames-releases-requestspamspamspamBeGonelists.arc.nasa.gov.> To unsubscribe, send an email to:  RemoveMEames-releases-requestKILLspamspamlists.arc.nasa.gov> with "unsubscribe" in subject line.  Also, the NASA Ames Public Affairs
Home Page at URL,
http://ccf.arc.nasa.gov/dx includes press releases and
JPEG images in AP Leaf Desk format minus embedded captions.


'[PIC] - TRISA & Ox7F - ????'
2003\03\03@155518 by Des Bromilow
flavicon
face
Hi,

I'm pulling apart some code fragments from various websites and found this

port_tris = TRISA & 0x7F


and


movlw     b'00000000'           ;All pins on port A are output
movwf     TRISA & 0x7F


The first one I suspected was for AND'ing the current TRIS contents with 0111 1111 to preserve the settings except clearing the MSB, but after seeing the second code fragment I'm not so sure.
So, Can someone tell what the purpose of the the "& 0x7F" is?
Thanks,
Des Bromilow

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic:
[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

2003\03\03@161826 by Byron A Jeff

face picon face
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 06:57:31AM +1000, Des Bromilow wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm pulling apart some code fragments from various websites and found this
>
> port_tris = TRISA & 0x7F
>
>
> and
>
>
> movlw     b'00000000'           ;All pins on port A are output
> movwf     TRISA & 0x7F
>
>
> The first one I suspected was for AND'ing the current TRIS contents with
> 0111 1111 to preserve the settings except clearing the MSB, but after seeing
> the second code fragment I'm not so sure.

Your suspicions are correct on this first one.


> So, Can someone tell what the purpose of the the "& 0x7F" is?

It's purpose is to get rid of a annoying warning message:

Message [302] Register in operand not in bank 0. Ensure bank bits are correct.

It's a quirk of the instruction set, which only has 7 bits to hold register
information. TRISA is in bank 1 which means that its high bit is set. So
the assembler is warning you that you may not get the expected result by
using that register. The '& 0x7f' clears the top bit and gets rid of the
warning without changing the instruction. Another op that's used a lot here is
'^ 0x80' which accomplishes the same thing.

BAJ

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic:
[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

2003\03\03@171904 by Andrew Warren

flavicon
face
Byron A Jeff <PICLISTSTOPspamspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu> wrote:

> The '& 0x7f' clears the top bit and gets rid of the warning without
> changing the instruction. Another op that's used a lot here is '^
> 0x80' which accomplishes the same thing.

   ... except that "^ 0x80" has the very desirable side-effect of
   generating a warning if you ever accidentally apply it to a
   register that's ALREADY in bank 0.

   -Andy

=== Andrew Warren -- spamBeGoneaiwSTOPspamspamEraseMEcypress.com
=== Principal Design Engineer
=== Cypress Semiconductor Corporation
===
=== Opinions expressed above do not
=== necessarily represent those of
=== Cypress Semiconductor Corporation

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic:
[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads


'[OT:] Australia && embedded technology'
2004\02\03@223343 by Dmitriy Fitisov
flavicon
face
Hmmm...
I wonder what about Australia - why is it so strong in embedded - PIC etc..
A lot of people, e-shops etc.. - everything Australia.
http://www.kitsrus.com
http://www.dontronics.com
http://www.ozitronics.com

etc...
Any explanation to this phenomen ;)? May be Thailand/Malaysia/Singapour is
too close?

thanks.
Dmitriy Fitisov.

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different
ways.  See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

2004\02\03@224423 by cdb

flavicon
face
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:31:38 -0500, Dmitriy Fitisov wrote:
::I wonder what about Australia - why is it so strong in embedded -
::PIC etc..
::A lot of people, e-shops etc.. - everything Australia.

Actually, I don't think Australia is over represented in this area,
especially when it comes to buying chips at decent prices.

I have found, generally speaking the electronics
trade/industry/suppliers to be very expensive and certainly for
hobbie(y)sts not very many retail suppliers. I am comparing this to
the UK, and accept that the consumer base is propably magnitudes
smaller than Europe.

In Pic chips, excluding RS and Farnell whose prices even for industry
are horrendous, partly due to the exchange rate fixing they do for
their catalogue lives, most suppliers only stock the 84 @ A$14-15.00,
only two Dontronics and Microzed have a real selection of other
chips, and neither of them have the same variety or price that
Crownhill, Mechanique (UK) or even Wouter has.

I normally buy all my chip either from Crownhill or Peter Anderson.

Colin
--
cdb, KILLspambodgy1spamBeGonespamoptusnet.com.au on 04/02/2004

I have always been a few Dendrites short of an Axon and believe me it
shows.

Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright
until they speak!

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different
ways.  See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

2004\02\04@025629 by Jinx

face picon face
>May be Thailand/Malaysia/Singapour is too close?

Are you offering to move them ?

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email EraseMElistservspamEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@032611 by Wouter van Ooijen

face picon face
> I wonder what about Australia - why is it so strong in
> embedded - PIC etc..
> A lot of people, e-shops etc.. - everything Australia.
> http://www.kitsrus.com

AFAIK kitsrus is not in Australia at all. Maybe it's in your head?

Wouter van Ooijen

-- -------------------------------------------
Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl
consultancy, development, PICmicro products

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email @spam@listserv@spam@spamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@041457 by Dmitriy Fitisov

flavicon
face
Yes, they are not in Australia, but their payment processor is in Australia,
designer is in Australia.
Thinking about soft (UNIX/Windows) nothing comes to my head about Australia
except Chris Maunder.
Do you know plenty known software houses from Australia?

Dmitriy.

{Original Message removed}

2004\02\04@041706 by Dmitriy Fitisov

flavicon
face
Is it the case?

I think that US and Canada have basically the same distance - and
yet having 4 times bigger population then Australia from Canada I
do not see so much activities.

Dmitriy.

{Original Message removed}

2004\02\04@041912 by Wouter van Ooijen

face picon face
> Do you know plenty known software houses from Australia?

A different coincidence: some years ago there were AFAIK only two free
compilers for PICs: my Jal and Pavel Baranov's C2C/P2C. At that moment
Pavel and I worked within 500 meters of each other (in Huizen,
Netherlands).

Wouter van Ooijen

-- -------------------------------------------
Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl
consultancy, development, PICmicro products

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email spamBeGonelistservspamKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@044537 by Dmitriy Fitisov

flavicon
face
> Do you know plenty known software houses from Australia?

A different coincidence: some years ago there were AFAIK only two free
compilers for PICs: my Jal and Pavel Baranov's C2C/P2C. At that moment
Pavel and I worked within 500 meters of each other (in Huizen,
Netherlands).

Wouter van Ooijen

-----------------------------------------------

Which just prove the point - there is no so software powerhouses in
Australia ;)
Another one:
http://www.minikits.com.au/kits4.html

The only country-related embedded web-ring I've heard is Australian
Electronics Web Ring


-- -------------------------------------------
Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl
consultancy, development, PICmicro products

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email .....listservspam_OUTspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email TakeThisOuTlistserv.....spamTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@053146 by Jinx

face picon face
> > I wonder what about Australia - why is it so strong in
> > embedded - PIC etc..
> > A lot of people, e-shops etc.. - everything Australia.

Dmitriy, did you see these links I posted the other day ?

Interim summary of global entrepreneurship in 2003

www.gemconsortium.org/download/1075242014968/ReynoldsLaunchPresentati
onGEMGlobal03.ppt  (623kB file, PowerPoint viewer available from Microsoft)

Full report due 19th Feb

Home page http://www.gemconsortium.org

You'll see that Southern Hemisphere countries do better than
average in industries that would include technical innovations

Per population, countries like Chile, Australia and New Zealand
could said to be "boxing above their weight"

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email TakeThisOuTlistservKILLspamspamspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@053600 by Dmitriy Fitisov

flavicon
face
> > I wonder what about Australia - why is it so strong in
> > embedded - PIC etc..
> > A lot of people, e-shops etc.. - everything Australia.

Dmitriy, did you see these links I posted the other day ?

Interim summary of global entrepreneurship in 2003

www.gemconsortium.org/download/1075242014968/ReynoldsLaunchPresentati
onGEMGlobal03.ppt  (623kB file, PowerPoint viewer available from Microsoft)

-----No, I did not. I just joined the list a few days.
-----The link is not working, but I believe you.

Full report due 19th Feb

Home page http://www.gemconsortium.org

You'll see that Southern Hemisphere countries do better than
average in industries that would include technical innovations

Per population, countries like Chile, Australia and New Zealand
could said to be "boxing above their weight"

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email .....listservspamRemoveMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email RemoveMElistservspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@055257 by Jinx

face picon face
www.gemconsortium.org/download/1075242014968/Reynolds
LaunchPresentationGEMGlobal03.ppt

> -----No, I did not. I just joined the list a few days.
> -----The link is not working, but I believe you.

It does work but you'll probably need to Copy/Paste each line or
get to it through the Press Releases link

As for your original question, I don't know exactly why some
countries do better than others. It could be the education system
(including job-related schemes like apprenticeships), level of
government assistance, or maybe it's just a cultural get-up-and-go
attitude, and success breeding success. I was very surprised to
see that the US didn't rate higher

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email spamBeGonelistserv@spam@spamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@063249 by Ian McLean

flavicon
face
> As for your original question, I don't know exactly why some
> countries do better than others. It could be the education system
> (including job-related schemes like apprenticeships), level of
> government assistance, or maybe it's just a cultural get-up-and-go
> attitude, and success breeding success. I was very surprised to
> see that the US didn't rate higher

IMHO, this is a very kind assessment.  Thanks Jinx ;)  Puts us Aussie's in a
pretty good light.

Australian's have always been known for being hard workers with a
get-up-and-go attitude.  I believe this is still largely relevant - and the
attitude seems to be infectious too, as, at least as far as I can tell, our
foreign imports and immigrants come here and most do make a really honest
and hard working go of things.

The point I am trying to make here is that we *have* to have a real
get-up-and-go attitude, especially in professional industries, and
especially in todays market.  So many people want to work here, the
competition is stiff for a relatively small number of jobs.

As for the electronics hobbyist seen, well, it had a major hey-day here in
Australia from the 70's through to the 90's, but the interest seems to be on
a very steep decline now.  I reckon todays range of consumer gadgets and
computers are largely responsible for that.  I guess simple beginners
electronics is just not enough to capture the interest of many of todays
children.

Rgs
Ian.

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email TakeThisOuTlistservspamspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@064119 by Wouter van Ooijen

face picon face
> but the interest seems to be on
> a very steep decline now.  I reckon todays range of consumer
> gadgets and computers are largely responsible for that.
> I guess simple beginners
> electronics is just not enough to capture the interest of
> many of todays children.

Same problem everywhere :(

Wouter van Ooijen

-- -------------------------------------------
Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl
consultancy, development, PICmicro products

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email listservEraseMEspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@064741 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> www.gemconsortium.org/download/1075242014968/Reynolds
> LaunchPresentationGEMGlobal03.ppt
>
> > -----No, I did not. I just joined the list a few days.
> > -----The link is not working, but I believe you.
>
> It does work but you'll probably need to Copy/Paste each line or
> get to it through the Press Releases link


How about


http://www.gemconsortium.org/download/1075893927453/GEM2003Global%20Report%20Launch%

aka

       http://tinyurl.com/2w3kr

RM

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email RemoveMElistservEraseMEspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@073632 by Jinx

face picon face
> I reckon todays range of consumer gadgets and computers
> are largely responsible for that.  I guess simple beginners
> electronics is just not enough to capture the interest of many
> of todays children

The story I've often heard is that a small producer like NZ simply
can't compete with a place like China when it comes to mass
production of cheap goods, so the answer is to make specialised
high-end products and make them well. These obviously have
to be either invented from scratch or be innovations and/or
enhancementsof existing products. It's certainly the way I have
chosen to do business. No way on a small scale would I try to
economically copy the kinds of appliances or electronic products
on the market (which are also so cheap they aren't even worth
repairing) but I can customise them or use them as the basis for
a new product

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email @spam@listservRemoveMEspamEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@092550 by James Caska

flavicon
face
As another 'innovative ozzie :-)' I read somewhere that the
Australia/NewZealand/US have such innovative cultures because of the
genetic stock of being free-settlers from various mother countries (like
england) looking to better their lot in life and take risks to do so..
Seems to make sense.

James Caska
http://www.muvium.com
uVM - 'Java Bred for Embedded'



{Original Message removed}

2004\02\04@094053 by Spehro Pefhany

picon face
At 10:31 PM 2/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hmmm...
>I wonder what about Australia - why is it so strong in embedded - PIC etc..
>A lot of people, e-shops etc.. - everything Australia.
>http://www.kitsrus.com
>http://www.dontronics.com
>http://www.ozitronics.com
>
>etc...
>Any explanation to this phenomen ;)? May be Thailand/Malaysia/Singapour is
>too close?

The hobby end of things seems to still be stronger in Oz than elsewhere in
the English-speaking world.

Best regards,

Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..."            "The Journey is the reward"
EraseMEspeffspam@spam@interlog.com             Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog  Info for designers:  http://www.speff.com

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email @spam@listservspam_OUTspam.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@100418 by User DmitriyDmitriy Fitisov

flavicon
face
> As another 'innovative ozzie :-)' I read somewhere that the
> Australia/NewZealand/US have such innovative cultures because of the
> genetic stock of being free-settlers from various mother countries (like
> england) looking to better their lot in life and take risks to do so..
> Seems to make sense.
>
> James Caska
> http://www.muvium.com
> uVM - 'Java Bred for Embedded'
>

That's right. However - why exactly in embedded/Pci etc.., not in another
areas?
What makes embedded so special?
You see - Spehro agrees with me.

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email spamBeGonelistservEraseMEspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@100627 by llile

flavicon
face
>>May be Thailand/Malaysia/Singapour is too close?

>Are you offering to move them ?

Yes!  REUNITE PANGEA!!!

-- Lawrence Lile





Jinx <joecolquittspamBeGonespamCLEAR.NET.NZ>
Sent by: pic microcontroller discussion list <RemoveMEPICLIST@spam@spamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
02/04/2004 01:57 AM
Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list


       To:     .....PICLIST@spam@spamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU
       cc:
       Subject:        Re: [OT:] Australia && embedded technology


>May be Thailand/Malaysia/Singapour is too close?

Are you offering to move them ?

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email .....listservRemoveMEspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body



--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email .....listservSTOPspamspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@113812 by Alan B. Pearce

face picon face
>> As another 'innovative ozzie :-)' I read somewhere that the
>> Australia/NewZealand/US have such innovative cultures because of the
>>genetic stock of being free-settlers from various mother countries (like
>> england) looking to better their lot in life and take risks to do so..
>> Seems to make sense.

I have often figured this was the case too, but then I am a Kiwi :))

>That's right. However - why exactly in embedded/Pci etc.., not in another
>areas?
>What makes embedded so special?

Nothing makes embedded so special, perhaps it is just that others don't know
about what the antipodeans do. I will relate some kiwi ones.

1. It may have been an English expedition that went to Mount Everest, but it
was a Kiwi (Sir Edmond Hillary) on it that got to the top first.

2. It may have been the Americans that went to the moon, but the PI leading
the space program (Dr. William Pickering) is a New Zealander. (AFAIK he is
still alive, but would be in his 80's now). My father used to see him when
they were on their way to secondary school, and at that stage William
Pickering had made a compact portable valve radio that he could take with
him, so his skills showed from an early age.

3. Anybody who rides a jet ski is riding a New Zealand invention, in the
form of the Jet Propulsion unit. The original Jet Boat Propulsion unit was
invented in the early to mid 1950's, and propelled the only boats to go all
the way up the Colorado River, rapids and all (see the National Geographic
Magazine from the late 50's or 60's). The Jet Ski as we know it today seems
to have been designed and built once the patent on the original Jet
Propulsion unit ran out. Jet Boats are also extensively used around the
worlds tourist spots (Niagara Falls is one that comes to mind) for
transporting tourists.

4. Anybody driving a Mazda Rotary powered car is only doing so because of
the skill of a New Zealand engineer who sorted out the problems with the
rotor seals always leaking, causing the motor to use lots of oil. The
engineer concerned was part of the support team of Rod Millen (I believe
still doing rallies and hill climbs in the USA), back when Rod was rallying
the original Mazda Capella in NZ, and Mazda saw what he was doing, and gave
them assistance, with the result that the technology made its way into the
road car.

5. As a certain president of the USA got reminded, it was a New Zealander
who first "split the atom" (Lord Rutherford), and he did that back in the
early 1900's (well before WW1). Agreed that most of the work that allowed
him to discover the structure of the atom occurred in the UK (Manchester
University) and in Canada (IIRC in Toronto).

I am sure that other Kiwis and Ozzies on the list can come up with more for
their respective countries.

Alan (Kiwi and proud of it)

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email listservEraseMEspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@121918 by Howard Winter

face
flavicon
picon face
Alan,

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:02:39 -0000, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

> >> As another 'innovative ozzie :-)' I read somewhere that the
> >> Australia/NewZealand/US have such innovative cultures because of the
> >>genetic stock of being free-settlers from various mother countries (like
> >> england) looking to better their lot in life and take risks to do so..

I'm not sure what the ratio of "free settlers" to the other kind is in Australia, but still... ;-)

> I have often figured this was the case too, but then I am a Kiwi :))

Now there I have no argument.  Having been there a couple of times I have great respect for your countrymen,
and the things they have achieved.  I was surprised to find a solution to variable supply:demand of
electricity in Oamaru, was that when there's excess capacity (local small-scale hydro-electric, so not very
controllable) they send a signal down the mains to turn on electric storage heaters in peoples' homes to
absorb the excess!  I never did find out how this is accepted/paid for by customers, but it's an interesting
technical solution.  And the underground hydro-electric generating station in the middle of the mountain near
Milford Sound (I forget its name) is just amazing!

Shame about the 100kph speed limit though - I got my second-ever speeding ticket (having been driving in the
UK for about 30 years) on my first visit to NZ.  Those darned through-the-windscreen radar units in police
cars are an invention you can keep!  :-#

> >That's right. However - why exactly in embedded/Pci etc.., not in another
> >areas?
> >What makes embedded so special?
>
> Nothing makes embedded so special, perhaps it is just that others don't know
> about what the antipodeans do. I will relate some kiwi ones.

>snip<

All acknowledged.  Except that Tensing Norgay *may* have been the first to set foot at the top... :-)))

> I am sure that other Kiwis and Ozzies on the list can come up with more for their respective countries.

I won't run through inventions from the UK, but a small aside: I was amazed to hear it confirmed in a
television programme about the Jet engine that despite inventing it in 1928, and patenting it, Frank Whittle
got virtually nothing (apart from a knighthood) from it.  If he'd had £1 royalty from every jet engine made,
he would have been a Very Rich Man when he died - but no, the Government virtually stole it from him, and then
later gave it away to America.  Luckily we still have RR making the things, otherwise it would have been a
total loss to the UK.

> Alan (Kiwi and proud of it)

Cheers,

Howard (Englishman and proud of it, which for some strange reason is often frowned upon!)

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email RemoveMElistservspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@124903 by Alan B. Pearce

face picon face
>I'm not sure what the ratio of "free settlers" to
>the other kind is in Australia, but still... ;-)

Heh, heh, it is interesting to go around the major cities. Adelaide makes a
big thing out of never having been a prison colony. :)

However I suspect that those who ended up being transported were the more
adventurously minded types anyway, which is why, in many cases, they got
into the trouble they did (I am not including those who stole food just to
survive as being "getting into trouble", they were victims of other
circumstances, and were hard done by).

{Quote hidden}

This is probably not done so much now, today they would sell any excess on
the open market, just like the UK. Back then it was commonly done all over
the country to even out the heating load over the day/night cycle. The rate
for this style of heating was much lower, and could have had a separate
power meter to monitor it. Hot water heating could also be controlled in a
similar manner. However one of the problems of this style of switching was
that the tone put down the power line to control the switches also produced
high currents that could put the supply authority over their peak current if
they had not predicted the loading properly.

>And the underground hydro-electric generating station in the
>middle of the mountain near Milford Sound (I forget its name)
>is just amazing!

This was built primarily to power an aluminium smelter at the southern end
of the South Island. I believe it does also feed the national Grid these
days as well.

You obviously did not visit the Clutha power station, which is built on a
river which runs down an earthquake fault line. The dam has a great big
wedge in the middle to take account of any earth movement between the two
sides. Still not sure that I would want to live downriver of it though.

>Shame about the 100kph speed limit though - I got my second-ever
>speeding ticket (having been driving in the UK for about 30 years)
>on my first visit to NZ.  Those darned through-the-windscreen
>radar units in police cars are an invention you can keep!  :-#

Heh, heh, that is American technology I believe :)) They have been real hot
on making people stick to the speed limits, and it has apparently brought
the accident rate down quite markedly. The worst radar units are in the back
of estate cars. They used to operate them with the tailgate open, and always
use a flash, but now they do not open the tailgate, and the flash is only
used at night. None of the nonsense like the UK has either, about only
taking pictures from behind the car, it will get you in either direction
from one car.

>> about what the antipodeans do. I will relate some kiwi ones.
>
>>snip<
>
>All acknowledged.  Except that Tensing Norgay *may* have
>been the first to set foot at the top... :-)))

I understand that they did eventually acknowledge that Hillary was actually
the first to stand on the top, but he was gracious enough to acknowledge
that without Tensing, he would not have made it either, and kept insisting
that they both made the top together.

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email spamBeGonelistservKILLspamspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@152527 by Jinx

face picon face
> They have been real hot on making people stick to the speed limits,
> and it has apparently brought the accident rate down quite markedly

Ooooh, don't even go there. It's a very hot topic. Despite collecting
hundreds of millions of dollars from speed cameras, the road toll
actually went up in 2003.

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/media/2004/040101.html

LTSA, in this area, is widely perceived as a revenue gatherer for the
government. Toll roads are next, betcha

I came across a report by the Australian Ombudsman on this issue

www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/publications/Publist_pdfs/reports/
SRTP_speedometers_and_speeding_fines_0403.pdf

(hehe, Ombo. "Hey Ombo, here a minute mate, meet Gazza and Davo"

and he makes comment about the inaccuracies of speedometers.
Now _there's_ a product idea

===========================================

I have to pass on this "Story From The Troops" I heard from the
NZ Police Association President. It's funny but despicable

Two cops in a patrol car are across the road from a South Island
tavern, waiting for closing time so they can nab drunk drivers. Come
closing time they spot this guy noticeably wobble out the door, drink
obviously having got better of him. They watch him stumble and lurch
to the car park, fumble for keys and be generally unco-ordinated. So
they pounce on him as he gets into his car. He immediately sobers up
and says "Hi guys, I'm the designated drunk". The cops then realise
that the rest of the bar, probably half-pissed at least, had all hopped
in their cars and disappeared while they were focusing on chummy

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email listservspam_OUTspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@165920 by Liam O'Hagan

flavicon
face
I agree about the decline, I remember when Disk SMith Electronics sold
electronic componentry, and not cheap DVD players and mobile phones...

Jaycar is headed the same way, Tandy went that way many years ago, there's
no other large chain of hobbyist electronics retailers, meaning I have to
source different parts off many different suppliers, or pay the hugely
inflated prices ffrom Farnell / RS ($130 for an Analog ADXL202 anyone? It's
about $12 US, or $30 for a single capacitor!)

> {Original Message removed}

2004\02\04@175940 by Jake Anderson

flavicon
face
first one that springs to mind
ILS landing system Ausie invention

{Quote hidden}

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email .....listservspamRemoveMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@180732 by Liam O'Hagan

flavicon
face
Also the chemical process behind the modern photocopier, and in car race
cameras :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jake Anderson [SMTP:grooveeespam@spam@OPTUSHOME.COM.AU]
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:01 AM
> To:   EraseMEPICLISTRemoveMEspamSTOPspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: [OT:] Australia && embedded technology
>
> first one that springs to mind
> ILS landing system Ausie invention
>

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email RemoveMElistservKILLspamspamTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@192731 by Howard Winter

face
flavicon
picon face
Jake,

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:00:39 +1000, Jake Anderson wrote:

> first one that springs to mind
> ILS landing system Ausie invention

Is it?  I thought it was developed from the WWII "Beam
Approach" system used for getting bombers back on the
ground in poor vis.?

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email spamBeGonelistservspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@200750 by Tom

flavicon
face
At 12:25 AM 2/5/04 +0000, you wrote:
>Jake,
>
>On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:00:39 +1000, Jake Anderson wrote:
>
>> first one that springs to mind
>> ILS landing system Ausie invention
>

And while you're on the subject of Aussie inventors, don't forget what's
his name, er, uh, the guy that invented that thing about 12 years ago to
cleverly time coins going into the slot... I hear that so far it has paid
off big for him.

Tom

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email RemoveMElistservspam_OUTspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\02\04@201825 by James Caska

flavicon
face
>the Government virtually stole it from him, and then later gave it away
to America.  
To be honest I think this is a big problem here in Australia also. While
we seem to be dynamite innovators we seem to be very quick to try to
sell of our ideas to someone else to make money out of.

James Caska
http://www.muvium.com
uVM - ‘Java Bred for Embedded’



{Original Message removed}

2004\02\04@201830 by James Caska

flavicon
face
Funny!! Damn.. Can't take credit for that one!

James Caska
http://www.muvium.com
uVM - 'Java Bred for Embedded'



{Original Message removed}

2004\02\05@044002 by Alan B. Pearce

face picon face
>LTSA, in this area, is widely perceived as a revenue gatherer
>for the government. Toll roads are next, betcha

Oh, you mean like the new one just north of Birmingham that got flooded in
the recent rains, and after operating for something like two months now
needs resurfacing where the water got at the tarmac :))

So much for privately funded roads.

Still I did like travelling on the French toll roads. Go for miles with not
much traffic to hold you up.

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList
piclist-unsubscribe-requestspamspammitvma.mit.edu

2004\02\05@044624 by Jinx

face picon face
> Still I did like travelling on the French toll roads. Go for miles with
> not much traffic to hold you up.

Like the bus lane on the M4 ? ;-))

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList
spam_OUTpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu

2004\02\05@064512 by Jonathan Johnson

flavicon
face
Yeah I did that one on the M2 once, cost me 132 bucks.....mind you I was
only overtaking....and he didn't have his radar on at the time he saw me
(luckily ;-)

You also have to look out for the new bus lane cameras all over the place
now.



{Original Message removed}

2004\02\05@071453 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> Still I did like travelling on the French toll roads. Go for miles with
not
> much traffic to hold you up.

The French toll roads were by far the dearest we encountered in 20+
countries. The Italian ones were far cheaper and largely still no holdups. I
loved the way you come out of a long tunnel through a mountain, leap across
a valley on a level or smoothly rising/falling road and burrow into the next
mountain/tunnel. What I wondered was, what is the non-toll road like that
doesn't have the benefit of the many many tunnels?

The prize for toll roads has to go to Germany which doesn't have any :-).
The autobahns are often enough simple *looking* two lane motorways with the
fast lane almost empty. It's only after sitting at speeds well above our own
countries speed limit for a while that one begins to appreciate the vast
radii on the corners that allow you to travel at say 200 kph quite safely.
(All relative of course - when they do come unstuck they do it in style).
There may be a lot of traffic but no holdups - at 130 kph in the slow lane
and blur/whizz/gone 240 kph + in the fast lane, two lanes seems to suffice.
Near cities etc there were actual speed limits and quite a few holdups.


       Russell McMahon

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList
piclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTspammitvma.mit.edu

2004\02\05@072942 by Alan B. Pearce

face picon face
>There may be a lot of traffic but no holdups - at 130 kph in the
>slow lane and blur/whizz/gone 240 kph + in the fast lane, two
>lanes seems to suffice. Near cities etc there were actual speed
>limits and quite a few holdups.

Hmm did not encounter any hold-ups near cities. I drove across France and
Germany to Munich and back at the end November/beginning December. memories
of approaching Stuttgart, with my ancient diesel escort wound up to 105mph,
next to the fast lane, and two slower lanes of traffic, to have woosh ---
woosh as a Merc and a Jag XJ flew past with the pedal to the metal !

and then travelling at about 90mph in the fog, just keeping up with the fog
light only just visible ahead ...

Still Microsoft Autoroute and GPS receiver navigated us there and back
successfully. My first time with GPS navigation, and the wife providing the
voice prompts!

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList
RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspamspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu

2004\02\05@084851 by Peter Moreton

flavicon
face
>5. As a certain president of the USA got reminded, it was a New
Zealander
>who first "split the atom" (Lord Rutherford), and he did that back in
the
>early 1900's (well before WW1). Agreed that most of the work that
allowed
>him to discover the structure of the atom occurred in the UK
(Manchester
>University) and in Canada (IIRC in Toronto).

I believe that the atom was actually split before this. They put one in
a parcel marked 'fragile' and sent it via the Royal Mail. It arrived at
the other end totally smashed to pieces.

:-)

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList
piclist-unsubscribe-requestspamBeGonespam.....mitvma.mit.edu

2004\02\05@093111 by Alan B. Pearce

face picon face
>I believe that the atom was actually split before this. They put one in
>a parcel marked 'fragile' and sent it via the Royal Mail. It arrived at
>the other end totally smashed to pieces.

yeah, well the standard schoolboy joke used to be that Lord Rutherford did
it by sending it from North Cape to Bluff (the NZ equivalents of John O
Groats and Lands End) by NZ Rail :))

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList
KILLspampiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam.....mitvma.mit.edu

2004\02\08@112149 by Howard Winter

face
flavicon
picon face
Jinx,

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:45:55 +1300, Jinx wrote:

> > Still I did like travelling on the French toll
roads. Go for miles with not much traffic to hold you
up.
>
> Like the bus lane on the M4 ? ;-))

You mean the Bus / Prime Minister's Car lane?  :-#

Cheers,

Howard
St.Albans, England

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different
ways.  See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.


'[PIC]: 16F627A & ICD2 Question'
2005\01\05@192856 by Carey Fisher - NCS
face picon face
Let me restate the question:

Why can't the ICD2 program a 16F627A when both
the internal oscillator and internal MCLR are selected?

Thanks,
Carey

2005\01\05@204209 by Marcel Duchamp

picon face
Carey Fisher - NCS wrote:
> Let me restate the question:
>
> Why can't the ICD2 program a 16F627A when both
> the internal oscillator and internal MCLR are selected?
>
> Thanks,
> Carey
It depends on what you do with your code vis-a-vis the port lines used
for programming.

If your code asserts those pins (clk/data) into the "wrong" state, then
the programmer cannot program the device.  If MCLR is available
externally, then the programmer can control everything.  But with
internal control of MCLR, once power is applied the code starts
executing and if it changes the port pins, the programmer can do nothing.

All is not lost however.

If you have room and it doesn't adversely affect your project, you can
put a delay in the beginning of your code that puts the pins in the
preferred state then goes into a delay routine.  This is to give Vpp
time to get established without interference from your code.  Then you
should be able to program the device.  This is from a topic on the
Microchip forum on this very same business.

One other enterprising person put a transistor in his programmer to
apply Vdd only if Vpp is available.  You can see all this and more by
going to the m'chip forum and searching on  ICDWarn0033.


Good luck!
MD

2005\01\05@210533 by Carey Fisher - NCS

face picon face
  > Carey Fisher - NCS wrote:
  > > Let me restate the question:
  > >
  > > Why can't the ICD2 program a 16F627A when both
  > > the internal oscillator and internal MCLR are selected?
  > >
  > > Thanks,
  > > Carey
  > It depends on what you do with your code vis-a-vis the port lines used
  > for programming.

  >
  > If you have room and it doesn't adversely affect your project, you can
  > put a delay in the beginning of your code that puts the pins in the
  > preferred state then goes into a delay routine.  This is to give Vpp
  > time to get established without interference from your code.  Then you
  > should be able to program the device.  This is from a topic on the
  > Microchip forum on this very same business.
  >

Marcel,
Thanks for the info and the pointer to the MChip forum.
I guess what I'm still having trouble understanding
is how you add the delay code to the beginning of the code
if you can't program the device in the first place???
I'll go the the MChip forum right away.
Thanks!!!
Carey

2005\01\05@213940 by Marcel Duchamp

picon face
> Marcel,
> Thanks for the info and the pointer to the MChip forum.
> I guess what I'm still having trouble understanding
> is how you add the delay code to the beginning of the code
> if you can't program the device in the first place???
> I'll go the the MChip forum right away.
> Thanks!!!
> Carey
>

The first thing to know about this is that I am *no expert*.

That being said, I would guess that the first time you program a chip,
it is presumably blank - all ones or zeros - and any code that executes
will not disturb life as we know it.

Another caveat is how long your chip is powered up before trying to
program it.  If it is a lengthy time then the delay idea might not work
too well.  This suggests a related idea; if you can tolerate it in your
project, you could have your code watch some pin and stay in a tight
loop until that pin is in the right state.  This assumes that the
"right" state is not present in the programmer.

The whole thing does seem like a "missed opportunity" for Microchip, to
put it kindly.  As Olin Lathrop has pointed out, using the little 10Fxxx
chips  in SOT packages can be a difficult experience if also trying to
include ICSP.

By all means, do check out the Microchip forum.  There are occasionally
thoughtful inputs from Microchip employees there (a lot more than here
it seems) and you may learn something useful.

Again, good luck!
MD

2005\01\05@221248 by Carey Fisher - NCS

face picon face

  > The whole thing does seem like a "missed opportunity" for
  > Microchip, to
  > put it kindly.  As Olin Lathrop has pointed out, using the
  > little 10Fxxx
  > chips  in SOT packages can be a difficult experience if also trying to
  > include ICSP.
  >
  > By all means, do check out the Microchip forum.  There are
  > occasionally
  > thoughtful inputs from Microchip employees there (a lot more than here
  > it seems) and you may learn something useful.
  >
  > Again, good luck!
  > MD

What's really scary is that I've developed several products using the ICD2
and I wasn't aware of this problem.  Just lucked out I guess.  I don't like
"designing by luck"!!!
Thanks again!
Carey

2005\01\06@084139 by olin_piclist

face picon face
Marcel Duchamp wrote:
> It depends on what you do with your code vis-a-vis the port lines used
> for programming.

No, it doesn't.  When MCLR is raised to Vpp, the PIC is in program mode and
the code is irrelevant.  I don't understand why the ICD2 has a problem with
how MCLR is used, since it is capable of driving MCLR to Vpp.  In theory a
high voltage programmer (such as the ICD2) is capable of programming any PIC
in any state.  The only issue may be that the circuit the PIC is in, if any,
gets in the way.

{Quote hidden}

This is all complete nonsense.


*****************************************************************
Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts
(978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com

2005\01\06@094250 by olin_piclist

face picon face
Olin Lathrop wrote:
> I don't understand why the ICD2 has a
> problem with how MCLR is used, since it is capable of driving MCLR to
> Vpp.

I occurred to my why the ICD2 probably has this problem.  Unlike a real high
voltage programmer, the ICD2 normally operates with the target supplying its
own Vdd.  Some PICs required specific timing or sequencing between Vdd and
Vpp, which can't be done without controlling the Vdd line.

Maybe the ICD2 overcomes this if you set it up to supply target power, but
I've never tried this.  Otherwise you have to use a real in-circuit
programmer unless the target chip is removable.


*****************************************************************
Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts
(978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com


'[PIC:]Warp-13a & 12F509'
2005\03\26@122312 by Jeff Galinat
flavicon
face
Hi,
 I am having trouble programming the PIC12F509 using the latest version firmware on the Warp 13a.  According to the Newfound website, Newfound in no longer trading & no support is available.  I realize that Jim Robertson frequents the list sometime & possibly either he or another kind person may be able to help.  Here's the scoop:
I tried to program the 12F509 through both MPLAB 7.0 & MPLAB 7.10. Since the Warp-13a emulates the PicStart Plus I selected the PicStart Plus option under the programmer.  This goes fine but when I try to enable the programmer I get an error message that "This device requires firmware Version 4.30.0 or higher".  Since this is the latest Bluepole 1.6 firmware I thought the Firmware level reported to MLab would be high enough to allow programming the 12F509 but I may be mistaken.
 I then tried to program the device using the Warp13 software v 1.09.08.f and the device would not program.  The program area was still blank after the program cycle so every location failed verify so this method failed also.  The programmer works fine for 12C509A & 16F84a so it looks like the hardware still functions fine.  If anyone has some suggestions for me I would appreciate it.
Thanks for your time,
Jeff Galinat

2005\03\26@123050 by Bob Axtell

face picon face
Jeff Galinat wrote:

>Hi,
>  I am having trouble programming the PIC12F509 using the latest version firmware on the Warp 13a.  According to the Newfound website, Newfound in no longer trading & no support is available.  I realize that Jim Robertson frequents the list sometime & possibly either he or another kind person may be able to help.  Here's the scoop:
>I tried to program the 12F509 through both MPLAB 7.0 & MPLAB 7.10. Since the Warp-13a emulates the PicStart Plus I selected the PicStart Plus option under the programmer.  This goes fine but when I try to enable the programmer I get an error message that "This device requires firmware Version 4.30.0 or higher".  Since this is the latest Bluepole 1.6 firmware I thought the Firmware level reported to MLab would be high enough to allow programming the 12F509 but I may be mistaken.
>  I then tried to program the device using the Warp13 software v 1.09.08.f and the device would not program.  The program area was still blank after the program cycle so every location failed verify so this method failed also.  The programmer works fine for 12C509A & 16F84a so it looks like the hardware still functions fine.  If anyone has some suggestions for me I would appreciate it.
>Thanks for your time,
>Jeff Galinat
>  
>
Jim Robertson still supports the Warp13. Email him at
spam_OUTjimplspamKILLspamnewfoundelectronics.com .

--Bob

--
Note: To protect our network,
attachments must be sent to
RemoveMEattachRemoveMEspamEraseMEengineer.cotse.net .
1-866-263-5745 USA/Canada
http://beam.to/azengineer

2005\03\26@130450 by Jeff Galinat

flavicon
face

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Axtell" <KILLspamengineerspamspamBeGonecotse.net>
To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclistspamspammit.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [PIC:]Warp-13a & 12F509


{Quote hidden}

> --


'[EE] Eagle EDA & Ubuntu Linux'
2005\07\23@110512 by Martin Klingensmith
flavicon
face
Just a note for those who may be searching Google looking for an answer
sometime:
I installed Ubuntu GNU/Linux "Hoary Hedgehog 5.04" and I tried both
eagle-4.11 and 4.13 because that's what I used on Slackware but I had a
confusing C++ shared library issue.

Long story short: always try the latest version of the software if an
older version won't quite work. Eagle 4.15 seems to be working just fine
on the latest Ubuntu.

--
Martin Klingensmith
http://wwia.org/
http://nnytech.net/

2005\07\25@000532 by Chen Xiao Fan

face
flavicon
face
Glad to know another user of Ubuntu 5.04 so that I can ask problems
related to Ubuntu. :) I installed Eagle using the packages from
Debian Testing before Debian 3.1 was released. I am not so sure
about the version though since I have not used Eagle yet.

I used to be able to get Debian testing packages working on
Ubuntu. However the new Debian testing version packages require
newer libc6 package than Ubuntu. Therefore I have to wait for
Ubuntu packages or to build from the source.

If one is subscribing to the GNUPIC list, he or she will know that
I had quite some problems to get the latest gpsim working on Ubuntu.
Another guy is having problem to build ktechlab. It seems
Ubuntu may not be so good for electronics/PIC development as
Fedora for those who are not well versed in Linux even though
it is one of the best for new users of Linux for general use.

Regards,
Xiaofan

{Original Message removed}


'[OT] Darpa & Costa Rica'
2005\10\26@235808 by Bill & Pookie
picon face
It is .my impression that the vehicles were entirely on their own without
any human control.  Very impressive, especially the fact that they found and
"crossed" the finish line.

And if I have the opportunity to cash in my pic chips here in California, I
would seriously consider living in Costa Rica.  Is broadband internet
connection available there?  Would my dog Pookie be welcome?  And if so
(concerning the local wildlife) what would be her position on the food
chain?

Bill (with Pookie paying very close attention)


2005\10\27@050324 by Juan Cubillo

flavicon
face
There is broadband internet and if Pookie stays away from river crocodiles
she should be fine :)

Juan Cubillo

{Original Message removed}


'[OT] Australia & NZ only - Cheap oscilloscope .. .'
2006\05\18@044435 by Russell McMahon
face
flavicon
face
NZ & Australia only:
If you receive this and you're not on PICList it means that I think that you
*may* have a use for it.
May not be on special in Oz.

$NZ118 single channel single beam oscilloscope.
DSE Q1803

PQR *MUST* buy one of these :-)
Martin R probably should if he hasn't got a scope at all.
Owen should discuss the possibility.

Even a single beam 10 MHz scope is about 3 orders of magnitude better than
no scope at all.

If you are an electronics hobbyist on a limited budget and have no
oscilloscope this is liable to be the best test instrument buy you ever
made. An oscilloscope (even a  bottom end one) is the heavy artillery of
test equipment. There are more powerful specialist instruments but nothing
that is so useful across such a range of applications.

Dick Smith has an extremely well priced oscilloscope for sale.
It's moderately low spec and I don't know about the technical quality - but
with DSE you can try it for a week and return with no obligation if not
happy

       www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/446c0be5023baf4a2741c0a87f9906f3/Product/View/Q1803
       or        http://tinyurl.com/zwe7v

At $NZ118 incl GST (normally $188) it is extremely well priced.
Looks far nicer and "realer" than Jaycar's current offering at $186
http://tinyurl.com/fwye8

BUT both have essentially identical specifications, as far as can be
established from the available data.

If you already have a good oscilloscope but sometimes run out of beams AND
your scope has an external sync output, then you could 'gang' this scope to
your existing one and add a beam. (Performance on the extra beam would be no
better than the scope's specs allow).

As a cheap knockabout to take places where a $2k/4K/8K/16K ... marvel is
liable to be excessively endangered, this may fill a need. Add a cheap mains
inverter and an SLA battery or car-lighter plug (about as much again as the
scope) and you have a portable.
eg $68 DSE 12VDC - 230 VAC inverter:
        http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/446c240708d28ff02740c0a87f9906e4/Product/View/M5110

The Velleman LCD scopes are far more portable http://tinyurl.com/zvw6f but
at $360 and a lower spec there is no real comparison.




       Russell


________________________

DSE Q1803 spec:

Display Area: 8 x 10 DIV (1 DIV = 6mm)
 a.. Display Area: 8 x 10 DIV (1 DIV = 6mm)
 a.. CRT Accelerating Voltage: 1.2kV
 a.. Display colour: Aqua
 a.. Vertical Sensitivity: 5mV - 5V/DIV
 a.. Rise Time: Approximately 35ns
 a.. Bandwidth (-3dB): DC: 0 - 10MHz, AC: 10Hz - 10MHz
 a.. Sweep Speed: 0.1s/DIV - 0.1uS/DIV
 a.. Trigger Sensitivity: Internal 1 DIV, Ext 0.3V
 a.. Trigger Sources: Internal, Line, External
 a.. Trigger Max. Input Voltage: 400V peak
 a.. Trigger Mode: Normal, Auto, TV
 a.. X-Y Mode Sensitivity: 0.2V/DIV - 0.5V/DIV
   CRT Accelerating Voltage: 1.2kV
 a.. Size: 85 x 215 x 278mm (HxWxD)
 a.. Weight: approx 3kg
 a.. Power source: 220-240V AC, 50Hz

2006\05\18@045832 by Peter Todd

picon face
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:44:34PM +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:

That's odd... If it's a one channel scope why do the specs list this:

X-Y Mode sensitivity: 0.2V/DIV - 0.5V/DIV

Would it have a "pseudo channel" without the specs of a normal channel?

Wonder if it has the normal Z axis, brightness, too...

{Quote hidden}

> --

2006\05\18@050908 by Michael Rigby-Jones

picon face


>-----Original Message-----
>From: @spam@piclist-bouncesSTOPspamspam@spam@mit.edu [piclist-bouncesspamBeGonespamspamBeGonemit.edu]
>Sent: 18 May 2006 09:59
>To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
>Subject: Re: [OT] Australia & NZ only - Cheap oscilloscope .. .
>
>
>On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:44:34PM +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:
>
>That's odd... If it's a one channel scope why do the specs list this:
>
>X-Y Mode sensitivity: 0.2V/DIV - 0.5V/DIV
>

That is using the scop in X-Y mode, i.e. you control the horizontal position via an external voltage rather than using the built in timebase.  This is not an extra channel as there is still only one trace on the screen.  Generaly the horizontal input has minimal/no adjustment in terms of gain and offset on inexpensive scopes.

Regards

Mike

=======================================================================
This e-mail is intended for the person it is addressed to only. The
information contained in it may be confidential and/or protected by
law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you must
not make any use of this information, or copy or show it to any
person. Please contact us immediately to tell us that you have
received this e-mail, and return the original to us. Any use,
forwarding, printing or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.
No part of this message can be considered a request for goods or
services.
=======================================================================

2006\05\19@000333 by Jinx

face picon face
> $NZ118 single channel single beam oscilloscope.
> DSE Q1803

Hmm, although I already have a nice dual-beam and a spare, it's
tempting

If I bought one I'd save (after rebates) $80. If I don't buy one
I'd save $105 !!!

More interesting, and a little disturbing, browsing through DSE's
site, are the number of "Clearance product, stock is limited"
items. Some are going at very low prices, so I'll probably help
them off the shelves, but it's a worry that DSE seem to be forever
down-sizing the components section to make room for appliances

2006\05\19@003520 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> More interesting, and a little disturbing, browsing through DSE's
> site, are the number of "Clearance product, stock is limited"
> items.

My parts drawers wouldn't be the same without them.

   R

2006\05\19@024558 by Vasile Surducan

face picon face
On 5/19/06, Jinx <spamBeGonejoecolquittspamclear.net.nz> wrote:
> > $NZ118 single channel single beam oscilloscope.
> > DSE Q1803
>
> Hmm, although I already have a nice dual-beam and a spare, it's
> tempting
>
> If I bought one I'd save (after rebates) $80. If I don't buy one
> I'd save $105 !!!

Great logic Joe !
BTW 1$NZ = ?$USA

greetings,
Vasile

>
> More interesting, and a little disturbing, browsing through DSE's
> site, are the number of "Clearance product, stock is limited"
> items. Some are going at very low prices, so I'll probably help
> them off the shelves, but it's a worry that DSE seem to be forever
> down-sizing the components section to make room for appliances
>
> -

2006\05\19@032239 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
>> > $NZ118 single channel single beam oscilloscope.
>> > DSE Q1803

> BTW 1$NZ = ?$USA

About $NZ1 = $US0.60 - 0.70.
Varies
So that's ABOUT $US80.
Which is a bargain, if it works :-).


       Russell McMahon



2006\05\19@090606 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
>> > $NZ118 single channel single beam oscilloscope.
>> > DSE Q1803

>> Hmm, although I already have a nice dual-beam and a spare, it's
>> tempting

Add an inverter (or build one) and a battery and you have a creditable
servicing portable. An small enough to go on a bicycle carrier too
:-). Not as compact as a Velleman, but more capable.


       Russell

2006\05\19@101133 by Tony Smith

picon face
> More interesting, and a little disturbing, browsing through
> DSE's site, are the number of "Clearance product, stock is
> limited" items. Some are going at very low prices, so I'll
> probably help them off the shelves, but it's a worry that DSE
> seem to be forever down-sizing the components section to make
> room for appliances


DSE seem to have taken a leaf out of the Radio Shack (Tandy) book,
including the 'you've got questions, we've got blanks stares' motto.

Jaycar, on the other hand, states in their latest cataogue 'we'll try to
cut down on the crap so it doesn't overrun the component space like it
did last year'.

Interesting that the specs for job candidates at Jaycar changed
slightly.  They used to want the usual, plus a bit of paper stating 'I
are an engineer of some sort'.  No bit of paper needed now, knowing the
different between a LED & a diode is enough.  (Anyway, diodes light up
at least once).

Tony

2006\05\19@120033 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> DSE seem to have taken a leaf out of the Radio Shack (Tandy) book,
> including the 'you've got questions, we've got blanks stares' motto.

I think that DSE does reasonably well technically. While the average
saleperson isn't a techno guru, they usually have at least one person
who can answer the questions of the technically informed well enough.
If you were a complete novice you would be worse off. I'm happy that
DSe try reasonably hard, given that their target product and audience
is not super technical or component oriented. I do think it is sad
though to see the components being scaled down.

What you really want is a shop with the motto of (I'm told) a UK car
parts supplier.
"The answer's yes. Now, what's the question?"


       Russell.

2006\05\19@165725 by Philip Pemberton

face picon face
In message <000801c67af9$168c59e0$0100a8c0@ivp2000>
         Jinx <spam_OUTjoecolquittSTOPspamspamclear.net.nz> wrote:

> Some are going at very low prices, so I'll probably help
> them off the shelves, but it's a worry that DSE seem to be forever
> down-sizing the components section to make room for appliances

Maplin have been doing the same for years. Now they seem to be specialising
in cheap, tacky junk (like, for example, the talking Homer Simpson phones).

These days, I only ever go down to Maplin if something in my PC breaks and I
need a replacement ASAP. Even so, they rarely have them in stock. I've had
better luck with Farnell, and usually for the cost of the Maplin part, I can
buy the equivalent part made by a reputable manufacturer (e.g. Maplin stock
cheap and nasty fans, Farnell stock EBM and Papst fans for not very much more
than the Maplin cheapies)...

That said, the local computer shop have been very good - I once called in the
morning and asked for a price for a hard drive. They didn't have one in
stock, but "could get one by 4PM". Certainly beats paying another £10 on top
of the drive for P&P, and the price wasn't significantly worse than if I'd
ordered direct. Certainly beats waiting for a courier who may or may not
decide to turn up, or who might decide that shoving a "Sorry you were out"
card through the door is more productive than actually delivering the parcel.

--
Phil.                         | Kitsune: Acorn RiscPC SA202 64M+6G VF+UniPod
RemoveMEphilpemspamspamdsl.pipex.com         | Cheetah: Athlon64 3200+ A8VDeluxeV2 1G+180G
http://www.philpem.me.uk/     | Tiger: Toshiba SatPro4600 Celeron700 256M+40G

2006\05\19@185241 by Jinx

face picon face
> DSe try reasonably hard, given that their target product and
> audience is not super technical or component oriented

Their component prices are generally on a par with Jaycar, it's
just the range is getting narrower and narrower. And my local
branch has crap music played loudly

I don't recall ever seeing Jaycar advertise, but DSE do on the
TV and radio. Always for a phone or printer or whatnot, never
for this week's low low price on LM324s or heat shrink tubing

> I do think it is sad though to see the components being scaled
> down

I got barely 1/2 of what I wanted yesterday ;-((  Bins for parts
aren't empty.....they're gone. Adding insult to injury, the above-
mentioned loud music was right next to the components, making
the search for bins that aren't there even more difficult, and I
actually couldn't wait to get out. I'll be mentioning that to the
manager. Especially as I couldn't find the stereo to turn it down
like I have on other occassions

2006\05\19@213444 by Tony Smith

picon face

> > DSE seem to have taken a leaf out of the Radio Shack (Tandy) book,
> > including the 'you've got questions, we've got blanks stares' motto.
>
> I think that DSE does reasonably well technically. While the average
> saleperson isn't a techno guru, they usually have at least one person
> who can answer the questions of the technically informed well enough.
> If you were a complete novice you would be worse off. I'm happy that


Ah yes, the blank stare is followed by "sorry, the person that knows
something isn't in today".

Tony

2006\05\20@074651 by Zik Saleeba

face picon face
I was at Jaycar yesterday. The guy I spoke to not only didn't know
where the surface mount components were, I had to explain to him what
surface mount _was_. Even then he didn't believe me until I found it
for him in the catalog.

Still I've had some good experiences at Jaycar too (different store).
I was buying some a couple of PICs and some beefy MOSFETs, some of
which were N-channel and some were P-channel. The guy says "Building
an H-bridge huh? Should I add some optocouplers for isolation?". He
was dead on. Also "Will the 8MHz internal clock on the 16f88 be enough
for you or do you want a crystal to get the full 20MHz?" Now that's
pretty amazing from an electronics shop these days!

Cheers,
Zik

On 20/05/06, Tony Smith <TakeThisOuTajsmithspamspamRemoveMErivernet.com.au> wrote:
{Quote hidden}

> -

2006\05\20@082942 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
>I was at Jaycar yesterday.

What city/store was that ?

&
>... The guy says "Building
> an H-bridge huh?


       RM

2006\05\20@084021 by Zik Saleeba

face picon face
It was the A'Beckett St store in the Melbourne CBD (Australia). Mind
you it was just the one guy... I think he was an elec. eng. student
from RMIT. If only they were all as good!

Cheers,
Zik

On 20/05/06, Russell McMahon <KILLspamapptechspamspamspam_OUTparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> >I was at Jaycar yesterday.
>
> What city/store was that ?
>
> &
> >... The guy says "Building
> > an H-bridge huh?
>
>
>         RM
> -

2006\05\20@091926 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
>> >... The guy says "Building
>> > an H-bridge huh?

> It was the A'Beckett St store in the Melbourne CBD (Australia). Mind
> you it was just the one guy... I think he was an elec. eng. student
> from RMIT. If only they were all as good!

Why not send an email to Jaycar management commenting on the service?
If a few people did that it *may* change the way they select staff. A
few emails from others complaining about lack of technical knowledge
on other occasions may also help :-)


   RM

2006\05\20@095434 by Tony Smith

picon face
> >> >... The guy says "Building
> >> > an H-bridge huh?
>
> > It was the A'Beckett St store in the Melbourne CBD
> (Australia). Mind
> > you it was just the one guy... I think he was an elec. eng. student
> > from RMIT. If only they were all as good!
>
> Why not send an email to Jaycar management commenting on the service?
> If a few people did that it *may* change the way they select staff. A
> few emails from others complaining about lack of technical knowledge
> on other occasions may also help :-)


Their job ads used to say some sort of electronics qualifactions (eg
engineer) was needed.  Recent ads have dropped that, it now says
'interest / knowledge of electronics'.  Can't fault them for trying.

Still better than DSE, and probably anything is better than Tandy.  If
Dick Smith was dead he'd be rolling in his grave by now.

Tony

2006\05\20@102810 by Vasile Surducan

face picon face
On 5/20/06, Russell McMahon <apptechRemoveMEspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> >... The guy says "Building
> >> > an H-bridge huh?
>
> > It was the A'Beckett St store in the Melbourne CBD (Australia). Mind
> > you it was just the one guy... I think he was an elec. eng. student
> > from RMIT. If only they were all as good!
>
> Why not send an email to Jaycar management commenting on the service?

Everyone needs to live Russell. If you'll try to buy something
sophisticated (or just a simple XD memory card) from RadioShack
anywhere in the NY neighbourhood, you'll have to deeply complain  to
someone, I don't know who is the person, maybe God...

Vasile


> If a few people did that it *may* change the way they select staff. A
> few emails from others complaining about lack of technical knowledge
> on other occasions may also help :-)
>
>
>    RM
>
> -

2006\05\20@131529 by Dave Lag

picon face
Vasile Surducan wrote:
> Everyone needs to live Russell. If you'll try to buy something
> sophisticated (or just a simple XD memory card) from RadioShack
> anywhere in the NY neighbourhood, you'll have to deeply complain  to
> someone, I don't know who is the person, maybe God...
>
> Vasile


NOW you understand our feelings about "The Shack"

Quoting a minister (true) when describing a parishoner waking him up at
2am for advise on a trivial matter:

"I had a word for them, and it wasn't from the Lord"
:)
D

2006\05\20@135456 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
>> >> >... The guy says "Building
>> >> > an H-bridge huh?

>> Why not send an email to Jaycar management commenting on the
>> service?

> Everyone needs to live Russell.

I meant that the comment would be about the GOOD service so that
management would be encouraged to hire better qualified staff.



       Russell

2006\05\20@180625 by William Chops Westfield

face picon face
On May 20, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Russell McMahon wrote:
>
> I meant that the comment would be about the GOOD service so that
> management would be encouraged to hire better qualified staff.
>
There's a prevailing opinion WRT "Radio Shack" that this might
not be helpful to the person's career.  Management is suspected
of wishing the salesforce to spend their time selling overpriced
consumer gear to clueless customers, and NOT spend their time
helping hobbyists find $3 components...

BillW

2006\05\20@220703 by Tony Smith

picon face

> >> >> >... The guy says "Building
> >> >> > an H-bridge huh?
>
> >> Why not send an email to Jaycar management commenting on the
> >> service?
>
> > Everyone needs to live Russell.
>
> I meant that the comment would be about the GOOD service so that
> management would be encouraged to hire better qualified staff.


Ha, interesting that we all assumed that you only comment on BAD
service.  Imagine the choas & confusion if everyone contacts companies
and talks about their GOOD service.

Nah, that can't happen  :)

Tony

2006\05\20@222248 by Tony Smith

picon face


> > I meant that the comment would be about the GOOD service so that
> > management would be encouraged to hire better qualified staff.
> >
> There's a prevailing opinion WRT "Radio Shack" that this
> might not be helpful to the person's career.  Management is
> suspected of wishing the salesforce to spend their time
> selling overpriced consumer gear to clueless customers, and
> NOT spend their time helping hobbyists find $3 components...


So to get rid of the clueless ones you ring up management and let them
know how helpful they were?  

That explains a lot about Radio Shack.  It's Darwins theory in reverse,
er sort of.  Um, no.  The survival niche for the clueless is working for
RS, and only the fittest (for RS) survive.  Brilliant!

Tony

2006\05\20@232057 by Jinx

face picon face

> Ha, interesting that we all assumed that you only comment on
> BAD service.  Imagine the choas & confusion if everyone contacts
> companies and talks about their GOOD service.
>
> Nah, that can't happen  :)

I often do compliment staff to their managers, but it has to be for
something a bit special. No point in bugging them with "Everything
is just ordinary thanks". My local big hardware outlet (New Lynn
Placemakers) is a very pleasant place to shop and the staff, even
though they change over the years, are always smiling and helpful
and I make a point of mentioning it to the manager. Occassionally
I'll wind them up

"Can I help you ?"
"Um, have you got anything I'd like ?"

"Are you alright there sir ?"
"Yup, just shoplifting" (walk slowly and quietly away)

"What goes with butter-fried fish ? Meths or turps ?"

The closest I saw anyone come to a melt-down was at the check-out.
Normally if you pay with EFTPOS they'll ask "Do you want any cash
with that ?". This time I paid with cash, expecting change, and asked
"Could have some cash with that ?". The poor girl's eyes darted about
then glazed before the last horse crossed the line

2006\05\21@012021 by Martin K

flavicon
face
I just graduated with my BSEE degree. A few summers ago I applied for a
job at Radio Shack.
The manager didn't care about my technical knowledge. He didn't hire me
because I didn't have enough sales experience.
--
Martin K

Russell McMahon wrote:

{Quote hidden}

'[OT] IMAGINE ..... was Australia & NZ only - Cheap'
2006\05\21@023847 by Gus S Calabrese

face picon face
Imagine that if for a month everyone on this list forbore from
criticizing anything and took every opportunity to compliment things
they liked.  Kind of like suspending the practice of herding cats and
setting out goodies for them instead.

Just close your eyes for 30 seconds ( not while you are driving )
 and visual what a month of that would be like.

Professor Stephen Hawking mentioned  in one of his books that the  
family would get
together at dinner and everyone would be asked what great thing they had
done that day.

POD
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Ha, interesting that we all assumed that you only comment on BAD
service.  Imagine the choas & confusion if everyone contacts companies
and talks about their GOOD service.

Nah, that can't happen  :)

Tony

'[OT] Australia & NZ only - Cheap oscilloscope .. .'
2006\05\21@044632 by Howard Winter

face
flavicon
picon face
Tony,

On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:59:59 +1000, Tony Smith wrote:

{Quote hidden}

Interesting that you assumed that we all assumed the same thing - wrong!  :-)

Cheers,



Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\05\21@045006 by Howard Winter

face
flavicon
picon face
On Sun, 21 May 2006 15:20:20 +1200, Jinx wrote:

> The closest I saw anyone come to a melt-down was at the check-out.
> Normally if you pay with EFTPOS they'll ask "Do you want any cash
> with that ?". This time I paid with cash, expecting change, and asked
> "Could have some cash with that ?". The poor girl's eyes darted about
> then glazed before the last horse crossed the line

Jinx, has anyone ever told you you're wicked?  :-)

When offered a bag to put my purchases in, I like to say "No thanks, I've got enough to carry as it is"

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\05\21@054916 by Jinx

face picon face
> Jinx, has anyone ever told you you're wicked?  :-)

Today ?

> When offered a bag to put my purchases in, I like to say
> "No thanks, I've got enough to carry as it is"

Haha, I'll have to remember that one

The record lottery here (just won on a single ticket) had
the reporters out on the street asking people what they'd
do with $20m. If I was asked I'd say "Have you whacked,
I've never liked you" and wander off. Don't think that one
would make it to air ;-) And have the reporter hoping that
if they didn't win it, neither did I !!!

Ah, fun and games

'[OT] IMAGINE ..... was Australia & NZ only - Cheap'
2006\05\21@144709 by Peter

picon face

On Sun, 21 May 2006, Gus S Calabrese wrote:

> Ha, interesting that we all assumed that you only comment on BAD
> service.  Imagine the choas & confusion if everyone contacts companies
> and talks about their GOOD service.
>
> Nah, that can't happen  :)

Afaik it did happen. One of the antispammers organised a 'response' that
overwhelmed the spam mail servers with tens of thousands of responses.
The servers folded. In round two a botnet put the antispammer out of
business using an even larger 'response'.

Peter

2006\05\22@060038 by Tony Smith

picon face
> On Sun, 21 May 2006, Gus S Calabrese wrote:
>
> > Ha, interesting that we all assumed that you only comment on BAD
> > service.  Imagine the choas & confusion if everyone
> contacts companies
> > and talks about their GOOD service.
> >
> > Nah, that can't happen  :)
>
> Afaik it did happen. One of the antispammers organised a
> 'response' that
> overwhelmed the spam mail servers with tens of thousands of
> responses.
> The servers folded. In round two a botnet put the antispammer out of
> business using an even larger 'response'.
>
> Peter


Those spammers clog your mailbox up again?  :)

Duuno how you got onto spam, this was more brick & mortar stuff, like
Radio Shack.  Has anyone ever told a RS manager about the good job their
employee did?

I guess you could call RS a bricks & mortar spammer.  I've moved house,
so I don't get their flyers anymore.  I don't get hardware shop (y'know,
nails & stuff) catalogs either, bummer.  OTOH, I do get more womens
underwear catalogs.  Not sure if that makes up for it.  Maybe if they
were holding cheap drills or MDF sheets...

Tony

'[OT] Australia & NZ only - Cheap oscilloscope .. .'
2006\05\22@090425 by Robert Ammerman

picon face
> What you really want is a shop with the motto of (I'm told) a UK car
> parts supplier.
> "The answer's yes. Now, what's the question?"
>
>
>        Russell.

or the motto of a hardware store at the end of  the street I grew up on:

we have it -- if we can find it!


Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

(ps: and they really did have almost anything you would expect to find in
such a store, and a whole lot more)

2006\05\22@092603 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> or the motto of a hardware store at the end of  the street I grew up
> on:
>
> we have it -- if we can find it!


That's my basement.

65% where and what known
20% what but not where known
10% where but what known
5% where and what unknown

or something like that.
breakdown may vary.


       RM

'[OT] IMAGINE ..... was Australia & NZ only - Cheap'
2006\05\22@123903 by Peter

picon face

On Mon, 22 May 2006, Tony Smith wrote:

> Those spammers clog your mailbox up again?  :)

No, I am served. I use something called bogofilter and I hardly see any
spam indespite of having the same email address (and published on the
web) for 10 years now.

> Duuno how you got onto spam, this was more brick & mortar stuff, like
> Radio Shack.  Has anyone ever told a RS manager about the good job their
> employee did?
>
> I guess you could call RS a bricks & mortar spammer.  I've moved house,
> so I don't get their flyers anymore.  I don't get hardware shop (y'know,
> nails & stuff) catalogs either, bummer.  OTOH, I do get more womens
> underwear catalogs.  Not sure if that makes up for it.  Maybe if they
> were holding cheap drills or MDF sheets...

*instead* of what they are wearing ?

Peter

'[OT] Australia & NZ only - Cheap oscilloscope .. .'
2006\05\22@172517 by Jinx

face picon face
> or the motto of a hardware store at the end of  the street I grew up on:
>
> we have it -- if we can find it!

The other big hardware place around here has the motto

If we haven't got it, you don't need it !

Kinda puts me off going in there. Could lead to all kinds of self-doubt

2006\05\23@023033 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> The other big hardware place around here has the motto
> If we haven't got it, you don't need it !

If that's Mitre 10's motto then it's about correct.
If not, then it should be.

The Mitre 10 'megastore' near me is AFAIK the largest hardware store
in Australasia, and it is truly wondrous. It's not oriented towards
the professional technical but if there's any chance that something
might be used around the home then odds are that M10 has it. They
still in many cases sell at the individual nut and washer level if you
wish to buy in 1's.

They also have a "beat any price by ?10% on an exact product" policy.
Which makes them the cheapest place in town to buy some products such
as eg triboard as some competitors are cheaper than them. Obviously
not many people take them up on this as I do, or they would drop their
prices on corresponding lines.


       Russell McMahon


2006\05\23@072528 by Tony Smith

picon face
> > The other big hardware place around here has the motto
> > If we haven't got it, you don't need it !
>
> If that's Mitre 10's motto then it's about correct.
> If not, then it should be.
>
> The Mitre 10 'megastore' near me is AFAIK the largest hardware store
> in Australasia, and it is truly wondrous. It's not oriented towards
> the professional technical but if there's any chance that something
> might be used around the home then odds are that M10 has it. They
> still in many cases sell at the individual nut and washer
> level if you
> wish to buy in 1's.


Metric?  

Typical response: Huh??? followed by ummmmm followed by maybe there's
some under the counter...

To be fair, most Australia hardware store are like this.  It's only been
40 years.  There are the occasional few owners who'll yell at you if you
use imperial terms.

Tony

2006\05\23@093954 by Dave Lag

picon face
Russell McMahon wrote:
{Quote hidden}

Do you guys have the "big box store" phenomena, where the little and or
independents are wiped out? Lumber(timber) choices are limited to what
the box wants to carry, otherwise a long drive...

The ideal is big enough for selection but small enough to load yourself
thus selecting the nice/straight/tight knot/....

If I have to wait for the rare bigbox lift operator to get down a high
skid I might as well drive somewhere else..



2006\05\23@105053 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
>> The Mitre 10 'megastore' near me is AFAIK the largest hardware
>> store
>> in Australasia, and it is truly wondrous. It's not oriented towards
>> the professional technical but if there's any chance that something
>> might be used around the home then odds are that M10 has it. They
>> still in many cases sell at the individual nut and washer
>> level if you
>> wish to buy in 1's.

> Metric?

Yes. And imperial.
(But it's not conamed I10).


       R

2006\05\23@105100 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> Do you guys have the "big box store" phenomena, where the little and
> or
> independents are wiped out? Lumber(timber) choices are limited to
> what
> the box wants to carry, otherwise a long drive...
>
> The ideal is big enough for selection but small enough to load
> yourself
> thus selecting the nice/straight/tight knot/....
>
> If I have to wait for the rare bigbox lift operator to get down a
> high
> skid I might as well drive somewhere else..

At my local and the biggest M10 I can serve myself in the timber yard
or get help.
Climbing the racks is possible :-)


       RM

2006\05\25@023818 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> Metric?

> Typical response: Huh??? followed by ummmmm followed by maybe
> there's
> some under the counter...
>
> To be fair, most Australia hardware store are like this.  It's only
> been
> 40 years.  There are the occasional few owners who'll yell at you if
> you
> use imperial terms.

Not in my local Mitre 10. Maybe the Oz ones are different :-).
Metric is probably predominant for larger thread sizes, but they have
UNF and UNC as well. I haven't noted any BA there of late :-)


       RM

2006\05\25@032559 by Howard Winter

face
flavicon
picon face
Russell,

On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:17:30 +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:

> > The other big hardware place around here has the motto
> > If we haven't got it, you don't need it !
>
> If that's Mitre 10's motto then it's about correct.
> If not, then it should be.

I wish ours were like this - the big ones seem to be doing the 80/20 pruning operation regularly.  There are
whole product ranges that they sold a year ago that have disappeared now (I wanted a "quick-click" drill bit
and found that they have axed almost the whole range, with just things like plug-cutters and cone-drills
left).

> The Mitre 10 'megastore' near me is AFAIK the largest hardware store
> in Australasia, and it is truly wondrous. It's not oriented towards
> the professional technical but if there's any chance that something
> might be used around the home then odds are that M10 has it. They
> still in many cases sell at the individual nut and washer level if you
> wish to buy in 1's.

<Jealous!>  Ours only sell things in little plastic packets, for ridiculous prices (£1.10, say NZ$3, for 5 M6
30mm screws?!!)

> They also have a "beat any price by ?10% on an exact product" policy.
> Which makes them the cheapest place in town to buy some products such
> as eg triboard as some competitors are cheaper than them. Obviously
> not many people take them up on this as I do, or they would drop their
> prices on corresponding lines.

None of the hardware/tool places do this, but John Lewis, a chain of department stores, have a "never
knowingly undersold" policy.  I used it to buy a Tandberg Cassette deck a few decades ago.  On one occasion
while I was browsing I overheard a discussion between a manufacturer's rep. and the HiFi department manager -
the rep. mentioned that one of their products was marked at an unusually low price - "Yes, that's a local
undersale" was the reply.  They actually do lower their prices when they are told of someone underselling
them!  I usually check if they are selling something I'm considering buying, because I like to reward them for
their policy.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\05\25@063750 by Tony Smith

picon face
> > Metric?
>
> > Typical response: Huh??? followed by ummmmm followed by maybe
> > there's
> > some under the counter...
> >
> > To be fair, most Australia hardware store are like this.  It's only
> > been
> > 40 years.  There are the occasional few owners who'll yell
> at you if
> > you
> > use imperial terms.
>
> Not in my local Mitre 10. Maybe the Oz ones are different
> :-). Metric is probably predominant for larger thread sizes,
> but they have
> UNF and UNC as well. I haven't noted any BA there of late :-)


Oz hardware stores really only sell non-metric stuff.  They tend to hide
the metric stuff.

Another reason to move to NZ.  If it were warmer I'd have already left.

Tony


'[OT] Australia & NZ only - Cheap oscilloscope .. .'
2006\06\02@034552 by Jinx
face picon face
> > DSE seem to be forever down-sizing the components section to
> > make room for appliances
>
> DSE seem to have taken a leaf out of the Radio Shack (Tandy) book,
> including the 'you've got questions, we've got blanks stares' motto.
>
> Jaycar, on the other hand, states in their latest cataogue 'we'll try to
> cut down on the crap so it doesn't overrun the component space like it
> did last year'.

After perusing the June DSE Trade Talk, I made a list of nine (9) items
that interested me. My local DSE store today had none (0) of them, and
never had. "Why do they put them in the TT if no one's got stock ?" I
asked. "Yeah, dunno" was the shrugged reply. I was prepared to spend
$200+ but came away with two desperation purchases I didn't even have
on the list - enamel wire and an RCA socket. $4 worth

To rub salt into the wound, DSE have discontinued 16x2 LCDs, which
I buy occassionally. They have, however, retained the backlit version.
Which I never buy. And that damn music was louder than ever

DSE will be getting an e-mail

Jaycar will be getting my business

2006\06\02@042241 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
Surplustronics have LCD displays.
DSE sometimes don't have stock when a mailer first arrives.


> To rub salt into the wound, DSE have discontinued 16x2 LCDs, which
> I buy occassionally. They have, however, retained the backlit
> version.
> Which I never buy. And that damn music was louder than ever

2006\06\02@043811 by Jinx

face picon face
> Surplustronics have LCD displays

Seeing as I use them fairly frequently it's probably about time I
bought a few from someone else at a more reasonable price, instead
of waiting for them to be reduced at DSE. Soanarplus, Surplustronics,
as you mention, Electus, whoever

> DSE sometimes don't have stock when a mailer first arrives.

IMO they should. I got the mailer last week, surely the stores can
have the stock ready. None out of nine is pretty slack

I'm just fed up coming out of DSE almost empty-handed and grumpy.
Comparing DSE stock to Jaycar, I truly wonder why they still bother

2006\06\02@055030 by Vasile Surducan

face picon face
On 5/20/06, Martin K <EraseMEmartin-distlistsSTOPspamspamRemoveMEnnytech.net> wrote:
> I just graduated with my BSEE degree. A few summers ago I applied for a
> job at Radio Shack.
> The manager didn't care about my technical knowledge. He didn't hire me
> because I didn't have enough sales experience.

When you ask the Radio Shack seller:
"I need an XD card, 512MB, type H (fast) not M (standard) for Olympus
digital camera" , then you show him a piece of paper where you've
written the whole sentence, just in case he didn't understood your
english, and he is asking:
"What kind of memory card do you need ?"
it means he has sales experience indeed...

on the other place the seller said: see there (pointed to a locked
window), if there isn't it means we haven't...

Be happy you haven't such colleague.

Vasile

{Quote hidden}

> -

2006\06\02@131523 by Matt Pobursky

flavicon
face
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:38:09 +1200, Jinx wrote:
> I'm just fed up coming out of DSE almost empty-handed and grumpy.
> Comparing DSE stock to Jaycar, I truly wonder why they still bother

Evidently the blaring obnoxious music attracts those willing to buy the
cheap chinese-made junk electronics you mentioned previously which now
dominates the shelves. Sort of like a barker at a cheesy carnival
attraction... ;-)

Matt Pobursky
Maximum Performance Systems

2006\06\02@132406 by Chris Gavin-Egan

flavicon
face
Funny but Maplin Electronics here in the UK is almost identical to DSE (
I went into a couple of DSE whilst in NZ)

They all seem to be going down the cheap chinese - junk electronic toys
route - I guess that's where the money is.

As far as I recall there is a good Jaycar in Glenfield Auckland

Best Regards

Chris
http://www.Console-Repairs.co.uk
http://www.C5Alive.co.uk
http://www.Junkmonkey.co.uk
http://www.Gavin-Egan.com



-------------------------------------------------------------
All payments can be made via our nochex or natwest secure payment
systems .


I accept payment using NOCHEX

-----------------------------------------------



{Original Message removed}

2006\06\02@165050 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> Funny but Maplin Electronics here in the UK is almost identical to
> DSE (
> I went into a couple of DSE whilst in NZ)

> As far as I recall there is a good Jaycar in Glenfield Auckland

There are two in Auckland - that's one o them.
The other is their first AK (and NZ) store in Khyber Pass (not in
Pakistan)

Their wholesale wing is "Electus Distributors". For anyone serious
about electronics its worth getting an Electus trade account. They
offer extremely good discounts off retail. Often 20-50% and sometimes
80% or so.

The Jaycar cash card is worth having but is far less good. It offers
"one price break" off purchases over $20.

       RM

.

2006\06\02@184028 by Roy

flavicon
face
part 1 875 bytes content-type:text/plain; (decoded 7bit)

Now you have my attention Russell :-)

Is there a web site or contact details for the "Electus Distributors"?

_______________________________________

Feel the power of the dark side!  
Atmel AVR

Roy Hopkins
Tauranga
New Zealand
_______________________________________

{Quote hidden}

--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 2/06/2006




part 2 35 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
(decoded 7bit)

2006\06\02@185949 by Jinx

face picon face

> As far as I recall there is a good Jaycar in Glenfield Auckland

At the present time, wrt parts, ANY Jaycar is streaks ahead of
ANY DSE. It's a little bewildering actually. DSE have by far the
larger number of outlets, yet they're not capitalising on that. Not
on the component front anyway

Maybe the money really is in cheap imports, but everyone else
has twigged to that too. And other stores don't sell components

Well, <catty> neither do DSE ;-) </catty>

I've sent a "Why ?" email to DSE. Wondering whether I'll get any
snippets of long-term company policy

2006\06\02@194427 by Jinx

face picon face

> There are two in Auckland

There's a Manukau branch too

Altogether in NZ there are 6 stores and 5 dealers

http://www.jaycar.co.nz/stores.asp

Russell, are there any conditions to getting a trade account ?
Minimums, turnover etc ? I've taken out trade accounts with
other companies before but not dealt with them often enough
for their liking and been terminated

2006\06\03@025550 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> Russell, are there any conditions to getting a trade account ?
> Minimums, turnover etc ? I've taken out trade accounts with
> other companies before but not dealt with them often enough
> for their liking and been terminated

I'm not sure what their official level of expenditure is but they seem
fairly tolerant in NZ anyway. I don't spend a vast amount there by
usual standards.

Contact details below.

They have a pricelist file available to trade customers.

       Russell
.



____________________________________________________________________________
- ELECTUS NZ
-       Ray Marsh in Christchurch
-       0800 235 328
-       Orders to spam_OUTrmarshRemoveMEspamEraseMEelectusdistribution.co.nz
- Courier: Electus NZ (Ray Marsh), 409 Colombo St, Christchurch.

_____________


2006\06\14@002137 by Jinx

face picon face
> > The other big hardware place around here has the motto
> > If we haven't got it, you don't need it !
>
> If that's Mitre 10's motto then it's about correct.
> If not, then it should be.

I was in the New Lynn branch on Monday, looking for T-nails
for the staple gun. Bought them from there before, but this time
they had none. The staff, several of them in fact, went well out
of their way to look around and discuss. Eventually we decided
I should call the owner/manager in the morning to order some.

I'd also picked up a file but in the kerfuffle about the T-nails
left it on the counter, so I'd had to have rung back anyway to
get them to put it aside for me to pick up later

When I rang the manager in the morning, we sorted out the
left-behind file and got some T-nails ordered

Then I said, BTW did you know the time on my receipt is
an hour ahead of when I was there ? No no, he says, the
VDUs at the checkouts are all showing the correct time. No
no, I says, the printed receipt. So he prints out a receipt and
said, in what sounded to me like a worried or concerned
voice, Well, I don't believe that. I'll have to investigate why

Now he has me intrigued

When he rang back to confirm the T-nail order, he said
I'd pointed out something "very serious" wrt the receipt
but he "wouldn't elaborate". He said they use receipts
sometimes to verify misdeeds by shoplifters or phoney
returns, but this was "something bigger than that"

I thought maybe an accounting fraud (anything in the last
hour isn't going through the books), but beyond that no
clue what he could have discovered. Perhaps he's figured
out why the shop isn't appearing to do as well as he thinks
it should

I'll ask him some day, dying to know

2006\06\14@125012 by Peter

picon face

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Jinx wrote:

> I'll ask him some day, dying to know

FYI distributed CMS systems as used in larger shops can be misconfigured
in ways far worse than what you saw. It's enough if one of the backends
runs on a server in a different timezone and the admins forgot to dial
in the DST settings for the target area.

Peter

2006\06\14@192706 by Dave Lag

picon face
Jinx wrote:

> When I rang the manager in the morning, we sorted out the
> left-behind file and got some T-nails ordered
>
> Then I said, BTW did you know the time on my receipt is
> an hour ahead of when I was there ?......
>
> When he rang back to confirm the T-nail order, he said
> I'd pointed out something "very serious" wrt the receipt
> but he "wouldn't elaborate".
....
> I'll ask him some day, dying to know

If it was a 24 hour operation I would say the they were shifing sales
records thus revenue per employee stats.


2006\06\14@211327 by Jinx

face picon face

> If it was a 24 hour operation I would say the they were shifing
> sales records thus revenue per employee stats.

Unlikely - it's an owner/operator + dozen** staff, 8am - 5:30pm

** one of whom is Alvis, the owner's wife. On Monday she said
she couldn't ask him about my hard-to-find T-nails because he,
semi-retired, had gone home already. I, of course, had to say "But
Alvis has not left the building". Which she didn't get ;-((

2006\06\15@045922 by Alan B. Pearce

face picon face
>Then I said, BTW did you know the time on my receipt is
>an hour ahead of when I was there ? No no, he says, the
>VDUs at the checkouts are all showing the correct time. No
>no, I says, the printed receipt. So he prints out a receipt and
>said, in what sounded to me like a worried or concerned
>voice, Well, I don't believe that. I'll have to investigate why

Reminds me of a story of when electronic cash registers were starting to get
decent logging capabilities on a standalone basis.

A national company in NZ had a store in Taupo, in the centre of the North
Island that wasn't doing as well as expected, in relation to other stores.
So when a batch of these new cash registers arrived, that store got one of
the first ones. Turns out that the manager banked the stores takings as at
3pm each day (the accepted practice back then when banks closed at 3pm) and
was then totalling the till up in the evening and putting that in his own
pocket.

The previous system had him returning the printed total-up receipts to head
office, and he just pocketed the 5pm ones. Now the system had logging, he
was caught out because the log didn't get cleared when he totalled up for
the night.

Be interested to hear why he is so worried about the printed receipt. maybe
it is to do with staff logging on to work, and paying overtime.


'[SX] sx48 and a "vpp generation failed" '
2006\12\18@091518 by Johnson Rodn/a
flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Johnson Rod wrote:

i checked out a previous thread http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&m=139996&g=140150#m140150 my +5vdc seems fine, my header is identical to serveral other successful projects, and my xtal is very close to the mcu.

pin2 is connected to osc1 and pin3 to osc2 on the sx-key.

when i looked up http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/prod/datast/SX48BD-Data-v1.5.pdf for the pin assignments i noticed that i may have soldered the sx48 upside down.

con some confirm?

ps the flash made my solder job look much worse than it is and i've already tested the device for solder bridges.

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=161211
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2006 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2006\12\19@172638 by Sparks-R-Funn/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Sparks-R-Fun wrote:

Nick,
  I'll confirm it for you.  You need to position your chip 90 degree clockwise from how you have it shown.  I confirmed this by examining an SX48 protoboard in addition to the document you referenced.  When positioned with the text upright (as you have it shown) the oscillator pins will be found at the bottom edge of the chip.  But the text is not what you should use as a reference.  Use the dot for proper alignment rather than the text.  The dot is your friend!  It should be positioned in the upper left hand corner for the board orientation you have shown.

  Also, it is good practice to connect ALL of the power pins.  Multiple pins are provided for good electrical performance which includes allowing for the rated amount of current to flow through those tiny pins.  It is possible that your circuit will work just fine without all of them being connected.   Just keep in mind that whenever possible it is a good idea to connect them.

- Sparks
---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=161211#m161425
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2006 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2006\12\22@093241 by Johnson Rodn/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Johnson Rod wrote:

thx sparks, i incorrectly assumed the logo and text was gospel. oops
---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=161211#m161842
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2006 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)


'[SX] Turn the Parallax RoboGames metal into a &quo'
2007\08\28@105816 by beann/a
flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

Uses the Parallax Robogames / Robolympics metal Item#28099
At power on (and every 5 minutes) displays the prompt ("Ask me a question...")
When the reset button is pressed, one of the answer phrases is displayed at random
Uses about 4mA when not in use, so batteries should last quite a while

Enjoy,
Bean
---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\08\29@080702 by tdg8934n/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, tdg8934 wrote:

Very neat idea!

I was thinking about doing something like this sometime back but instead of a magic 8 ball it would be that game "20 questions". Have you seen the red ball shaped game in the stores with scrolling LCD display?

However, this game is very smart and I'm not sure if the SX28 has the memory to hold it (possibly with EEPROM support).

You think of an item and it guesses the item within 20 questions back to you. This is how it works. It would need at least 3 pushbuttons to answer YES, NO, Maybe.

But this is beyond my programming level. Does anyone know if this has ever been done - i.e. source code available?

Anyway...I can't wait to program my RoboGames medal tonight with this Magic 8 ball code of yours!

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m211344
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\08\29@081130 by beann/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

I only have the older metal (the one that runs from 3 AAA batteries), so I hope the code works on the new version.
Please let me know either way.

Bean.

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m211345
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\08\29@081524 by tdg8934n/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, tdg8934 wrote:

Ok. Will do. How did you test for the 4mA current use (when not in use)? Do I simply connect a meter between the CR123 battery voltage (+ or -) and the connector somehow?

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m211346
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\08\30@180546 by Sparks-R-Funn/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Sparks-R-Fun wrote:

T&E Engineer,
You are correct.  That is a good way to test current consumption.  The main consideration is that entire current must be made to flow through your testing device.  Of course there are other methods for measuring current but the approach you proposed is the one most straightforward for this application.

Let us know what you find out.

- Sparks
---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m211706
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)


'[SX] Turn the Parallax RoboGames metal into a &quo'
2007\09\07@054831 by beann/a
flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

I was wondering if anyone has tried this code on the new version of the Robogames metal yet ?

Bean.

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m214459
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\09\07@064904 by tdg8934n/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, tdg8934 wrote:

I did but seemed to have a problem after shutting it down (slide switch) to have it come back to the initial question. After turning it off and on a few times it would come back to the initial question screen.

I can look at it again tonight. Anything special to look at.

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m214470
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\09\07@080039 by beann/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

Hmmm, the older version doesn't have a switch. Try leaving it off for 10 seconds or so would be my only suggestion.
I might have to buy one of the newer ones just to check it out.

Bean.

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m214486
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\09\07@090415 by tdg8934n/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, tdg8934 wrote:

Bean,
I think you are right on the money on that. If I leave it off for a few seconds it does come back properly.

I'm still amazed that you took a reset button and gave it an input function to something else. Wow.

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m214499
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\09\07@093017 by beann/a

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

Cool, thanks for trying it. I guess if the voltage doesn't fall low enough it doesn't sense it as a power up.

I figured out how to use the reset button when we needed a fixture at work, and I was too lazy to make a custom PCB. So I just used the SX28 protoboard. But it needed a push button, so I set out to use the reset button.

Bean.

---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m214502
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)

2007\09\13@052903 by mreznicek

flavicon
face
In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, mreznicek@pretensa.com wrote:

Bean:

Along the lines of your 8-Ball... This is cool and a bit off topic.  Look at this "Sinister 7" that Pete at Sparkfun made to detect the Aether.   Enjoy. -Migs http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/present.php?p=Sinister7
---------- End of Message ----------

You can view the post on-line at:
http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=7&p=1&m=211155#m216007
Need assistance? Send an email to the Forum Administrator at forumadmin@parallax.com
The Parallax Forums are powered by dotNetBB Forums, copyright 2002-2007 (http://www.dotNetBB.com)


'[EE] NASA & ESA on Solar magneto mechanisms <-- Un'
2008\04\12@062138 by Apptech
face
flavicon
face
Mixing two posts:

> I've finally had enough of this crap. Have your
> pseuedo-scientific
> mumbo-jumbo and while you're at it, tie some magnets to
> the fuel line on
> your automobile to get better mileage, Russell.

I'm sorry that Bob can't either interact with the science
involved or just leave the subject alone BUT

I may not have put the following very precisely but, AFAIK,

- I gain the impression that the objections were related to
the soar magneto comments rather than to cosmic ray impact
on cloud formation.

The correlation with cloud formation is a current and
respectable theory albeit, as for most such theories, open
to challenge by others with competing theories on how the
sun works in this area. I didn't try and delve into the
actual sunspot mechanisms. This is way out of my field and
my areas of competence BUT I believe that it is a reasonable
summary of the science involved. I don't know why that is
upsetting.

- The sunspot stuff is flavour of the decade best theory.

{Quote hidden}

See ESA and NASA pages below for material covering a super
super set of what I said.

__________________


ESA SOHO [Hard to get too much more 'real']

       http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=13870

NASA
"The solar dynamo"

       http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/dynamo.shtml

NASA:        "It is widely believed that the Sun's magnetic
field is generated by a magnetic dynamo within the Sun. The
fact that the Sun's magnetic field changes dramatically over
the course of just a few years, and the fact that it changes
in a cyclical manner indicates that the magnetic field
continues to be generated within the Sun. A successful model
for the solar dynamo must explain several observations: 1)
the 11-year period of the sunspot cycle, 2) the equator-ward
drift of the active latitude as seen in the butterfly
diagram, 3) Hale's polarity law and the 22-year magnetic
cycle, 4) Joy's law for the observed tilt of sunspot groups
and, 5) the reversal of the polar magnetic fields near the
time of cycle maximum as seen in the magnetic butterfly
diagram.These


Interestingly, the NASA site references this page :-)

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_dynamo

NASA sunspot cycle 24 prediction with limits.

       http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/ssn_predict_l.gif

Note that their lower limit does NOT suggest a Maunder
minimum event is expected as is predicted by the paper that
I referenced a few days ago. Note the apparent difference in
tail slopes of cycles 22 & 23 on this NASA diagram. Hard to
be sure of anything with a graph not showing more earlier
material but cycle 23 seems to have a much flatter rail than
22. They do SEEM to expect a rather rapid rise once 24 gets
going. Exciting times ahead, maybe. Stay tuned.


Makes magnets on fuel lines seem tame :-).




       Russell






'[EE] NASA & ESA on Solar magneto mechanisms <--Un-'
2008\04\12@092810 by olin piclist

face picon face
Apptech wrote:
> I'm sorry that Bob can't either interact with the science
> involved or just leave the subject alone BUT

People come here to talk about PICs and related engineering and science.
You've been starting threads regularly on totally unrelated topics.  Nobody
asked about recent global warming research or theories.  You decided
unilaterally to barrage the list this stuff unsolicitedly.  While it may be
within the official definition for the EE tag, that only makes it legal.
It's still arrogant and a annoyance to many.  And every time someone ask you
to stop, you respond with another lengthy thread with even more blah blah.
So if nobody says anything, you will presumably continue.  If someone says
something, you respond in exactly the opposite way making it even worse.

It's not that global warming can't be scientifically treated, but at least
for my part, I get hit with enough blah blah about it already that I really
don't want to hear more of it unsolicited on the **PIC** list.

And no, filtering EE is not a reasonable solution for those that came here
to talk about PICs and the circuits, engineering, and science reasonably
related to them.  They do want to hear the legitimate things on the EE
channel.  Unfortunately this becomes less valuable when people pollute it
such as you have been doing.

The PIClist used to be a great place to talk about PICs.  Then the admins
got all touchy-feely and I'm not even sure you're allowed to tell someone to
RTFM anymore.  Then more rules changed, sensorship was added, and you are
more and more allowed to run amock.

> The correlation with cloud formation <blah, blah, blah>

There you go again.  The only response to requests to stuff a sock in it
already is even more of the same.  I understand Bob's frustration.  For him
the value of the PIClist has fallen below the hassle level being subscribed.
I wonder how many others are close behind.


********************************************************************
Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products
(978) 742-9014.  Gold level PIC consultants since 2000.

'[EE] NASA & ESA on Solar magneto mechanisms <-- Un'
2008\04\13@231900 by Apptech

face
flavicon
face
> People come here to talk about PICs and related
> engineering and science.
> You've been starting threads regularly on totally
> unrelated topics.

Relatively unrelated, yes.
Essentially all with engineering content. No Darwin awards,
funniest home videos, etc from me.

> Nobody asked about recent global warming research or
> theories.  You decided
> unilaterally to barrage the list this stuff unsolicitedly.

Good word.
The same does, indeed, apply to much of what I have posted.
More or less by definition, many will have not heard of
material if it's new or innovative. (essentially) Everything
I post along those lines is felt liable to be of interest to
inquiring engineering minds. Much raises little or no
comment. Much is a few lines of a few short paragraphs. Some
is somewhat longer. The longest is far shorter than the
totally untrimmed responses that pour off the list every
day. In terms of volume it's low at the worst of times when
the many who are interested read it and the many who are not
don't.

In this case my 1st post was about 60 lines as it had a
number of observations of weather conditions - mainly US. If
I had posted this under "Freak US weather" or whatever,
interested people would have happily rambled on about such
and nobody would have thought twice about it.

Look, if you can be bothered, at the list in "We are not
amused". How many of those subjects are 'harmful'. How many
are of potential interest to the community. Your answers to
those questions provide information both about the material
and about yourself.

> While it may be
> within the official definition for the EE tag, that only
> makes it legal.
> It's still arrogant and a annoyance to many.

I'll take it as a given that YOU are not seriously
suggesting that working within the rules could possibly ever
allow of arrogance.  So I'm not sure how to interpret that.
But, as noted "annoyance to many" is far far more a product
of the orchestrated fallout here than of the EE posts you
mention.

> The PIClist used to be a great place to talk about PICs.

That is a canard well exercised even by people who I would
have thought would want to stoop so low. The [PIC] tag /
subject area is extremely well protected and focused and you
can talk PICs all day in that forum with hardly an errant
word.

> Then the admins got all touchy-feely

I 'd be interested in seeing a single example of anyone ever
being castigated for talking about PICs. For using PICs as
an excuse to burn bash and bury and put in their trembling
place list newcomers and speakers of English as a second
language, sure.



       R

'[EE] NASA & ESA on Solar magneto mechanisms <--Un-'
2008\04\13@232215 by James Newton

face picon face
Are you unable to figure out how to set the list server to not send you EE
and OT topics?

Do you need me to help you do that?

Why can't you just turn off EE and OT?

--
James.

{Original Message removed}

'[EE] NASA & ESA on Solar magneto mechanisms<-- Un-'
2008\04\14@061735 by Richard Seriani, Sr.

picon face

----- Original Message -----
From: "Apptech" <TakeThisOuTapptechRemoveMEspam@spam@paradise.net.nz>
To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <EraseMEpiclistRemoveMEspammit.edu>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [EE] NASA & ESA on Solar magneto mechanisms <--  
Un-subscribblingsoRussell can play all he wants


{Quote hidden}

Russell,

You posted this in reply to Sean Schouten in August 2006:
Sean:
> 1) I like to see mail that doesn't feed my interest of electronics
> somewhere else than [PIC] or [EE].

Russell:
"Alas [EE] is NOT just Electrical engineering , as any sane EE would
conclude, but stands for "everything engineering". (See the FAQ). I
would love to see a [TECHO] tag added, allowing [EE] to be used for
electrical stuff alone, but James resolutely ignores all
blandishments, bribes and brutality and refuses to add extra tags. I
don't know why but he's obviously convinced it's not going to happen.

That leaves some interesting things in EE :-)

I must admit that the subject to hand is marginal but as it is ABOUT
EE's it arguably belongs there. But, being in OT is OK too.

I'd also like to see a [WOT] tag for even more extreme OT stuff. I add
WOT to my more severe OT stuff and many people seem to find that
useful enough.

Russell"

I'm relatively new to this group, but it would seem that something made you
change your mind about putting the OT tag on posts you once considered of
marginal value to those with an electrical engineering interest.

Curiously,
Richard



'[EE] NASA & ESA on Solar magneto mechanisms<--Un-s'
2008\04\14@065908 by Apptech

face
flavicon
face
Trimming while trying not to misrepresent:

FWIW I'd have thought this was better retagged as [OT] but
as it started in EE and is about where posts belong I'll
leave it in EE.

> Russell,
>
> You posted this in reply to Sean Schouten in August 2006:
> Sean:
>> 1) I like to see mail that doesn't feed my interest of
>> electronics
>> somewhere else than [PIC] or [EE].

It would, perhaps, have been useful if you had included the
subject of the original post.
It was "Why EEs love the stressful life".

You said:

> I'm relatively new to this group, but it would seem that
> something made you
> change your mind about putting the OT tag on posts you
> once considered of
> marginal value to those with an electrical engineering
> interest.
> Curiously,
> Richard

1.    Re my 'changing my mind.'
I may have been too long a day out / down here on the edge
of the Empire and the leading edge of the day - what I said
then seems to me to be entirely the same as I think now.
ie I try and put things where I feel they best belong and
sometimes the decision is hard to make. In the case that you
raise the subject was literally about EEs so it swayed the
balance towards EE, even though the subject per se wasn't
greatly EE.

If analysis of the material suggests that I have got things
wrong I'd be wholly happy to have it explained to me well
enough for me to understand - but if doing so please change
the tag to [OT] or send offlist, as suits.

2.    Re the definitive response to Sean's comments:
James Newton commented way back then.
Gargoyle knows what he said :-)
[I had pasted the link here but deleted it as that seemed
the best thing to do].

3.    Is this well material related to preparation of a
brief for the jury ? :-)



       Russell





'[OT]New Toyota recalls on Corolla & Matrix.'
2010\08\26@154238 by Funny NYPD
picon face
NEW YORK (AP) -- Toyota recalled 1.33 million Corolla sedans and  Matrix hatchbacks in the U.S. and Canada Thursday because their engines  may stall, the latest in a string of quality problems at the Japanese  automaker.

The recall covers vehicles from the 2005-2008 model  years sold in the U.S. and Canada. Three accidents and one minor injury  have been reported, though Toyota said a link to the engine issue has  not been confirmed.

Toyota said Corollas and Matrixes  equipped with 1ZZ-FE engines may contain a defective engine control  module, the computer that regulates the performance of the engine. In  some cases, a crack may develop on the module's circuit board, which  could prevent the engine from starting or could cause harsh shifting or  an engine stall.

Separately, General Motors Co. is recalling  200,000 Pontiac Vibes in North America due to the same problem, GM  spokesman Alan Adler said. The Vibe is similar to the Matrix and was  built under a joint venture between Toyota and GM at a now-closed  factory in Fremont, Calif.

Both automakers said they will replace  the engine control modules on the recalled vehicles at no charge. The  companies will begin mailing notifications to owners of the affected  vehicles in mid-September.

The engine control module with the  possible defect was manufactured by Delphi Corp., a large auto parts  supplier headquartered in Troy, Mich., according to documents filed with  federal regulators.

The National Highway Traffic Safety  Administration has been investigating the possibility of engine stalling  in the Corolla and Matrix models since late November. On Tuesday, the  traffic safety agency said it had intensified its investigation.
NHTSA spokeswoman Olivia Alair said Thursday that the probe is ongoing.
Toyota spokesman John Hanson said the automaker is cooperating with the safety agency on the probe.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, http://www.AuElectronics.com
http://www.AuElectronics.com/products
http://augroups.blogspot.com/




'[TECH]:: Light/Exposure meter collection, Camera &'
2012\02\13@090703 by RussellMc
face picon face
James Ollingers's collections:


Exposure meters & some tech stuff

http://www.jollinger.com/photo/meters/index.html

Cameras & related

http://www.jollinger.com/photo/cam-coll/index.html


_______________________

Adox Sport
Agfa Billy
Agfa Optima
Amica Eyelux
Ansco Anscoflex II
Ansco Readyflash
4x5 Ansco View
Argus Argoflex EM
Argus C3
Braun Super Paxette
Busch Pressman Model C
Canon A-1
Canon AE-1
Canon AE-1 Program
Canon AL-1
Canon AT-1
Canon Canonet
Canon Canonet QL
Canon New Canonet
Canon Canonet G-III
Canon Demi S
Canon EF
Canon Elph LT260
Canon EOS-1 and EOS-1N
Canon EOS 40D
Canon EOS 650
Canon EOS 850
Canon EOS Elan 2e
Canon EOS Rebel 2000
Canon EXee
Canon F-1
Canon FT and FTb
Canon FX
Canon New Sure Shot
Canon Pellix
Canon Photura
Canon Powershot A85
Canon Powershot G2
Canon Powershot S100 Digital Elph
Canon Powershot S500 Digital Elph
Canon RM
Canon Sure Shot AF35M
Canon Sure Shot Supreme
Canon Sure Shot Z85
Canon Sure Shot Z135
Canon T50
Canon T70
Canon T90
Ciro 35
Coronet 3-D
Counterfeit "Canon" Q5200
DeJur D-3
Delta Stereo
Fed 2
Graflex Century Graphic
Graflex Graphic 35
Graflex Junior
Graflex R.B. Series B
Graflex Speed Graphic
Haneel Tri-Vision
Iloca Realist 35
Kodak 1A Autographics
Kodak 2A Brownie Model B
Kodak 2C Brownie Model B
Kodak Brownie Bulls-Eye
Kodak Brownie Hawkeye
Kodak Brownie Holiday Flash
Kodak Brownie Reflex (Synchro)
Kodak Brownie Junior 620
Kodak Brownie Target 616, 620
Kodak DCS 215
Kodak Disc 4000
Kodak Disc 4100
Kodak Disc 6000
Kodak Disc 8000
Kodak Duaflexes
Kodak EasyShare C310
Kodak Instamatic 100 and 124
Kodak Jiffy 620
Kodak Junior Series II
Kodak 2 Folding Pocket Brownie B
Kodak 2A Brownie Model B
Kodak Retina Reflex III
Kodak Stereo
Kodak Tele-Ektralite 600
Kodak Tourist
Kodak Vest Pocket Autographic
Konica FT Motor
Mamiya/Sekor 500 and 1000 DTL
Minolta srT-201
Minolta XG-7
Minox B
Miranda Sensomat RE
Miranda Sensorex
Nikkormat FTN
Nimslo 3D
Nishika N8000
Olympus Camedia D-450
Olympus OM-2S
Olympus Quickmatic EEM
Olympus Stylus µ
Pentax K1000
Pentax P3
Pentax Spotmatic
Pentax Zoom 105 Super
Pentax ZX-30
Polaroid Big Shot
Polaroid Land 210
Polaroid Land 360
Polaroid Land 420
Praktica LTL 3
QRS DeVry Kamra
Revere 33
Ricoh Singlex
Ricohflex VIIs
Rolleiflex Automat MX
Rolleiflex SL35M and SL35E
TDC-206QB
Topcon RE 200
Toshiba PDR-M25
Tower 97 and Scout 120
Traid Corp. Fotron III
Univex Mercury II
Unknown digital camera
View-Master Personal
Vivitar Mini Digital
Vivitar PN2011
Vivitar Vivcam T135
Voigtländer Bessa
Voigtländer Brilliant
Voigtländer Dynamatic II
Voigtländer Vito B, C, and CD
Voigtländer Bessy AS
Yashica Auto Focus Motor
Yashica Lynx 5000
Zenit E
Zenit EM

More... (looser matching)
- Last day of these posts
- In 2012 , 2013 only
- Today
- New search...