Lee: you are welcome to resubscribe to the piclist.
Your removal was accidental, although (inadvertently) related to your
(imo) unpleasant posting concerning the most recent spammage on the piclist.
I just completed a mass deletion of ~30 problemmatic addresses (bounces, &c).
These were compiled from a list of bounce messages I had stored
in a particular mailbox of piclist administrative matters.
Your email was in with these, as I was intending to write to you
with my opinions concerning the appropriateness of commercial spam
products being posted to the piclist (or commercial posts at all) and
your defense of aforementioned messages.
You are correct in that we must "cope" with greed-inspired commercial
spammage which besets virtually all forms of communication. However,
this coping does not have to be the passive acceptance of whatever
is foisted upon us. I am personally in favor of aggressive measures
to keep spammage and blatant commercialism off the piclist, while
accomodating responsible postings from organisations with something
relevant to the list topic (such as useful information from Microchip,
At times, there are judgements calls to be made as to the appropriateness
of a particular post. I encourage those in doubt about a particular email
they wish to send to consult with me. However, this A-bomb scammer/spammer
and his drivel crearly fall outside of the realm of pic-related material
(commercial or otherwise). It clearly has no place on the piclist.
I hope soon to be able to restrict list postings to members of the list.
This will allow us to avoid the random spam, and to avoid even more
determined spam-efforts, by having the list subscription process entail
an agreement to certain reasonable terms of posting, etc (see my previous
spam warnings). Until that time, I send nasty email to every spammer, as
well as their service provider (and their provider's provider), and those
listed by the nic as responsible for the domain name used, etc. I also
forward all spammage info to various blacklists, etc.
> > You have been removed from the PICLIST list (pic microcontroller
> > discussion list) by Jory Bell <spam_OUTjoryTakeThisOuTMIT.EDU>.
> Why, may I ask, was I removed from this list? I find the list
> interesting and useful concerning PIC microcontrollers. And
> if you review my previous postings, I think I contributed. I
> would like to continue receiving PIC information.
> I'll freely admit that my last posting was not directly related
> to PICs. But then neither were the postings by Peter F Klammer,
> Clyde Smith-Stubbs, and Mike Bender. Were they removed from the
> list? Or were their postings OK because they dumped on Mister
> Slaton. And mine was so egregious because I dissented?
> I said that I felt the best way to deal with postings such as
> Mr Slaton's was just to delete them if you're not interested.
> Any medium used for the transfer of information will be used by
> some for marketing. You have to cope with that. Expecting the
> Internet to be free of all commercial activity is naive.
> I'd really like to know what was so awfull in my last posting
> that you felt I had to be "silenced" and cut off from receiving
> information about PIC microcontrollers.
> Lee Jones
Rereading what I wrote, I realised it might not be clear that I had
accidentally unsubscribed Lee, as his mail was mixed in with admin
deletions. I had intended to just send him a note, but accidentally
added him to the list of bad addresses. Hope that's clear.
I have never removed a user due to content, and hopefully never will.
:Your email was in with these, as I was intending to write to you
:with my opinions concerning the appropriateness of commercial spam
:products being posted to the piclist (or commercial posts at all) and
:your defense of aforementioned messages.
>Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:44:19
>You have been removed from the PICLIST list (pic microcontroller
>discussion list) by Jory Bell <.....joryKILLspam@spam@MIT.EDU>.
I get all my mail at CRL, with no problems, and have for years!
Please resubscribe me, and don't remove me again. If there is a problem,
I'd appreciate being informed as to its existence and nature, BEFORE any
action is taken.
How on earth can we ask an ISP to resolve a problem without knowing anything
about it? If you've an apparent mail bounce problem, you owe it to the
person to see if they actually get the mail or not. I've never had a report
of trouble from anyone, and would be very interested to see a copy of a
returned mail header, since I've been getting tons list mail here daily....
>>You have been removed from the PICLIST list (pic microcontrol
>>discussion list) by Jory Bell <EraseMEjoryspam_OUTTakeThisOuTMIT.EDU>.
>I get all my mail at CRL, with no problems, and have for years!
>Please resubscribe me, and don't remove me again. If there is a proble
>I'd appreciate being informed as to its existence and nature, BEFORE an
>action is taken.
Get a grip Dave. If you are unhappy with the piclist service start your
list (I mean that.. it's not that hard to start one, and then you'll hav
the joys of maintainence).
Is it not possible to create a Usenet newsgroup on the PIC? There is
certainly enough traffic here to qualify it as a Usenet group. We would
not have to worry about boncing mail too... (Reading the above,
I think that both sides are right to a certain extent...)