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1997\08\15@020737 by .jaring.my, and/or

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Being new to the LIST I'm really surprised and frustrated  to see I've
subscribed for. A lot of rubbish, totally unprofessional discussions
going on, wasting everyone's time checking out 50-100 emails everyday
which could've been used to do something else - productive.

Enough is enough. Let's all be professional and disccus ONLY PICs. After
all this is the PICLIST not PIGLIST and I supposed you're all are
professional engineers, aren't you?


Sam

1997\08\15@085942 by Engineering Department

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< From: Sam S Man >
> Being new to the LIST I'm really surprised and frustrated  to see I've
> subscribed for. A lot of rubbish, totally unprofessional discussions
> going on, wasting everyone's time checking out 50-100 emails everyday
> which could've been used to do something else - productive.
>
> Enough is enough. Let's all be professional and disccus ONLY PICs. After
> all this is the PICLIST not PIGLIST and I supposed you're all are
> professional engineers, aren't you?


So sorry Sam, our humanity is showing.

Win Wiencke
Image Logic Corporation

1997\08\15@092710 by Norm Cramer

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At 08:52 AM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>< From: Sam S Man >
>> Being new to the LIST I'm really surprised and frustrated  to see I've
>> subscribed for. A lot of rubbish, totally unprofessional discussions
>> going on, wasting everyone's time checking out 50-100 emails everyday
>> which could've been used to do something else - productive.
>>
>> Enough is enough. Let's all be professional and disccus ONLY PICs. After
>> all this is the PICLIST not PIGLIST and I supposed you're all are
>> professional engineers, aren't you?
>
>
>So sorry Sam, our humanity is showing.
>
>Win Wiencke
>Image Logic Corporation
>
>

It does get carried away at times but don't your office mates also have
"water cooler" discussions from time to time?

Norm

1997\08\15@093409 by lrich

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Sam S Man wrote:
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> Being new to the LIST I'm really surprised and frustrated  to see I've
> subscribed for. A lot of rubbish, totally unprofessional discussions
> going on, wasting everyone's time checking out 50-100 emails everyday
> which could've been used to do something else - productive.

Go start your own mail list.  Run it the way you want.

>
> Enough is enough. Let's all be professional and disccus ONLY PICs. After
> all this is the PICLIST not PIGLIST and I supposed you're all are
> professional engineers, aren't you?
>

Shit no, we don't allow such types on here.  Well, maybe a few if
they're interesting.  Are you interesting?  Have you done much with PIC
chips yet?

I've used them in five diferent products so far. They have some nice
features and some not so nice ones, so what do you want to talk about?

1997\08\15@110613 by wky

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On 15 Aug 97 at 8:27, Lynn Richardson wrote:

> Sam S Man wrote:
> >
> > Being new to the LIST I'm really surprised and frustrated  to see I've
> > subscribed for. A lot of rubbish, totally unprofessional discussions
> > going on, wasting everyone's time checking out 50-100 emails everyday
> > which could've been used to do something else - productive.
>
> Go start your own mail list.  Run it the way you want.

Sam is absolutely right. Currently there is an annoying amount of
noise in this previously excellent list.

Regards,
Wolfgang

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1997\08\15@140639 by .jaring.my, and/or

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Lynn Richardson wrote:
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WOW! (Salute...Claps...)

I'm proud of you..( and probably others too). I don't mind an off topic
diccusion or a few. But as long as it doesn't get really annoying, it's
OK. Watercooler? No problemo. Of course there are the funny sides of the
discussion but not up to that extend! Hei.. I'm human like you too..

Yeah. One day when I have all the times I need, I'll start my own mail
list. No sweat.

Being new to the LIST doesn't mean I'm new to uP world. Being humble I
believe is the best way to gain more and more knowledge and not showing
off what you can do. You can only get that far.

Without this "types" my dear Lynn, you won't get any where in your
discussions nor your works.  You won't get to the bottom of it. And if
you do it may not be done the right way. How do you think PICs and any
other uPs would exist if it wasn't for this "type" of people?

And I think you are really good at this type of disscussion, ha?
(banging each other)

Just to let you know I was with Intel for 4+ years then shifted to
Motorola and now running my own bussiness dealing with GPS and survey
instruments. Now I'm trying out PICs because I have all the times (and
some money) since I'm the boss himself. Still I don't consider myself
good, I'm not saying I'm good. I need as much guidance as I can get,
because to me, the more you learn the more you think how small your
capacity is.

You may reply. I'm hanging in. But not going to reply back. We and
probably others too might get carried away and make things worst.

My apalogy to all who think my comments were not supposed to be on the
LIST in the first place.

Thank you all.

Happy PICListing'n

Sam

1997\08\15@151706 by lrich

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Sam S Man wrote:
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> Without this "types" my dear Lynn, you won't get any where in your
> discussions nor your works.  You won't get to the bottom of it. And if
> you do it may not be done the right way. How do you think PICs and any
> other uPs would exist if it wasn't for this "type" of people?

I was kidding, Sam.  Sometimes the list gets boring and I like a little
comic relief.

> And I think you are really good at this type of disscussion, ha?
> (banging each other)

I'll stop.

> Just to let you know I was with Intel for 4+ years then shifted to
> Motorola and now running my own bussiness dealing with GPS and survey
> instruments. Now I'm trying out PICs because I have all the times (and
> some money) since I'm the boss himself. Still I don't consider myself
> good, I'm not saying I'm good. I need as much guidance as I can get,
> because to me, the more you learn the more you think how small your
> capacity is.

Me too.  I've been using microcontrollers in designs since 1979 when the
National COPS400 came out.  I liked the 400s, the PICs are a lot like
them in architecture, instruction set and cost.  I've used Motorola's
6805s and Zilog's Z8s as well.

One thing to watch with PICs is brownout situations.  They don't seem to
have a true power on reset like others.  You have to be sure if VDD goes
below 2V it and all other IO pins continue to go down to VSS before VDD
comes back up.  If you don't, there's a chance the IO ports will have
pins latched into a high or low output and no way to overide by
resetting the TRISx register or port register in your program.

Actually I've tested them down to 0.5 volts before rising and they seem
to power up ok, but Mchip's data sheet says down to VSS.

My latest projects are using PICs for a brushless DC motor controller, a
portable saw mill plank thickness controller and a Belgian Waffle
griddle timer.  All pretty low tech unlike your GPS work.

Have fun and watchout for MPLAB bugs.

1997\08\15@160122 by Steve Smith

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< From: Sam S Man >
> Being new to the LIST I'm really surprised and frustrated  to see I've
> subscribed for. A lot of rubbish, totally unprofessional discussions
> going on, wasting everyone's time checking out 50-100 emails everyday
> which could've been used to do something else - productive.
>
> Enough is enough. Let's all be professional and disccus ONLY PICs. After
> all this is the PICLIST not PIGLIST and I supposed you're all are
> professional engineers, aren't you?

Even engineers are entitled to a sence of humor however warped !
Steve.....

1997\08\15@160324 by Shane Nelson

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On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Lynn Richardson wrote:

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> Have fun and watchout for MPLAB bugs.
>

What is with those anyway? I've never used such an unstable program. Maybe
I'm doing something wrong?

It seems that MPLAB can only find #include files when it feels like, and
you have to close and open it again to fix it. Easy to fix, but soooooooo
annoying.

And if that's not annoying enough, sometimes when I make changes, it'll
decide that it can't open the file to save changes. argh.

Maybe it just doesn't like #include "..\..\dirname\file.asm"...

I'm using version 3.22.02. A fix would be nice, unless there's one I dont
know about?

-Shane.

1997\08\18@011924 by Pasi T Mustalahti

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On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Lynn Richardson wrote:

> Sam S Man wrote:
> >
> > Being new to the LIST I'm really surprised and frustrated  to see I've
> > subscribed for. A lot of rubbish, totally unprofessional discussions
> > going on, wasting everyone's time checking out 50-100 emails everyday
> > which could've been used to do something else - productive.
>
> Go start your own mail list.  Run it the way you want.
PTM: I'm very disapointed to this list. Or better yet: I'm disappointed to
these people who doesn't understand how to use Internet.
There is a lot of lists and news-lists (wars, flames..) where you can go
to continue your ragbiting. Leave these technical lists for what they are
made for.


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PTM: IF shit.throwing is your main interest, why not make a new list for
it and go there.

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1997\08\18@084959 by lrich

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Pasi T Mustalahti wrote:
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> On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Lynn Richardson wrote:
>
> > Sam S Man wrote:
> > >
> > > Being new to the LIST I'm really surprised and frustrated  to see I've
> > > subscribed for. A lot of rubbish, totally unprofessional discussions
> > > going on, wasting everyone's time checking out 50-100 emails everyday
> > > which could've been used to do something else - productive.
> >
> > Go start your own mail list.  Run it the way you want.
> PTM: I'm very disapointed to this list. Or better yet: I'm disappointed to
> these people who doesn't understand how to use Internet.
> There is a lot of lists and news-lists (wars, flames..) where you can go
> to continue your ragbiting. Leave these technical lists for what they are
> made for.
>

I think I understand what is happening... the ones complaining are not
native english speaking and there is a considerable effort on their part
to just read the posts let alone sort out the dreck.  I apologize to
these people as I didn't realize their situation.  Us native english
speakers can rapidly scan the 50-100 posts without doing a full read and
skip the junk so it (usually) doesn't bother us.


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I must remember this is an internationally read list and US idioms and
expletives can be misunderstood.  This was meant to be a joke, but they
seldom translate well.   Reminds me of a time when a japanese engineer I
worked with was told a joke that used the term 'wild goose', needless to
say the joke wasn't understood.  However he did have an excellent USA to
Nippon idiom dictionary that he used later in the day to look it up, we
thought he'd lost his mind when he started laughing hard enough to need
to sit down!

1997\08\20@072320 by mikesmith_oz

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On 18 Aug 97 at 7:44, Lynn Richardson wrote:

> Pasi T Mustalahti wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Lynn Richardson wrote:
>
> I think I understand what is happening... the ones complaining are
> not native english speaking and there is a considerable effort on
> their part to just read the posts let alone sort out the dreck.  I
> apologize to these people as I didn't realize their situation.  Us
> native english speakers can rapidly scan the 50-100 posts without
> doing a full read and skip the junk so it (usually) doesn't bother
> us.
>

Is it my imagination, or do there seem to be a large number of, as
you put it, 'not native english speaking' members unsubscribing?
(and doing it incorrectly, by posting to this list - perhaps as a
not so silent rebuke?)

MikeS
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'What is this?'
1999\04\28@043247 by willi
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I found a application with this delay routine.
DELAY:  MOVLW <number>
       MOVWF DELAY
DELAY1: DECFSZ DELAY,F
       B DELAY1

What is line B DELAY1 ?

Thanks,
Willi

1999\04\28@045154 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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1999\04\28@094226 by Nick Taylor

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Ciszkowski Willi wrote:
> I found a application with this delay routine.
> DELAY:  MOVLW <number>
>         MOVWF DELAY
> DELAY1: DECFSZ DELAY,F
>         B DELAY1
>
> What is line B DELAY1 ?

Hi
The "B" is the mnemonic for BRANCH.  If you are using MPLAB, look
at the MPASM help file, Appendix E, PIC16Cxx Instruction Set,
Table E.11 Special Instruction Mnemonics.  Below is the entry for B:

         B     k       Branch  GOTO    k       -

- - - Nick - - -

1999\04\28@162240 by engelec

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B means branch same as GOTO

Andre



Ciszkowski Willi wrote:

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