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2004\08\13@112019 by csb

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I just ordered some 12F675 & 12F683 (the latter being fairly new) samples... I was hoping to find a programmer (free schematic & software) for these as well as a 16F867A. Not easy to find! Any hints?

I was running through the supported devices for ICProg, the 12F675 and 876A are there but I don't know which HW interface to choose. The JDM looks easy to build, but will it program them (with socket modifications)? I would think that as long as the Vpp is right, and the Sdata and Sclock are connected and the software has the timing specs it should work?

The 12Fs being SOIC8 chips, maybe I should go for ICSP (gulp)?


Thanks for any help,
christian

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2004\08\13@112639 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I just ordered some 12F675 & 12F683 (the latter being fairly
> new) samples... I was hoping to find a programmer (free
> schematic & software) for these as well as a 16F867A. Not
> easy to find! Any hints?

Olins progger; my wisp628

> The 12Fs being SOIC8 chips, maybe I should go for ICSP (gulp)?

Why did you choose to sample SOICs if you are uncomfortable with that
housing? The 12F's are available in DIP! Note that I do sell a
SOIC-to-DIP converter PCB, but you might as well order (or sample) a DIP
PIC.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\08\13@120003 by Stef Mientki

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Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

>>I just ordered some 12F675 & 12F683 (the latter being fairly
>>new) samples... I was hoping to find a programmer (free
>>schematic & software) for these as well as a 16F867A. Not
>>easy to find! Any hints?
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>Olins progger; my wisp628
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>>The 12Fs being SOIC8 chips, maybe I should go for ICSP (gulp)?
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>Why did you choose to sample SOICs if you are uncomfortable with that
>housing? The 12F's are available in DIP! Note that I do sell a
>SOIC-to-DIP converter PCB,
>
Wouter,
how many pins, where can I find them, I need them regulary and they are
difficult to find.
Stef Mientk

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2004\08\13@121042 by Paul James E.

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Stef,

Go to http://www.basicmicro.com and order their ISPPro programmer for $59.95
(USD).   We use these at work for our projects.  They are inexpensive,
fast, reliable, and cover all the parts below.  And they measure roughly
2 x 4 inches or so.   It's a bargain.


                                                 Regards,

                                                   Jim




Supported SERIAL EPROM's:
24C01, 24C02, 24C04, 24C08, 24C16, 24C32, 24C64, 24C65, 24C128, 24C256
Supported PICmicro MCUs:
PIC12C508, PIC12C508A, PIC12C509, PIC12C509A, PIC12C671, PIC12C672,
PIC12CE518, PIC12CE519, PIC12CE673, PIC12CE674, PIC12F629, PIC12F675,
PIC16C432, PIC16C433, PIC16C505 PIC16C554, PIC16C557, PIC16C558, PIC16C61,
PIC16C62 PIC16C620, PIC16C620A, PIC16C621, PIC16C621A, PIC16C622
PIC16C622A, PIC16C62A, PIC16C62B, PIC16C63, PIC16C63A PIC16C64, PIC16C642,
PIC16C64A, PIC16C65, PIC16C65A PIC16C65B, PIC16C66, PIC16C662, PIC16C67,
PIC16C71 PIC16C710, PIC16C711, PIC16C712, PIC16C715, PIC16C716 PIC16C717,
PIC16C72, PIC16C72A, PIC16C73, PIC16C73A PIC16C73B, PIC16C74, PIC16C745,
PIC16C74A, PIC16C74B PIC16C76, PIC16C765, PIC16C77, PIC16C770, PIC16C771
PIC16C773, PIC16C774, PIC16C781, PIC16C782, PIC16C84 PIC16C923, PIC16C924,
PIC16C925, PIC16C926, PIC16CE623 PIC16CE624, PIC16CE625, PIC16F627,
PIC16F627A, PIC16F628 PIC16F628A, PIC16F630, PIC16F648A, PIC16F676,
PIC16F684 PIC16F716, PIC16F72, PIC16F73, PIC16F74, PIC16F76 PIC16F77,
PIC16F818, PIC16F819, PIC16F83, PIC16F84 PIC16F84a, PIC16F870, PIC16F871,
PIC16F872 PIC16F873, PIC16F873A, PIC16F874, PIC16F874A, PIC16F876
PIC16F876A, PIC16F877, PIC16F877a, PIC16HV540 PIC18C242, PIC18C252,
PIC18C442, PIC18C452, PIC18C601 PIC18C658, PIC18C801, PIC18C858,
PIC18F1220, PIC18F1320 PIC18F2220, PIC18F2320, PIC18F2331, PIC18F242,
PIC18F2431 PIC18F2439, PIC18F248, PIC18F252, MCPIC250XX, PIC18F2539
PIC18F258, PIC18F4220, PIC18F4320, PIC18F4331, PIC18F442 PIC18F4431,
PIC18F4439, PIC18F448, PIC18F452, PIC18F4539 PIC18F458, PIC18F6520,
PIC18F6525, PIC18F6585, PIC18F6620 PIC18F6621, PIC18F6680, PIC18F6720,
PIC18F8520, PIC18F8525 PIC18F8585, PIC18F8620, PIC18F8621, PIC18F8680,
PIC18F8720 PIC14000





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2004\08\13@122337 by Stef Mientki

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Paul thanks,

but I was looking for

"SOIC-to-DIP converter PCB,"

Stef

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2004\08\13@131708 by CSB

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> Why did you choose to sample SOICs if you are uncomfortable with that
> housing? The 12F's are available in DIP! Note that I do sell a
> SOIC-to-DIP converter PCB, but you might as well order (or sample) a DIP
> PIC.
>
Ah yes, but they are heavier & bulkier! this is for an ultra-mini speed controller for a RC plane. But thinking of it now, the weight difference is not that big... anyway SOICs look nicer especially if there are other SMDs around, and they are slim-er. I might just finish my board with a programming header for ICSP, and when it works I can remove it.

Wisp628 : nice, but I don't see 12F683 in it's supported devices, and I need to program a 16F628 (or buy it).

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2004\08\13@133536 by Denny Esterline

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My favorite for a "cheap" programmer is the JDM design. Olimex makes one
you can get assembled and shipped for less than $13. (try http://www.sparkfun.com)
The schematics are on the olimex web site, it's not much more than a couple
transistors and diodes.

I think, at least at the moment, the only dev tools for the 12f683 is the
ICD 2 or the pickit1 with updated software (maybe firmware too, I'm not
sure - which would be bad because it's a OTP chip :o(

Kinda on the same subject, Since ICProg 1.05C (latest AFAICT) doesn't
support the f88, I've been looking for software that will. I found WinPic
here: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/winpicpr.html

It supports the F88, plus a bunch of other common chips (f675 - yes, f683 -
not listed)

-Denny

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2004\08\13@140521 by Bob Axtell

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Tony Nixon's K149, K150 and his lovely K128 all support F88 now.
Checkout Peter at
KitsRUs.Com .

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2004\08\13@141600 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> > Why did you choose to sample SOICs if you are uncomfortable
> with that
> > housing? The 12F's are available in DIP! Note that I do sell a
> > SOIC-to-DIP converter PCB, but you might as well order (or
> sample) a DIP
> > PIC.
> >
> Ah yes, but they are heavier & bulkier! this is for an
> ultra-mini speed controller for a RC plane. But thinking of
> it now, the weight difference is not that big... anyway SOICs
> look nicer especially if there are other SMDs around, and
> they are slim-er. I might just finish my board with a
> programming header for ICSP, and when it works I can remove it.

You can't have it all. Note that SOIC test clips do exist, although not
as common (or cheap) as DIP clips.

> Wisp628 : nice, but I don't see 12F683 in it's supported
> devices, and I need to program a 16F628 (or buy it).

12F683: I don't have that chip yet (it is still 'future product').

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\08\13@141601 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> >Why did you choose to sample SOICs if you are uncomfortable with that
> >housing? The 12F's are available in DIP! Note that I do sell a
> >SOIC-to-DIP converter PCB,
> >
> Wouter,
> how many pins, where can I find them, I need them regulary
> and they are difficult to find.

http://www.voti.nl/shop/products.html

As yet 8-pin only (fits the OP's 12F's). Let me know when you need other
sizes.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\08\13@143224 by Josh Koffman

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BTW, if anyone in Canada is ordering from Wouter, I'd love a few of
his surplus trackpad modules. I'd be happy to reimburse you (via
PayPal preferably) if you order some then mail them to me. Yes, I know
I could just order direct, but I need a kick in the pants to get this
in gear!

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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:15:40 +0200, Wouter van Ooijen <RemoveMEwouterspamTakeThisOuTvoti.nl> wrote:
> http://www.voti.nl/shop/products.html
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> As yet 8-pin only (fits the OP's 12F's). Let me know when you need other
> sizes.

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2004\08\13@200101 by Dwayne Reid

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At 10:24 AM 8/13/2004, Stef Mientki wrote:

>"SOIC-to-DIP converter PCB,"

I'm not Wouter, but I can offer a few varieties of SO-DIP adapters if you
wish.  There are multiple adapters on each strip - use tin-snips or a shear
to separate them.

4- so8 (stacked end-to-end)
4- so8 (stacked side-to-side)
3- so16, 3- so8
3- so16, 2- so8
2- so28, 1- so8
2- so28, 1- so16

Each of the above strips is US $2.00 - let me know which ones you want.

One thing to note: the so8 is a little odd in that the chip mounts on the
UNDERSIDE of the PCB.  It was the only way I could get a 0.208" wide body
so8 to fit and still keep the pins on the standard 0.3" DIP spacing.  The
so pads will accept both 0.150" & 2.08" packages.

dwayne

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2004\08\13@204045 by William Chops Westfield

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On Aug 13, 2004, at 4:59 PM, Dwayne Reid wrote:
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>> "SOIC-to-DIP converter PCB,"
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Yeah, but you're looking for a programming socket, not a conversion
tool, right?  those are harder to find, and a lot more expensive :-(

There's supposed to be some sort of "universal adaptor" coming from
microchip for the pikkit1 as part of the 10f rollout, but I don't see
any details yet...

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2004\08\14@060406 by Howard Winter

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Wouter,

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:15:40 +0200, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

> > Wisp628 : nice, but I don't see 12F683 in it's supported devices
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> 12F683: I don't have that chip yet (it is still 'future product').

I don't see the new 14-pin 16F684 and 688 in the list - are they supported?

Cheers,


Howard Winter
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2004\08\14@062906 by Rob Hamerling

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> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:15:40 +0200, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
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>>>Wisp628 : nice, but I don't see 12F683 in it's supported devices
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>>12F683: I don't have that chip yet (it is still 'future product').


Howard Winter wrote:
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> I don't see the new 14-pin 16F684 and 688 in the list - are they supported?
>

Hi Howard,

I have programmed these with Wisp628 and my XWisp2 (OS/2 and W32).

Regards, Rob.

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2004\08\14@070434 by Morgan Olsson

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No need for a connector just for programming.
Make a fixture to hold the PCB, with spring loaded test pins contacting component pins or test pads for ICSP and test.
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2004\08\14@093906 by Howard Winter

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Rob,

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:29:54 +0200, Rob Hamerling wrote:

> Howard Winter wrote:
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> > I don't see the new 14-pin 16F684 and 688 in the
list - are they supported?
> >
>
> Hi Howard,
>
> I have programmed these with Wisp628 and my XWisp2
(OS/2 and W32).

Great - thanks!  I keep meaning to try out your OS/2
version of XWisp2 - I'm a long-term OS/2 user and I
really ought to set myself up properly :-)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
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2004\08\15@190252 by CSB

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> 12F683: I don't have that chip yet (it is still 'future product').
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That depends on where you see it. The 12F683 is In Production if you find it in the complete list;
but it's still a future product if you're in the detailed view.

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