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1997\10\14@105701 by Matt Bonner

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A question for you British PIClisters:

My girlfriend (an ex-Brit) says that each e-mail sent from the UK costs
10 pence.  She figures that's why her brother doesn't send very much
mail.  Considering the volume of mail on this list from the UK, I find
this charge on e-mail hard to believe - perhaps it's just one particulat
ISP.  Any comments?  Any suggestions as to an ISP that doesn't do this?

Thanks, Matt

1997\10\14@112601 by Mike Smith

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Date: Wednesday, 15 October 1997 0:28
Subject: Totally [OT] - A question for the Brits.


>A question for you British PIClisters:
>
>My girlfriend (an ex-Brit) says that each e-mail sent from the UK costs
>10 pence.  She figures that's why her brother doesn't send very much
>mail.  Considering the volume of mail on this list from the UK, I find
>this charge on e-mail hard to believe - perhaps it's just one particulat
>ISP.  Any comments?  Any suggestions as to an ISP that doesn't do this?


Use one of the free www based email systems from America.
10p seems very steep to me.

From the other end of the world (Oz) where email is free.

MikeS
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1997\10\14@121148 by wwl

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:53:23 -0600, you wrote:

>A question for you British PIClisters:
>
>My girlfriend (an ex-Brit) says that each e-mail sent from the UK costs
>10 pence.  She figures that's why her brother doesn't send very much
>mail.  Considering the volume of mail on this list from the UK, I find
>this charge on e-mail hard to believe - perhaps it's just one particulat
>ISP.  Any comments?  Any suggestions as to an ISP that doesn't do this?
>
Depends on the ISP - some charge for connect time, I've not heard of
any charging for emails, also phone charges are typically 5p minimum,
more if not a local call

1997\10\14@122024 by Ian Cameron

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> A question for you British PIClisters:
>
> My girlfriend (an ex-Brit) says that each e-mail sent from the UK costs
> 10 pence.  She figures that's why her brother doesn't send very much
> mail.  Considering the volume of mail on this list from the UK, I find
> this charge on e-mail hard to believe - perhaps it's just one particulat
> ISP.  Any comments?  Any suggestions as to an ISP that doesn't do this?

I can't say I know of an ISP which does this.  With most ISP's you
pay a flat monthly charge regardless of use, and your phone bill.
You could say that an E-mail will always cost at least 4.2 pence (if
you are using BT), since this is the minimum charge they make for a
call. On a weekend at local rate, that's 4.2 minutes of call time,
and more if you put the ISP numbers on the Friends and Family
scheme !  F+F is free, it gives you 10% discount on 10 selected
numbers which you can change at will.  There is also another discount
scheme which gives another 15% on any calls you make, so F+F numbers
can get upto 25%, but that costs (can't remember how much), so you
have to work out whether or not it's economically viable.

I believe AOL/Compuserve still offer pay per use schemes, but AFAIK,
not charges per E-mail sent, just on-line time in general.

Typically, you can get an account with an ISP for about 10 UKP/month
which works out to be about 30 - 35 pence/day.  If you only send one
E-mail on a day, and do nothing else, it works out to be aound 40
pence ! - Humm, and that's before line rental...

There may well be a local ISP near to your girlfriends brother, which
can do a decent deal.  The local ones are usually cheaper than the
bigger ones, but don't always cover the whole of the UK.  AFAIK,
Demon Internet uses a flat charge scheme, although it's probably not
the cheapest.

Cheers, Ian.

1997\10\14@131302 by Leon Heller

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In message <EraseME34438763.38FF6DAspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTsunada.com>, Matt Bonner
<mbonnerspamspam_OUTSUNADA.COM> writes
>A question for you British PIClisters:
>
>My girlfriend (an ex-Brit) says that each e-mail sent from the UK costs
>10 pence.  She figures that's why her brother doesn't send very much
>mail.  Considering the volume of mail on this list from the UK, I find
>this charge on e-mail hard to believe - perhaps it's just one particulat
>ISP.  Any comments?  Any suggestions as to an ISP that doesn't do this?
>
>Thanks, Matt

It depends on the ISP. I use Demon, which gives me unlimited Internet
access for #10 a month (including 5 Mb of Web space). Some ISPs charge
according to the amount of data transferred.

Email just costs me for the time it takes to send it to (or receive it
from) my ISP while I am on-line, on my phone bill (local call). If it
takes 1 second, that will be 1/60p at weekends (1p a minute). It's
somewhat more during the week.

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1997\10\14@134949 by Nigel Goodwin

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In message <KILLspam34438763.38FF6DAKILLspamspamsunada.com>, Matt Bonner
<RemoveMEmbonnerTakeThisOuTspamSUNADA.COM> writes
>A question for you British PIClisters:
>
>My girlfriend (an ex-Brit) says that each e-mail sent from the UK costs
>10 pence.  She figures that's why her brother doesn't send very much
>mail.  Considering the volume of mail on this list from the UK, I find
>this charge on e-mail hard to believe - perhaps it's just one particulat
>ISP.  Any comments?  Any suggestions as to an ISP that doesn't do this?
>
>Thanks, Matt


It sounds a bit strange, I use Demon Internet, this costs me a flat fee
of 10 pounds + 17.5% VAT, a total of 11.75 pounds per month. The only
charges other than that are phone costs (unfortunately we don't get free
local calls in the UK), this costs about 1 pound an hour in the evenings
and about 0.60 pounds per hour at the weekend for local calls. My ISP
has full (more than full, it's duplicated as well) local call coverage
of the UK so there's no need to use long distance calls.

According to Demon's statistics their members are responsible for 5% of
all local phone calls in the UK!.

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1997\10\14@152032 by Matt Bonner

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Thanks to all the Brits (and the one Aussie) who responded.  My
girlfriend's brother is a complete 'net and email newbie, so when he
told her it cost 10p for each email he must have meant that it took him
2 minutes to send an email. (He should learn to read and compose
off-line.)  Of course, maybe I was confused by my girlfriends British to
Canadian translation.

--Matt

BTW, at the moment local calls are free here and my ISP only charges CDN
$15 a month for 40 hours a week.  I'll have to unsubscribe if local
calls get charged.  The 197 emails I had this morning (after a long
weekend) would break me!

1997\10\14@173654 by Steve Smith

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Rubbish mail is free at AOL you just pay calls at local rate - prevailing
discount and a flat monthly fee for web space ect. I think #16 permonth
unlimited access this equates to #0.5 per day and then you can use it as much
as the bank ballance will stand the telephone charges.......

You can send about 20 small mails in a minute (1p) fone bill but a Mb takes
about 15 mins at 14K4 (never wrote a mail that long in my life)


Cheers Steve........
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EX is derived from the latin and means ' Passed / Used to be'
SPURT is a drip under pressure.

Consequently 'Expert' literaly defined " Used to be a drip under pressure"

1997\10\14@211728 by Tony Dickinson

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At 08:53 14/10/97 -0600, Matt Bonner wrote:
>My girlfriend (an ex-Brit) says that each e-mail sent from the UK costs
>10 pence.

Mine cost something like 1% of that - at a quick rough estimate! But then
my ISP comes free since I work part time for them - all I have to pay for
is my, local rate, phone calls and I reckon that I can process something in
excess of 100 messages for 10 pence.


tony - From a sunny and marginally less soggy Somerset, England.
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1997\10\15@074522 by Dave Mullenix

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>Cheers Steve........
>The 'Expert'
>EX is derived from the latin and means ' Passed / Used to be'
>SPURT is a drip under pressure.
>
>Consequently 'Expert' literaly defined " Used to be a drip under pressure"
>
Also sometimes defined as:

X= the mathematical sign for the unknown.

Therefore "expert" means "Unknown drip under pressure."

1997\10\15@083950 by Peter Baines

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Perhaps they are referring to the cost of the phone call to the ISP through
BT this is a minimum of 10p.

Cheers Peter

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