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2000\01\03@144520 by Robert.Rolf

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On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, piclist.com wrote:
> The official FAQ for the PICList is at....
> http://www.piclist.com
>
> who would have guessed <GRIN>

Amazing. Something logical...

Would it be too much to ask that the piclist provide a subject tag like
most other lists do? It's trivial to enable it in majorodomo, but it makes
it a lot easier for dumb software to filter the incoming mail (and dumb
eyeballs as well).

Subject: [PIC] ....

is but 6 extra characters and makes it a heck of a lot easier to sort
the real mail from the spam, particularly given the volume of mail on this
list.

TIA

Robert
spam_OUT--Robert.RolfTakeThisOuTspamUAlberta.ca
"If 'debugging' is the process of removing errors, then 'programming' must
be the process of putting them in".

2000\01\03@150557 by Darren King

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Why Can't you just do this with your E-Mail program?  You know the message
is always going to be from .....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU

Subjects are really trival and there is alot of room for people to mess with
that.  Just create a filter based on the E-Mail to field.  Eudora can do it.
Outlook Express can do it.  Put it in its own folder and viola.

{Original Message removed}

2000\01\03@153542 by Robert.Rolf

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On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Darren King wrote:
> Why Can't you just do this with your E-Mail program?  You know the message

It's brain dead. Pine on a unix box (that way I can read my mail from
anywhere in the world via telnet, and not have to worry about a web cafe's
config, or where my mail got stored).

> is always going to be from PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

Yes, I realize that.

> Subjects are really trival and there is alot of room for people to mess with
> that.

But they CAN'T mess with the [tag] since the listserver reinserts it if
it's missing.

You guys go to the trouble of putting in [OT], so whats so difficult about
having a [PIC] all the time? I've seen threads on this list which were also
happening on another, at the same time (BCD conversion). Luckily the other
list had a [tag] so that it was easier to tell them apart.

> Just create a filter based on the E-Mail to field.  Eudora can do it.
> Outlook Express can do it.  Put it in its own folder and viola.

MicroSolth OS's. shudder...

I simply mention this because of the 30 odd lists I'm on, this is one of
the very few that -doesn't- supply a subject tag. It makes it much harder
to sort by eye. So what's the objection? Refinement is bad? I'm not the
only one sorting by eye. It's not like you guys USE the full subject line
width, or bother to change them when the topic changes.

Just my 3c worth (2c US).


Robert

2000\01\03@154346 by Mike Werner

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Robert Rolf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Darren King wrote:
> > Why Can't you just do this with your E-Mail program?  You know the message
>
> It's brain dead. Pine on a unix box (that way I can read my mail from
> anywhere in the world via telnet, and not have to worry about a web cafe's
> config, or where my mail got stored).

man procmail
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ICQ# 12934898                 |  "As far from Redmond as possible!"
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2000\01\03@164652 by Mark Willis
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Suggested this, Jory voted no, Oh well.  It'd be [PICList] anyways, not
[PIC], if we turned that on in the listserver.

 Mark

Robert Rolf wrote:
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2000\01\03@165520 by Mike Werner

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Mark Willis wrote:
>
> Suggested this, Jory voted no, Oh well.  It'd be [PICList] anyways, not
> [PIC], if we turned that on in the listserver.

Actually, it'd be [PICLIST].  And each individual can turn it on if they
really want that feature.  I did and that's how it's now showing up in the
subject line.  In the future I'll probably edit it back out of the subject
line.  I'm quickly becoming somewhat amazed at just how much each user can
configure for their individual account on the server.
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Mike Werner  KA8YSD           |  "Where do you want to go today?"
ICQ# 12934898                 |  "As far from Redmond as possible!"
'91 GS500E                    |
Morgantown WV                 |  Only dead fish go with the flow.

2000\01\03@172454 by Quitt, Walter

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*Mark Willis wrote:
*>
*> Suggested this, Jory voted no, Oh well.  It'd be [PICList] anyways,
not
*> [PIC], if we turned that on in the listserver.
*
*Actually, it'd be [PICLIST].  And each individual can turn it on if
they
*really want that feature.  I did and that's how it's now showing up in
the
*subject line.
*

IT IS?

2000\01\03@173101 by Mike Werner

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"Quitt, Walter" wrote:
>
> *Mark Willis wrote:
> *>
> *> Suggested this, Jory voted no, Oh well.  It'd be [PICList] anyways,
> not
> *> [PIC], if we turned that on in the listserver.
> *
> *Actually, it'd be [PICLIST].  And each individual can turn it on if
> they
> *really want that feature.  I did and that's how it's now showing up in
> the
> *subject line.
> *
>
> IT IS?

I thought it would.  Is it not showing up for you?  If not, then even better.
That would mean the server is picking it back out.  As I am typing this reply
in Netscape, the subject line reads:
Re: [PICLIST] Subject sort tag
If the [PICLIST] part is not showing up for you, then the server must be
removing it.  If that is indeed the case, then the server software is smarter
than I thought it was.
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Mike Werner  KA8YSD           |  "Where do you want to go today?"
ICQ# 12934898                 |  "As far from Redmond as possible!"
'91 GS500E                    |
Morgantown WV                 |  Only dead fish go with the flow.

2000\01\03@173738 by Quitt, Walter

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Nope, nada...No [PICLIST]   -W WA6FEC

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Werner [EraseMEreznaeousspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTEARTHLINK.NET]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 2:30 PM
To: PICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Subject sort tag


"Quitt, Walter" wrote:
>
> *Mark Willis wrote:
> *>
> *> Suggested this, Jory voted no, Oh well.  It'd be [PICList] anyways,
> not
> *> [PIC], if we turned that on in the listserver.
> *
> *Actually, it'd be [PICLIST].  And each individual can turn it on if
> they
> *really want that feature.  I did and that's how it's now showing up
in
> the
> *subject line.
> *
>
> IT IS?

I thought it would.  Is it not showing up for you?  If not, then even
better.
That would mean the server is picking it back out.  As I am typing this
reply
in Netscape, the subject line reads:
Re: [PICLIST] Subject sort tag
If the [PICLIST] part is not showing up for you, then the server must be
removing it.  If that is indeed the case, then the server software is
smarter
than I thought it was.
--
Mike Werner  KA8YSD           |  "Where do you want to go today?"
ICQ# 12934898                 |  "As far from Redmond as possible!"
'91 GS500E                    |
Morgantown WV                 |  Only dead fish go with the flow.

2000\01\03@195218 by quozl

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On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 03:42:15PM -0500, Mike Werner wrote:
> man procmail

All it took for me was to add these lines to my ~/.procmailrc file

:0
* ^To:.*@spam@PICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
/home/me/PIClist

And as a result all mail to the PIClist was pre-sorted into a folder.

Then I have an alias to run my mail reader against that folder.

I do not believe such functionality should be part of a mail reader.

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James Cameron   KILLspamquozlKILLspamspamus.netrek.org   http://quozl.us.netrek.org/

2000\01\04@054920 by paulb

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Robert Rolf wrote:

> You guys go to the trouble of putting in [OT], so whats so difficult
> about having a [PIC] all the time?

 Because [OT] is efficient.  It's called "exception" flagging.  Adding
superfluous data to *every* message is not.  Many/ most of us are
efficiency hounds.  That's why we don't want dork trailers to tell
people who probably don't read trailers anyway, how to unsubscribe.

 The *main* problem I have with those tags being a great nuisance is
that if a reply is sent prefixed "Re:", then the server prefixes the
"Re:" with the tag.

 Since the mailreader groups mail prefixed "Re:" with otherwise
identical topics without that prefix, this function is defeated by the
tag and whilst the tagged mail is viewed as a subject group, replies are
separated from originals.

 Intelligent programs it seems, can group mail automatically by
"Resent-from" so the messages are sufficient without extra subject
baggage.
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 Cheers,
       Paul B.

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