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'Scenix'
1997\10\14@060549 by Mike Smith

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To any who haven't noticed, and are interested, the Scenix technical /
programming specs have gone up recently on
<ftp://ftp.scenix.com/public_html/sx_datasheet.pdf> or at
<http://www.scenix.com/sx/sx_info.html>

It has a few gaps at this stage, but looks promising!  (esp the references
to flat mode)

MikeS
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1997\10\15@172651 by WF AUTOMA‚̀O

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Hello

       I have a old system running with the PIC16C84. I would like to
add more instructions but it don't have more Program Space (only 4
bytes).
       I see that SCENIX SX have 2K and it's pin compatible with
PIC16C84.
       Will my PIC16C84 program run on SCENIX? Will i get success if i
use the C54 option of my Universal Programmer, to program the SCENIX?

       Thanks!

       Miguel Alexandre Wisintainer
       BRASIL

1997\10\15@191008 by Bob Lunn

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Bob Lunn
10/16/97 09:07 AM


> I see that SCENIX SX have 2K and it's pin compatible with
> PIC16C84. Will my PIC16C84 program run on SCENIX?  Will i
> get success if i use the C54 option of my Universal Programmer,
> to program the SCENIX?
    The scenix chips can run ALL code for ALL pics with
    equal alacrity.

    Likewise, the scenix chips can be programmed by ANY
    pic programmer.

___bOB

(I love the smell of vapourware in the morning)

1997\10\15@191115 by Bob Lunn

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Bob Lunn
10/16/97 09:12 AM


> (I love the smell of vapourware in the morning)

    On reflection, I do note that Scenix demonstrated
    working chips at ESC West.  So I suppose that vapour
    is rapidly condensing!

___Bob

1997\10\15@192513 by Pierce Nichols

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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Bob Lunn wrote:

>      On reflection, I do note that Scenix demonstrated
>      working chips at ESC West.  So I suppose that vapour
>      is rapidly condensing!

       According to their website, they are shipping them. Last I
checked, you can't get shipping containers for vapour :).

       Pierce Nichols

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       -Bob, RAW Construction Corp.

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1997\10\15@202205 by Bob Lunn

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Bob Lunn
10/16/97 10:22 AM


> According to their website, they are shipping them.

    Well, your eyes must be better than mine.

    Perhaps you can give me the url.

    From the web site I find two things:

    1.   Volume shipments to begin late Q4 '97.

         Feedback on this list from ESC West suggested
         this had slipped to at least Q1 '98 (but no
         surprise in that).

    2.   Parallax have a development system, and this
         ships with two sample SX chips.

         Great :)

         Go to the Parallax site and, yes, lots of talk
         about the 'SX Key Development System' including
         a price of $249.

         But, this system is not on the official price
         list, nor included explicitly on the official
         order form.

         So...  if I order it will it come?

    It seems sensible, therefore, to ask the list: has
    anybody ordered and received any SX chips from Scenix;
    and, has anybody order and received a development
    system for SX chips from Parallax?

___Bob

1997\10\15@225107 by Andrew Warren

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WF AUTOMA_AO <.....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> Will my PIC16C84 program run on SCENIX?

   Not without changes.  The preliminary data sheet will give you
   an idea of what sort of changes you'll need to make.

> Will i get success if i use the C54 option of my Universal
> Programmer, to program the SCENIX?

   No; the SX chips require a totally different serial programming
   algorithm.

   -Andy

=== Andrew Warren - fastfwdspamKILLspamix.netcom.com
=== Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California
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1997\10\16@004648 by Antti Lukats

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[snip]
>> Will i get success if i use the C54 option of my Universal
>> Programmer, to program the SCENIX?
>
>    No; the SX chips require a totally different serial programming
>    algorithm.
>
>    -Andy

not exactly correct - the 'incomplete sx datasheet' from scenix website
indicates that 12 I/O pins are 'instruction bits' during regular
programming mode and also indicates that either MCLR or OSC1 can be VPP
those making possible that the SX is programmable in any PIC programmer
that can program PIC 5X series in Parallel mode. Well this is what we
think can be decided according to the current datasheets.

antti


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1997\10\16@033124 by William Chops Westfield

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I bet if you're currently using 50,000 or more PICs a year, you could get
sample scenix chips right about now.  The rest of us will have to wait for
the next rev of silicon (at least.)  That's pretty much standard and
appropriate.

BillW

1997\10\16@040507 by Bob Lunn

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Bob Lunn
10/16/97 06:06 PM


> I bet if you're currently using 50,000 or more PICs
> a year, you could get sample scenix chips right about
> now.  The rest of us will have to wait for the next
> rev of silicon (at least.)  That's pretty much standard
> and appropriate.

    Sure is.  But making pre-production runs
    available to key customers is NOT shipping
    product.

___Bob

1997\10\16@041949 by William Chops Westfield
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    Sure is.  But making pre-production runs
    available to key customers is NOT shipping product.

Oh, I agree completely.  And don't forget the Intel Flash Fiasco of 92 (?),
either.  (Intel was shipping their "new" 8Mbit flash parts off a small,
semi-production fab line, drumming up great demand.  They moved the
production to a bug fab, and it stopped working.  All the world could get
was the too small quantities coming off the little fab (if it was even still
going.)  This was not nearly enough.  It was a very unpleasant time - I
personally had a product out there where we paid extra for the "flash" slot,
and we never were able to put anything in it...)

BillW

1997\10\16@050434 by Andrew Warren

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I wrote:

> > the SX chips require a totally different serial programming
> > algorithm [than the PIC16C54].

and Antti Lukats <.....PICLISTKILLspamspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> replied:

> not exactly correct - the 'incomplete sx datasheet' from scenix
> website indicates that 12 I/O pins are 'instruction bits' during
> regular programming mode and also indicates that either MCLR or OSC1
> can be VPP those making possible that the SX is programmable in any
> PIC programmer that can program PIC 5X series in Parallel mode.

   Thanks for the correction, Antti... I didn't realize that the SX
   chips supported "regular" parallel programming in addition to
   the new "in-system" serial programming mode.

   Guess I should have read the ENTIRE data sheet...

   -Andy

=== Andrew Warren - EraseMEfastfwdspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTix.netcom.com
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1997\10\16@072957 by Mike Smith

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-----Original Message-----
From: WF AUTOMA‚ÌO <wfspamspam_OUTAMBIENTE.COM.BR>
To: @spam@PICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU <KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, 16 October 1997 6:58
Subject: SCENIX


>Hello
>
>        I have a old system running with the PIC16C84. I would like to
>add more instructions but it don't have more Program Space (only 4
>bytes).
>        I see that SCENIX SX have 2K and it's pin compatible with
>PIC16C84.


So it won't catch fire.  I'd check the peripherals / pins.

>        Will my PIC16C84 program run on SCENIX? Will i get success if i

Run?  If it runs on Pic it should scream on Scenix!
You won't run a 14bit core on a 12 bit core, though.  It'll need
reassembling (to gain additional benefits, too)


>use the C54 option of my Universal Programmer, to program the SCENIX?

The Scenix uses in circuit programming - go with it.  Parallaxx are making a
cheap development kit - I'd say when ppl get hold of the chip you'll see
plenty of programmer devices.

MikeS
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1997\10\16@083019 by Mike Smith

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-----Original Message-----
From: Pierce Nichols <spamBeGonepn30spamBeGonespamCOLUMBIA.EDU>
To: TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU <RemoveMEPICLISTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, 16 October 1997 8:57
Subject: Re: SCENIX


>On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Bob Lunn wrote:
>
>>      On reflection, I do note that Scenix demonstrated
>>      working chips at ESC West.  So I suppose that vapour
>>      is rapidly condensing!
>
>        According to their website, they are shipping them. Last I
>checked, you can't get shipping containers for vapour :).


Cylinders?

MikeS
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1997\10\16@195454 by Bob Lunn

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Bob Lunn
10/17/97 09:56 AM


> I didn't realize that the SX chips supported "regular"
> parallel programming in addition to the new "in-system"
> serial programming mode.

    Actually, looking at the data sheet (such as it is),
    Scenix have put a lot of effort into allowing their
    chips to be configured as PIC clones.

    I certainly understand why they've done this, but
    I'm not sure that the compatibility barnacles are
    worth it.

___Bob

1997\10\20@161443 by Bryson, William G (Bill)

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>     It seems sensible, therefore, to ask the list: has
>     anybody ordered and received any SX chips from Scenix;
>     and, has anybody order and received a development
>     system for SX chips from Parallax?

I ordered one but haven't yet received it.  They definitely are
taking orders.  They also indicated a low cost $95 (???) BASIC
compiler with all the fancy routines indicated in the Electronics
Design article.  That one should work with this KEY product.  Hopefully
a full ICE and breakpoint capabilities with variable displays?  They
indicated to me that compiler would require the KEY product to
work and they were shooting 1st QTR 98.  When I get one I'll
let you guys know.....

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'Scenix'
1999\02\26@100037 by Philippe
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Hi,

Virtual Micro Design is pleased to anounce a new UMPS library
is available for SCENIX microcontroller.
UMPS demo version is available at:

       http://www.vmdesign.com

Regards,
       Philippe TECHER.

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