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2000\04\23@175146 by Ben R.

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<x-flowed>Why does it seem that no one uses the PICSTART Plus programmer from
Microchip? All I see is e-mails concerning third-party programmers. Did I
make a mistake I should know about when I purchased my PICSTART Plus
programmer? You guys are starting to worry me.

                                   -Ben
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2000\04\23@181422 by Dwayne Reid

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<x-flowed>At 02:50 PM 4/23/00 -0700, Ben R. wrote:
>Why does it seem that no one uses the PICSTART Plus programmer from
>Microchip? All I see is e-mails concerning third-party programmers. Did I
>make a mistake I should know about when I purchased my PICSTART Plus
>programmer? You guys are starting to worry me.

I don't think so!  Everyone who has a PicStart Plus just uses it and have
no problems with it, except for the occasional time one has to update the
firmware.

I am guessing that most piclisters use the PS+ or other professionally
produced programmer.  You don't hear about their problems because they just
don't have any!

dwayne



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2000\04\23@181902 by andy howard

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From: "Ben R." <.....ben_r_KILLspamspam@spam@HOTMAIL.COM>


> Why does it seem that no one uses the PICSTART Plus programmer from
> Microchip? All I see is e-mails concerning third-party programmers.
Did I
> make a mistake I should know about when I purchased my PICSTART Plus
> programmer? You guys are starting to worry me.

No, you didn't make a mistake in the sense you mean. It certainly isn't
the case that no-one uses the PICStart+. There was some discussion of
programmers here a couple of months back and several people recommended
it.

I think the reason you see so many postings about other programmers is
that they are almost all asking for help to make them work, either with
a particular PIC or sometimes to work at all.
PICStart postings seem to be almost entirely to do with upgrading
earlier models' firmware.

The many other programmers mentioned here have the chief advantage of
being very cheap to build. If you just want to buy a programmer that you
know will work with all current (and probably future) PICs without any
effort then the PICStart+ is quite a good choice. That's what I went for
and I have no regrets. It seems to be well supported by Microchip and
works straight out of the box. The downside is that you pay for that
convenience.

If you're programming in a commercial environment the cost is not much
compared with your time. For a hobbyist or student the equation works
differently, the cost of building and debugging is low and the
satisfaction/fun/learning from doing it yourself is quite a benefit too.


















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2000\04\23@204643 by Richard Clemens

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I have eight of the PICSTART Plus units and find they are all excellent.
Since I teach a course that uses PIC chips as the object for assembly
programming it is essential to have a device that works and works well.  I
have never had a problem with any of the units.

--
Rich Clemens
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2000\04\23@210330 by Josh Koffman

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> Why does it seem that no one uses the PICSTART Plus programmer from
> Microchip? All I see is e-mails concerning third-party programmers. Did I
> make a mistake I should know about when I purchased my PICSTART Plus
> programmer? You guys are starting to worry me.


Ben,

Worry not! I only wish I had a PICSTART Plus. The problem is money. I
can't afford the hundreds of dollars for one (starving student and all).
If I had the money, that is the first programmer I would buy. So
remember, don't worry, you made a very wise choice!

Josh Koffman
.....joshyKILLspamspam.....mb.sympatico.ca

P.S. Should anyone wish to donate a PICSTART Plus to me...feel free to
email me :))

2000\04\24@002332 by Jim Robertson

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At 04:07 PM 4/23/00 -0600, you wrote:
>At 02:50 PM 4/23/00 -0700, Ben R. wrote:
>>Why does it seem that no one uses the PICSTART Plus programmer from
>>Microchip? All I see is e-mails concerning third-party programmers. Did I
>>make a mistake I should know about when I purchased my PICSTART Plus
>>programmer? You guys are starting to worry me.
>
>I am guessing that most piclisters use the PS+ or other professionally
>produced programmer.  You don't hear about their problems because they just
>don't have any!
>
>dwayne

This is exactly correct. There are lots of piclisters using my WARP-13 and
they no they do not have to hassle everyone else on the list if they have
a (rare) problem. The same applies to other built and tested 3rd party
programmers, epic, picwriter etc.

If you have the dollars the picstart plus is the best low to mid range
programmer. If you want something almost as good at under half the price ask
around for satisfied customers, not problems posted on the piclist.


Regards,

Jim Robertson
NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS
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2000\04\24@105238 by M. Adam Davis

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You did not make a mistake.  The PICStart plus is one of the very few
programmers which you don't have to tweak, integrates seamlessly into MPLAB,
supports every PIC *before* it comes into production, is free to upgrade, etc,
etc.

Sometimes you can get a rep to sell you one for less than the usual $199, as
well.  (does digikey still sell the mechatronics kit?  It was only $149 and came
with a picstart plus, and a cool 8 LED ping pong game.  It was never listed in
their catalog...)

-Adam

"Ben R." wrote:
>
> Why does it seem that no one uses the PICSTART Plus programmer from
> Microchip? All I see is e-mails concerning third-party programmers. Did I
> make a mistake I should know about when I purchased my PICSTART Plus
> programmer? You guys are starting to worry me.
>
>                                     -Ben
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2000\04\24@120948 by jamesnewton

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You can get one for $150 including a seminar. Look under "seminars" on the
http://buy.microchip.com
website.

Couple of notes about this site:
A) It is not reliable.
B) It is slow
<BIG ONE>
C) Although it doesn't say this anywhere that I have seen, you must be
"logged in" to view the products!
</BIG ONE>
D) Don't forget your log in password as the "email me my password" feature
does not function.
E) Don't expect the webmaster to respond to any communication on your part.
I have a request for a link to piclist.com that is several months old and a
few "this part of you web site isn't working" posts that apparently haven't
been got around to either.

I you want to sign up for a seminar, you might want to email
eventsspamspam_OUTmail.microchip.com or call the sales line at 408-436-7950

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James Newton (PICList Admin #3)
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PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org

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2000\04\25@122727 by jamesnewton

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I just found a better number for registering for Microchip seminars:
800-437-2767 currently menu option 2 is for Seminar Registration.

I'll be at the Aug 9th Seminar in Rancho Bernardo, in case anyone wants to
shoot a list admin <GRIN>

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James Newton (PICList Admin #3)
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PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org

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2000\04\25@123726 by Quitt, Walter

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Not to worry.  I use a PIC Start+ most of the time.
I use an ALL-11 (via Tribal Microsystems) for production.
There are alot of people who want to roll their own.
They have problems.  The only "problem" the PIC Start+
has is that it does not verify with hi and lo Vcc limits.
The PIC Start+ works just fine.

The traffic comes because of people having problems with
the roll your own programmers.  It is like that with I2C
also.  People have problems so they post about them.  I
use SPI and it works well and hence you see few posts
about that serial interface.

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