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'QWBASIC or QBASIC??'
1998\12\22@114003 by Kat Lee

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Hi, people,

Somebody (I can't remember who) told me to use QWBASIC for a PIC project
that I am undertaking. Is QWBASIC similar to QBASIC or what?
I can't seem to find any sites or books on QWBASIC and I'm beginning to
suspect that it is a typo.

Is there anybody out there with information on this particular
programming language (QWBASIC)?

Thanks in advance.

Kat.

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1998\12\22@124418 by Osama ALASSIRY

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older machines came with GW-BASIC , it was replaced by QBASIC in DOS 5.0 afaik

At 16:38 22/12/98 , you wrote:
>Hi, people,
>
>Somebody (I can't remember who) told me to use QWBASIC for a PIC project
>that I am undertaking. Is QWBASIC similar to QBASIC or what?
>I can't seem to find any sites or books on QWBASIC and I'm beginning to
>suspect that it is a typo.
>
>Is there anybody out there with information on this particular
>programming language (QWBASIC)?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Kat.
>
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1998\12\22@165101 by Darren Logan

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Why use these antiques, when there's Visual Basic.

Darren

1998\12\22@175917 by James Cameron

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Darren Logan wrote:
> Why use these antiques, when there's Visual Basic.

Darren, I'm glad you asked.  Many people don't know why, so here is a
summary of reasons why I might choose such a path ...

- low cost,
- less processing required,
- less memory required,
- does not have a dependency on Windows,
- can be run under plain DOS within 640k,
- runs fine on a 386/25,
- runs fine on an 8088/10,
- has reproducible responsiveness under DOS (no multi-tasking delays),
- allows re-use of old machinery,
- less code paths to test,
- well known and respectable code,
- no recent features/bugs added,
- energy efficient,
- can execute under a DOS emulator,
- is more compliant with the BASIC language specification, and
- can be used by moderately physically disabled people because it
doesn't need a mouse.

If your engineering situation meets those requirements, you're all set!

According to an in-house expert, MS-DOS versions 2 and 3 had GWBASIC,
versions 4 and 5 didn't have a basic, version 6 had QBASIC, the latest
"real" version of QBASIC was 4.5, and there was a cut-down interpreted
only version of QBASIC later.

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1998\12\22@180545 by Osama ALASSIRY

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Why use Basic at all?

At 21:49 22/12/98 , you wrote:
>Why use these antiques, when there's Visual Basic.
>
>Darren
>
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1998\12\22@181416 by Darren Logan

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Just trying to move you along sir.

1998\12\22@203556 by Scott Shidel...

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On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Darren Logan wrote:

> Why use these antiques, when there's Visual Basic.
>
Some things are easier on GWBasic..especially if you are very familiar
with it and havent done much VB, like me.

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1998\12\22@235715 by James Cameron

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Darren Logan wrote:
> Just trying to move you along sir.

Ah.  That's dangerous.  Consider me a luddite, but I have my reasons.

In my study into the risks of computing over the years, I have found
most failures associated with technology to be due to the push for
features and new versions.  See http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks

This is one of the reasons I like the PIC range; they are very old and
very stable devices.  Compared to more recent devices.  Microchip
doesn't seem to be releasing things as fast as many other silicon
fabricators, and that seems good to me as well.

I wonder at your motivation for moving me along ... I suspect either;

a) you care sufficiently that you wish me to be effective, and you
firmly believe that using recent technology makes one more effective
than using old technology.

b) you have lost your knowledge of old technology and gained knowledge
of recent technology to the point where you feel unable to provide any
input ... and wish to steer the conversation to the areas in which you
can contribute.

[grin with a wink]  ;-)

I can argue against an (a), but I have no wish to fight a (b).

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1998\12\23@005036 by William Chops Westfield

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Dean Enge, he say:  There are two kinds of fools.  One says "this is old,
and therefore good", and the other says "This is new, and therefore better."

BillW

1998\12\23@040828 by Gerry Cox

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Subject: QWBASIC or QBASIC??


Hi, people,

Somebody (I can't remember who) told me to use QWBASIC for a PIC project
that I am undertaking. Is QWBASIC similar to QBASIC or what?
I can't seem to find any sites or books on QWBASIC and I'm beginning to
suspect that it is a typo.

Is there anybody out there with information on this particular
programming language (QWBASIC)?

Thanks in advance.

Kat.

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1998\12\23@040842 by Gerry Cox

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Probably is a typo.
Try GWBASIC.EXE (It means GEE WIZ Basic. It used to be provided with earlier
copies of MSDOS, pre v.4.0 I think.

Regards,
Gerry Cox
Weymouth (U.K.)

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1998\12\23@041907 by Eric Borcherding

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James

I agree with the QBASIC 4.5 list you presented.    Sometimes a
program does not have to be the latest and greatest.   In its day
V4.5 was a marvel.

1998\12\23@064747 by Caisson

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> Onderwerp: Re: QWBASIC or QBASIC??
> Datum: dinsdag 22 december 1998 22:49
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> Why use these antiques, when there's Visual Basic.

I could start a "my product is beter than your product" over this <g>, but
normally it grinds down to the users/programmers preference.  Next to that
: Win?? is not the preferred OS for some of us. again, preference.

Uhhh ... Win95 died _again_ on me this morning.  And I did not even kick it
..  Try guessing what _my_ preference is ;-)

Greetz,
 Rudy Wieser

1998\12\23@163030 by Martin McCormick

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James Cameron writes:
>Darren, I'm glad you asked.  Many people don't know why, so here is a
>summary of reasons why I might choose such a path ...
>
>- low cost,
>- less processing required,
>- less memory required,
>- does not have a dependency on Windows,

and several other very good points.  I don't have any great love for
old technology, but I do believe in efficiency and usefulness.
Today's hardware is fabulous compared with just 5 or 10 years ago and
it needs to be to run the bloated and inefficient Windows code.  Also,
Windows only pretends to make things easier.  Just try hooking up a
Windows system to a speech synthesizer for general access to
off-the-shelf software and see how far you don't get.  Believe me, I
know what I am talking about on this one.  It is living proof that you
can do very well with a technically bad product if you market it right
and it sort of works.  You can bet your next blue screen of death on
that.

Martin McCormick

1998\12\23@233410 by Scott Shidel...

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On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Eric Borcherding wrote:

> James
>
> I agree with the QBASIC 4.5 list you presented.    Sometimes a
> program does not have to be the latest and greatest.   In its day
> V4.5 was a marvel.
>
if anyone wants QBASIC 4.0, I got quite a few copies that was unopened in
the trash last week. Since they are unopened, and apparantly paid for
already, there would be no restriction on me emailing the program to as
many people as I have copies..
The total size is about 1.5 meg.
it actually looks like a cool program.  It wil compile your basic program
to run as a standalone EXE, similar to VB.  That cannot be done in GWBASIC
I dont think.


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1998\12\23@235837 by hmiller

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Scott Shidel... wrote:
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Scott

I would like a copy of the QBASIC program if you have any left.

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1998\12\24@205531 by Mark A Moss

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On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:49:53 EST Darren Logan <RemoveMEDAZLOGANspamTakeThisOuTAOL.COM> writes:
>Why use these antiques, when there's Visual Basic.

Why use a PIC16C54 when a Pentium II is newer and much more powerful? :*)

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1998\12\24@221051 by Nick Axel

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Scott Shidel... wrote:

> if anyone wants QBASIC 4.0, I got quite a few copies that was unopened in
> the trash last week. Since they are unopened, and apparantly paid for
> already, there would be no restriction on me emailing the program to as
> many people as I have copies..
> The total size is about 1.5 meg.
> it actually looks like a cool program.  It wil compile your basic program
> to run as a standalone EXE, similar to VB.  That cannot be done in GWBASIC
> I dont think.

Dear Scott,
I am interested in your offer. If you have any copy left, please send it to
me.
Thank you in advance.

Kind regards,

Nickolas Axelos

1998\12\25@021619 by Kat Lee

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Hello Scott,
Do you mind sending me a copy of the QBASIC too at cileekatEraseMEspam.....hotmail.com?

Thanks in advance.

Kat

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1998\12\26@012514 by paulb

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Hello Scott.

> if anyone wants QBASIC 4.0, I got quite a few copies that was unopened
> in the trash last week. Since they are unopened, and apparantly paid
> for already, there would be no restriction on me emailing the program
> to as many people as I have copies..

 Mmm, I feel more legal when I have the original disk, serial numbered
package, and even a nice paper book!  Unfortunately, that costs money to
post!

> The total size is about 1.5 meg.

 That much is no problem, but what physical size are they?

> It will compile your basic program to run as a standalone EXE, similar
> to VB.  That cannot be done in GWBASIC I dont think.

 Certainly not.
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       Paul B.

1998\12\26@024027 by Scott Shidel...

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On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:

> Hello Scott.
>
> > if anyone wants QBASIC 4.0, I got quite a few copies that was unopened
> > in the trash last week. Since they are unopened, and apparantly paid
> > for already, there would be no restriction on me emailing the program
> > to as many people as I have copies..
>
>   Mmm, I feel more legal when I have the original disk, serial numbered
> package, and even a nice paper book!  Unfortunately, that costs money to
> post!
>
Well, 2 things..
One, ya dont have to worry aobut the legality of it anymore since I am
out..Three were about 15 copies I estimated, and thats what I sent out to
people.  So..Im out
Second.  One of  the people i sent the file to was saying he heard
directly from Microsoft that if you legally own a current version of a
program, that you can run older versions of it for free.  Since QBasic
came on DOS 6.22, that means that as long as you are running 6.22 or
higher you can have this prgram anyhow.
At anyrate, approximately 15 more ppl have that program now..Im sure one
of them wont have any qualms aobut sending it to you.


> > The total size is about 1.5 meg.
>
>   That much is no problem, but what physical size are they?
>

I was mistaken..the total zip is only aobut 385K.


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1998\12\26@063054 by Osama ALASSIRY

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At 07:38 26/12/98 , you wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
>Second.  One of  the people i sent the file to was saying he heard
>directly from Microsoft that if you legally own a current version of a
>program, that you can run older versions of it for free.  Since QBasic
>came on DOS 6.22, that means that as long as you are running 6.22 or
>higher you can have this prgram anyhow.

QBasic that comes with DOS is different than the commercial QuickBasic:
Qbasic=No compiler,  some instructions missing
QuickBasic=Compiler, Full instruction set

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1998\12\28@092116 by Dr. Imre Bartfai

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On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Gerry Cox wrote:

> Probably is a typo.
> Try GWBASIC.EXE (It means GEE WIZ Basic. It used to be provided with earlier
> copies of MSDOS, pre v.4.0 I think.

Hi folks,

do you know what GEE WIZ means? It spells: Gates William

Regards,
Imre

>
> Regards,
> Gerry Cox
> Weymouth (U.K.)
>
> {Original Message removed}

1998\12\28@092121 by Dr. Imre Bartfai

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On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, William Chops Westfield wrote:

> Dean Enge, he say:  There are two kinds of fools.  One says "this is old,
> and therefore good", and the other says "This is new, and therefore better."
>
> BillW

And there is a third one. He says: "everything is bad".
JFF.

Imre

1998\12\28@115128 by D. F. Welch

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At 01:06 PM 12/23/98 +0100, you wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Gerry Cox wrote:
>
>> Probably is a typo.
>> Try GWBASIC.EXE (It means GEE WIZ Basic. It used to be provided with
earlier
>> copies of MSDOS, pre v.4.0 I think.
>
>Hi folks,
>
>do you know what GEE WIZ means? It spells: Gates William
>
>Regards,
>Imre

Actually GWBASIC is named after George Washington University
where it was developed.

Lets not give Gates any credit here,
he didn't do it.

-Dan

>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gerry Cox
>> Weymouth (U.K.)
>>
>> {Original Message removed}

1998\12\29@120226 by John Payson

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|Why use Basic at all?

There are times when it's convenient to have a single file
which holds both the source code to a program and an "executable
form" [since QBasic can read and run the source directly].  By
contrast, if I write a program in C that means, at minimum, I'll
have FOO.C, FOO.OBJ, and FOO.EXE.

Beyond that, though, I'm no real fan of BASIC; one embedded system
I'll be doing (client is supplying hardware and language) will be
using someone's version of interpreted BASIC on a 586-133 micro.
While there are many cases where interpreted BASIC's speed is not
an issue, something inside me wants to cringe at the thought of
spending $$$$ for a 586-133 that will then be held in check by a
BASIC interpreter [oh yeah, this version of BASIC likes line numbers
too...]

1998\12\30@114554 by Gary Chung

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Dear Scott

Would appreciate if you could email a copy to me.

TIA
Gary


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1998\12\30@121936 by Keith Causey

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Yes Scott, I would like one too. Thanks, Keith Causey
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'QWBASIC or QBASIC??'
1999\01\02@022424 by Hanafi Tanudjaja
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Can any body send or direct me to an example prog in basic which at certain
part of it,it take a simple
prog which is written in assembler.

TIA
Hanafi

1999\01\02@053750 by ose Antonio Gracia Negre

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part 0 1461 bytes content-type:text/plainHanafi Tanudjaja escribi—:

> Can any body send or direct me to an example prog in basic which at certain
> part of it,it take a simple
> prog which is written in assembler.
>
> TIA
> Hanafi

Send a program to spy on bus I2C by the parallel port, that uses a routine
in                assembler for scroll horizontal.

(Altavista Traslations)

Execute:
       QB /L MUEVE.QLB /RUN ESPIA.BAS
       or
       QB /L MUEVE.QLB
       and soon to read the file from file -> open

       QB = QuickBASIC  vers. 4.5
       MUEVE.ASM    copiled MASM 5.0    - > MUEVE.QLB
                           MASM MUEVE/Z;
                           LINK /Q MUEVE,,,BQLB45.LIB
If you need but information and you support to ALTAVISTA TRANSLATION
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   Jose Antonio Gracia

Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Mueve.qlb"
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Mueve.qlb"

Attachment converted: wonderland:Mueve.qlb (????/----) (00024F8B)
Content-Type: application/x-unknown-content-type-VisualBasic.Module; name="espia"
..bas"
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="espia.bas"

Attachment converted: wonderland:espia.bas (????/----) (00024F8C)
Content-Type: application/x-unknown-content-type-asm_auto_file; name="mueve.asm"
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="mueve.asm"

Attachment converted: wonderland:mueve.asm (????/----) (00024F8D)

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