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1999\11\11@143959 by Michael Melinosky

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So the serial port programmer was giving me too much troubles....

I'm looking to build a parallel port F84 programmer is easy and simple to use.  I tried out a serial port programmer that turned out to be too much hassle (Mike M was right :) ) and decided that I should try something different instead.  I don't have a lot of experience with pics so I'm kinda looking for a simplier interface.  I was wondering if anybody could recommend one that they might have started with.  

Thanks for all the help.

Mike  

1999\11\11@154651 by Don McKenzie

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Michael Melinosky wrote:
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> So the serial port programmer was giving me too much troubles....
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> I'm looking to build a parallel port F84 programmer is easy and simple to use.
 I tried out a serial port programmer that turned out to be too much hassle (Mi
ke M was right :) ) and decided that I should try something different instead.
I don't have a lot of experience with pics so I'm kinda looking for a simplier i
nterface.  I was wondering if anybody could recommend one that they might have s
tarted with.

Below is a list of some programmer Programmer Kits available, but I
would like to point out that anyone is welcome to use the schematics to
build their own programmer, and free software is available on-line to
burn the 84 family.

DT001 SimmStick Programmer Kit.
As well as being a full PICmicro development platform, this programmer
has a 4PDT switch which allows you to program a PIC16C/F84 in a
SimmStick and run the program straight away. Yes, a load and go
operation. This means you don't have to move the PIC16F84 chip from the
programmer to a target board as they are one and the same. LOAD/RUN.
Straight away!! Hey, we can even do it now with the new all flash
PIC16F877 40 pin chips. And you don't need a SimmStick, as you are able
to use this principle with your own target board.
http://www.dontronics.com/pickaxe.html
http://www.dontronics.com/dt001.html
http://www.dontronics.com/dt101.html
http://www.dontronics.com/dt106.html

DIY KIT-119 Serial PIC Programmer.
This 8, and 18 pin PICmicro programmer Kit runs off the Parallel Printer
Port of a PC.
http://www.dontronics.com/diyk96.html

DIY KIT-96 Serial PIC Programmer.
This 8, 18, 28 & 40 pin PICmicro programmer Kit runs off the Parallel
Printer Port of a PC.
http://www.dontronics.com/diyk96.html

P16PRO Software Registration for the above three kits. (PIC16F84
software is free)
http://www.dontronics.com/p16pro.html

DIY KIT-117 KIT.  PICALL Serial PIC Programmer.
This 8, 18, 28 & 40 pin PICmicro programmer Kit runs off the Parallel
Printer Port of a PC,  programs the PIC16C54, PIC16C55, PIC16C56,
PIC16C57, and the PIC16C58, as well as all other PICmicro chips in the
PIC16PRO range. It includes a programmed chip, and no software
registration is required. As well as the vast range of PICmicro devices,
the PICALL hardware kit can also program ATMEL AVR micros AT90S12000,
AT90S2313, AT90S4414 and AT90S8515's.
http://www.dontronics.com/picall.html

Don McKenzie  spam_OUTdonTakeThisOuTspamdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com

Don's Download Dungeon:   http://www.dontronics.com/download.html
World's Largest Range of Atmel and PICmicro Hardware and Software

1999\11\12@061134 by Dave

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Michael,

Any of the following PIC Programmers should do quite nicely:

1). David Tait's TOPIC programmer (  topic03.zip [128k]  ).
  www.labyrinth.net.au/~donmck/dtait/topic03.zip
Unfortunately David Tait no longer supports it, but many folk have his pages
up.  Eg. at:  http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~donmck/dtait/index.html

2). Michael A. Covington's NO Parts Pic Programmer (NOPPP)
  http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/noppp/index.html    (well documented)
His NOPPP is also in Electronics Now (EN September 1998).

3). Myke Predko's ElCheapo Pic Programmer (well documented)
      http://www.rentron.com/Myke4.htm

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Several of the others are very good too, and you'll probably want to check
out Nigel Goodwin's software and S.G.Willis's circuit as well.

Nigel Goodwin Programmer (1996)   File: PIC84PGM.ZIP.
  ( Prg: PICPROG.EXE.  CFG files allow inv/non-inv buffer  & 4066/pnp
circuit options, so it's configurable to work with  D.Tait, Don McKenzie,
S.G.Willis and other's boards. Disassembler provided too.)(Worth grabbing to
check out!)
  http://www.lpilsley.demon.co.uk/
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S.G.Willis Programmer (1995)  'PP87'
(Cct: Pp87word.doc.    Uses 7406.  Di, Do, Ck, Prg, Rst=pulldown)
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Robert Spur - Analog Design Specialists has a programmer design.
   (Cct: 00589A.PDF, Prg: AN589.ZIP containing ADS_1ST.CPP)
Have a look at  http://www.microchip.com
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The first programmer I built was Derren Crome's design, as in Everyday &
Practical Electronics magazine (EPE Feb 1996, EPE March 1998) because it was
so simple,
and their was a lot of tutorial info about it in EPE.
The  programmer ( SEND.EXE ) was designed to program .OBJ assembled by
TASM. (Not to be confused with the commercial TASM).
Included is David Tait's HEX2OBJ converter, for those wishing to use MPASM
assembled .HEX with D. Crome's SEND.EXE, and also a version of SEND
called SENDHEX.EXE to do so directly.
And Nigel Goodwin did include a version with the EPE design to convert
binary .OBJ back to TASM assembly (EEDISASM.EXE).
EPE also ran a whole series of articles introducing programming the PIC
16x84.
(See EPE & their PICTutor at http://epemag.wimborne.co.uk )


Then I made one of David Taits programmers, but I replaced part of his power
supply section with a modification of the charge pump from Charles Mannings
design.
This was to reduce the voltage requirement of the programmer. (Combination
of best features :)

More recently I got into Atmel's AT89C2051 for myself, and also AT89C8252.

Now I'm interested in the PIC 12C508/509A which would suit some of my
projects,
and wanted to use my spare 16F84's to develop for the '508.

Then I discovered Talking Electronics had a web site up,
at  http://www.pipeline.com.au/users/talking/default.htm  and provides just
such a kit for the beginner. (I'll be asking the list about this myself
after exams :)
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Charles Manning's articles are in Electronics Australia magazine.
(EA November 1995 (intro to PIC),  EA April 1996 (programmer cct), EA May
1996 (example application circuit).  (Uses: 7405)
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Steve Marchant (EA)
   (Cct: PROG84.PDF, Prg: PP84.EXE. Target-cct & i/f: PIC84.pdf)
Note that Steve Marchant claims software compatability
with Robert Spur's 00589A.pdf hardware design.
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About David Tait's PIC Programmers:
1994 - 'BASIC Programmer'      File: PIC84PGM.ZIP    (Cct: PP.ASC, Prg:
PP.EXE.  Used 7406, 4066) .   1995 - 'SIMPLE Programmer'   File:
PIC84ART.ZIP     (Cct: ppschem.pcx.    Used NPN transistors)
1996 - 'CLASSIC Programmer'      File: PIC84V04.ZIP  (Cct: PP.PCX, Prg:
PP.EXE  Used 7407)
1996 - 'TOPIC Programmer'  File: TOPIC03.ZIP   (Cct: TOPICLOW.GIF,
Prg:TOPIC.EXE.   Uses 7406)


With a few considerations, In-System Programming is easy to achieve.
EEPROM Programming Specifications in  30189D.PDF,
and ICSP details in: 31028A.PDF  (on MicroChips website
http://www.microchip.com ).

The following programmers are ISP compatable:
- David Tait's TOPIC,  - Robert Spur's 00589A.PDF,
-  Steve Marchant's PROG84.PDF,  - Derren Crome's programmer,
- and a few more.
With a few design details of the target circuit (eg, jumpered /MCLR pullup),
most
non-ICSP Programmers could be made to work In-System. Watch where the power
comes from.


Other Programmers:
- Ken Segler.  File: Pgm16cxx.zip,  Configurable to use Tait or Reiss's
hardware or your own.
- Mark J. Cox  File: BLOWPIC.ZIP. (1994) Very simple ascii circuit, and asm
source code)
   (Cct: in BLOWPIC.ASM, Prg: BLOWPIC.COM) (LPT)
- Andrew M. Errington, 1995. File: PROG84B.ZIP. Windows VB programmer, using
the
   circuit described in Microchip's Application Note AN589.
- Jens D. Madsen  File: JDM.ZIP. (Cct: newpic0.gif, Prg: pgm84v28.zip.
Serial.)
   ( http://www.ozemail.com.au/~cyendle/psx/pcb2.html )
- Stephen M. Nolan,  1996. File: PICBAS.ZIP. (Prg: DOWNLOAD.EXE) incl. BASIC
Source.
- Russ Reiss


Some of the buffer chips used in some of the programmers:
- 7404: Inverting TTL buffer.
- 7405: Inverting Open Collector buffer,
- 7406: Inverting Open Collector buffer, collector can handle pullup to 30V.
(Compare 7416)
- 7407: Non-Inverting Open Collector buffer, collector can handle pullup to
30V. (see 7417)
   The 7404,7405 7406, 7407, (& 7416, 7417) all have the same pinout:
   In pin-1 & Out pin-2, In pin-3 & Out pin-4, In pin-5 & Out pin-6, pin-7
to Ground,
   In pin-8 & Out pin-9, In pin-10 & Out pin-11, In pin-12 & Out pin-13,
pin-14 to +5V.

And a few general links:
- PICmicro WebRing  http://members.tripod.com/~mdileo/pmring.html
- PICList FAQ:            http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/piclist.html
- PIC Archives:           http://come.to/thepicarchive
- PICList Archives:    http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/
- Hints and tips Notebook:
http://websites.ntl.com/~matthew.rowe/micros/virbook/index.htm


Any corrections or comments appreciated.

</David_Vandenberg>
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1999\11\12@224214 by netquake

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> So the serial port programmer was giving me too much troubles....
>
> I'm looking to build a parallel port F84 programmer is easy and simple to use.
 I tried out a serial port programmer that turned out to be too much hassle (Mi
ke M was right :) ) and decided that I sh>
> Thanks for all the help.
>
> Mike
>
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