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1996\10\06@002406 by Alex I. Torres

Hi All! Why in "production quality" programmers it's nesessary to variate Vpp from 12 to 14V ? Variate Vdd - is a classic, but Vpp ? Best Wishes, Alex Torres. Kharkov, Ukraine, exUSSR. E-Mail To : spam_OUTaltorTakeThisOuTcook.kharkov.ua via InterNet or 2:461/28 via FidoNet --- GoldED 2.50.A0531+ * Origin: Future Hardware, (0572)32-31-62 (2:461/28)

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1998\11\03@224116 by jamesp

Andrew, I don't know why you had any trouble with finding a programmer at DIGI-KEY. I just called up their web page and went right to it. It goes by Digikey part # DV003001-ND. Cost is $199.00 + Shipping. They have 460 units available and it appears on page 144. Called the PicStart Plus by Microchip of Arizona. Hope this helps you out. Regards, Jim

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1999\04\08@192307 by Tony Nixon

Hi all, The recent discussions about multipurpose programmers got me thinking last night. I came up with this really cool idea, (I think so anyway), that should easily allow programming of just about any programmable device. Eprom, Eeprom, Flash, Micros, Dallas bits and pieces, digital pots, etc. The protocols used such as SPI, I2C, parallel, PIC serial etc. don't matter that much either. I doubt that you can cater for all these devices hardware wise on a single programmer board, and you probably don't need to. I think modularization is the way to go here. Hoever, that aside, my idea is to provide a generic programmer engine that can easily generate just about any programming algorithm. I've already sifted through most of the details needed to do this and it's so simple it probably won't work. To match the simplicity of the device (PIC based of course, with 3 other garden variety chips), I hope to have a command line type of interface to get it working. Actually, I hate to say it, but the engine is probably best suited to a different type of processor. It would then be a 2 chip and faster solution. I don't want to spill too many beans yet. It's been my experience that some of the simplest projects turn out to be a nightmare when it comes to turning them into reality, so I may have egg on my face yet. I think it's an exciting concept though. Best regards Tony

1999\04\08@205938 by Bernhard Kraft

Hi, I also thougt about such a kind of programmer, cause i need to program pics, eeproms and serial eproms. I own a picstart plus programmer so i have no problem with serial programmable devices (pic-like) but i couldn't program parallel eproms, eeproms. I thought about a kind of programmer with a 40-pin ZIP-socket where you could apply one of 3 adjustable voltages to every pin required according to the programming alogirthm. So it could be possible, it think, to programm every (40-pin or less) device anybody could think of. the hardware wouldn't be a very big problem, but the software and some kind of inc-files in which programing algorithms, for every device which should be programmed, are stored. So i think : Would it be wron to start some kind of GNU-Programmer project (I'm from the linux side of the pc world :=) ) - any suggestions, interests ? Kraft Bernhard HTL Mšdling Austria On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Tony Nixon wrote: {Quote hidden}>Hi all, > >The recent discussions about multipurpose programmers got me thinking last >night. I came up with this really cool idea, (I think so anyway), that >should easily allow programming of just about any programmable device. > >Eprom, Eeprom, Flash, Micros, Dallas bits and pieces, digital pots, etc. >The protocols used such as SPI, I2C, parallel, PIC serial etc. don't matter >that much either. > >I doubt that you can cater for all these devices hardware wise on a single >programmer board, and you probably don't need to. I think modularization is >the way to go here. > >Hoever, that aside, my idea is to provide a generic programmer engine that >can easily generate just about any programming algorithm. I've already >sifted through most of the details needed to do this and it's so simple it >probably won't work. > >To match the simplicity of the device (PIC based of course, with 3 other >garden variety chips), I hope to have a command line type of interface to >get it working. Actually, I hate to say it, but the engine is probably best >suited to a different type of processor. It would then be a 2 chip and >faster solution. > >I don't want to spill too many beans yet. It's been my experience that some >of the simplest projects turn out to be a nightmare when it comes to >turning them into reality, so I may have egg on my face yet. I think it's >an exciting concept though. > >Best regards > >Tony >

1999\04\08@211619 by Scott Dattalo

On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Bernhard Kraft wrote: > Hi, > > I also thougt about such a kind of programmer, cause i need to program > pics, eeproms and serial eproms. I own a picstart plus programmer so i > have no problem with serial programmable devices (pic-like) but i couldn't > program parallel eproms, eeproms. > > I thought about a kind of programmer with a 40-pin ZIP-socket where you > could apply one of 3 adjustable voltages to every pin required according > to the programming alogirthm. So it could be possible, it think, to > programm every (40-pin or less) device anybody could think of. the > hardware wouldn't be a very big problem, but the software and some kind of > inc-files in which programing algorithms, for every device which should be > programmed, are stored. > > So i think : Would it be wron to start some kind of GNU-Programmer project > (I'm from the linux side of the pc world :=) ) > - any suggestions, interests ? Bernard You might try floating this idea on the GNUPIC mailing list. However, if you want this project to succeed then you're most probably going to have to lead it. Jim Robertson's opinions of GNU and device programmers may be misguided, but are basically true. (Paraphrasing: there are too many Linux wankers and wannabes...) I'll give my opinions on the GNUPIC mailing list where the S/N ratio is about 100. If you're not a subscriber already, check out: http://reality.sgi.com/jamesb/gnupic/ for subscription instructions. BTW, I'm from the linux side too. Oh, one question; How do you use the picstart plus programmer on the Linux side? :) Scott

1999\04\08@213049 by Tony Nixon

> I also thougt about such a kind of programmer, cause i need to program > pics, eeproms and serial eproms. >I thought about a kind of programmer with a 40-pin ZIP-socket where you I just started work on an EPROM programmer addon for PicNPoke, but this new idea of mine may make that programmer obsolete :-( so I don't think I will continue for now. > So i think : Would it be wron to start some kind of GNU-Programmer GNU is a very powerful concept, and I'm sure it would help with the hardware side of things because of the variations. I'm fairly certain that the hardware for the engine and software side of things will be a cinch. I've already started writing it, so I'll soon find out. Regards Tony

1999\04\09@101652 by Bernhard Kraft

On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Scott Dattalo wrote: > >Bernard > >You might try floating this idea on the GNUPIC mailing list. However, if >you want this project to succeed then you're most probably going to have >to lead it. Jim Robertson's opinions of GNU and device programmers may be >misguided, but are basically true. (Paraphrasing: there are too many Linux >wankers and wannabes...) > > >Oh, one question; How do you use the picstart plus programmer on the Linux >side? :) > I tried to get MPLAB running under linux using wine. I could start it and assemble programs but I couldn't download programs to the PIC using the picstart plus programer. This is because a few specific functions for serial communication aren't implemented in wine. I asked on the wine mailing list if anybody is implementing those functions but they told me that at the moment nobody is doing this. Pherhaps somebody of the wine developers will do this in the future. Kraft Bernhard

1999\04\12@145309 by tefan Ranguelov

Hi folks ! Bernhard Kraft wrote: > > So i think : Would it be wron to start some kind of GNU-Programmer project > (I'm from the linux side of the pc world :=) ) > - any suggestions, interests ? Some times ago i was also thinking of a universal programmer for EPROM, EEPROM, PIC, ATMEL, SCENIX and other chips. In general it should be driven by a microcontroller (a PIC , its OT! ;-), connected to the PC with a serial RS232 interface (to be able to control it on all operating systems) and have 40 free confirable I/O pins on a 40 pin ZIF socket. Every pin must be able to be configurated as : - input - output - GND - Vprogram - Vsupply - clock (? iirc some micros need a crystal in programming mode) - generate pulses of exact length The programming voltage Vprogram and maybe the supply Voltage should be controlled by a DAC. The 'bright' part of my idea was to design the hardware, write the software for the microcontroller and some functions for the PC side for easy setting pins, group pins to a bus, generate pulses and so on... Then put the whole API (in C or in C++) with some docs on the internet and hope that different people will implement the programming algorithms for different parts on top of this API. So you will get a free aviable, easy to build universal programmer with a hopefully big library of supported parts and the ability of adding new parts. The problem i see is a treat off between an easy design and universality. It is possible to make a programme witch will handle all devices, but at some point it will get to big and complicated and bying a ready-made programmer will be the better choice. Most newer devices support in-system programming with a rel. simple programming devices, reducing the need of a big universal programmer. If someone is interested, i may write down some more thoughts about how such a project could be organized, requirements for the programmer, how to build it and how the software interface should look like. Stefan

1999\04\28@020726 by Harry Febianto

Hi all, Do you know where I can get PIC programmer, especially for PIC 16C54,55,64,71,84 and PIC 16F84. I am interested to p16F84 programmer as well. I am in Indonesia. And how much is it for each type of PIC . Regards, Harry

1999\04\28@025959 by Tony Nixon

Hi Harry, See the web site below. -- Best regards Tony PicNPoke - Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools. http://www.picnpoke.com Email .....picnpokeKILLspam@spam@cdi.com.au

1999\04\28@053317 by kypros.vassiliou

Harry Febianto wrote: > > Hi all, > > Do you know where I can get PIC programmer, especially for PIC > 16C54,55,64,71,84 and PIC 16F84. I am interested to p16F84 programmer as > well. I am in Indonesia. > And how much is it for each type of PIC . > > Regards, > Harry Hi Harry, Try the Leading Edge Technologies at HTTP://LET.cambs.net/ Regards Kypros

1999\04\28@125001 by Jeff Barlow

Harry Febianto wrote: > > Hi all, > > Do you know where I can get PIC programmer, especially for PIC > 16C54,55,64,71,84 and PIC 16F84. I am interested to p16F84 programmer as > well. I am in Indonesia. > And how much is it for each type of PIC . > > Regards, > Harry Try NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS PIC PROGRAMMER at http://www.pipeline.com.au/users/newfound/

1999\04\29@012311 by w. v. ooijen / f. hanneman

> Do you know where I can get PIC programmer, especially for PIC > 16C54,55,64,71,84 and PIC 16F84. I am interested to p16F84 programmer as If building is also an option there are many many 16f84 programmer designs on the web. Mine is at http://www.xs4all.nl/~wf/wouter/pic/wisp Wouter.

1999\04\29@232252 by netquake

> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:59:03 +0700 > From: Harry Febianto <harryfKILLspamIBM.NET> > Subject: Programmer > Hi all, > > Do you know where I can get PIC programmer, especially for PIC > 16C54,55,64,71,84 and PIC 16F84. I am interested to p16F84 programmer as > well. I am in Indonesia. > And how much is it for each type of PIC . > > Regards, > Harry > > Hi...Take a look at http://virtuaweb.com/picprog if you want to do it yourself. ------------------------------------ netQ <.....netquakeKILLspam.....innocent.com> http://virtuaweb.com/picprog "Home of amateur PIC programmers..." -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzV38BkAAAEEALfWv9j3f+tZ+z2IW+2o9Ebx4bUGnHjHPqIe0a6yVKawaeV/ Y4I6L2/A0ddbVMG8+qJ0MvHNkr3DzYkpW+hTl9zAzXkKBdZ3GA5bbvot7entl/O2 YDtRWUV730koxBo5iFFUbJH5kbmkox+h3znj34zPnZNWzNaqOAwol3wABfBNAAUT tBxOZXRRIDxuZXRxdWFrZUBpbm5vY2VudC5jb20+ =0bVU -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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1999\08\24@213059 by Tony Nixon

Hi all, Just spreading a bit of excitement. I just rewrote PicNPro's PIC programming algorithm and it can now program and verify 16C74's in just under 8 seconds. I reckon that's not too bad considering it's over the serial port at 19200 baud, and running under Win95 :-) Now, the hard part. Updating the entire source code. -- Best regards Tony http://www.picnpoke.com Email EraseMEsalesspam_OUTTakeThisOuTpicnpoke.com

1999\08\24@220821 by Dennis Plunkett

At 11:25 25/08/99 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Just spreading a bit of excitement. > >I just rewrote PicNPro's PIC programming algorithm and it can now >program and verify 16C74's in just under 8 seconds. I reckon that's not >too bad considering it's over the serial port at 19200 baud, and running >under Win95 :-) > >Now, the hard part. Updating the entire source code. > Tony, you have too much time on your hands Dennis

1999\08\24@230327 by Tony Nixon

Dennis Plunkett wrote: > Tony, you have too much time on your hands I don't know about that. I think I'll need to clone myself soon. I'm glad my missus is an understanding person or I'd be divorced by now. PS It figures, I had to add some house keeping to the Windows software and now it takes about 10 seconds to program a 74. Thats with max 25 programming pulses and 3 X N over programming enabled. Still, I suppose for a serial port it's not too bad. I just did a rough read routine and it does it in about 5 secs, so the programmer should be able to do an upper-normal-lower voltage program/verify in about 20 secs for a 4K part. Actually, mucking around with the serial port and communicating between a PIC and Windows, gave me an idea for a bit of experimenters software..... -- Best regards Tony http://www.picnpoke.com Email salesspam_OUTpicnpoke.com

1999\08\24@235912 by Tjaart van der Walt

Dennis Plunkett wrote: > > At 11:25 25/08/99 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >Just spreading a bit of excitement. > > > >I just rewrote PicNPro's PIC programming algorithm and it can now > >program and verify 16C74's in just under 8 seconds. I reckon that's not > >too bad considering it's over the serial port at 19200 baud, and running > >under Win95 :-) > > > >Now, the hard part. Updating the entire source code. > > > > Tony, you have too much time on your hands Yeah, but at least he doesn't do what Andy does when he has 15 minutes spare... :*O (Hi Andy!) -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt

1999\08\25@101310 by Andy Kunz

>Yeah, but at least he doesn't do what Andy does when he >has 15 minutes spare... :*O (Hi Andy!) Which Andy? :-{) (I have a moustache now - another week or two and the caterpillar comes off again) Andy ================================================================== Andy Kunz Life is what we do to prepare for Eternity ------------------------------------------------------------------ @spam@andyKILLspamrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats KILLspamandyKILLspammontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

1999\08\25@101942 by Eric Oliver

Ouch !! ROTFL ! Not laughing at you Andy .. I'm laughing with you. Eric On Tuesday, August 24, 1999 11:08 PM, Tjaart van der Walt [SMTP:RemoveMEtjaartTakeThisOuTCELLPT.CO .ZA] wrote: {Quote hidden}> Dennis Plunkett wrote: > > > > At 11:25 25/08/99 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > > > >Just spreading a bit of excitement. > > > > > >I just rewrote PicNPro's PIC programming algorithm and it can now > > >program and verify 16C74's in just under 8 seconds. I reckon that's not > > >too bad considering it's over the serial port at 19200 baud, and running > > >under Win95 :-) > > > > > >Now, the hard part. Updating the entire source code. > > > > > > > Tony, you have too much time on your hands > > Yeah, but at least he doesn't do what Andy does when he > has 15 minutes spare... :*O (Hi Andy!) > > -- > Friendly Regards > > Tjaart van der Walt

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1999\10\29@025412 by PSL

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1999\10\29@034230 by Don McKenzie

> PSL wrote: > > Hello people > > i am wondering whether it is possible to build a programmer and use > MPLAB to program. > If any one have experience in this please knidly drop me a mail > thanks > > regards I think there are a few options here, even with cheap programmers, but you will need to get some gear from Jim at Newfound to do it, unless you get a Picstart+ Click on 'links' from any page of mine to find the Newfound home page. Don McKenzie spamBeGonedonspamBeGonedontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com

1999\10\29@145611 by camerlin

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x-html> Hi,
If you are wanting to program the 16F84 or 16C84 there is a schematic of a programmer that works fine with MPLAB. I've tried it myself.
Here's the link
http://www.m indspring.com/~covington/noppp/#KIT
If you want a programmer to most of microchips PIC's then there is a programmer that costs about $60.00 US that is a good deal. I don't have the link right now but if you want it I can find it for you no problem. Just e-mail me off-line some time.

Chris Camerlin

PSL wrote:

Hello people i am wondering whether it is possible to build a programmer and use MPLAB to program.If any one have experience in this please knidly drop me a mailthanks regards

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2000\04\14@114009 by Giles

I am needing a good programmer, anyone have a used EMP-20 they want to sell? I am also looking for a cheep pic programmer if ( I can't find a EMP-20) will ask that later.. Best regards, Giles

2000\04\14@122143 by - KITS EDUCACIONAIS NACIONAIS

I have used the EMP20 since 1994...may i help you? (and i have paid for all family module and pin adapters! :( ) All, +-U$5000,00 Miguel Miguel Giles wrote: > > I am needing a good programmer, anyone have a used EMP-20 they want to sell? > I am also looking for a cheep pic programmer if ( I can't find a EMP-20) > will ask that later.. > > Best regards, > Giles

2000\04\14@160557 by Giles

Miguel, Sorry to say, your price seems a little out of my reach. But thanks for the offer. (every module and adapter, you must program the world...) Programmers don't seem to be on EBAY very often. Perhaps I will break down and buy a new one. (what a concept) Best regards, Giles {Original Message removed}

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