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2000\04\27@144638 by Octavio Nogueira

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> I think what the ProMate does is:
> 1) program all but the code protect
> 2) Verify Ho and Lo
> 3) if it verifies, then program the code protect.
> 4) Verify Code protected (Ho and Lo?)
>
> FWIW, I've had one production burn failure in two years, (I assume it
> was truely a bad die), and no PICs that verify but didn't work.
>
> -Barry

ProPic 2 Gold does the same thing.
By the way, has anyone been called by Microchip lately,
saying you are using Microchip trademarks by using PIC name?
I mean picpoint site, picprog programmer, etc?
We received a fax telling us we can not use ProPic 2
name anymore because PIC is a trademark of Microchip.

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
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2000\04\27@152734 by Quitt, Walter

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PICk_ur_nose has PIC in it.
Does that mean I can't have a product so named?
I think I can!

-W

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From: Octavio Nogueira [.....nogueiraKILLspamspam@spam@AJATO.COM.BR]
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 11:43 AM
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ProPic 2 Gold does the same thing.
By the way, has anyone been called by Microchip lately,
saying you are using Microchip trademarks by using PIC name?
I mean picpoint site, picprog programmer, etc?
We received a fax telling us we can not use ProPic 2
name anymore because PIC is a trademark of Microchip.

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
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From: Barry King <EraseMEbarryspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTNRGSYSTEMS.COM>
To: <PICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Production vs. Development programmers


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2000\04\27@154154 by Octavio Nogueira

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> PICk_ur_nose has PIC in it.
> Does that mean I can't have a product so named?
> I think I can!
>
> -W

Yes, I think the same way but Microchip don't think so,
they are saying you can not use it.

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
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From: Quitt, Walter <KILLspamwquittKILLspamspamMICROJOIN.COM>
To: <RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Production vs. Development programmers and trademarks


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2000\04\27@155052 by smerchock, Steve

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Octavio,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I remember reading somewhere that MICROCHIP had to drop the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>use of &quot;PIC&quot; in Germany because somebody else had it as a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>trademark. They are full of crap. They must not have anything better</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to do than to go after the &quot;little guy&quot; seeing that all there</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>made up lawsuits against Scenix and everyone else ends up</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>slapping them in the face. Maybe they're getting nervous that your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>programmer could compete with theirs. Or is better and that just plain</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>makes them mad ;-)&nbsp; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>No worries......</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Best regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Steve</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Steven Kosmerchock</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Radio Frequency Systems</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Phoenix&nbsp; AZ&nbsp; USA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>http://www.rfsworld.com</FONT>
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2000\04\27@160320 by Dan Michaels

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At 04:39 PM 4/27/00 -0300, you wrote:
>> PICk_ur_nose has PIC in it.
>> Does that mean I can't have a product so named?
>> I think I can!
>>
>> -W
>
>Yes, I think the same way but Microchip don't think so,
>they are saying you can not use it.
>
>Friendly Regards
>
>Octavio Nogueira

I think the trademark laws would only apply to products
in the same general area of the economy. Semiconductor/computer
technology in this case, like Octavio's.

And, I am sure your nosePICk, Walter, would get a nasty
letter from WaterPICk. On and on.

[I am not a lawyer, but I watch them on TV - NOT!!]

2000\04\27@160738 by Quitt, Walter

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But it is not in the same industry as a tooth cleaner! :-) :-)

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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 1:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Production vs. Development programmers and trademarks


At 04:39 PM 4/27/00 -0300, you wrote:
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I think the trademark laws would only apply to products
in the same general area of the economy. Semiconductor/computer
technology in this case, like Octavio's.

And, I am sure your nosePICk, Walter, would get a nasty
letter from WaterPICk. On and on.

[I am not a lawyer, but I watch them on TV - NOT!!]

2000\04\27@164320 by Robert Wuest

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"Quitt, Walter" wrote:
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> But it is not in the same industry as a tooth cleaner! :-) :-)

Sure it is.  They're both personal hygiene products :)


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2000\04\27@165119 by l.allen

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> made up lawsuits against Scenix and everyone else ends up
> slapping them in the face. Maybe they're getting nervous that your
> programmer could compete with theirs. Or is better and that just plain
> makes them mad ;-)
>
> No worries......

There is a remote national park here in NZ where there a
stunningly beautiful natural area called the Hollyford.
We are talking about a very remote site.
There is a small shop for the convenience of
visitors/tourists called the Hollyford Tearooms... been
there about as long as the mountains.
They recently were slapped with a threat of being sued for
a bizillion dollars for infringing Planet Hollywoods
trademark and had to change their name.

I personally will never go to Planet Hollywood now.

Love dem lawyers  (choke).

I wonder if I happen look like a certain star do I have to
have plastic surgery to look different?
_____________________________

Lance Allen
Technical Officer
Uni of Auckland
Psych Dept
New Zealand

http://www.psych.auckland.ac.nz

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2000\04\27@180224 by Mike Morris

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<x-flowed>This type of action by Microchip is pretty short sighted. They are in the
business of producing  "microchips". They sell programmers expressly for
the purpose of supporting their core business. To start slapping around
smaller businesses that produce products that directly support Microchip's
core business is pretty foolish IMHO.

The term PIC is a well known term for referring to cool little
microcontrollers. Having a product that is specifically designed to work
with PIC chips *should* have the word PIC in it.  You would think Microchip
would *pay* people to use that term in their products since it directly
supports/proliferates/advertises Microchip's product line! I'm willing to
bet that the revenue from the sale of Microchip's programmers is
insignificant. I'm also willing to bet the low cost alternative 3rd party
programmers that include the word 'PIC' in the name contribute
significantly to their revenue. They provide not only low entry costs for
development tools, thereby making it easy to try PIC solutions, but by
simply spreading the 'PIC' name and showing how widely supported
Microchip's products are.

- Mike

At 04:39 PM 4/27/2000 -0300, you wrote:
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> > {Original Message removed}

2000\04\27@205955 by Tony Nixon

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Octavio Nogueira wrote:
>
> > PICk_ur_nose has PIC in it.
> > Does that mean I can't have a product so named?
> > I think I can!
> >
> > -W
>
> Yes, I think the same way but Microchip don't think so,
> they are saying you can not use it.


They are saying that they 'prefer' you didn't use product descriptions
with the word 'PIC' as part of the name, which I gather, is thier way of
trying to preserve the integrity of the name - PICmicro(TM).

--
Best regards

Tony

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2000\04\28@022026 by Dan Michaels

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Walter Quitt wrote:
>But it is not in the same industry as a tooth cleaner! :-) :-)
......
>I think the trademark laws would only apply to products
>in the same general area of the economy. Semiconductor/computer
>technology in this case, like Octavio's.
>
>And, I am sure your nosePICk, Walter, would get a nasty
>letter from WaterPICk. On and on.

[oh lord, I shouldn't be doing this - but it's late].

To re-iterate: "... same general area of the economy ...",
or maybe "anatomy" in this case. Personal hygiene. WaterPICk
would certainly figure you were trying to horn in on their
brand name. I think it goes to sponging off someone else's
brand name by confusing the products in the minds of the
customers.

2000\04\28@072838 by Andrew Kunz

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Let's hope not for adults, anyway.

But I teach a lot of little kids in our Sunday School, and I'm fully qualified
to report that nose & teeth cleaners are in fact quite closely related.  Usually
they clean the nose with it first, then clean it on their teeth.  It's known as
a finger.

Andy









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But it is not in the same industry as a tooth cleaner! :-) :-)

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2000\04\28@092830 by paulb

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Tony Nixon wrote:

> They are saying that they 'prefer' you didn't use product descriptions
> with the word 'PIC' as part of the name, which I gather, is thier way
> of trying to preserve the integrity of the name - PICmicro(TM).

 OK, you *you're* the next victim then, are you not?
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 Cheers,
       Paul B.

2000\04\28@095122 by Alan B Pearce

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I guess this makes the Goon Show a prime victim (for those who do not know the
Goon Show, it was a popular radio comedy show of the 50's and 60's, which had a
certain gentleman who would say "pic, pic, picky" every show)

2000\04\28@230055 by steve

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> They are saying that they 'prefer' you didn't use product descriptions
> with the word 'PIC' as part of the name, which I gather, is thier way
> of trying to preserve the integrity of the name - PICmicro(TM).

Does that mean they'd prefer you used product descriptions with 'AVR'
as part of the name ?
:-)

Steve.


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