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1997\07\28@204730 by Martin R. Green

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Sorry to clutter up the bandwidth like this.

I seem to be having trouble posting to this list from the office via
Microsoft Exchange (I am posting this message via my personal ISP POP3
account).

All my postings from Exchange are arriving with body text in MIME
format, making it awkward for most people to read them (at first glance
it looks like there is no body text).  Is anyone else posting to this
list via Microsoft Exchange?  If so, how did you get it to send plain
text in the body?

Again, sorry for the off topic posting, but can anyone help me, PLEASE!


Martin R. Green
spam_OUTmrgreenTakeThisOuTspambigfoot.com

1997\07\30@125938 by Joost Kooij

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On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Martin R. Green wrote:

> All my postings from Exchange are arriving with body text in MIME
> format, making it awkward for most people to read them (at first glance
> it looks like there is no body text).  Is anyone else posting to this
> list via Microsoft Exchange?  If so, how did you get it to send plain
> text in the body?

In the menu "extra" choose "services"
Select "internet mail" and click on properties
Click on "Message format"
Unselect the mime option.


Joost

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Microsoft: "What do you want to spend today?"

1997\07\30@132542 by Mike

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At 06:43 PM 7/30/97 +0200, you wrote:
>In the menu "extra" choose "services"
>Select "internet mail" and click on properties
>Click on "Message format"
>Unselect the mime option.
>
>Joost

Then convert to the sqrt(-1)  ;-)

Microsoft: "What shall we extract from you today?"

rgds :)

Mike

1997\07\30@145004 by John Payson

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> On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Martin R. Green wrote:
> In the menu "extra" choose "services"
> Select "internet mail" and click on properties
> Click on "Message format"
> Unselect the mime option.

Note too that if you have a different type font selected for displaying
messages and creating new ones (the former seems "stuck" on Arial--ugh!)
then editing any line which contains old text (so that line now contains
two different fonts) will make Exchange generate WINMAIL.DAT regardless
of how your options are set.  My advice: use Pegasus mailer (I don't have
the URL handy, but AltaVista should find it no prob).  I switched and have
never looked back.

PS--I know this isn't really PicList related, but there are enough people
generating bogus WINMAIL.DAT's I think a post to the list is probably a good
idea.

1997\07\30@160230 by Reginald Neale

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John Payson said:

>
>PS--I know this isn't really PicList related, but there are enough people
>generating bogus WINMAIL.DAT's I think a post to the list is probably a good
>idea.

Amen. I'm using a Mac, these things are totally, totally useless to me and
they just clutter up my screen until they are thrown away.

1997\07\30@162912 by Ian Cameron

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> Note too that if you have a different type font selected for displaying
> messages and creating new ones (the former seems "stuck" on Arial--ugh!)
> then editing any line which contains old text (so that line now contains
> two different fonts) will make Exchange generate WINMAIL.DAT regardless
> of how your options are set.  My advice: use Pegasus mailer (I don't have
> the URL handy, but AltaVista should find it no prob).  I switched and have
> never looked back.

Yuk, I knew there was a reason I was avoiding micro$oft mailers...

I use Pegasus mail too, and find it to be excellent.  You can get it
from:

ftp://ftp.let.rug.nl/pegasus/

That's the European site, I think there is a US one as well.

> PS--I know this isn't really PicList related, but there are enough people
> generating bogus WINMAIL.DAT's I think a post to the list is probably a good
> idea.

Humm, I just set up procmail to send any messages with font
extensions to /dev/null ! - And that also goes for messages sent in
HTML, or worse (but only just) messages sent as plain text and HTML.

Oh well, as Harry Hill would say, "you've got to have a system".

Cheers, Ian.

1997\07\30@193118 by John Payson

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> > Note too that if you have a different type font selected for displaying
> > messages and creating new ones (the former seems "stuck" on Arial--ugh!)
> > then editing any line which contains old text (so that line now contains
> > two different fonts) will make Exchange generate WINMAIL.DAT regardless
> > of how your options are set.  My advice: use Pegasus mailer (I don't have
> > the URL handy, but AltaVista should find it no prob).  I switched and have
> > never looked back.
>
> Yuk, I knew there was a reason I was avoiding micro$oft mailers...

Yeah... both of those behaviorisms are truly befuddling IMHO.  It's not as
though Internet mail is exactly a "new thing".

On the other hand, I'll admit that Pegasus' editor is also at times annoy-
ing.  For example, I've been trying to figure out a good way to:

-1- Disable line-wrap for certain lines, or at least manage to create lines
   longer than the line-wrap limit.  While I generally like to keep my
   mails less than 76 char's/line, sometimes tables and such really do need
   the full 79.  Can't do it under Pegasus, though.

-2- Cut and paste text with leading tabs.  Pegasus seems to convert them to
   spaces (for code fragments, tabs are much more convenient than spaces;
   I'm generally careful to format my code so tab stops of either 4 or 8
   will work decently).

-3- Handle decently lines with varying margins, such as this four-point list.
   Pegasus seems to wrap things all over the place; PC-Write 2.5 did much
   better (later versions of PC-Write allow you to embed ruler lines within
   the text; earlier ones would try to judge the left margin by the text that
   was there.  Right margin still had to be set by hand but could be changed
   very easily).

-4- Use two spaces after periods without having to worry about whether Pegasus
   will wrap an extra space onto the next line.  PC-Write will simply let
   extra spaces remain at the end of the previous line (which seems to work
   pretty well).

Any good workarounds for those that you know of?

> Humm, I just set up procmail to send any messages with font
> extensions to /dev/null ! - And that also goes for messages sent in
> HTML, or worse (but only just) messages sent as plain text and HTML.

Do you go after full-body HTML ones, or anything with embedded HTML?  I know
some people like to use pseudo-HTML to emphasise text in otherwise non-HTML
documents (personally, I prefer /italic/, *BOLD*, ~superscript~, and
_underlined_ but that's just my taste.)

1997\07\30@222343 by Mike Smith

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---Original Message-----
From: Reginald Neale <.....nealeKILLspamspam@spam@SERVTECH.COM>
To: PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU <.....PICLISTKILLspamspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, 31 July 1997 05:34
Subject: Re: Problems posting to PICLIST with Microsoft Exchange



>John Payson said:
>
>>
>>PS--I know this isn't really PicList related, but there are enough people
>>generating bogus WINMAIL.DAT's I think a post to the list is probably a
good
>>idea.
>
>Amen. I'm using a Mac, these things are totally, totally useless to me and
>they just clutter up my screen until they are thrown away.
>

As a possible offender, how about telling those who generate them that they
are?  We can't see them, and, speaking personally, I've been stuffing around
with s-mime stuff recently.  AFAIK you have to invoke it explicitly...

On another subject, are more ppl seeing their arrive 'blank'  with a
straight text attachment containing the body?

MikeS
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1997\07\31@071941 by Ian Cameron

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> Yeah... both of those behaviorisms are truly befuddling IMHO.  It's not as
> though Internet mail is exactly a "new thing".

It is to micro$oft :)

> On the other hand, I'll admit that Pegasus' editor is also at times annoy-
> ing.  For example, I've been trying to figure out a good way to:

I would agree that the editor has a few niggling problems.

> -1- Disable line-wrap for certain lines, or at least manage to create lines
>     longer than the line-wrap limit.  While I generally like to keep my
>     mails less than 76 char's/line, sometimes tables and such really do need
>     the full 79.  Can't do it under Pegasus, though.

You can sort of get around this by adjusting the wrap point under the
special tab, and then adjusting it back afterwards.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
| This | is | a | test | table | which | is | wider | than | 80 | characters |
(just) |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

It's not an ideal solution since it needs to be set about right, if
it's too long then in the example above the beginning of the second
line would wrap around to the end of the first line.

> -2- Cut and paste text with leading tabs.  Pegasus seems to convert them to
>     spaces (for code fragments, tabs are much more convenient than spaces;
>     I'm generally careful to format my code so tab stops of either 4 or 8
>     will work decently).

I have never noticed this before, because I have not really had to
copy code in and out of Pegasus.  I just tested it though, and the
tabs seemed to be retained when copying into the editor from notepad,
and when copying from the reader into notepad.  The tabs also seem to
be retained when doing cut/copy paste within the editor.

> -3- Handle decently lines with varying margins, such as this four-point list.
>     Pegasus seems to wrap things all over the place; PC-Write 2.5 did much
>     better (later versions of PC-Write allow you to embed ruler lines within
>     the text; earlier ones would try to judge the left margin by the text that
>     was there.  Right margin still had to be set by hand but could be changed
>     very easily).

Agreed, although you can do it if you don't need to reformat the text
afterwards (but it is hassle) :-)

> -4- Use two spaces after periods without having to worry about whether Pegasus
>     will wrap an extra space onto the next line.  PC-Write will simply let
>     extra spaces remain at the end of the previous line (which seems to work
>     pretty well).

This is the one I have noticed most of all, as I use two spaces after
a full stop as well.  I don't know of a work around other than using
a single space and inserting a second if you have to reformat the
text :-(

> Do you go after full-body HTML ones, or anything with embedded HTML?  I know
> some people like to use pseudo-HTML to emphasise text in otherwise non-HTML
> documents (personally, I prefer /italic/, *BOLD*, ~superscript~, and
> _underlined_ but that's just my taste.)

Ideally I would just go for full bodied stuff, but seeing as a lot of
people sending bulk junk mail use selected HTML to highlight, I have
gone for that as well.

The main reason I now use procmail is to get rid of the junk -
according to the log, it deleted 6 junk mail messages sent to me last
night alone !  I have given up trying to get removed from these
things, a lot of them specify bogus remove addresses anyway, or so it
would seem.

Cheers, Ian.

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