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1999\05\25@220150 by Tony Nixon

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Hi all,

I'm fairly confident that PicNPoke will be available on CD ROM soon.

As such, there will be a ton of room spare. My software only uses about
11M.

It seems a shame to waste all that space, so I was wondering if anyone
out there wants to make some use of it for demos of thier own products.
It doesn't take beginners long to move on and start wanting more
productive tools to use so it may be a good place to start looking.

Perhaps items that may be of interest to people just learning about
programming, such as tips, snippets, web sites, projects etc. I thought
I would also add things like Acrobat.

Just an idea.

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Tony

PicNPoke - Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools.

http://www.picnpoke.com
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1999\05\25@233457 by Brian Gracia

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Tony,

How bout some Microchip docs on the F84, Maxim 232, Dallas 1302 etc so the
beginner does not have to wait 10 years to download them.  Just the popular
beginners stuff.

Brian



At 08:57 PM 5/25/99 , you wrote:
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1999\05\26@003823 by paulb

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Tony Nixon wrote:

> I'm fairly confident that PicNPoke will be available on CD ROM soon.
> As such, there will be a ton of room spare. My software only uses
> about 11M.

 Is it a shareware version, registerable on-line after free
distribution?

 I suppose you would be too much "small fry" for Microchip to add you
to *their* distribution and offer free disks...

> I would also add things like Acrobat.

 Of course.
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1999\05\26@003836 by Tjaart van der Walt

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Tony Nixon wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm fairly confident that PicNPoke will be available on CD ROM soon.
>
> As such, there will be a ton of room spare. My software only uses about
> 11M.
>
> It seems a shame to waste all that space, so I was wondering if anyone
> out there wants to make some use of it for demos of thier own products.

You absolutely *have* to call it PicNPlug then ;)
...or PicNPreview.

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1999\05\26@020513 by Tony Nixon

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"Paul B. Webster VK2BZC" wrote:
>   Is it a shareware version, registerable on-line after free
> distribution?

I can't offer PicNPoke as shareware because the limited amount of funds
it is generating is paying for things like being able to offer a CD
version instead of the growing amount of disks. It is already
registerable on line and now that there is hardware as well, should make
it easier for me to distribute. People seem to like CD's more so than
disks these days.

I was only hoping to use up space on the CD. If nothing ends up on it,
then there's no harm done.

Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, it seems a little selfish to
distribute other peoples ideas with a product that has a bit of
commercial value, and I'm not really in a position to distribute free
demonstration CD's.

I think it may be best not to worry so much about the idea. Hey, maybe
I'll fire up my drum kit, get the young fella PIC'n on his guitar and
fill it with the PicNPoke Boogie :-)

> I suppose you would be too much "small fry" for Microchip to add you
> to *their* distribution and offer free disks...

I was told ages ago by a rep from Microchip that PicNPoke may appear on
thier CD ROM and on thier web site, but nothing has surfaced yet.


Just as an aside, with the talk about what one should do with unused IO
pins. The consensus seemed to be that that the TRIS register may
accidently, or otherwise, change state during operation and therefore
the pins should be set and left as unconnected outputs.

What if the TRIS state somehow changes to an input? Floating inputs can
cause a bit of havoc as well. Maybe they should be set as outputs with a
high value pullup/pulldown on them as well just to be on the safe side.

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Best regards

Tony

PicNPoke - Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools.

http://www.picnpoke.com
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1999\05\26@044925 by Benjamin Petersen

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> Just as an aside, with the talk about what one should do with
> unused IO
> pins. The consensus seemed to be that that the TRIS register may
> accidently, or otherwise, change state during operation and therefore
> the pins should be set and left as unconnected outputs.
>
> What if the TRIS state somehow changes to an input? Floating
> inputs can
> cause a bit of havoc as well. Maybe they should be set as
> outputs with a
> high value pullup/pulldown on them as well just to be on the
> safe side.

Unused pins ? Not in my project !

I'd say that you could put a C demo version and a JAL (FULL) version and so
on on your CD.

Regards
Benjamin Petersen

1999\05\26@055058 by Larry Fostano

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I would like to see a section that teaches how to write and apply to the pic
chip for the person who never in their life seen a chip not to mention ever
programming .This would be a great enhancement to help newbies get started.At
this time there is nothing that takes a person by the hand and do a step by
step that I have seen .Again concider a newbie that is opening a magazine and
sats "wow that looks interesting I think i would like to try that ".

1999\05\26@112445 by w. v. ooijen / f. hanneman
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How about
- the latest version of the various free tools (my JAL, gnupic stuff etc)
- designs for programmers, accompanying software
- David Tait's PIC links, and most of the thinks pointed to?
- already mentioned: the datasheets of various popular chips,
don't forget i2c, lm75, 7805, 2803
Wouter

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1999\05\26@160411 by Jamil J. Weatherbee

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Actually the any argument about TRIS changing somehow (due to a bug) makes
it clear that there is no one solution that fits all cases when your
talking about bidirectional I/O.

Because what if you have an input to the pic that cannot tolerate a
pull-up/pull down resistor.
Without the assumption that the software is without bugs that will alter
TRIS there is no solution, simply because the pins are I/O pins

For instance it is a bad idea for me to put pull-up/down resistors on an
analog input.  It effects the analog value.  But a software bug could
cause that pin to be a digital input which might be somewhere
indeterminate because of the device giving the signal and cause a problem.

Also the pin could *ACCIDENTALLY* become an output in which case I might
damage the device the analog input is connected to.





On Wed, 26 May 1999, Benjamin Petersen wrote:

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1999\05\26@180411 by Don McKenzie

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Tony Nixon wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm fairly confident that PicNPoke will be available on CD ROM soon.
> As such, there will be a ton of room spare. My software only uses about
> 11M.
> It seems a shame to waste all that space, so I was wondering if anyone
> out there wants to make some use of it for demos of thier own products.

Let me know when you are about to go to press with it Tony, and I'll pop
you over a CD with the latest DonTronics web site on it.

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