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'Pic-1 Programmer from ITU need help'
1998\02\21@220712 by Joe

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I need help.  I purchased a Pic-1 Programmer from ITU Technologies.  This
unit
is supposed to be able to program 12C508 Chips.  I have tried several times.
I think I nuked 5 chips so far.  The schematics Title is:  PIC16C6x/7x, 84
Programmer.  Yet the manual says it supports the 12C508 chips.  I called ITU
to make sure I was putting the chip in write.  It has an 18pin connector.  I
just put the 8pin all the way to the right side where pin 1 meets pin1 on the
12c508 chip.  Still didnt work.  Im wondering if the hookup is different.
Since that connector is an 18pin connector.  Any help on this would GREATLY
be
appreciated.

ITU Web Page:  http://www.itutech.com


Please EMAIL me:  spam_OUThellfireTakeThisOuTspamwwti.com

Thank You

1998\02\21@232907 by Charles Laforge

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Joe

Did you look at the read me file on the disk?  Here is what they say
about PIC12C5XX devices.  By 18 pin connector I assume you mean the 18
pin socket... right?


Adapters for 12C5xx Support
---------------------------
You can purchase a completed adapter directly from us($19), or you may
choose to wire an adapter yourself.  This is very easy via the
connection of the five pin header on the PIC-1. Simply connect an 8 pin
socket to the header in this fashion:

 PIC-1                   Adapter
header                 8 pin socket
 GND 1 ------------------> pin 8
 Vpp 2 ------------------> pin 4
 Vdd 3 ------------------> pin 1
 CLK 4 ------------------> pin 6
 DTA 5 ------------------> pin 7

All cable lead lengths should be kept under 6" for best performance.


Some notes on 12C programming
-----------------------------
Care must be taken when erasing /JW 12C devices since this will erase
the calibration constant from the device.  When receiving a new 12C
device, we recommend that the contents of the device be read and saved
into a permanent file.  After this, you may program the device normally.
When you need to erase the device, program the device with the permanent
file you created. You may then program the device again with your
program file.  This will eliminate any chance of losing your calibration
constant and keep your internal oscillator running at the proper speed.


My question is... how do you know you fried pics if you havent
programmed one succesfully yet?  The old magic smoke?

Hope this helps.

Charles

>From:         Joe <.....hellfireKILLspamspam@spam@WWTI.COM>
>Subject:      Pic-1 Programmer from ITU need help
>To:           PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
>
>I need help.  I purchased a Pic-1 Programmer from ITU Technologies.
This
>unit
>is supposed to be able to program 12C508 Chips.  I have tried several
times.
>I think I nuked 5 chips so far.  The schematics Title is:  PIC16C6x/7x,
84
>Programmer.  Yet the manual says it supports the 12C508 chips.  I
called ITU
>to make sure I was putting the chip in write.  It has an 18pin
connector.  I
>just put the 8pin all the way to the right side where pin 1 meets pin1
on the
>12c508 chip.  Still didnt work.  Im wondering if the hookup is
different.
>Since that connector is an 18pin connector.  Any help on this would
GREATLY
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1998\02\21@235119 by Joe

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Ahh SHIT! I cant beleive that.  Yea NOW I see it.  What the hell.  I called
ITU and ask them and he didnt say anything about that!  Looks like tomorrow
morning I will be running to Radio shack to get an 8pin socket!  THANKS!!!!

-Joe



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1998\02\22@134239 by Joe

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Hi, I just hooked up my own 8pin socket as noted in the readme file.  Im
still haveing problems.  I go to program and the program light flashes for
about 1/2 second.  This is what I got before I tried programming the chip:

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:00000001FF

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After Programming (Light flashed for 1/2 second then gave an error msg)

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:00000001FF

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Line #1 is the only one that changed slightly.  I'm assuming after doing
this that the chip can no longer be programmed.  12c508 chip.

:10000000FF0FFF0FFF0FFF0FFF0FFF0FFF0FFF0F80 <-Before
:100000000000FF0FFF0FFF0FFF0FFF0FFF0FFF0F8E <-After



At 08:08 PM 2/21/98 PST, you wrote:
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1998\02\22@153828 by Charles Laforge
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Hi Joe

Well unfortunately I can't help you any further (I have never used the 8
pinners) but I'm quite sure someone here can.  Please keep this
discussion on the piclist as i will be playing with 8 pin devices very
shortly.


Charles


>From: Joe <KILLspamhellfireKILLspamspamwwti.com>
>Subject: Re: Pic-1 Programmer from ITU need help
>Cc: RemoveMEcjoachimTakeThisOuTspamHOTMAIL.COM
>
>Hi, I just hooked up my own 8pin socket as noted in the readme file.
Im
>still haveing problems.  I go to program and the program light flashes
for
>about 1/2 second.  This is what I got before I tried programming the
chip:
>



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1998\02\22@202658 by Shawn Kindrat

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I had the same problem at first.  Instead using the 8 pin socket, use edit
(or such) to edit the file PIC-1.CNF from the ITU disc.  I think default is
1024 or something.  change it to 512.  After that, I have had no problems
whatsoever.  


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1998\02\23@112037 by chris

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> Joe
>
> Did you look at the read me file on the disk?  Here is what they say
> about PIC12C5XX devices.  By 18 pin connector I assume you mean the 18
> pin socket... right?

I'd like to clear up this point of confusion.  Prior to Rev. 3.0 of
the circuit board, you would need to use an adapter for the 12C50x
devices.  With the current rev. 3.0  (also called the PIC-1+
programmer), you do not need an adapter.  You can program the 8
pinners in the 18 pin socket by placing them at the top of the socket
(pin 1 of the chip into pin 1 of the socket).

I hope this clears up the confusion.  Joe, if you are still having
problems please give me a call.

Sincerely,

Chris

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1998\02\23@120911 by Norm Cramer

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What was the error message?

I have seen something like this with 16C84's.  The problem was grounding on
the cable between the PC and the PIC-1.  Make sure that the shell of the
cable is connected to ground at both ends and that the cable is relatively
short (mine is 3ft).

Can you program the 18 pin devices?

Also check the pic1.cnf file in the programmers directory.  It must be set
to the number of bytes in the chips program memory.

Norm

1998\02\23@134943 by Hellfire

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Thanks

-Joe


"One more special message to go, and then I'm done,
then I can go Home..." -Kurt Cobain

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1998\02\23@224105 by Joe

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Well I found the problem.  Its this Printer Cable that I got from them.  I
plugged the PIC-1 Device directly into my Port and it worked!  I didnt even
need to build that 8pin addon.  With the New PIC-1 Rev.3.0  It doesnt need
that you can put the chip into the 16pin socket.

Thanks for all your help!

-Joe


At 12:36 PM 2/22/98 PST, you wrote:
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1998\02\23@235407 by Adi

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The pinou of the 12C devices is very much different than the 16F84. I
m looking at programming a 12C672 with the PIC-1 and if I am right
the hookup should be as follows:

 PIC-1   PIC12C672 pins

  GND - Vss  ---> Pin 8
  Vpp - MCLR ---> Pin 4
  Vdd - Vdd  ---> Pin 1
  RB6 - GP1  ---> Pin 6
  RB7 - GP0  ---> Pin 7

The first column shows the in-circuit programming header of the PIC-1
and the remainder is where it'll hookup to the PIC. If you look at
the pinouts there's no way to insert the 8 pin PIC into the 18 pin
socket and line up the proper pins. Wire up an 8 pin socket and
connect it to the header in the PIC-1 board.

Hope this helps. Regards,
Adi


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