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> To: Recipients of PICLIST digests <
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> Subject: PICLIST Digest - 24 Jul 1997 to 25 Jul 1997
> Date: 26 July 1997 05:00
>
> There are 40 messages totalling 1265 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
> 1. PIC16C84 (3)
> 2. Message not deliverable
> 3. Using bit RA5 of 16C63
> 4. Visual Programing (a bit off-topic) (2)
> 5. Measuring Conductivity w/ 16c54 (3)
> 6. PICLIST Digest - 23 Jul 1997 to 24 Jul 1997
> 7. PIC and 30pin SIMMs 256KByte not needed
> 8. In Circuit Programming (2)
> 9. Still No DOS assembler for PIC12Cxxx ????
> 10. L/C Meter
> 11. 24 bit signed compare
> 12. Need Full Text Patent Site--No PIC :>(
> 13. Rapid Electronics (3)
> 14. multiplixing
> 15. DC MOTORS. (2)
> 16. 2 RS232 I/O microcontroller (2)
> 17. PHRIPHERIAL INTERFACE CONTROLER
> 18. F84 programming? (2)
> 19. serial I/O
> 20. <No subject given>
> 21. External memory on 16C84
> 22. sorry for
> 23. multiplexed system
> 24. PS/2 Mouse
> 25. Message not deliverable (Dupes)
> 26. MoRe: Mosfet (LED drive)
> 27. Maxim 110 and or 111
> 28. PS/2 Mouse -Reply
> 29. pip02 and pentium II
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:55:20 -0500
> From: Todd Peterson <
.....elabKILLspam
.....NETINS.NET>
> Subject: Re: PIC16C84
>
> At 12:46 PM 7/25/97 +0930, you wrote:
>
> >Well, there is always simulated code - ie interpreters(BASIC, C, Forth)
-
> >that could fetch and execute tokens from a serial EEPROM. Slow, but
> >code-compact.
>
> Yes, such as in a BASIC Stamp, I assume. Does anyone know how the tokens
> brought in are placed into the execution pipeline of the processor? Of
> course SOMEONE knows how; maybe I should re-phrase that: HOW are the
tokens
{Quote hidden}> brought in placed into the execution pipeline?
>
> -Todd Peterson
> E-Lab Digital Engineering, Inc.
> "Embedded Control & Integrated Circuit Solutions"
>
> EDE300 IC - Stamp I/O Expander & PC Interface IC
> EDE700 IC - Serial to LCD Interface IC
> EDE1200 IC - Stepper Motor Controller
> EDE1400 IC - Serial to Parallel-Printer IC
>
>
http://www.netins.net/showcase/elab
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:52:04 -0500
> From: Todd Peterson <
EraseMEelabspam_OUT
TakeThisOuTNETINS.NET>
> Subject: Re: Message not deliverable
>
> At 12:40 PM 7/25/97 +0930, you wrote:
>
> >My PicList folder has some 3518 messages in it - I think I'll archive
some,
> >as switching to this folder is getting slow!
>
> I suspect quite a few of us are getting a lot of messages accumulated.
> What's the final word on availability of an archived version of the mail
on
> the list? Is there one and I just don't know about it? Someone
mentioned
{Quote hidden}> that they were going to be doing it back in January, but I followed that
> page for a while and it was never updated. Anyone else?
>
> -Todd Peterson
>
> E-Lab Digital Engineering, Inc.
> "Embedded Control & Integrated Circuit Solutions"
>
> EDE300 IC - Stamp I/O Expander & PC Interface IC
> EDE700 IC - Serial to LCD Interface IC
> EDE1200 IC - Stepper Motor Controller
> EDE1400 IC - Serial to Parallel-Printer IC
>
>
http://www.netins.net/showcase/elab
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:33:32 +301000
> From:
blunn
spam_OUTKEYCORP.COM.AU
> Subject: Re: PIC16C84
>
> Bob Lunn
> 07/25/97 02:33 PM
>
>
> > Does anyone know how the tokens brought in are placed
> > into the execution pipeline of the processor?
>
> They aren't.
>
> The tokens are interpreted. Generically, the
> token identifies a subroutine to be executed.
>
> ___Bob
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:57:16 -0500
> From: Tom Cox <
@spam@trcoxKILLspam
WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> Subject: Using bit RA5 of 16C63
>
> The 16C6X data sheet indicates that pin 7 has dual uses: RA5 and Slave
> Select for the Synchronous Serial Port.
>
> I'm not using the synchronous serial port. Do I need to do something to
> disable it, so that I can use this pin as an ordinary output?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:09:25 -0700
> From: Luiz Marques <
KILLspamomarquesKILLspam
UFBA.BR>
> Subject: Visual Programing (a bit off-topic)
>
> Can anyone recommend a freeware software for Visual Programing?.
>
> I'm in need of a flowchart simulator. Simulation is enough, don't need
> source code generation.
>
> Thanks
>
> Luiz Marques
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:52:54 -0600
> From: Shane Nelson <
RemoveMEiTakeThisOuT
SPOTS.AB.CA>
> Subject: Measuring Conductivity w/ 16c54
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> If anybody has knowledge measuring conductivity of water (total dissolved
> solids) with a pic, your input would be greatly appreciated.
>
> This is my first PIC project, which was given to me because the guy who
> started it couldn't get it working properly. I've spent the last few
> months learning the language, and trying to decode a nest of goto's in
the
> program I was given.
>
> I believe I have found the problem... electron depletion (or
polarization,
> or electrolisys, all essentially the same I think?) on the electrodes. I
> have been sending a 5 volt signal (RA1) through the probe (two stainless
> steel elecrodes), and then through a cap that is wired to ground. The
probe
{Quote hidden}> end of the cap is wired to TIMER0. The length of time it takes the cap to
> charge is dependant on the resistance of the solution that I insert the
> probe into. This works ok, for a the first few measurements.
>
> The trouble is, every measurement causes the a higher degree of
> polarization, causing it to take longer to charge the cap for the same
> solution...
>
> All I can find in reference books, or on the net, is I should be sending
a
> small amplitude sinusoidal wave to the probe. I'm unsure of a few things:
>
> 1) How to generate a "small amplitude sine wave" with a PIC, and what
> constitutes small amplitude?
> 2) How will the conductivity of the solution affect this signal?
> 3) What technique should I be using to measure the signal?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:00:09 -0700
> From: Mike Ghormley <
spamBeGonemikegspamBeGone
BLACKSAND.COM>
> Subject: Re: PICLIST Digest - 23 Jul 1997 to 24 Jul 1997
>
> Tom Handley wrote:
>
> > John, a good single chip solution is to use the old ICM7218/7228
> >chip from Intersil/Harris. It drives 8 digits, has an 8 digit SRAM,
> >drives common anode/cathode/lcd displays, and eliminates a lot of
> > `glue'...
>
> Good chip, but pricey! $8.84 US from Digi-Key in onesies.
>
> Michael
>
> When the way of the Tao is forgotten, kindness and ethics must be taught.
> Men must learn to pretend to be wise and good. -- Lao Tzu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:47:51 -0700
> From: Bob Blick <
TakeThisOuTbblickEraseME
spam_OUTTELIS.ORG>
> Subject: Re: PIC and 30pin SIMMs 256KByte not needed
>
> disposable yogurt spoons
>
> At 05:09 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Probably worth far more as scrapers for removing excess paint from glass
> >after painting window frames.
> >
> >Well thats wot I last used um 4.
> >
> >"Politician In Crises"
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:21:19 BST
> From: Keith Dowsett <
RemoveMEkdowsett
TakeThisOuTRPMS.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Measuring Conductivity w/ 16c54
>
> Hi,
>
> firstly conductivity is not necessarily a good measure of total
dissolved
> solids as it depends on the species present.
>
> To measure conductivity you ideally want an AC signal with no DC
component,
> otherwise (as you have discovered) you polarise your cell, and eventually
> start electrolysing water.
>
> You might consider clamping one electrode at V(supply)/2 and switching
the
> other alternately low and high with a 50% duty cycle (zero net current).
> This makes measurement a bit tricky but it's the simplest option.
>
> Another option is to connect both electrodes to outputs and switch one
high
> and the other low then vice-versa, but I suspect that 5V will probably be
> too much for your cell and will result in electrolysis.
>
> One other problem has occured to me. If you are looking at high purity
water
{Quote hidden}
circuit
{Quote hidden}> programming' with pins PB6 and PB7.
> Is it still possible then to use PB6 and PB7 as I/O pins?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark Langezaal
>
RemoveMEmlangezaalspam_OUT
KILLspamklm.nl
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:58:12 +0200
> From: Tjaart van der Walt <
RemoveMEtjaartTakeThisOuT
spamWASP.CO.ZA>
> Subject: Re: In Circuit Programming
>
> Mark Langezaal wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am building a project using the 16C84 and want to be able to use 'in
circuit
{Quote hidden}> > programming' with pins PB6 and PB7.
> > Is it still possible then to use PB6 and PB7 as I/O pins?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark Langezaal
> >
EraseMEmlangezaalspam
spamBeGoneklm.nl
>
> Yes. Just don't put decoupling caps on them - the programming pulses
> are shorted to ground in that case.
>
> --
> Friendly Regards
>
> Tjaart van der Walt
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:12:51 -0300
> From: Octavio Nogueira <
nogueiraSTOPspam
spam_OUTMANDIC.COM.BR>
> Subject: Re: Still No DOS assembler for PIC12Cxxx ????
>
> I'm using MPASM.EXE version 1.5 from Microchip and it works for 12CXX
>
> Cheers,
>
> Octavio
> ======================================================
> Octavio Nogueira - e-mail:
spamBeGonenogueiraSTOPspam
EraseMEmandic.com.br
>
http://www.geocities.com/~oct_nogueira
> "ProPic" Production PIC Programmer Windows under US$20
> ======================================================
> ----
> De: Mike <
KILLspamerazmusspamBeGone
WANTREE.COM.AU>
> Para:
EraseMEPICLIST
EraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Data: Quinta-feira, Julho 24, 1997 04:37
> Assunto: Still No DOS assembler for PIC12Cxxx ????
>
> >Hi Guys,
> >
> >I asked a little while back if anyone knew of a DOS based assembler for
> >the 12Cxxx series ?
> >
> >Do I take it that such a beast does not exist ?
> >
> >rgds
> >
> >mike
> >Perth, Western Australia
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:10:42 -0300
> From: Octavio Nogueira <
@spam@nogueira@spam@
spam_OUTMANDIC.COM.BR>
> Subject: Re: L/C Meter
>
> I builded the L/C Meter and it works just fine. I still have it right in
> front of me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Octavio
> ======================================================
> Octavio Nogueira - e-mail:
spamBeGonenogueira
KILLspammandic.com.br
>
http://www.geocities.com/~oct_nogueira
> "ProPic" Production PIC Programmer Windows under US$20
> ======================================================>Hi to all.
> >
> > Have anybody had any experience with an automatic L/C meter,
> >digital output, published by Electronics Now, probably in 6/96 as per
> their
> >information on the download library, having a file there as follows;
> >
> >LCM.ZIP 11K 04/29/96 L/C METER. Source and object code. EN 6/96
> >
> > Appears to be an interesting project from the SW side, using a
> >PIC16c61. Will like to know how are the real HW results as measurements
> >precision, etc.
> >
> >thanks in advance
> >
> >
> >juan
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:08:51 +0930
> From: Mike Smith <
.....mikesmith_ozspam_OUT
RELAYMAIL.NET>
> Subject: Re: Visual Programing (a bit off-topic)
>
> ---Original Message-----
> From: Luiz Marques <
TakeThisOuTomarques.....
TakeThisOuTUFBA.BR>
> To:
TakeThisOuTPICLISTKILLspam
spamMITVMA.MIT.EDU <
.....PICLIST
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> Date: Friday, 25 July 1997 15:13
> Subject: Visual Programing (a bit off-topic)
>
>
>
> >Can anyone recommend a freeware software for Visual Programing?.
> >
> >I'm in need of a flowchart simulator. Simulation is enough, don't need
> >source code generation.
> >
> What do you want to do with it? There's an ocx control that might do,
comes
{Quote hidden}> with MSVC. I don't know what its 'status' is re gnu/free/share/ware, but
> can check. I *think* it is visual representation only.
>
> MikeS
> <
RemoveMEmikesmith_oz
spamBeGonerelaymail.net>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:44:03 -0400
> From: John Shreffler <
spamBeGonejohns@spam@
spam_OUTAVENUETECH.COM>
> Subject: Measuring Conductivity w/ 16c54
>
> Greetings,
>
> If anybody has knowledge measuring conductivity of water (total
dissolved
> solids) with a pic, your input would be greatly appreciated.
>
> This is my first PIC project, which was given to me because the guy
who
> started it couldn't get it working properly. I've spent the last
few
> months learning the language, and trying to decode a nest of goto's
in the
> program I was given.
>
> I believe I have found the problem... electron depletion (or
polarization,
> or electrolisys, all essentially the same I think?) on the
electrodes. I
>
> You will need a little signal conditioning ahead of you're A/D. If you
put the
> leads of an ohmmeter in a glass of salt water, you will see it stabilize
at some
> reading after a few moments, but if you stir the water, the conductivity
will
{Quote hidden}> increase.
> What is happening is that you are biasing the water around the probes.
>
> You must use an alternating field to avoid charging up the water around
> your probes. You can use synchronous detection to
> convert the AC to DC, and an op amp to buffer it to the D/A
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:02:20 +0930
> From: Mike Smith <
TakeThisOuTmikesmith_ozspam
RELAYMAIL.NET>
> Subject: Re: PIC16C84
>
> ---Original Message-----
> From: Todd Peterson <
elabEraseME
NETINS.NET>
> To:
RemoveMEPICLISTEraseME
spam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU <
@spam@PICLISTRemoveME
EraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Friday, 25 July 1997 13:51
> Subject: Re: PIC16C84
>
>
>
> >At 12:46 PM 7/25/97 +0930, you wrote:
> >
> >>Well, there is always simulated code - ie interpreters(BASIC, C, Forth)
-
> >>that could fetch and execute tokens from a serial EEPROM. Slow, but
> >>code-compact.
> >
> >Yes, such as in a BASIC Stamp, I assume. Does anyone know how the
tokens
> >brought in are placed into the execution pipeline of the processor? Of
> >course SOMEONE knows how; maybe I should re-phrase that: HOW are the
tokens
> >brought in placed into the execution pipeline?
>
> A huge switch statement, with the more common tokens at the beginning?
>
> address = 0;
> while(1)
> { token = GetByteAt(address++);
> switch(token)
> { case GOTO: // assume we are working for int Basic - and goto
is
> of course most common <g>
> address = GetWordAt(address);
> break;
> case PRINT:
> // handle print params - say "Hello World" - probably
mapped
{Quote hidden}> to the PIC's SCI
> break;
> .
> .
> .
> default:
> // error handler
> break;
> }
> }
>
> Of course, using a PC based 'preprocessor' to convert ascii to tokens,
and
{Quote hidden}> syntax check it, will save a huge amount of space of the PIC's precious
> code memory space.
>
> MikeS
> <
EraseMEmikesmith_oz
@spam@relaymail.net>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:43:45 +0200
> From: Edwin Baaij <
@spam@baaijspam_OUT
.....PHYS.UVA.NL>
> Subject: 24 bit signed compare
>
> Hello,
>
> I've created a routine for a 24 bit signed compare. 6 byte variables
> mpos0..2 and wpos0..2 are compared and at the end the result is in two
bits;
{Quote hidden}> pos_equal (if set pos_sign has no use)
> pos_sign.
>
> I was wandering if anybody has a faster (and/or shorter) routine for this
> logic-problem.
>
> My code:
>
> bcf pos_equal // assume not equal; set '0'
> bsf pos_sign // assume wpos>mpos; set '1'
>
> movf wpos2,w // check sign bits to see if one is
positive..
{Quote hidden}> xorwf mpos2,w // ..and the other negative or visa versa
> andlw 0x80 // only look at sign result
> btfsc 03,2 // if set ->zero=0, skip next
> goto nosign
>
> btfsc wpos2,7 // wpos negative? skip if not
> bcf pos_sign // yes, so wpos<mpos
> goto cmpdone // we're finished
>
> nosign: // no sign difference, we've to compare
> movf mpos2,W
> subwf wpos2,w // w=wpos2-mpos2
> btfss 03,2 // if equal, skip next
> goto cmpdone
>
> movf mpos1,w
> subwf wpos1,w // w=wpos1-mpos1
> btfss 03,2 // if equal, skip next
> goto cmpdone
>
> movf mpos0,w
> subwf wpos0,w // w=wpos1-mpos1
> btfsc 03,2 // check zero bit skip if clear
> bsf pos_equal // set equal bit
>
> cmpdone:
> btfss 03,0 // carry flag = '1' ?
> bcf pos_sign // no; so clear pos_sign
> cmpexit:
>
> Edwin Baaij (Electronics Engineer)
> *********************************************************************
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> 1018 XE Amsterdam
> *********************************************************************
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:48:34 +0100
> From: Tim Forcer <
T.M.ForcerspamBeGone
ECS.SOTON.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Need Full Text Patent Site--No PIC :>(
>
> Several have mentioned the IBM patent server at
>
http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/ While this has some nice features, and
goes
> back to 1971 (that's before even the 555!), I've been hitting it a lot
this
> last week, but found I got a much better service (VERY much faster) from
> the official US Patent Office site at http://patents.uspto.gov/index.html
> They only run from 1976, but you can construct long and elaborate search
> strings (like Alta Vista Advanced) which the IBM server doesn't seem to
> handle. Where the IBM site scores is in having scanned images of the
> patents available. So, some of the time I opened a second Netscape and
did
> the heavy-duty searching at USPTO and the detailed browsing at womplex.
>
> I have tried looking for UK Patent Office, but one of their quoted URLs
has
> disppeared, and the other simply brings up an ISP's banner and advert.
Can
> this be another reason why, although UK generates lots of patents per
1000
{Quote hidden}> population, it developes very few (relative to rest of world figures in
> both cases)?
>
>
> Tim Forcer
RemoveMEtmf@spam@
spamBeGoneecs.soton.ac.uk
> Department of Electronics & Computer Science
> The University of Southampton, UK
>
> The University is not responsible for my opinions
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:22:00 PDT
> From: "Clewer,Brian" <
.....brian.clewer@spam@
EraseMETELEMATICS.COM>
> Subject: Rapid Electronics
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know the Address or Telephone number of Rapid Electronics in
the
{Quote hidden}> UK?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:32:51 -0700
> From: Andre Abelian <
.....engelecRemoveME
EARTHLINK.NET>
> Subject: multiplixing
>
> Hi all
>
> I need to get more information about multiplexed system.
>
> Is there any web site or ANote for this.
> I tried AN529 about clock could 't understend properly how it works.
>
> Thank you for any help.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:37:44 +0000
> From: Ian Cameron <
.....I.A.CameronSTOPspam
@spam@OPEN.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Rapid Electronics
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know the Address or Telephone number of Rapid Electronics
in the
{Quote hidden}> > UK?
>
> Rapid Electronics Ltd
> Heckworth Close
> Colchester
> Essex
> CO4 4TB
>
> Tel: 01206 751166 (+44 1206 751166)
> Fax: 01206 751188 (+44 1206 751188)
>
> Email:
salesEraseME
@spam@rapidelec.co.uk
>
> Cheers, Ian.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:03:17 +0100
> From: "Richard G. Thomas" <
RemoveMERichard.Thomas
spamBeGoneBRUNEL.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Rapid Electronics
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know the Address or Telephone number of Rapid Electronics
in the
{Quote hidden}> > UK?
>
> Heckworth close,
> Severalls Industrial Estate,
> Colchester,
> Essex
> CO4 4TB
>
> Tel. 01206 751166
> Fax. 01206 751188
>
> but if its international I think its 44 1206 etc
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:08:28 -0300
> From: jorge melluso <
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@spam@SATLINK.COM>
> Subject: DC MOTORS.
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know the Address or Telephone number of manufacture Dc Motors
> 1/4 to 1 HP in 12 or 24 Volts in the UK or in USA ?
>
> Thanks,
> Jorge.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:29:52 -0500
> From: Ken Ferens <
spamBeGonekferens@spam@
WIN.TRLABS.CA>
> Subject: 2 RS232 I/O microcontroller
>
> Hi'yall,
>
> I'm looking for a microcontroller development system that receives
> input from device A through an RS232 port, processes the data, and
> then transmits the processed data to device B through an another
> RS232 port. I would also like to program/develop the software via
> a host computer.
>
>
> __________
> | Host |
> |Computer|
> |________|
> |
> |
> | RS232
> |
> __________ _____|______ __________
> | Device | RS232 | Micro | RS232 | Device |
> | A |<---------------->|Controller|<---------------->| B |
> |________| |__________| |________|
>
>
>
> Can you help me by suggesting a product or a reference?
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Ken
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:03:38 -0400
> From: Mike <
RemoveMEerazmusEraseME
KILLspamWANTREE.COM.AU>
> Subject: Re: PHRIPHERIAL INTERFACE CONTROLER
>
> At 05:10 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
> Great - thanks for archiving these - I wasn't looking forward to hunting
> through 6MB of trashed emails...
>
> >Please Mchip FIX YOUR SERVER ! your Parasite Infected Computer is
causing
{Quote hidden}> >Positively Incredible Contusions to my Personal Intellectual Creativity
> >Please Ingest Carefuly as it may cause a Painfully Irritating Colon
>
> Gee - you must have been hard pressed ;)
>
> Sorry couldn't resist :)
>
> Back to Pathetically Intolerable Computing - oops was that Microsoft ?
>
> Cheers
>
> Mike
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:10:16 -0500
> From: Lynn Richardson <
spamBeGonelrichspam_OUT
RemoveMEQNI.COM>
> Subject: Re: DC MOTORS.
>
> Try:
> Minnesota Electric Technology (MET)
> Winnebago, MN 56098
> PH(507) 625-6117
>
> Or:
> Leeson Electric Corporation
> Grafton, WI 53024-0241
> PH(414) 377-8810
>
>
> jorge melluso wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know the Address or Telephone number of manufacture Dc
Motors
{Quote hidden}> > 1/4 to 1 HP in 12 or 24 Volts in the UK or in USA ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jorge.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:04:05 GMT
> From: Nigel Goodwin <
.....nigelg
RemoveMELPILSLEY.DEMON.CO.UK>
> Subject: Re: F84 programming?
>
> In message <
33D7FF5F.A3D1DBA8
@spam@flash.net>
EraseMEPICLISTRemoveME
STOPspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU writes:
>
> > I just assumed that the F84 would program fine, and the first
> > couple of times it did. Using the Nigel software, I was able to
> > burn a few versions of a small LED flasher program I wrote.
> > But now the F84 is dead, and I can't seem to find any PC
> > software to fix it.
>
> I don't have an F84 to try, but as soon as I get hold of one I'll update
the
{Quote hidden}> DOS software to program either the 'C' or 'F' versions.
>
> > I have a very strong feeling that code protection was turned on
> > incorrectly by the Nigel software, which of course thought it was
> > programming a C84 and not an F84. So what I need now is a program
> > that can fix the code protection settings on my poor dead F84. These
> > things are not cheap, and right now I have about $70 of worthless
> > PIC junk sitting next to me, with more on the way. Does anyone have
> > or is in the process of writing software to program the F84? Ben
> > Wirz tells me that the C84 is dead, and thus, I don't want to end
> > up working with a discontined chip. Pretty soon most PIC users will
> > have to switch to the F84, so can some nice person please write
> > software to program the F84 now, before I end up burning all this
> > stuff <no pun intended>??
>
> The main difference with the F84 is that the WDT bit is inverted, if you
> set it to the opposite of what you require, it should work OK.
>
> > I have talked to Don and Ben privately via E-Mail about this, but
> > I thought I'd throw the question out to the group.
> >
> > Again, the F84 refuses to program, however, it has been erased by the
> > Nigel software, so I am assuming it is effectively "blank." The Nigel
> > software reports a configuration setting of 1F, but I thought the
> > configuration word was 14 bits, not 8?
>
> The C84 only uses one bit for code protection, so my software strips off
> all the other unused bits. The F84 uses more than one code protection
bit,
> and my Windows software now addresses all the bits as required for the
F84.
>
> However, I haven't been able to test it yet, due to lack of an F84.
>
> > Does anyone have any ideas on what else the problem could be with
> > my F84? I'm hoping somebody will just tell me I'm an idiot and
> > show me how to fix it in ten minutes. :-)
>
> My only suggestion is to try your F84 in someone elses programmer, to
prove
> wether your chip or programmer is at fault.
>
> > BTW, I have had the same problem with the Windows version of Nigel's
> > programming software. It refuses to program, and is unable to set the
> > fuse settings.
>
> The latest Windows beta version now has an erase button included, I've
not
{Quote hidden}> released it yet, but it should be in the next week or so - perhaps that
> might help?.
>
> Nigel.
>
> /--------------------------------------------------------------\
> | Nigel Goodwin | Internet :
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> | Lower Pilsley | Web Page :
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> | Chesterfield | |
> | England | |
> \--------------------------------------------------------------/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:29:33 -0700
> From: Andre Abelian <
spamBeGoneengelec
@spam@EARTHLINK.NET>
> Subject: serial I/O
>
> Hi all.
>
> I need to know what is serial I/O on 16c62A.
>
> thank you
>
> Andre
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:30:21 GMT
> From: Nigel Goodwin <
RemoveMEnigelgspam_OUT
LPILSLEY.DEMON.CO.UK>
> Subject: Re: F84 programming?
>
> Oops!.
>
> Sorry about the F84/C84 fuses answer, I meant to say that the POWER UP
TIMER
{Quote hidden}> bit is inverted, NOT the WDT bit.
>
> No doubt I'll get loads of corrections before this apology arrives :-).
>
> Nigel.
>
> /--------------------------------------------------------------\
> | Nigel Goodwin | Internet :
nigelgspam
lpilsley.demon.co.uk |
> | Lower Pilsley | Web Page :
http://www.lpilsley.demon.co.uk |
> | Chesterfield | |
> | England | |
> \--------------------------------------------------------------/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:44:21 +0100
> From: Tim Kerby <
spam_OUTtim.kerbyspam_OUT
spam_OUTUKONLINE.CO.UK>
> Subject: <No subject given>
>
> Hi
> ps/2 is the same as serial, just a different connector. I have seen many
> elecrronics outlets deal simple adaptors between the differing wiring.
>
> Tim
>
> At 08:34 24/07/97 PST, you wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I need some help, I am looking for the specification of the PS/2
> > interface (originally in the IBM Reference manual) so I can
interface
> > to a PS/s mouse with a PIC micro. I am aware that the Microchip
> > Embedded Control Handbook contains Application notes on the serial,
> > and ADB interfaces. Are thre any good PIC code examples or
references
{Quote hidden}> > similar to what I am looking for?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill Safieh
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Personal Web Pages:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tim.kerby/
> PIC Site: web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tim.kerby/pic/
> The PIC Pages are under construction and I am looking for projects
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:48:31 -0700
> From: Brian Scearce <
blsspam_OUT
BEST.COM>
> Subject: External memory on 16C84
>
> Iain Whyte <
RemoveMEiain_whyteKILLspam
@spam@BIGFOOT.COM> writes:
> > I shouldn't have any real trouble accessing external memory with the
> > PIC, should I?
>
> External *data* memory is not hard. If you want a lot of it, you
> might end up using either a lot of IO lines or some extra hardware
> (external 74373 as address latch, etc). Or you can use serial
> memory devices.
>
> External *code* memory is hard. In fact, I think on the 16Cxx
> chips, it's just about impossible. If you want a larger program,
> the usual trick is to program the PIC with an interpreter and put
> some kind of byte codes on the external memory (this is how BASIC
> Stamps work).
>
> Brian
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:34:29 -0700
> From: Andre Abelian <
engelecspamBeGone
.....EARTHLINK.NET>
> Subject: sorry for
>
> I am sorry for my wrong source code. what I meant is by changing decimal
> value you can get what frequency you need starting .1 to .256. If
> maximum pulse is not good enough use higher resonator. I did this with
> my generator works ok. But if still I am wrong just simply trash this
> code.
>
>
>
> loop bsf porta,ra0
> call delay
> bcf porta,ra0
> goto loop
> delay movlw .100 ; DECIMAL VALUE IS YOUR FREQUENCY
> movwf count
> d decfsz count
> goto d
> retlw oo
>
>
> Andre
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:48:29 -0700
> From: Andre Abelian <
KILLspamengelec
.....EARTHLINK.NET>
> Subject: multiplexed system
>
> Hi all.
>
> I had mail setting problem I am not sure you received my first mail
> about
> multiplexed switches therefor I am posting it to piclist one more time.
>
> I need to get more info about multiplexing system. I never done any
> project with this system.but one thing I do know is regardless of how
> many switches I am going to use should work one by one.
>
> 2 4 bit switches I am going to use. total inputs I have is 6.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:09:04 -0400
> From: Kevin Timmerman <
spam_OUTopossum
KILLspamMACATAWA.ORG>
> Subject: PS/2 Mouse
>
> The protocol and voltages are differant. Some mice with a PS/2 plug can
adapt
> to either with an adapter, some can not.
>
> On Friday, July 25, 1997 2:44 PM, Tim Kerby
[SMTP:RemoveMEtim.kerbyRemoveME
EraseMEUKONLINE.CO.UK]
> wrote:
> > Hi
> > ps/2 is the same as serial, just a different connector. I have seen
many
{Quote hidden}> > elecrronics outlets deal simple adaptors between the differing wiring.
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:22:15 +1000
> From: "Paul B. Webster" <
KILLspampaulb
spamBeGoneMIDCOAST.COM.AU>
> Subject: Re: Message not deliverable (Dupes)
>
> Mike Smith wrote:
>
> > (one of which seems to involve getting the odd dupe - I suspect it's
> > not telling the ISP's unix host to delete all the messages...)
>
> You think YOU've got all the problems? I've been getting dupes quite
> routinely, albeit intermittently. Variously have used Netscape 2,
> Pegasus and Netscape 3, all under WIN95. Of course I discussed it with
> the ISP shopfront and got the predictable "Do you know there is an
> option you have to set ..." followed by "No-one else has reported it"
> (Which makes me wonder whether No-one Else actually receives daily
> E-mail, let alone in the quantity of these discussion lists) and the
> grudging suggestion that I COULD report it to the Guy Who Runs The
> System (if I can locate him - I suppose I might have to E-mail Sysop).
>
> One of these days I will put in the effort and time to see when he's
> in his office and make the connection (i.e., have him understand I'm
> talking about technical stuff such as the workings of his server) and
> see if there is an answer.
>
> Otherwise, if it doesn't happen TOO often, I will do what we do with
> all equipment, software etc., and suffer its idiosyncracies.
>
> Oh, and I was getting the "non-delivery" messages myself some weeks
> back.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul B.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:22:42 +1000
> From: "Paul B. Webster" <
paulb
spamMIDCOAST.COM.AU>
> Subject: MoRe: Mosfet (LED drive)
>
> Mike Keitz wrote:
>
> > This depends on what kind of variability is found in LEDs. If it is
> > variable internal resistance, then constant current drive is better.
> > If it is a variable leakage path that doesn't produce light, then
> > approximately constant-voltage drive would be better. Experience
> > seems to point to the former.
>
> In a manner of speaking. The equivalent circuit of a LED is a diode
> with a drop of between 1.1 (I-R) through 1.5 (Red) to 2.2 or more Volts
> (Green and High-brightness) in series with a relatively low resistance.
> As mentioned later in Mike's discussion in regard to the Vbe threshold
> of a transistor, it is (AFAIK,) the threshold voltage which is
> temperature-dependent and for this reason, constant-voltage drive is
> impractical.
>
> Nevertheless, many cheap clocks use a single limiting resistor for the
> whole display (all LEDs of course coming from the same batch) and
> implement the "dimmer" function by changing this. Since (they do not
> flash the colon so) they only change once per minute, the alteration in
> brightness is simply not noticed!
>
> > Another classical circuit uses another transistor to shunt drive away
> > from the main one when the emitter current reaches the desired value.
> ...
> > The disadvantage is additional parts
>
> Hearking back to the MOSFETs, two distinct advantages are the absence
> of a "drive" resistor and the fact that (within 12V or so) the gate may
> be overdriven in source follower mode when the Vdd collapses, without
> any extra load on the PIC. The MOSFET may be used as a constant-current
> sink by actually using a gate drive resistor shunted by, of all things,
> a pair of series LEDs; and a source resistor. Count: two resistors,
> two diodes and one MOSFET, though one of the diodes may be common to all
> drivers. Note that although the gate runs at 3V or so, the drain will
> drive down to almost the source voltage of about 1V.
>
> What has not been mentioned in regard to the various schemes of drive
> using voltages greater than the PIC supply is the requirement for two
> transistors per anode driver, an NPN driven by the PIC to drive the PNP
> whose emitter is at the higher voltage rail, with a base resistor in
> each and for effective turnoff, a pullup between base and emitter of the
> PNP. Even using ULN arrays, this is a fair component count.
>
> > This won't be too bad, as the very noticeable beat between the
> > multiplexing and ripple will be stationary thus not very noticeable.
> > If the frequencies are slightly different the effect is a moving
> > pattern of bright and dimmer.
>
> It occurs to me that if the PIC strobe algorithm is synchronised to
> the mains, four digit drives could occupy a quarter cycle each and thus
> each have the same integrated brightness.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul B.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:11:52 -0500
> From: Eric Rossi <
RemoveMErossispamBeGone
RemoveMESIU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: 2 RS232 I/O microcontroller
>
> >
> > I'm looking for a microcontroller development system that receives
> > input from device A through an RS232 port, processes the data, and
> > then transmits the processed data to device B through an another
> > RS232 port. I would also like to program/develop the software via
> > a host computer.
> >
>
> EMAC INC has several single board computers and development systems in
> Basic, C, or assembler that have the provision for 3 serial ports on a
> single board. There home page is
http://www.emacinc.com. Check it out.
>
> Eric
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:11:28 -0700
> From: jhobbs <
KILLspamjhobbsspamBeGone
QUIKNET.COM>
> Subject: Maxim 110 and or 111
>
> Has anyone used one of these Maxim ADC's, max110, and or max111?
> If so, did you have any problems with the part?
> Like setting the conversion time and resolution?
>
> I have the part calibrated on power up at 13bit, clk/4.
> Then read ch1 and ch2 with same setup (13bit, clk/4) and it almost works.
> Most of the time its output is 14 bit values (84h), but then on some
power
{Quote hidden}> cycles its output is 13 bit values (42h). No changes in the program.
> I am using a bench power supply set at 10mV (10mV per degree) to test my
> returned value.
>
> MAX 110/111 A/D 13 bit
> 0 - 8191 (8192) counts
> 150.756 uV (.000150756) per count
> ref. 1.235 10mV per degree
>
> 1.235/8192 = 1.507568359375e-4 or 150.756 uV
> .010/1.507568359375e-4 = 66.33198380567 counts per degree or 42h
>
> MAX 110/111 A/D 14 bit
> 0 - 16383 (16384) counts
> 150.756 uV (.000150756) per count
> ref. 1.235 10mV per degree
>
> 1.235/16384 = 7.537841796875e-5 or 75.378 uV
> .010/7.537841796875e-5 = 132.6639676113 counts per degree or
84h
>
> I have tried checking busy on power up before calibrating.
> I have tried on power up setting CS low, killing 100ms, setting CS high
to
> cancel out any noise induced signals to the ADC.
> I have tried on power up before calibrating sending dummy control words
> 00h,00h,80h,00h.
>
> Nothing seems to make the part reliable. If anyone has used this part
with
{Quote hidden}
ground
> on its PS/2 connector, normally pulled-up) to detect whether PS/2 or
RS-232
{Quote hidden}> protocol is required.
>
> Voltage requirements can be overcome by some neat use of transistors and
> zener diodes.
>
> I have upgraded my own Microsoft Mouse ver 2.0a (Serial only) to become
> switchable between PS/2 and RS-232 (just like Microsoft Mouse ver 2.0)
>
> Regards,
> Peter Tiang
>
> >>> Kevin Timmerman <
spamBeGoneopossum
MACATAWA.ORG> 26/July/1997 04:09am >>>
> >The protocol and voltages are differant. Some mice with a PS/2 plug can
adapt
> > to either with an adapter, some can not.
> >
> >On Friday, July 25, 1997 2:44 PM, Tim Kerby
[SMTP:spam_OUTtim.kerbySTOPspam
UKONLINE.CO.UK]
> > wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> ps/2 is the same as serial, just a different connector. I have seen
many
{Quote hidden}> >> elecrronics outlets deal simple adaptors between the differing wiring.
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:54:08 +1000
> From: Lee McLaren <
RemoveMElmclarenspam
TRUMPET.COM.AU>
> Subject: pip02 and pentium II
>
> Has anyone had problems with pip02 (and its device drivers) and a
> Pentium II processor?
> It used to work great with my dt001 but now since I have upgraded my
> mother board the device drivers and pip02 both come up with "Runtime
> error 200 at 0070:0029." It appears that the compiler used with the
> programs my not like my configuration.
> I know with a pent II I don't expect to get much simpathy.
>
> Regards
> Lee McLaren
> ph 018 138682
>
> ------------------------------
>
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