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1999\06\16@204154 by David Duffy

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Hi everyone,
I recall someone on the list saying that LED's pulsed for say 200% of their
'normal'
current at a 50% duty cycle appear brighter than 100% current for 100% duty
cycle
even though the maths says that it's all the same average current. Is this
something
to do with the human eye response ?  Does anyone have any real data on this ?
I want to make some 70mm 7 segment displays (from discrete LED's) and want
to get the best brightness/current performance. I plan to use diffused
hi-efficiency red
LEDs to get a reasonable viewing angle and brightness. I'm using a 16F84 to
drive the
displays via UCN5821A shift-register/latch/driver IC's which have an
'enable' pin that I
could drive from the PIC at a few hundred Hz to to get the pulsed output
drive. About
the only thing that worries me is if the output jams on & LED's cop the
high current
at 100% duty cycle for too long. Does anyone have any experience with this ?
Feel free to post direct back to me if you feel it's OT !
Regards...

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1999\06\17@084008 by Andy Kunz

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>I recall someone on the list saying that LED's pulsed for say 200% of their
>'normal'
>current at a 50% duty cycle appear brighter than 100% current for 100% duty
>cycle
>even though the maths says that it's all the same average current. Is this
>something
>to do with the human eye response ?  Does anyone have any real data on this ?

Provided the refresh rate is sufficiently high.

Your eye retains an image for ~ 1/60th second.  If you go slower than this,
the image fades and you can perceive the flicker.  If you go faster, the
decay rate is such that it can appear brighter.

Andy

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1999\06\17@090021 by hmiller

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Andy Kunz wrote:
>
> Provided the refresh rate is sufficiently high.
>
> Your eye retains an image for ~ 1/60th second.  If you go slower than this,
> the image fades and you can perceive the flicker.  If you go faster, the
> decay rate is such that it can appear brighter.
>
> Andy
====================

Andy, was this the reason for the choice of 60 cps AC power line
frequency?

Harley

1999\06\17@100332 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:56:53 -0500 "Harley L. Miller" <hmillerspamKILLspamSOUND.NET>
writes:
>Andy Kunz wrote:
>>
>> Provided the refresh rate is sufficiently high.
>>
>> Your eye retains an image for ~ 1/60th second.  If you go slower
>than this,
>> the image fades and you can perceive the flicker.  If you go faster,
>the
>> decay rate is such that it can appear brighter.
>>


       Is the attack time significantly shorter than the release (or decay)
time, making the eye tend to be a peak sensing device?  Or are these
times equal, making it more of an RMS detector?

Harold

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1999\06\17@103242 by Andy Kunz
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>        Is the attack time significantly shorter than the release (or decay)
>time, making the eye tend to be a peak sensing device?  Or are these
>times equal, making it more of an RMS detector?

Surprised you didn't get that in Drivers Ed.

The eye responds very quickly to light, slowly to dark.  This protects the
eye itself, though not your big toe very well <G>.

Peak sensing.  The decay is pretty slow, and depending upon the contrast
with surrounding images, may take MINUTES to be "normal" again.

Andy

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1999\06\17@135149 by Harold Hallikainen

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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:28:20 -0400 Andy Kunz <EraseMEsupportspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMONTANADESIGN.COM>
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>Surprised you didn't get that in Drivers Ed.

       May have had that in Drivers Ed 32 years ago or so.  Thanks for
the info!

Harold

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1999\06\17@160026 by Thomas McGahee

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The iris of the eye is the part of the eye that controls how much light
get into the eye itself. It reacts rapidly to light, but takes longer
to open up in the dark. I think that this is what Andy is alluding to.

While this is all correct, I don't think it enters in to why the eye
is more responsive to a pulsed light source that is being pulsed
more than 60 times per second. The flicker time varies for each
individual, but the lower limit is usually around 24 pulses per second
as far as image retention goes. That is why movie cameras were made
with 24 frames per second minimum.

The human eye is responsive to the peak value of illumination. An LED
pulsed with 200% current for 50% of the time will actually appear
*brighter* than the same LED run steady with 100% current for 100%
of the time. It is assumed here that the pulses have a repitition
rate greater than 24 pulses per second. Otherwise, as Andy pointed out
in an earlier post, the perceived intensity is also a function of
the repetition rate. Above about 40 pulses per second this perceived
increase in brightness levels out and is no longer a factor.

As the number of multiplexed LEDs increases, the percentage of *on* time
per LED becomes progressively less and less. Eventually you reach a
point where you can't get the necessary current into the device in the
required time without damaging the device. You can generally have about
eight LEDs or displays being multiplexed before you begin to experience
problems. For larger numbers of displays you break them down into
groups of 8 and multiplex the groups in parallel.

Besides the applicability of pulsing due to the human eye's response to it,
pulsing is also very useful when using infra-red LEDs. Remote controls
are almost always pulsed. In fact, if you want to get more than a couple
of feet covered, you almost *have* to pulse the IR LEDs. Note that
since current in a series circuit is the same through all the series
elements (non-reactive), you can string several LEDs in series and pulse
the whole string using the same amount of total energy that you would
have used to pulse just one. Instead of wasting the energy as heat in a
resistor, you recover it as more usefil light from the LEDs. Multiple
LEDs give you better 'coverage' than a single LED.

When pulsing LEDs it is important that the LEDs not be accidentally
left ON without pulsing them. If left statically ON for too long
you can damage them permanently. The digit strobes need to be turned
off explicitly early in the start-up sequence. It is also useful
to sometimes explicitly turn off all strobes at certain places, such as
at the beginning of your main programming loop.

Note also that if you are providing unequal timing to the digit selects,
then one or more of the digits will appear MUCH brighter than the others.
(This bug can be turned into a 'feature' if you need to highlight
a particular digit.)

You can't pulse LEDs with large currents by just connecting directly to the
port pins of a PIC, since the PIC prt pins will only source/sink a few
tens of milliamps. Use a transistor to activate the LEDs, and make sure
you use sufficient base drive by keeping the base resistor something
like 330 ohms instead of several thousands of ohms. A small capacitor
in parallel with the base resistor can sometimes help to speed up the
turn-on and turn-off of the transistor. Your Mileage May Vary.

Fr. Tom McGahee

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1999\06\17@165521 by Andy Kunz

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>The iris of the eye is the part of the eye that controls how much light
>get into the eye itself. It reacts rapidly to light, but takes longer
>to open up in the dark. I think that this is what Andy is alluding to.

I was talking about both.

>the repetition rate. Above about 40 pulses per second this perceived

Ah yes, I had forgotten about 40 Hz.  BTW, this varies greatly between men
and women, eye (and hair!) color (melanin content), age, and heritage.

>like 330 ohms instead of several thousands of ohms. A small capacitor
>in parallel with the base resistor can sometimes help to speed up the

We have used a cap as the current source for pulsing IR laser diodes to
increase lasing time (%-wise) and increase range of the message.

Andy

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1999\06\17@173017 by Thomas McGahee

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Another advantage of driving the IR LED from a local capacitor
is that you increase the current delivered *to* the LED while
reducing the peak currents being supplied via the power bus.

This in turn reduces strange intermittent problems that
sometimes arise due to the power gulping that would otherwise
take place. You still have to be careful about ground return
paths, because the current that the capacitor dumps into the
return path can wreak havoc with the poor PIC if you have not
explicitly designed the PC layout with this factor in mind.
Hint: keep the capacitor ground as close to the transistor's
emitter as you can. Then connect this emitter/capacitor
node to the regular ground via a separate trace. This way the
base current flows into the regular ground bus, but the
capacitor *discharge* current is kept pretty much isolated
because it is in a tight local loop.

For those who are not familiar with the technique of
using a local capacitor to dump directly into the LED:
you connect a current limiting resistor or inductor between
the power source and the anode of the LED. A capacitor
connects between the junction of this resistor and the anode,
with the other side of the cap connected to ground. The cathode
of the LED connects to the collector of an NPN transistor.
The emitter of the NPN connects to ground. You drive the
base of the NPN from the PIC via a resistor.

When the NPN is off, the capacitor charges somewhat
liesurely. When the NPN turns on, the cap discharges
through the LED with a vengeance. This can cause the
LED to operate in a *superluminant* mode. The only thing
that saves the LED from destruction is the fact that
in between these fast superluminant phases it gets to
recover somewhat. With this mode you WANT to keep the
duty cycle low and the pulse width fairly narrow. The
narrowness of the pulse can be easily attained by properly
choosing the value of the capacitor, as well as by limiting
the transistor 'on' time. Operate the transistor in saturated
mode... in other words, turn it on HARD! Otherwise you will
not get the full use out of the capacitor.

Fr. Tom McGahee

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> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 4:54 PM
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