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'PIC Development Tools [OT]'
1997\10\22@205539 by Dmitry Kiryashov

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Hello Andy .

> We need to keep this open, because engineers DO and MUST differ.  Even big
> guys.  Look, the USSR built its space program on solid-fuel boosters, the
> USA did it on liquid fuel.  The Soviets were first to launch a satellite,
> and the USA first (only) to land on the moon.  Does either make one right
> and the other wrong?

You are some wrong because ex-USSR build space rockets with liquid fuel
boosters.
And as i know USA made rockets with solid one .

WBR Dmitry .

1997\10\23@072923 by Andy Kunz

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>You are some wrong because ex-USSR build space rockets with liquid fuel
>boosters.
>And as i know USA made rockets with solid one .

Dmitry,

I was only pointing out the _basis_ for the programs.  The US uses solid
propellants in most combat missiles, and as supplemental boosters to liquid
fuels.  Historically, (that is, because of which Germans were taken captive
by which sides) the programs have been as they are.

Thanks for making me be more clear.

Andy

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1997\10\23@100334 by John A. Craft

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It's time for something completely different.

I love this, that stuff sucks, I hate them, they never ship on time,
they don't use flash

enough already.

Find the best answer for your solution, ok.

I'd say more, but I gotta go order my PIC Master.

Jc.

1997\10\24@101412 by Mike Smith

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-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Kunz <spam_OUTmontanaTakeThisOuTspamFAST.NET>
To: .....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, 23 October 1997 21:01
Subject: Re: PIC Development Tools [OT]


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We aim for the stars.  Sometimes we miss, and hit London instead.  <possible
misquote from Braun?>

>
>Thanks for making me be more clear.

[SLAP!]

MikeS
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'PIC Development Tools [OT]'
1997\11\05@113558 by Martin R. Green
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Actually, the USA uses both liquid and solid rockets on the shuttle
(the little side tanks are the solid boosters).  As I understand it,
liquid boosters can generate much more raw power than solid ones, but
must be kept supercooled prior to launch.  Solid boosters also need a
special hollow design (they burn from the inside out), but they are
reusable, whereas liquid boosters are not.

Boy, is THIS off topic!

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 04:53:01 +0300, Dmitry Kiryashov <EraseMEzewsspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTAHA.RU>
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1997\11\05@132235 by Scott Newell

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>Actually, the USA uses both liquid and solid rockets on the shuttle
>(the little side tanks are the solid boosters).  As I understand it,
>liquid boosters can generate much more raw power than solid ones, but
>must be kept supercooled prior to launch.  Solid boosters also need a
>special hollow design (they burn from the inside out), but they are
>reusable, whereas liquid boosters are not.
>
>Boy, is THIS off topic!

No kidding.

From the on-line Space Shuttle Reference Manual:
"The two SRBs [solid rocket boosters] provide 71.4 percent of the thrust at
lift- off and during first-stage ascent."

and:
"The main engines are reusable, high-performance, liquid-propellant rocket
engines with variable thrust."


http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/stsref-toc.html


later,
newell

1997\11\05@133756 by Harrison Cooper

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AND......sorry couldn't help but add this.....

are built and tested right here!  sometimes we can see the smoke from
the testing of these motors....

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1997\11\05@144834 by Scott Newell

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>AND......sorry couldn't help but add this.....
>
>are built and tested right here!  sometimes we can see the smoke from
>the testing of these motors....

Sounds interesting.  Do they ever run 'em up at night?

Never seen a launch, but I have seen the Shuttle go over a handful of
times.  (And a *bunch* of Mir passes.)


newell

1997\11\05@145239 by John A. Craft

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>Sounds interesting.  Do they ever run 'em up at night?
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Well, they test the main engines for the shuttle here at Stennis Space
Center MS

And yes I have seen em' tested at night.  Were up to 2 or 3 per week now.

Jc.


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1997\11\05@173325 by Herbert Graf

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From: Martin R. Green <spamBeGoneelimarspamBeGonespamNOSPAMBIGFOOT.COM>
To: TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU <RemoveMEPICLISTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 17:06
Subject: Re: PIC Development Tools [OT]


Actually, the USA uses both liquid and solid rockets on the shuttle
(the little side tanks are the solid boosters).  As I understand it,
liquid boosters can generate much more raw power than solid ones, but
must be kept supercooled prior to launch.  Solid boosters also need a
special hollow design (they burn from the inside out), but they are
reusable, whereas liquid boosters are not.


   The biggest drawback of the solids though is the fact they can't be shut
off, once they are burning, they stay burning until they run out of fuel.
TTYL

1997\11\05@224405 by Andy Tucker

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Well guy's We just lanched a Delta II at 7:30EST (310:00:30:00 GMT)
and it was great!!
It has a liquid main booster with 9 strap on solid boosters.

The Atlas booster is a liquid booster with a centaur upper stage.
It has the option for 4 strap on solids

The Titan has a liquid main booster and 2 solid strap ons with a centaur
upper stage


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1997\11\05@225455 by Ross McKenzie

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At 10:38 PM 11/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well guy's We just lanched a Delta II at 7:30EST (310:00:30:00 GMT)
>and it was great!!


So we can now say that the Delta II is one of several OVER the TOP [OT] PIC
Development Tools?


Regards,

Ross McKenzie
Melbourne Australia

1997\11\05@235002 by Ram Krishnan

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Sorry to continue this OT thread, but can't resist asking where in the U.S.
would be the best place to visit for rocket launch watching ? I want to go
see the shuttle take off some day, but the % of launches completed per
schedule is too low.

1997\11\06@001454 by tjaart

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Ram Krishnan wrote:
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> Sorry to continue this OT thread, but can't resist asking where in the U.S.
> would be the best place to visit for rocket launch watching ? I want to go
> see the shuttle take off some day, but the % of launches completed per
> schedule is too low.

You can come to Jo'burg in SA and watch a few taxi's break the new land
speed record... <VBG>

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1997\11\06@020524 by William Chops Westfield

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   Sorry to continue this OT thread, but can't resist asking where in the
   U.S.  would be the best place to visit for rocket launch watching ? I
   want to go see the shuttle take off some day, but the % of launches
   completed per schedule is too low.

That would depend on whether you're willing to include amateur, HPR, and
model rocketry in the things you'd like to see.  http://www.rocketryonline.com
is a good place to start.

NASA's launch schedules are online somewhere too...

BillW

1997\11\06@141224 by Philip Starbuck

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>    Sorry to continue this OT thread, but can't resist asking where in the
>    U.S.  would be the best place to visit for rocket launch watching ? I
>    want to go see the shuttle take off some day, but the % of launches
>    completed per schedule is too low.
>
>That would depend on whether you're willing to include amateur, HPR, and
>model rocketry in the things you'd like to see.  http://www.rocketryonline.com
>is a good place to start.
>
>NASA's launch schedules are online somewhere too...
>
>BillW

Try

http://www.osf.hq.nasa.gov/shuttle/futsts.html

http://shuttle.nasa.gov/index.html/

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1997\11\07@015437 by Eric van Es

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Scott Newell wrote:

> >AND......sorry couldn't help but add this.....
> >
> >are built and tested right here!

Um Harrisson - where is "here"?

> sometimes we can see the smoke from
> >the testing of these motors....
>
> Sounds interesting.  Do they ever run 'em up at night?
>
> Never seen a launch, but I have seen the Shuttle go over a handful of
> times.  (And a *bunch* of Mir passes.)
>
> newell

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