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'PCB layout and production?'
1998\05\07@162943 by John A. Craft

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In my current project, I've been using breadboarded circuits.  Now, how do
I go from that to PCB.

I don't have PCB software, and am not sure I want to learn something else.

Are there services to go from schematic to PCB?
How long, and how much?

As you can tell, If i've never gone to a production board before, and have
no clue on this.

help

Thanks.

John C.
spam_OUTcraftTakeThisOuTspamncs-ssc.com

1998\05\07@165635 by Andrew Warren

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John A. Craft <.....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> I don't have PCB software, and am not sure I want to learn something
> else.
>
> Are there services to go from schematic to PCB?
> How long, and how much?

John:

There are LOTS of PCB designers in the world... If you've already
chosen a board house to produce your boards, ask them if they have
a PCB designer on staff or if they can recommend one.

You might also find someone here on the list who'll be willing to do
your board.

Prices are usually quoted "per hole" (or "per pad" for surface-mount
boards)... Around here, the range is $1 - $2 per hole.

-Andy

=== Andrew Warren - fastfwdspamKILLspamix.netcom.com
=== Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California
=== http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499 (personal)
=== http://www.netcom.com/~fastfwd (business)

1998\05\07@170451 by John Shreffler

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-----Original Message-----
From:   Andrew Warren [SMTP:.....fastfwdKILLspamspam.....IX.NETCOM.COM]
Sent:   Thursday, May 07, 1998 5:54 PM
To:     EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: PCB layout and production?

John A. Craft <PICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> I don't have PCB software, and am not sure I want to learn something
> else.
>
> Are there services to go from schematic to PCB?
> How long, and how much?

John:

There are LOTS of PCB designers in the world... If you've already
chosen a board house to produce your boards, ask them if they have
a PCB designer on staff or if they can recommend one.

You might also find someone here on the list who'll be willing to do
your board.

Prices are usually quoted "per hole" (or "per pad" for surface-mount
boards)... Around here, the range is $1 - $2 per hole.

-Andy

=== Andrew Warren - @spam@fastfwdKILLspamspamix.netcom.com
=== Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California
=== http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499 (personal)
=== http://www.netcom.com/~fastfwd (business)

1998\05\07@182056 by Todd Kanning

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I recently faced the same situation; I had never done any layout or
etching before.  I jumped on the web did some searching and after
playing around with about three or four packages I finally decided to
work with PCTrace.  This is a schematic capture, autorouter(limited, but
it's a start) and PCB layout package.  PCTrace is a windows-intuitive
package and was quite easy to get used to.  In one afternoon I learned
how to generate a simple board and to generate a set of Gerber output
files.  Gerber is (I believe) the standard format for defining a PCB
layout.  This is what most etch houses request.  For $99.00 I was able
to advance my design from a hand-drawn schematic to a double-sided PCB
in only a few days.  And now that I've climbed the learning curve, my
next design will be even faster!  Check out http://www.eesoft.com to download
the full software package less the Gerber output capability.  You can
call and purchase the $99.00 software license and get a key over the
phone which will allow you to activate the full output capabilities.
       Once I generated the Gerber files I did some searching and located
Alberta Printed Circuits in Canada to do my etching.  I simply E-mailed
them my Gerber files and in less than a week, the boards were at my
house! (actually about three or four days)  Alberta charges a $48.00
tooling fee and then $0.68 per square inch of etched board.  There is a
limit to the hole density per square inch, but it is quite generous.
Their web sight is very informative and profiles all services.  It also
provides many helpful tips and walks the user through the ordering
process.  Check them out at http://www.apcircuits.com

       This was a great way to do things, especially for a moderate quantity
of boards (more than a prototype, but not a full industrial
production).  Now, I'd like to learn how to use photoresist PCBs so I
can generate my own etched PCBs in single quantities at home.

       Good luck!

       Regards,
               Todd

1998\05\07@191802 by Fred Dunn
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You can try http://www.expresspcb.com.  They offer design software and production.
You use their software to design the board and then send it over the
internet to them for production.  You can download the software for free.


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1998\05\07@192705 by Mike Keitz

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On Thu, 7 May 1998 17:05:23 -0400 John Shreffler <KILLspamjohnsKILLspamspamAVENUETECH.COM>
writes:

>Things are cheaper on the east coast, 1 to 2 cents per hole.

Andrew was talking about the one-time price for designing a board, not
the per-board price of manufacturing it.


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1998\05\07@215648 by smg

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If you send me a spec on your circuit, or better a sketch, I can help you.
We do schematic capture and PCB layout.  But we need something to quote on.
I assume your board is small and will not exceed 4 layers: quite possibly
it is only a 2 sided application. In any case, I can't help if I don't have
something to go on.



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> From: Fred Dunn <RemoveMEfdunnTakeThisOuTspamix.netcom.com>
> To: spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGonespamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: PCB layout and production?
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 7:07 PM
>
> You can try http://www.expresspcb.com.  They offer design software and
production.
> You use their software to design the board and then send it over the
> internet to them for production.  You can download the software for free.
>
>
> {Original Message removed}

1998\05\08@032619 by Stew Benedict

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I'm one of those layout guys. 10 years experience, military, NASA designs,
as well as consumer products (ballasts) for GE.  Just changed fields to
System Administration, but I've got the tools and am still doing contract
layout work - very reasonable.  Email me privately if you want to continue
the conversation.  My apologies to the list for blatant advertising.

Stew Benedict
AYS Enterprises

1998\05\08@040450 by Bill Cornutt

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I am glad that I now have two contacts for PCB development.

I have on ocassion been a 'grouch' on this list.  But
I don't want this to sound like I am grouching.

I am using MS Internet Explorer under Windows 3.1
and using the mail program that came with it.
My problem is that I only get a From: line
in the header and it all ways says "pic list".

If I want to see who posted the message I have to
go into the mail box with a text editor and try
to find the right message and then look through
the 'whole' header to find the email address
of the poster.  It takes longer to do it than
it did to write about what I have to do.

I try to all ways put my email address on anything
I post so that when I start answering myself, it will
be easier.  Plus I am proud of my new domain name.

Bill C.  TakeThisOuTbillEraseMEspamspam_OUTcornutt.com

1998\05\08@103004 by Andy Kunz

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>Are there services to go from schematic to PCB?
>How long, and how much?

Yes, most board houses can refer you to someone (provided of course that
you use them to make the PCB).

I use R&D Circuits http://www.rdcircuits.com for production boards because
they are local and I've been with them for years.  For proto stuff I use AP
Circuits http://www.apcircuits.com

Andy


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Andy Kunz - Statistical Research, Inc. - Westfield, New Jersey USA
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1998\05\08@172607 by Scientific Measurement Group

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Tell me what tools you have and how many layers you are competent with and
give me an idea of your rates.

1998\05\08@172607 by Scientific Measurement Group

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Tell me what tools you have and how many layers you are competent with and
give me an idea of your rates.

1998\05\09@054558 by Janet and Carl McIver

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Try http://www.expresspcb.com/  I haven't used these folks yet, but they
offer a free program that lets you make a PCB layout, send it to them via
the internet, and voila!  in a few days you have your boards.  I'll let you
get the prices from them, but I am told the price and service is unbeatable!
I am definitely impressed!



SO.....Whaddya really want??

Carl R, McIver  (usually)
or the wife (Janet) and kids

Pull your head out to send me e-mail!
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