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'PCB LAYOUT SOFTWARE'
1996\08\24@122343 by Walter Bak

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I am looking for some decent PCB layout software. I am fed up with SMwork.
WinBoard and WinDraft from Ivex are toys and it's a hell of a time to get
anything working together there and they are only up to 200 holes anyways!
OrCad seems to be the way to go, but it's hard to get it started. Is there
anything out there that does not cost $1,000,000 and can be used for
professional layouts?

Walter

1996\08\24@123223 by Walter Bak

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>To: Multiple recipients of list PICLIST <spam_OUTPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>From: .....agbakKILLspamspam@spam@ldn2.execulink.com (Walter Bak)
>Subject: PCB LAYOUT SOFTWARE
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>I am looking for some decent PCB layout software. I am fed up with SMwork.
WinBoard and WinDraft from Ivex are toys and it's a hell of a time to get
anything working together there and they are only up to 200 holes anyways!
OrCad seems to be the way to go, but it's hard to get it started. Is there
anything out there that does not cost $1,000,000 and can be used for
professional layouts?
>
>Walter
>

1996\08\24@123832 by Mark A. Corio

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Walter,

For professional projects I recommend OrCAD even though it is not cheap.
They are well featured, well supported and priced well compared to their
competition.  Others will have a different opinion and I think it is more an
issue of personal prefference (mine stated above) than it is about
performance-vs-price (most are similar).  Good luck chosing.

For non-professional work, there have been postings to this list about free
and cheap *simple* programs available on the web.  I have not reviewed them
as my interest is strictly professional (and I can do my hobbie work on OrCAD
in my office).

Mark A. Corio
Rochester MicroSystems, Inc.
200 Buell Road, Suite 9
Rochester, NY  14624
Tel:  (716) 328-5850 --- Fax:  (716) 328-1144
http://www.frontiernet.net/~rmi/

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1996\08\24@135907 by Terry Yingling

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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:22:18 -0400, you wrote:

>I am looking for some decent PCB layout software. I am fed up with SMwork.

Walter, have you considered Pads PCB and Pads Logic?  They both are shareware
and unlimited.

Later.

Terry

1996\08\24@161657 by Per Linne

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pic microcontroller discussion list:
> I am looking for some decent PCB layout software. I am fed up with SMwork.
> professional layouts?
>
> Walter
>
Walter,
you don't indicate your desired price target but:

I use EASY-PC Professional from Number One Systems of GB and I think it
is an very good price/performance product .255 - $475.

Number One Systems
Harding Way,
HUNTINGDON
Cambridgeshire, PE 17 4WR
Great Britain
Tel +44 1480 461778
Fax +44 1480 494042
e-mail: salesspamKILLspamnumberone.com

USA address:
Number One Systems
126 Smith Creek Drive
LOS GATOS, CA 95030
Tel&fax (408) 395-0249


Regards Per Linne

1996\08\24@162528 by John Payson

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> I am looking for some decent PCB layout software. I am fed up with SMwork.
> WinBoard and WinDraft from Ivex are toys and it's a hell of a time to get
> anything working together there and they are only up to 200 holes anyways!
> OrCad seems to be the way to go, but it's hard to get it started. Is there
> anything out there that does not cost $1,000,000 and can be used for
> professional layouts?

I personally rather like EasyTrax by Protel.  While they used to charge
$$$ for it, they've been giving it away free ever since they went to their
Windows-based PCB product.

Features:
 16-layers of copper plus power/ground planes, silks, keep-outs, etc.
 Continuitity testing
 Netlist export (for verifying design)
 Gerber, Postscript, plotter, or dot-matrix/laser output
 Macros
 No limits on number of pads, etc.
 90-degree rotation and XY flipping.

Limitations:
 640x480 screen mode unless you can find a driver for your display.
 No clearance checks.
 Library files aren't great (not bad either), but some people have come
 up with better ones which should be available on the web.

Conclusion: TRY THIS PRODUCT!  Search for EASYFREE.ZIP using Alta-Vista or
whatever.

1996\08\24@165436 by Clyde Smith-Stubbs

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Walter,

> I am looking for some decent PCB layout software. I am fed up with SMwork.
> WinBoard and WinDraft from Ivex are toys and it's a hell of a time to get
> anything working together there and they are only up to 200 holes anyways!
> OrCad seems to be the way to go, but it's hard to get it started. Is there
> anything out there that does not cost $1,000,000 and can be used for
> professional layouts?

I would recommend Protel. Check them out at http://www.protel.com - you should be
able to download demo versions. Their new autorouter is brilliant.

Clyde

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1996\08\24@182058 by William J Kitchen

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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:32:28 -0400 Walter Bak <agbakspamspam_OUTLDN2.EXECULINK.COM>
writes:
>I am looking for some decent PCB layout software. I am fed up with
SMwork.
>WinBoard and WinDraft from Ivex are toys and it's a hell of a time to
get
>anything working together there and they are only up to 200 holes
anyways!
>OrCad seems to be the way to go, but it's hard to get it started. Is there
>anything out there that does not cost $1,000,000 and can be used for
>professional layouts?

My personal favorite is the Windows based EDA tools from Protel.  It doesn't
come cheap, but it is very good.  If the price tag of Protel's
Windows tools is too much to justify, you might consider their older DOS
based package.  As far as I know, they still sell this for about $400USD
including both the schematic capture and PCB layout (Incl. a useable
autorouter)  programs.  It isn't nearly as fancy as the Windows tools,
but it is still quite capable of producing professional quality results.
I've used it in the past to do some fairly sophisticated VME bus
computer PCB layouts.  They also have a program called EasyTrax, which
is essentially just a somewhat limited version of their DOS based
AutoTrax program.  EasyTrax is distributed for free.  You can also get
demo versions of their Windows based tools at http://www.protel.com.

WJK

1996\08\25@051022 by Jim Main

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In article <@spam@199608242015.WAA10603KILLspamspammailbox.swip.net>, Per Linne
<KILLspamper.linneKILLspamspamMBOX200.SWIPNET.SE> writes
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>I use EASY-PC Professional from Number One Systems of GB and I think it
>is an very good price/performance product .255 - $475.
>
You have to be kidding don't you!!  I'd been using this product for 2 or
3 years and it was responsible for much loss of hair (haven't much left
now..)

The libraries you get with the standard product are pathetic IMO, and
not worthy of a product with the word 'professional' in the title.

Component generation seems to be a black art and very unforgiving of any
errors you might happen to make.

Schematic drawings don't support busses or even draw dots at nodes, so
your schematic drawings are going to look a bit odd.

Printer drives support is marginal - I had an A3 inkjet which wouldn't
print out A3 size schematics - had to go through a third party product
to get any sensible output.

I changed over to Seetrax Ranger 2, and bought the Cooper & Chyan
autorouter to go with it - both excellent products - I haven't looked
back....

--
Jim

..these views are my own and do not reflect any organisation I work for..

1996\08\25@121934 by H.G. Hindriks

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>I am looking for some decent PCB layout software. I am fed up with SMwork.
>WinBoard and WinDraft from Ivex are toys and it's a hell of a time to get
>anything working together there and they are only up to 200 holes anyways!
>OrCad seems to be the way to go, but it's hard to get it started. Is there
>anything out there that does not cost $1,000,000 and can be used for
>professional layouts?
>
>Walter
>
>

Hello,
The last 10 years i'm using ULTIboard (of Ultimate Technology, NL) for over
9 years (before i was using SMwork).
It is a very good program with a lot of features. There is an internetoffer
at the moment; the price is about US$79 excluding VAT. (for the 500 pin
version : Challenger Lite Version).

You can find/order Ultimate at : http://www.ultiboard.com

Greetings,
Harry Hindriks (PE1OXP)
Electronics Engineer


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1996\08\27@050507 by Geoff Wootton

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Just to add my vote for Protel. Its certainly worth downloading EASYTRAX
to take a look - the quality of this free software is a great advert for
their commercial products.

1996\08\27@134520 by Pekka Ritamaki

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>Just to add my vote for Protel. Its certainly worth downloading EASYTRAX
>to take a look - the quality of this free software is a great advert for
>their commercial products.
I also use Protel. I am first user in Europe ( Protel was invented in
Australia 1985) and I started use and sell it 1987. I have done many
hundreds of designs in every level from military to medical.
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FIN-33820 TAMPERE Finland http://www.sci.fi/~pri
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1996\08\30@205643 by eric p freischlag

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try using protel's simplest system.  i think it is freeware as a come on
to their more involved one, but it works very well.  i use the more
expensive
version, but the smaller version is a subset of that version, and should
give you good results.


'PCB LAYOUT SOFTWARE'
1996\09\04@172347 by R.Kunert
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Hi All,

i followed the Discussion obout PCB Software. I have downloaded Easytrax
from Protel's Web Site. It seems great for me. I have only a little
Problem with the Printout. I don't found a Driver for a HP-Deskjet
Printer (HP-Deskjet 550 C). Where can i get such a Driver. And
additional, where can i get Librarys for Easytrax.

Thanks



Ralf

1996\09\04@193647 by Ken Parkyn

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R.Kunert wrote:
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> Hi All,
>
> i followed the Discussion obout PCB Software. I have downloaded Easytrax
> from Protel's Web Site. It seems great for me. I have only a little
> Problem with the Printout. I don't found a Driver for a HP-Deskjet
> Printer (HP-Deskjet 550 C). Where can i get such a Driver. And
> additional, where can i get Librarys for Easytrax.
>
> Thanks
>
Dear Ralf;

1.      If your Deskjet can emulate HP laserjet there are
       drivers for that.
       If you haven't got them in the files you received from
       Protel, email me.
2.      You make up your own libraries.
       again, if you email me I may have something to help.
Cheers,

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1996\09\04@195928 by Robert Lunn

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At 04:39 AM 30/08/96 -0700, you wrote:

>i followed the Discussion obout PCB Software. I have downloaded Easytrax
>from Protel's Web Site. It seems great for me. I have only a little
>Problem with the Printout. I don't found a Driver for a HP-Deskjet
>Printer (HP-Deskjet 550 C). Where can i get such a Driver. And
>additional, where can i get Librarys for Easytrax.

       I use Protel Autotrax.  I have found it much better to
       always output HPGL plotter format data to a disk file,
       and then use one of the many available shareware pack-
       ages to translate this file to output suitable for
       specific printers.

       Doing this gives significantly improved output quality.

       It also gives you ready access to printers for which
       drivers are not supplied by Protel (such as 600 dpi
       drivers for the HP Laserjet 5L).

       It is a long time since I looked at Easytrax, but I
       would guess you can do the same thing.

___Bob

1996\09\04@221334 by Bob Blick

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>. I don't found a Driver for a HP-Deskjet
>Printer (HP-Deskjet 550 C). Where can i get such a Driver.

The 550C should work fine with HP Laserjet drivers, I've treated mine as
such with other software with no problems.

-Bob

1996\09\04@222827 by optoeng

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Bob Blick wrote:
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> >. I don't found a Driver for a HP-Deskjet
> >Printer (HP-Deskjet 550 C). Where can i get such a Driver.



Available at the HP website:

http://www-dmo.external.hp.com:80/peripherals/main.html

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'PCB Layout Software'
1998\11\28@072716 by Alan Nickerson
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I dont really want to re-hash an old topic. But I was wondering if there is
any really good shareware or freeware PCB Layout software.

Alan

1998\11\28@075907 by Keith Doxey

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Hi Alan,

I use ARESLITE for PCB's and ISISLITE for schematics.
Both available from http://www.labcenter.co.uk as shareware.
The shareware has an annoying nag screen but to register
the programs is only 20UKP (30$) each or 30UKP (45$)
for the pair. I find both the programs easy to use and they
do exactly what I want.

Keith
http://www.btinternet.com/~krazy.keith
Krazy Keith's World of DIY Home Automation

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Subject:        PCB Layout Software

I dont really want to re-hash an old topic. But I was wondering if there is
any really good shareware or freeware PCB Layout software.

Alan

1998\11\28@103358 by bob

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Alan,

If you have access to a Linux or other Unix machine, there is GPL'd PCB layout
program called, inventively enough, "PCB". It is a Unix/X11 port of the old
Atari PCB program from the early '90s. The bulk of the work was done by Thomas
Nau, but most recent maintenace work has been done by Harry Eaton. The most
recent stable release is 1.6.3 which was released in May '98. This version
has Gerber RS274X and NC drill file output, eight layers, some netlist support,
and SMD capability. It does not do autorouting. There are about 1200 parts
defined including around a dozen PICs; it is straightfoward to add more. There
is a 67-page manual and a tri-fold reference card included in the source
distribution.

I've only tinkered with it a little and have never used it all the way to a
physical PCB, so I can't say what sorts of problems it has. But it does seem to
have a fair bit of promise.

You can find the .tar.gz'd sources at ftp://ftp.linuxppc.org/pub/linuxppc/users/
harry/PCB/
or ftp://ftp.uni-ulm.de/pub/pcb/mirror/ . Since it is GPL'd, the PCB
program and the source are freely available, and you can make whatever
enhancements you wish.

--Bob

On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, you wrote:
>I dont really want to re-hash an old topic. But I was wondering if there is
>any really good shareware or freeware PCB Layout software.
>
>Alan
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1998\11\28@105716 by Gabriel Gonzalez

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Try Eagle Light from http://www.cadsoftusa.com, it is free.

Calvin

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Subject: PCB Layout Software


>I dont really want to re-hash an old topic. But I was wondering if there is
>any really good shareware or freeware PCB Layout software.
>
>Alan

1998\11\28@193405 by Mark A Moss

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Ivex's WinBoard Demo is decent for shareware.  Limitation is that designs
are limited to 100 pins unless you want to pay for the full version.

Ivex website: http://www.ivex.com

Mark Moss
Amateur Radio Operator, Technician, and General Tinkerer


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>I dont really want to re-hash an old topic. But I was wondering if
>there is
>any really good shareware or freeware PCB Layout software.
>
>Alan
>


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1998\11\28@205319 by Valter Gruntar

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The WinBoard is good enough but WinDraft not. I tried it shareware and full
working version and both crashed some times without reason. In this case you
lose your work. You stil have backup copies of autosave funkcion but every
ten minutes you can do big work on shematic.In WinBoard, when you try to
select a part or silk on one side of PCB, you never know what WinBoard will
select, if there is another part (or trace, or ...) on the other side of PCB.
ex.: on the same position on the PCB are two parts, one on the TOP layer the
other on the BOTTOM layer. When clicking on top layer part you can select
meny things:(top part, bottom part, top silk, bottom silk etc) In the
"protel98" in the same situacion it will ask you what do you want to select.
This is a big advantage. For auto place and auto router in protel98 - no
coments, maybe just: EXELENT. Wd and Wb by Ivex there is no auto place and
auto route. The Ivex's library editor isn't so good as protel98's.
This is just for comparsion. I've used Ivex products for more then a year but
now i found out the protel98. It's really very good.

Valter

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1998\11\28@222707 by bob

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On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, Valter Gruntar wrote:
> In the
>"protel98" in the same situacion it will ask you what do you want to select.
>This is a big advantage. For auto place and auto router in protel98 - no
>coments, maybe just: EXELENT. Wd and Wb by Ivex there is no auto place and
>auto route. The Ivex's library editor isn't so good as protel98's.
>This is just for comparsion. I've used Ivex products for more then a year but
>now i found out the protel98. It's really very good.

Sounds nice; I found their website... but how much does it cost? They don't list
a price on the website and are giving away a free Palm Pilot Pro with new
orders -- certainly I would expect it to cost significantly more than the Palm
Pilot... :-)

I requested a demo CD anyway...

--Bob

1998\11\30@044041 by Wolfgang Willenbrink

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Gi PiCcies,

try out the following german WWW-page! They offer a very powerful PCB-editor
(with some PIC-related examples).
Greetings

Wolfgang

http://www.ibfriedrich.de

1998\11\30@123826 by uter van ooijen / floortje hanneman

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> Ivex's WinBoard Demo is decent for shareware.  Limitation is that designs
> are limited to 100 pins unless you want to pay for the full version.

But it's quite buggy, so save your work VERY often!
Wouter.

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