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1999\02\25@102140 by A & S

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Is Wolfgang a monitor of this list? I realize that some people may
have time based charges associated with their internet usage, but my
guess is that it is a very small number of users overall. To complain
that a 63K jpg should not be sent to the list may be correct, but I
can make use of the information it contained, and if it was not sent
to the list I would have never seen it. Several days ago he e-mailed
me and said that I should not post in HTML. Well, my mail program is
set to plain text, but the message I was replying to was in HTML so my
mail program thought it would be nice to reply in kind. I suppose that
I will need my flame suit on after this, but I did try to e-mail
Wolfgang to discuss these issues, but my message bounced back and
indicated that he does not accept e-mail from me. Seems one-way
(especially if he is a monitor and would like to keep list postings on
topic)!

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Andrew MacDonald

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1999\02\25@104601 by Wolfgang Kynast

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Hi Andrew,

AS> Is Wolfgang a monitor of this list?

No. Just occasionally annoyed by the lack of politeness, common
sense and ignorance of netiquette by those sending unneccessary
overhead to such a large list.

...
AS> but I did try to e-mail
AS> Wolfgang to discuss these issues, but my message bounced back and
AS> indicated that he does not accept e-mail from me.

Sorry , not intentionaly. Could you pls. send me this bounce
message? The only reason I bounce messages is if they contain
an MS-TNEF attachment.

Regards,
Wolfgang
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1999\02\25@105433 by Tjaart van der Walt

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A & S wrote:
>
> Is Wolfgang a monitor of this list? I realize that some people may
> have time based charges associated with their internet usage, but my
> guess is that it is a very small number of users overall. To complain
> that a 63K jpg should not be sent to the list may be correct, but I
> can make use of the information it contained, and if it was not sent
> to the list I would have never seen it. Several days ago he e-mailed
> me and said that I should not post in HTML. Well, my mail program is
> set to plain text, but the message I was replying to was in HTML so my
> mail program thought it would be nice to reply in kind. I suppose that
> I will need my flame suit on after this, but I did try to e-mail
> Wolfgang to discuss these issues, but my message bounced back and
> indicated that he does not accept e-mail from me. Seems one-way
> (especially if he is a monitor and would like to keep list postings on
> topic)!
>
> Begin Flames

No flames. No monitor.

This list is quite big, one should be cognisant of this when
sending anything to the list. The members use all the mailing
programs you can think of, and then some. Not all of these
mailers respond well to attachements ot HTML. It could be
said that it is rude to send them reams of what their mailers
construe as junk, and to keep them online for longer than is
necessary. If your picture wasted $0.5 of 50% of the list
members, you wasted probably close on $250 of other peoples
money.

This is the problem. The solution is to post big files on a
web site from where it can be downloaded by interested parties.
Many of the list members have indicated the willingness to
post such files (myself included). HTML in email is very nice
if you want to impress your grandmother with dazzling messages,
but again - not everyone can (or want to) handle this.

Wolfgang is probably just pissed with seeing rude postings
(just as I am) and let some steam off. Hopefully you won't
hold a grudge, and others think twice before hitting the
'attach' button.

I have decided, in principle, to ignore postings that :
1) Have no subject line
2) Have a "Help me" - type subject lines
3) Contain *any* Windows vs Unix vs Mac blah f*cking blah blah
4) Contain *any* Netscape vs MS Explorer blah f*cking blah blah
5) Contain old timers dreaming about the good old days
6) Contain HTML
7) Contain those stupid name cards
8) Contain the Gutenberg bible in multiple quotes

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1999\02\25@105848 by Fansler, David

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Don't feel alone with having been chastised by Wolfgang - I got it once too
when a message went out in non-plain text format.  Rules are good, but
non-flexibility is not a healthy way to look at life.
Also donning flame suit :-)

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1999\02\25@134826 by Marc

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> I realize that some people may
> have time based charges associated with their internet usage, but my
> guess is that it is a very small number of users overall.

Almost all non-US members pay time-based.  I do, too.

But with me it's fine to post a 63k jpeg.

I think when someone thinks the file is on-topic (at least as on-topic
as other postings usually seen here) and cares about bandwidth (for
example by compressing the file), it's ok.

After all I subscribed to the list to receive information,
not to _not_ receive it.

1999\02\25@141717 by Mark Willis

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Marc wrote:
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> > I realize that some people may
> > have time based charges associated with their internet usage, but my
> > guess is that it is a very small number of users overall.
>
> Almost all non-US members pay time-based.  I do, too.
>
> But with me it's fine to post a 63k jpeg.
>
> I think when someone thinks the file is on-topic (at least as on-topic
> as other postings usually seen here) and cares about bandwidth (for
> example by compressing the file), it's ok.
>
> After all I subscribed to the list to receive information,
> not to _not_ receive it.

 If someone will help me find a shareware application that'll mutate
.JPGs into .GIFs and so on, I'll put notes to that effect in the
Mini-FAQ, I need to get that done soon, don't I?  (Off-list is fine!)

 Right now I don't even have the capability to take a 64k .jpg from
Robin's digital camera & crop it down to just show part of the photo,
there are times I'd look for a Win 3.x retailware app (I see
applications in local swap meets etc. often enough) but I don't know
what to look for!

 And it's nice to have a shareware/freeware app listed in the FAQ,
perhaps one of us US folks with "unlimited" bandwidth could get set up
and crunch things for those who don't have $300 photo software (If I got
around to installing my scanner or re-installing the Kodak camera
software, maybe I DO have software here, too.  Got the kitchen
wheelchair-accessible for Robin, maybe now I can get some computer work
done without being run over!)

 I'd do it but I'd be awful SLOW at crunching files for people.  Could
have someone throw the files into a web page, optimized for quick
access, be a good solution here?

 Mark

1999\02\25@165756 by Dan Larson

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On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:53:32 +0100, Marc wrote:

>> I realize that some people may
>> have time based charges associated with their internet usage, but my
>> guess is that it is a very small number of users overall.
>
>Almost all non-US members pay time-based.  I do, too.
>
>But with me it's fine to post a 63k jpeg.
>
>I think when someone thinks the file is on-topic (at least as on-topic
>as other postings usually seen here) and cares about bandwidth (for
>example by compressing the file), it's ok.
>
>After all I subscribed to the list to receive information,
>not to _not_ receive it.
>


I agree with this as well.

My particular mail program (PMMail) allows me set up a size
limit on messages downloaded. Since very few text messages
exceed 64K in size, setting the limit at 64K would do a good
job of ignoring those annoyingly sized messages!

I can also make filters that may help, though I have not
felt the need to go through that much trouble yet.
The flaming that large posts gets does however seem to work
rather well all by itself at keeping folks from sending huge
files <VBG>.


What irritates me *more* than the occasional attachment is
HTML mail or messages sent as DOC files. GGRRRR!
Plain text is the only kind of mail that I want to see.

Dan

1999\02\25@180551 by Marcos Migliorini

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After all I subscribed to the list to receive information,
not to _not_ receive it.

I am agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

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1999\02\26@065615 by caisson

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> Van: A & S <amacdspamspam_OUTEARTHLINK.NET>
> Aan: @spam@PICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Onderwerp: OT (Wolfgang Kynast - HTML - JPG's)
> Datum: donderdag 25 februari 1999 16:16
>
> Is Wolfgang a monitor of this list? I realize that some people may
> have time based charges associated with their internet usage, but my
> guess is that it is a very small number of users overall.

I do not pay my Internet-usage on a Time-based scale.  But I've got a
Dial-up link, and although it is local, the meter of my phone company ticks
happily.  So, indirectly I do pay on a Time-based scale.  So do allmost
(AFAIK) all European countries.

Greetz,
 Rudy Wieser


'OT (Wolfgang Kynast - HTML - JPG's)'
1999\03\01@093511 by Eric Oliver
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Mark,

You may already be aware of this but Jasc Software makes a shareware
product for about $80 that is =excellent= !  I have used it to create many
professional looking splash screens and for web design.  It will read a
myriad of image formats and has the capability to batch convert between
various formats.  And no I don't work for Jasc <g>.  http://www.jasc.com

Eric



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