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'Mini-FAQ work-up (was Re: Unsubscribe)'
1998\12\02@141231 by Mark Willis

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Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
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> Mark Willis wrote:
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> >   Folks:  I've started zapping off a canned "Here's how to
> > unsubscribe" sheet to these folks, you can ignore 'em if you want to
> > <G>
>
>   I think you may have failed to mention that sending HTML to the
> listserver is not going to work either.  Gotta cover all options!
> --
>   Cheers,
>         Paul B.

 cc'ed to Jory - Might as well keep this short but make it more robust,
to solve all likely problems!  <G>

 Ya know, that's REALLY a good point, Paul!  I will add in an etiquette
summary (Talking with Jory, he'd said he'd be happy to have me put a
monthly mini-FAQ out, so if anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to
hear 'em.  Jory's the list god, here, of course, but he's busy - so
whatever will make the list flow smoother, I'll go for - and if he's
unhappy, I'll change it <G>)  What I have right now is:

 Subject line, something like "PICList Mini-FAQ {Revised Dec. 02, 1998}
- How to unsubscribe"

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   ETIQUETTE

HTML posts are not workable on the PICList;  Many recipients on the
PICList cannot read your post if you have HTML turned on when you post.
Please turn HTML off when you post to the PICList, for fellow list
members' sake!  Many pieces of newer software (Particularly NetScape,
MSIE, and Outlook Express) start off with HTML ON as the default for all
posts.  Also, you might look for the "Address Book Card" option and
disable it (It just wastes bandwidth for most people on the PICList.)

 {MW note:  Anyone want to work on a quick web page on how to set up
different browsers properly to work with the PicList?  I just use
NetScape right now, may try Opera next}

The list is for the purpose of discussing PICs for the most part, some
humor happens here of course, keep it in balance, though, please - if
you MUST post humor to the list, please cut off all the forwards and so
on to keep the post size down, some people pay per byte they get in
e-mail, so think minimalist here.  {MW Note: Trying to say to just keep
it to the setup & punch line <G>}

Binaries should be for the most part kept OFF the list (Post a URL for
people to download it themselves, or e-mail to just those who request
it), for the same reason;  Source code is treated differently, if you
need to show a piece of code to ask for help in debugging it, but if you
can put it on a web page that's perhaps even better & is {MW Note: I
think?  Folks?} preferred.

   HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE

There is ONLY one way that works to get off the list.  DO NOT post to
the list.  A post to the list goes to all subscribers, gets everyone
angry with you;  And, you don't get off the list that way!

Do NOT post to me requesting an unsubscribe.  I CANNOT unsubscribe
you. I will simply delete your request, perhaps after sending you
a copy of this Mini-FAQ.  YOU and only you can unsubscribe yourself.

 Post to:

spam_OUTLISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (i.e. .....LISTSERVKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU)

from the address at which you are subscribed containing nothing but

unsubscribe PICList

in the first line of the message, from the address at which you are
subscribed.  This is automatically executed.  The message must contain
the exact words "unsubscribe PICList", no other spelling works.  AND,
you must have HTML turned OFF, or the list server will NOT understand
what you're saying.

 If you are trying to unsubscribe from an address different from the
one you subscribed from, you must include that original address like
this:  on the first line of the message:
unsubscribe PICList <oldaddress>

 Good luck!

 Mark Willis, mwillisspamKILLspamnwlink.com

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 Mark

1998\12\02@144943 by Matt Bonner

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Mark,

A couple of suggestions/additions:
1. Off topic posts should have [OT] somewhere in the subject line, not
   [ot], not {OT}, etc.  (to keep a manageable number of filters)
2. Descriptive subject lines (eg: "Problem with TMR0 interrupt",
   not "Question")

Thanks for the good work, Matt

1998\12\05@115126 by Adriano De Minicis

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Hi Mark,

I have one more suggestion for the mini-FAQ:

- For everybody that receive piclist as a daily digest:
 Be sure to correct manually the subject line as appropriate when
 replying to a message, otherwise the reply will appear with a
 subject like "Re: PICLIST Digest - 2 Dec 1998 to 3 Dec 1998".

Adriano

1998\12\06@222923 by Mark Willis

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Good suggestions from jcline, mbonner, adriadm & jory incorporated,
how's this:

 I haven't done tons of HTML, Jonathan;  I have an HTML to Text tool,
I'll play with that as we go here.  I'd throw this at my web space at
NWLink, if I do that.  (Might change ISP's eventually, so I may snag web
space elsewhere.)

 Subject line, something like "PICList Mini-FAQ {Revised Dec. 06, 1998}
- How to unsubscribe"

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   LIST ETIQUETTE

 HTML posts are not workable on the PICList;  Many recipients on the
PICList cannot read your post if you have HTML turned on when you post.
Please turn HTML off when you post to the PICList, for fellow list
members' sake!  Many pieces of newer software (Particularly NetScape,
MSIE, and Outlook Express) start off with HTML ON as the default for all
posts.  Also, you might look for the "Address Book Card" option and
disable it (It just wastes bandwidth for most people on the PICList.)

 {MW note:  Anyone want to work on a quick web page on how to set up
different browsers properly to work with the PicList?  I just use
NetScape right now, may try Opera next}

 Off topic posts should start with [OT], or at least include it
somewhere in the subject line, not [ot], not {OT}, etc.  (This lets
users who get lots of e-mail keep a manageable number of filters.)

 Try to use descriptive subject lines (eg: "Problem with TMR0
interrupt", or "16F84 Oscillator not starting", not "Question" or "Help
Me!")

 Also, if you set the PICList to send you a daily digest:  Be sure to
correct manually the subject line as appropriate when replying to a
message, otherwise the reply will appear with a subject like
 "Re: PICLIST Digest - 2 Dec 1998 to 3 Dec 1998", not
 "Re: 16F84 Oscillator not starting" which was what you were replying
to, and it will fragment the discussion somewhat.

 The list is for the purpose of discussing PICs for the most part, some
humor happens here of course, keep it in balance, though, please - if
you MUST post humor to the list, please cut off all the forwards and so
on to keep the post size down, some people pay per byte they get in
e-mail, so think minimalist here.  {MW Note: Trying to say to just keep
it to the setup & punch line <G>}

 Binaries should be for the most part kept OFF the list (Post a URL for
people to download it themselves, or e-mail to just those who request
it), for the same reason;  Source code is treated differently, if you
need to show a piece of code to ask for help in debugging it, but if you
can put it on a web page that's perhaps even better & is {MW Note: I
think?  Folks?} preferred.  {Some really like the code in-line, as they
read the PICList off-line; so maybe that should be Binaries NO, Source
Yes?}

 Replies automatically get sent to the PIClist by default.  So, if you
intend a personal reply, make sure you're sending to the right
address (remove the PICList from the addresses in your e-mail program.)

   HANDY LINKS

 {What I want to have here is just a few handy links that'll get
newbies off & running, not necessarily one comprehensive list - A
pointer *to* a comprehensive list would be ideal.  I've used David
Tait's PIC links, so I put that in here, I'll definitely take
suggestions, maybe make a link to a comprehensive list?  Is there a PIC
WebRing?}

 Microchip Corporation, Manufactures PICs:
http://www.microchip.com/
 PICList Archive:
http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/ ?????.  {MW Note: I'm offline & I'm not
sure which of several URLs I have is the right one;  Someone please
remind me & I'll fix this <G>}
 Jonathan's PICmicro Meta-URL List:
www.ee.calpoly.edu/~jcline/pic-links.htm
 David Tait's PIC Links:
http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbhstdj/files/piclinks.html

   FFFAQ - Very-frequently asked questions

 The differences between the 16C84 and the 16F84 are, that the F84 part
has more register space & more program space & EEProm storage, and that
some of the code protection bits are inverted - and there are more code
protection options.  If you don't code protect your 16x84 parts, you
should be able to interchange most everything else - reading the data
sheets, of course, is a GOOD idea, as always, they are on Microchip's
web pages.  {From memory, corrections for better accuracy welcomed, I've
been meaning to re-read these data sheets, mostly 16C622 & 16C66 stuff
until lately. <G>}

   LIST SERVER COMMANDS

 {I'll put a quick "how to get a refcard" summary in here, just a
1-liner, for Folks needing to look up Set Repro, etc.}

   HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE

 There is ONLY one way that works to get off the list.  Please, DO NOT
post to the whole list.  A post to the list goes to all subscribers,
gets everyone angry with you;  And, you don't get off the list that way!

Do NOT post to me requesting an unsubscribe.  I CANNOT unsubscribe
you. I will simply delete your request, perhaps after sending you
a copy of this Mini-FAQ.  YOU and only you can unsubscribe yourself.

 Post to:

.....LISTSERVKILLspamspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU (i.e. EraseMELISTSERVspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU)

from the address at which you are subscribed, containing nothing but

unsubscribe PICList

in the first line of the message, from the address at which you are
subscribed.  This is automatically executed.  The message must contain
the exact words "unsubscribe PICList", no other spelling works.  AND,
you must have HTML turned OFF, or the list server will NOT understand
what you're saying.

 If you are trying to unsubscribe from an address different from the
one you subscribed from, you must include that original address like
this:  on the first line of the message:
unsubscribe PICList <oldaddress>

 Good luck!

 Mark Willis, mwillisspamspam_OUTnwlink.com

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