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1998\10\25@134621 by Mark Willis

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Hi, all.  On a related topic (for once?), is anyone else having this
same problem?

 When I jump to, for example,
http://www.microchip.com/0/Lit/PICmicro/16C6X/index.htm, my browser
takes "forever" to load the web page - and loads it twice during that
process, to boot.  {Happens with most similar pages, really.}

 More exact symptoms:  Modem downloads the page in a pretty big hurry,
but the whole system then "just sits there forever" (30+ seconds),
flashes the page on-screen, clears the page & waits "forever" again,
then re-displays the page.

 Hit Reload:  For 5 seconds the progress bar shows activity, then for
33 seconds the on-screen clock stops {AtomClk, nice app}, no HDD
activity, no nothing, then it finally decides to display everything.
It's -obnoxious-...  And it's not a modem speed problem <G>

 (Just upgraded to Netscrape 4.07 US version, under WFW 3.11 / Dos
6.22, Pentium 133, 64 Mb EDO Ram, pretty well set up system, External
56k USR Sportster modem, TWSK2.0B, 56k provider.  Posts in the past to
uChip webmaster have not gotten responses yet.)

 Is anyone else having as large of a web page display pause as I am?
Or is it just me?  If my embedded machines are turned off, I like to be
able to still look things up on the web, but this really is
frustrating...

 Mark, spam_OUTmwillisTakeThisOuTspamnwlink.com

1998\10\25@141045 by Stephen Holland

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I'm seeing the exact same thing happening to me. I've looked at the html
source and I don't see anything out of the ordinary there. I have noticed
the same thing happening on other sites as well so it might just be
Netscape...

Stephen Holland


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1998\10\25@143414 by shadedemon

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You're not the only one.  It seems to be something between
the site and Netscape 4.0+, my 3.01 copy has no problems
with it.

Mark Willis wrote:
>
> Hi, all.  On a related topic (for once?), is anyone else having this
> same problem?
>
>   When I jump to, for example,
> http://www.microchip.com/0/Lit/PICmicro/16C6X/index.htm, my browser
> takes "forever" to load the web page - and loads it twice during that
> process, to boot.  {Happens with most similar pages, really.}

1998\10\25@150039 by Mark Willis

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(Thanks to Stephen H. for his reply as well!)

 I've been meaning to stick Netscape 3.something on one machine, maybe
this knowledge'll motivate me <G>  Thanks for this data, Alan!

 (Does MSIE do this, anyone?  The <ack> Win95 box should be up here in
a few days, it'll run MSIE, I could use it <G>)

 Mark

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1998\10\25@152330 by Clyde Smith-Stubbs

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On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 10:44:04AM -0800, Mark Willis wrote:
>   When I jump to, for example,
> http://www.microchip.com/0/Lit/PICmicro/16C6X/index.htm, my browser
> takes "forever" to load the web page - and loads it twice during that
> process, to boot.  {Happens with most similar pages, really.}

I see something similar to you, except the second load is quite quick. The reaso
n
for it seems to be that the entire page is a big table (with embedded tables) an
d
even though all the GIFs on the page seem to have their sizes specified in
the HTML, Netscape 4 reloads the table after all the images have been loaded,
presumably in case the table needs resizing (it doesn't!). The fact the second
load is quite quick for me is because things are cached, but I would presume
you have caching turned on in Netscape anyway. I do however go via a local
proxy server, which is connected to my machine via 10baseT Ethernet, so
maybe that's where the page is reloaded from.

I do think it's a Netscape problem rather than anything else. The main page itse
lf
is quite large (16K) but it should only need to be loaded once. Try viewing the
page with another browser, e.g. Opera.

Regards, Clyde

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1998\10\25@161416 by Eduardo R.

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>  Is anyone else having as large of a web page display pause as I am?
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Using a PC with simiral characteristics and Explorer V 3.02  browser, I
have experienced same difficulties trying to access document 30430 from
Microchip web page.


At 10:44 AM 10/25/98 -0800, you wrote:>
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1998\10\25@183146 by James Cameron

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Mark Willis wrote:
> Hi, all.  On a related topic (for once?), is anyone else having this
> same problem?

Data point: 23 seconds on an Alpha 266MHz running UNIX with Netscape
4.0x with Ethernet connection to Internet.  Yes, an apparent freeze
occurs for some time, during which Netscape's activity icon is frozen as
well.

I recommend they simplify the page design.

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1998\10\25@211710 by Brian Gracia

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At 10:44 AM 10/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi, all.  On a related topic (for once?), is anyone else having this
>same problem?
>
>  When I jump to, for example,
>http://www.microchip.com/0/Lit/PICmicro/16C6X/index.htm, my browser
>takes "forever" to load the web page - and loads it twice during that
>process, to boot.  {Happens with most similar pages, really.}
>
>  More exact symptoms:  Modem downloads the page in a pretty big hurry,
>but the whole system then "just sits there forever" (30+ seconds),
>flashes the page on-screen, clears the page & waits "forever" again,
>then re-displays the page.
>
>  Hit Reload:  For 5 seconds the progress bar shows activity, then for
>33 seconds the on-screen clock stops {AtomClk, nice app}, no HDD
>activity, no nothing, then it finally decides to display everything.
>It's -obnoxious-...  And it's not a modem speed problem <G>
>
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>
>  Mark, @spam@mwillisKILLspamspamnwlink.com
>


I have the same problem at times.  I am running win98, was win95.  I think
Micro$oft considers Netscape a virus and does not like it.  When I use the
Micro$oft browser, I do not get this problem.

Brian

1998\10\26@022829 by Morgan Olsson

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At 06:22 1998-10-26 +1000, Regards, Clyde wrote:
>On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 10:44:04AM -0800, Mark Willis wrote:
>>   When I jump to, for example,
>> http://www.microchip.com/0/Lit/PICmicro/16C6X/index.htm, my browser
>> takes "forever" to load the web page - and loads it twice during that
>> process, to boot.  {Happens with most similar pages, really.}
>
>I see something similar to you, except the second load is quite quick. The
reason
>for it seems to be that the entire page is a big table (with embedded
tables) and
>even though all the GIFs on the page seem to have their sizes specified in
>the HTML, Netscape 4 reloads the table after all the images have been loaded,
>presumably in case the table needs resizing (it doesn't!). The fact the
second
>load is quite quick for me is because things are cached, but I would presume
>you have caching turned on in Netscape anyway. I do however go via a local
>proxy server, which is connected to my machine via 10baseT Ethernet, so
>maybe that's where the page is reloaded from.
>
>I do think it's a Netscape problem rather than anything else. The main
page itself
>is quite large (16K) but it should only need to be loaded once. Try
viewing the
>page with another browser, e.g. Opera.

Same here, but not that long times, although on an old 90MHz Pentium.
That migt be because I also have a local proxy and 56K modem on the same
machine.
And I too use Opera.  Opera works much faster than Netscape but there is
certainly something wrong with the Mchip wep pages, as Opera displays the
objects horizontal position slightly wrong.  I have not seen that on any
other web page.  That might be the reason Netscape redraws.
Opera redraws some, some not.

Neither Netscape nor Opera have had any problems on any other page I have
visited, so why Microchip?
< For thoose who have not found Opera yet: go to
http://www.operasoftware.com >  :)

I have mailed my opinion earlier to webmaster.

I have tested some pages with different HTML validators, and some say there
is no error, other say there is a lot of inconcistencies.  As teese pages
don«t work flawlessly with neither Netscape nor Opera, i believe theese
pages might be designed using a Micro$oft product   <G>

I deleted MS Internet Exploder long time ago.  It always crashed in a while.
Anyone tested theese pages with MSIE?

/Morgan
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1998\10\26@094348 by Gary Chung

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I got the same experience too. I got "hung" for about 20 sec !!

James Cameron wrote:

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