Searching \ for 'Mice have invaded my house' in subject line. ()
Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure! Help us get a faster server
FAQ page: www.piclist.com/techref/index.htm?key=mice+invaded+house
Search entire site for: 'Mice have invaded my house'.

Truncated match.
PICList Thread
'Mice have invaded my house'
2008\11\10@154325 by Michael Algernon

flavicon
face
1)  Are mousez driven away by ultrasonics ?
2)  If they eat poison ( I am adverse to killing creaturez ) do they  
crawl under your dishwasher and die and rot and stink ?
3)  My next door neighbor has put out poison and it looks like some  
meez came over here and regurgitated blood on my counter.  Is this  
possible ?
4)  Are mooses smart enough to avoid traps ?  I have read they are  
not...... mine seem smarter.  ( Actually they are not mine, just  
illegal aliens )

MA


 WFT Electronics
Denver, CO   720 222 1309
" dent the UNIVERSE "

All ideas, text, drawings and audio , that are originated by WFT  
Electronics ( and it's principals ),  that are included with this  
signature text are to be deemed to be released to the public domain as  
of the date of this communication .

2008\11\10@155303 by Danny Miller

flavicon
face
The ultrasonic stuff is unlikely to drive away mice.  There's also
companies claiming their products can drive off bugs and whatnot which
is totally fictional for sure.

The coolest thing ever is the RatZapper:
http://www.ratzapper.com/

It's an electric chair for mice and rats.  It does work.  Actually works
best with NiMH batts, with standard alkalines it's said to have problems
drawing too much current for the batts.  Dump out the dead rodent and reuse.

Danny

Michael Algernon wrote:
{Quote hidden}

2008\11\10@160325 by M. Adam Davis

face picon face
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Michael Algernon <spam_OUTpicTakeThisOuTspamnope9.com> wrote:
> 1)  Are mousez driven away by ultrasonics ?

Ah, if it were only that easy...  Anecdotal evidence suggests it can
work in some limited situations, but if it did work I suspect mouse
traps wouldn't be as popular as they are.

> 2)  If they eat poison ( I am adverse to killing creaturez ) do they
> crawl under your dishwasher and die and rot and stink ?

Unless you've got lots and lots, they generate very little smell as
they dessicate.  Perhaps in a very humid environment it's worse?

> 3)  My next door neighbor has put out poison and it looks like some
> meez came over here and regurgitated blood on my counter.  Is this
> possible ?

ew!  I don't know.

> 4)  Are mooses smart enough to avoid traps ?  I have read they are
> not...... mine seem smarter.  ( Actually they are not mine, just
> illegal aliens )

Mice are very inquisitve creatures, and from what I've read the
typical mouse never travels more than 30-80 feet from their nest.
They spend a lot of time exploring that area, though, and may pass
through any given mouseway dozens of times a day.  They tend to
explore new things, and thus the reason the typical mouse traps work
so well, and why there's no real need for a "better" mousetrap.
Follow the directions for placement, use a suitable bait, and you will
quickly get rid of the problem unless it's a huge infestation.

There are live capture traps you can get if you want to move mice, but
be aware that while it's generally legal to kill them using traps, in
some areas it's illegal to move or relocate certain animals.

We used a combination of traps and poison, and the mice went away
within a month or two.

If you are averse to torturing them, don't use glue traps.  Use a
catch and release, or a spring loaded trap that kills instantly.  The
glue trap is just horrifying when you come upon a live mouse trapped
in it.

-Adam

--
Please rate and vote for my contest entry:
mypic32.com/web/guest/profiles?profileID=50331

2008\11\10@162300 by Andre Abelian

flavicon
face
Do you have a cat? Cat should take care of it.

Andre  



-----Original Message-----
From: .....piclist-bouncesKILLspamspam@spam@mit.edu [piclist-bouncesspamKILLspammit.edu] On Behalf
Of Michael Algernon
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
Subject: Mice have invaded my house

1)  Are mousez driven away by ultrasonics ?
2)  If they eat poison ( I am adverse to killing creaturez ) do they  
crawl under your dishwasher and die and rot and stink ?
3)  My next door neighbor has put out poison and it looks like some  
meez came over here and regurgitated blood on my counter.  Is this  
possible ?
4)  Are mooses smart enough to avoid traps ?  I have read they are  
not...... mine seem smarter.  ( Actually they are not mine, just  
illegal aliens )

MA


 WFT Electronics
Denver, CO   720 222 1309
" dent the UNIVERSE "

All ideas, text, drawings and audio , that are originated by WFT  
Electronics ( and it's principals ),  that are included with this  
signature text are to be deemed to be released to the public domain as  
of the date of this communication .

2008\11\10@162338 by Lucas

flavicon
face
I've had a pregnant mouse come into the house and pop out 8 offspring.

Ultrasonics would probably annoy the mouse/mice and they'd just relocate.

I found the "den", under my wood-working shop in a separate part of the
basement (shows how often I used that lately, don't tell my wife :D ).

I'm against poison as I have a dog and two children, I wouldn't want the
mice to end up spreading the stuff around.  Yuck, there's another reason not
to use poison.

I used a combo of sticky and snap traps.  One sticky disappeared, the mouse
got half-stuck and took off.  Managed to chew/eat most of the sticky trap
around itself, found the trap several feet away under another table, and the
mouse not very far away the trap.  I guess the glue/plastic was too much for
it.

As for the snap traps, I've had a few go off with no sight of a mouse but
the bait was swiped.  I used peanut-butter and shoved it into the loop of
the trigger.  I had two mice caught at once as well.  I think it depends on
how the sit on the trap to get at the bait.  If they're on the base, the
snap will probably fly over their bodies and heads and they'll avoid
capture.  If they enter the trap from the side, then I doubt they'd be fast
enough to get away.

I put a small amount of peanut butter in the centre of the sticky trap, that
way they have to step into the trap.  None of the sticky traps had missing
bait without a mouse stuck to it.  Even the one that got away didn't reach
the bait.

Lucas

{Original Message removed}

2008\11\10@165735 by Tamas Rudnai

face picon face
> Do you have a cat? Cat should take care of it.

Depends on the cat... some just do not eat anything else but whiskas or such
like that - some others make a mess by bringing the stuff they caught in the
house and leave the reminding everywhere... believe me, it is not nice to
clean after a pigeon on the menu...

For me the best was the poison - they said the mouse / rat would go out when
feel sick, and I want to believe them :-) Anyway, still nobody talks about
the small ones, when mother and father dies by either a poison or a trap...
they will still rotten inside the wall or wherever they have the nest.

Tamas



On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Andre Abelian
<.....aabelianKILLspamspam.....mason-electric.com>wrote:

> Do you have a cat? Cat should take care of it.
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> {Original Message removed}

2008\11\10@171209 by Danny Miller

flavicon
face
The part about them always leaving the house... not always so true.

Had several spells of rats in this old house.  Uh, it's not pretty if
they don't "leave" as promised when poisoned.

I have had the standard spring rat trap NOT kill a rat.  For one, always
tie it down with a string because I've had them run off with the trap to
god-only-knows where to die.  Answer to the question you dare not ask-
just drown the one that didn't go quietly.

That's why I like the Ratzapper.  It either does the job completely or not.

Danny

Tamas Rudnai wrote:
{Quote hidden}

2008\11\10@184946 by John Ferrell

face picon face
I am looking forward to the day that Midnight drops a mouse corpse in my
wife's lap!

John Ferrell    W8CCW

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing." -- Edmund Burke
http://DixieNC.US

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Abelian" <EraseMEaabelianspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTmason-electric.com>
To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclistspamspam_OUTmit.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: Mice have invaded my house


> Do you have a cat? Cat should take care of it.
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> {Original Message removed}

2008\11\10@195807 by BOB

picon face
Michael Algernon wrote:
> 1)  Are mousez driven away by ultrasonics ?
>  
They never worked for me.
> 2)  If they eat poison ( I am adverse to killing creaturez ) do they crawl under your dishwasher and die and rot and stink ?
>  
Only if you have 50 or more and its humid.
> 3)  My next door neighbor has put out poison and it looks like some meez came over here and regurgitated blood on my counter.  Is this possible ?
>  
most rat and mice poison is warfrin a blood thinner they just start to
bleed and not stop til they are dead. when they start bleeding they are
so sick they find a place to hide and die.

> 4)  Are mooses smart enough to avoid traps ?

An old trick to get rid of rats.
Catch a live rat, get heavy gloves on .  Hold rat up by tail.  Take a
torch and singe his hair.
make sure he is not burning and let him go.  All the rats around will
leave your area.

Bob
>  

2008\11\10@204147 by Vitaliy

flavicon
face
"BOB" <@spam@BOBSCNCKILLspamspamCHARTER.NET> wrote:
> An old trick to get rid of rats.
> Catch a live rat, get heavy gloves on .  Hold rat up by tail.  Take a
> torch and singe his hair.
> make sure he is not burning and let him go.  All the rats around will
> leave your area.

This seriously made me shudder.  *-(

Vitaliy

2008\11\10@210008 by Tamas Rudnai

face picon face
I though it is better to sink a boat - rats leaving the sinking boat
first... :-)

Tamas


On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Vitaliy <KILLspamspamKILLspamspammaksimov.org> wrote:

> "BOB" <RemoveMEBOBSCNCTakeThisOuTspamCHARTER.NET> wrote:
> > An old trick to get rid of rats.
> > Catch a live rat, get heavy gloves on .  Hold rat up by tail.  Take a
> > torch and singe his hair.
> > make sure he is not burning and let him go.  All the rats around will
> > leave your area.
>
> This seriously made me shudder.  *-(
>
> Vitaliy
> -

2008\11\10@211009 by Paul Hutchinson

picon face
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spamBeGonepiclist-bouncesspamBeGonespammit.edu On Behalf Of Michael Algernon
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:43 PM
>
> 1)  Are mousez driven away by ultrasonics ?

Some pests are temporarily driven away by ultrasonic's, they eventually get
acclimated to the sound and it stops bothering them. Often pests will move
off on their own (better food or shelter elsewhere) leading to the reports
by some people of ultrasonic units working (confusing correlation with
causation). The US FTC has tested dozens of devices over the past few
decades and has ruled that at best they have a temporary effect. In 2001
they started legal action against 60 manufacturers but, the manufacturers
got a get out of jail free card in that all they have to do is put
"temporary" in the small print. Some of the manufacturers now say, be sure
to leave the device in place to keep the temporary effect working.

> 2)  If they eat poison ( I am adverse to killing creaturez ) do they
> crawl under your dishwasher and die and rot and stink ?

They're too small to stink up the place but, I still prefer to use spring
traps and dispose of the corpse.

> 3)  My next door neighbor has put out poison and it looks like some
> meez came over here and regurgitated blood on my counter.  Is this
> possible ?

Yes, I've seen bloody mouse vomit near dead poisoned mice when my brother
used poison. He's since switched to spring traps, poison and glue traps are
disgusting (we found a dead three legged mouse who chewed off a leg to get
out of a glue trap).

> 4)  Are mooses smart enough to avoid traps ?  I have read they are
> not...... mine seem smarter.  ( Actually they are not mine, just
> illegal aliens )

Not smart just lucky, sometimes their touch is light enough that they lick
the peanut butter off the trap without setting it off. I just reapply peanut
butter and put the trap back, so far my record for a lucky mouse is four
times got away, fifth time got it.

Paul

>
> MA

2008\11\11@002402 by Harold Hallikainen

face
flavicon
face
I'm very skeptical of this stuff, but with my unscientific sample size of
one, there is something to electronic mouse repellers.

We had a mouse getting into our dog food. We bought a "PestAcator 2000
plus." It says it uses "patented pulse technology to work through
electrical wiring to help with rodent problems plus ultrasonic technology
delivers sound waves that may help with rodent problems in a targeted
area."

"Pest A Cator's patented pulse (electromagnetic) technology was designed
to connect to the neutral wire of a standard electrical outlet, and to
send a pulsating signal throughout your home (or other structure). This
silent pulse is intended to annoy rodents and may help with problems
behind walls, floors, and ceilings where rodents typically nest."

"For areas without adequate wiring (such as attics or basements), better
coverage may be obtained by plugging in a heavy extension cord and
securing it around the perimeter or along the rafters and then plugging a
Pest A Cator 2000 or Pesta A Cator 1000 into the extension cord."

So... it is "intended" to work, and it "may" help. BUT, we don't have a
mouse in our dog food since plugging it in.

Again, not a scientific study, but interesting nonetheless. Googling this,
I find this:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/07/global.shtm
www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=6400995
http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=4802057

Harold

--
FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com - Advertising
opportunities available!

2008\11\11@011345 by Michael Algernon

flavicon
face

On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote:

I though it is better to sink a boat - rats leaving the sinking boat
first... :-)

Tamas

How do I turn my house into a boat ?
MA


2008\11\11@020940 by Danny Miller

flavicon
face
The electromagnetic noise through the house wiring repelling rodents is
absurd.  There is no documented elevated sensitivity to EM in rodents.  
As such, any EM powerful enough to annoy rodents could be harmful to
people or, far more likely, household electronics plugged into that
wiring.  It's pretty much impossible to imagine a powerful repeating
current pulse not interfering with TV or stereo or getting clamped by
any surge protector.  Actually if you have X10 you may also notice that
this signal has trouble getting from one phase of the household wiring
to the other and requires a simple bridging circuit through the two
phases present at a 220v outlet.

Rodents are supposed to be able to hear ultrasonics, sure, but picture
how big such a speaker would actually have to be to span an entire house
or even penetrate into a wall void where a rodent lived.  Ultrasonics
have very low penetration and those transducers I've seen appear quite
small.  Very strong ultrasonics are harmful to people as well so I doubt
they went that way.  Rodents are fairly smart and probably learn that
constant chirps or whatever present no threat to them, although noisy
areas probably make them nervous since it could mask the sound of an
incoming predator.  Maybe if placed right by the food it might be strong
enough there to deter them within a few feet- then again, rodents are
pretty darn determined to get at food.

Basically it comes down to a combined approach:
Eliminate food sources for them
Kill the ones you have
Find their entry points and close them off
Hear the lamentations of the women

Danny

Harold Hallikainen wrote:
{Quote hidden}

2008\11\11@023629 by Michael Algernon

flavicon
face
>
> Hear the lamentations of the women
>
> Danny
>

This a great comment.  I am somewhat less upset about having meeces.
MA


 WFT Electronics
Denver, CO   720 222 1309
" dent the UNIVERSE "

All ideas, text, drawings and audio , that are originated by WFT  
Electronics ( and it's principals ),  that are included with this  
signature text are to be deemed to be released to the public domain as  
of the date of this communication .

2008\11\11@093509 by BOB

picon face
Another way by brother-in-law would deal with rats and mice.
He had an egg operation with 20,000 chickens in a building. The chicken
waste and uneaten food would go into a pile at the back of the building.
(dead chickens also.)  It would then be spread on farm fields for
fertilizer.

This pile was a rat magnet.  He would use a stainless steel pail and
ladle. first he would crush up glass to small particles and put it in
the pail.  The add lye ( I think the technical name is sodium hydroxide)
and water.  When he found a rat hole in the ground he would  put in a
scoop of the lye and glass mix. then put dirt in the rat hole to close
it.  the rat would try to dig its way out cut its paws on the glass,
lick its cuts , ingest the poison and die.  Rat is dead and buried.

I have heard that squirrels are quit a pest, getting into peoples homes
over in england and are called tree rats by some people.

Bob

Vitaliy wrote:
{Quote hidden}

2008\11\11@131235 by \Grif\ w. keith griffith

flavicon
face

From two or three generations ago, Canadian grain grower.  They'd
catch a rat and sew its anus closed and turn it loose.  The screams
of pain over the several days it took to die would cause the other
rats to leave.

Well,,, it's an organic, non poisonous option.  Not sure, but I'm
thinking that a good dose of warfarin is a better deal.


At 06:35 AM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>Another way by brother-in-law would deal with rats and mice.
>  He had an egg operation with 20,000 chickens in a building. The chicken
>waste and uneaten food would go into a pile at the back of the building.
>(dead chickens also.)  It would then be spread on farm fields for
>fertilizer.


"When did ignorance become a point of view"
   Scott Adams

W. Keith 'Grif'  Griffith
N7IVS

2008\11\11@144859 by Clint Sharp

picon face
In message <RemoveME4919981E.3050707spamTakeThisOuTCHARTER.NET>, BOB <BOBSCNCEraseMEspam.....charter.net>
writes
>I have heard that squirrels are quit a pest, getting into peoples homes
>over in england and are called tree rats by some people.
Not had a problem here, I guess the oak tree in the garden is nicer than
my house. It's the fancy restaurants that call them 'flightless
partridge' you have to be careful of.
>
>Bob

--
Clint Sharp

2008\11\11@144900 by Clint Sharp

picon face
In message <EraseMEF2A9EAE9-A2E0-4C5F-9C0E-37E33989B847spamnope9.com>, Michael
Algernon <RemoveMEpicEraseMEspamEraseMEnope9.com> writes
>1)  Are mousez driven away by ultrasonics ?
No, not the ones we have here. Be aware also that inaudible high SPL
sound can harm your ears just as effectively as audible high SPL sound.

>2)  If they eat poison ( I am adverse to killing creaturez ) do they
>crawl under your dishwasher and die and rot and stink ?
Umm, yes, yes and maybe, I don't know where mine went but they didn't
stink if they did die under my kitchen appliances.
>3)  My next door neighbor has put out poison and it looks like some
>meez came over here and regurgitated blood on my counter.  Is this
>possible ?
Possibly, if he's used warfarin. I *think* mouse urine fluoresces under
UV light, if you really want to disgust yourself shine one on your
counters.
>4)  Are mooses smart enough to avoid traps ?  I have read they are
>not...... mine seem smarter.  ( Actually they are not mine, just
>illegal aliens )
The traditional traps are just mouse buffet bars. They do give you the
opportunity to find out what the mice like though, best is a smorgasbord
of different nibbles, mine liked raisins and chocolate best, of course,
yours may be on Atkins or some other faddy diet.
>MA

--
Clint Sharp

2008\11\11@150329 by Vitaliy

flavicon
face
Apptech said earlier:

> [OT] tag added.
> Note that this thread has NEVER had a tag, as far as I can see.
> AFAIUI that means that all list recipients may be seeing this thread.
> Please ensure that threads have valid tags.

2008\11\13@112801 by Martin

face
flavicon
face
BOB wrote:

> An old trick to get rid of rats.
> Catch a live rat, get heavy gloves on .  Hold rat up by tail.  Take a
> torch and singe his hair.
> make sure he is not burning and let him go.  All the rats around will
> leave your area.
>
> Bob
>>  
>

Are you talking about 4 legged rats or the "rat" who says things he
shouldn't?

-
M

2008\11\13@131909 by BOB

picon face
I have seen movies or read stories of the mob using such treatment on a RAT.

Bob


Martin wrote:
>
>
> Are you talking about 4 legged rats or the "rat" who says things he
> shouldn't?
>
> -
> M
>  

2008\11\14@221946 by Jonathan Hallameyer

picon face
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Clint Sharp <RemoveMEpiclistspam_OUTspamKILLspammit.edu> wrote:
{Quote hidden}

> -

More... (looser matching)
- Last day of these posts
- In 2008 , 2009 only
- Today
- New search...