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'Mail formatting - was - Re: Commands for 16c54 ??'
1997\06\30@000637 by Mike Smith

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part 0 742 bytes content-type:application/octet-stream; name="rwars.txt"So.  How does one set MS Internet Mail so it can read HTML/RTF mail?

Secondly, if it is possible, is everyone here happy to accept this as a
standard?  The PicList seems very quiet right now - only 10 or so items, so
I thought a rwar topic might be appropriate.

MikeS
<spam_OUTmikesmith_ozTakeThisOuTspamrelaymail.net>

PS I've enclosed an article from the comp.lang.c++ on the rwars issue -
only cos its so quiet.

Here's the opening salvo -
We should go for increased formatting - plain ascii is sooo boring!
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="rwars.txt"
Content-Description: rwars.txt (Text Document)
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rwars.txt"

Attachment converted: wonderland:rwars.txt (TEXT/CSOm) (000039EE)

1997\06\30@034514 by David Gould

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> > <excerpt>
> >
> > <bigger>What is the best and quickest way to implement the  following
> > types of commands on a pic micro
> >
> ??</bigger><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0606,0000,0000</par
> am>
>
> So.  How does one set MS Internet Mail so it can read HTML/RTF mail?
>
> Secondly, if it is possible, is everyone here happy to accept this as a
> standard?

No. Very unhappy indeed! I don't like getting mail full of formatting trash.
At least you are not advocating sending embedded MS Word docs. I always
delete Word docs unread. The html/rtf docs are almost unreadable, but at
least they are ascii.

> MikeS
> <.....mikesmith_ozKILLspamspam@spam@relaymail.net>
...
> Here's the opening salvo -
> We should go for increased formatting - plain ascii is sooo boring!

Sure, boring old ascii. It is boring not having MS Mail ActiveX Ole enabled
Word virus of the week. But I like it that way.

My point is, I am not going to change operating systems or even mailers
just to get support for fancy formatting.. I am very happy with just plain
ascii. I read a couple hundred email a day and I like my current mailer.
I do not want to try to convert my archive of thousands of mail messages
saved over the years to some new mailer. I do not want mailer viruses.

No I do not like it Sam I am! I do not like HTML/RTF mail, not in a box,
not with a fox, I do not like it Sam I am.

-dg

David Gould           dgspamKILLspamillustra.com            510.869.6383 or 510.305.9468
Informix Software (formerly Illustra)  1111 Broadway #2000  Oakland, CA 94607
         Hiroshima '45     Tschernobyl '86      Windows '95

1997\06\30@063736 by Mike Smith

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> From: David Gould <.....dgKILLspamspam.....ILLUSTRA.COM>
> To: EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Mail formatting - was - Re: Commands for 16c54 ??
> Date: Monday, 30 June 1997 16:38

> No. Very unhappy indeed! I don't like getting mail full of formatting
trash.> At least you are not advocating sending embedded MS Word docs. I
always
> delete Word docs unread. The html/rtf docs are almost unreadable, but at
> least they are ascii.

I cant see any justification (aaarrghh!) for binary word files either.
They so often only append changes made in a number of editing sessions to
the end of the file, so can get truly humongous. (and oft times,
embarassing :)  Word can save HTML/RTF's fairly easily now though.  A group
of users actually *complained* about Word 97 saving files in RTF as a
default.

>
> > MikeS
> > <mikesmith_ozspamspam_OUTrelaymail.net>
> ...
> > Here's the opening salvo -
> > We should go for increased formatting - plain ascii is sooo boring!
>
> Sure, boring old ascii. It is boring not having MS Mail ActiveX Ole
enabled
> Word virus of the week. But I like it that way.
>
> My point is, I am not going to change operating systems or even mailers
> just to get support for fancy formatting.. I am very happy with just
plain
> ascii. I read a couple hundred email a day and I like my current mailer.
> I do not want to try to convert my archive of thousands of mail messages
> saved over the years to some new mailer. I do not want mailer viruses.
>

Everyone seems happy using HTML in their browsers, no matter if they use
Unix/Windows/Mac.  I just wonder why there seems to be resistance to it in
mailer proggies.  Since installing Office, clicking on send new mail (in MS
Internet Mail) opens Word as a customised mail creator (this is,
predictably, slow)  Weirdly though, it doesn't process incoming mail that
has HTML/RTF in it...  I suppose I'll have to go trawling thru the registry
to stop Word loading now <sigh>

> No I do not like it Sam I am! I do not like HTML/RTF mail, not in a box,
> not with a fox, I do not like it Sam I am.

Sam???

1997\06\30@073214 by Andy Kunz

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>Sam???

You must not know Dr. Seuss.  A wonderful American tradition.  I have most
of the books down pat (5 kids myself, plus 2 younger siblings + 2 older
siblings before that).

Andy

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Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865
         Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies
       "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
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1997\06\30@073220 by Andy Kunz

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>We should go for increased formatting - plain ascii is sooo boring!
>Attachment Converted: "C:\Download\rwars.txt"

So why did you send rwars.txt and not rwars.html or rwars.rtf?

I'm on the PLAIN OLD ASCII side of this conflict.

Andy

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Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865
         Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies
       "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
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1997\06\30@175305 by Joost Kooij

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On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Mike Smith wrote:

> Everyone seems happy using HTML in their browsers, no matter if they use
> Unix/Windows/Mac.  I just wonder why there seems to be resistance to it in
> mailer proggies.

Because HTML = hypertext markup language, a format optimized for linking
across texts. In email (and news) one "quotes".

What is all about this need for formatting anyway?

Isn't content enough?
Or isn't there enough content?


Joost

1997\06\30@213106 by Ross McKenzie

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At 07:34 AM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>We should go for increased formatting - plain ascii is sooo boring!
>>Attachment Converted: "C:\Download\rwars.txt"
>
>So why did you send rwars.txt and not rwars.html or rwars.rtf?
>
>I'm on the PLAIN OLD ASCII side of this conflict.
>
>Andy
>
>==================================================================
>Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865
>          Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies
>        "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
>==================================================================
>

Personally, I am all for the ASCII format, but for another reason.

Someone recently attached a .jpg file to a message on this group. Having
become comfortable with the Win95 double-click-everything way of doing
things, I did so. Lo and behold, up pops a message box care of Mr Gates
stating that his blessed Internet Explorer is not the default browser on my
PC and would I like to make it so. And of course the default response from
this pernicious purveyor of produsts was yes. Ah, but I gladly said No. I am
more than happy with Netscape thank you.

Give the bastards an inch and they'll have your all. As someone more clever
than I once said, "In a world without need of fences, who needs Gates." Keep
the standards open; its safer.

SET SERMON MODE OFF

Regards,

Ross McKenzie
Melbourne Australia

1997\06\30@235737 by blunn

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Bob Lunn
07/01/97 01:08 PM


>> Everyone seems happy using HTML in their browsers, no matter if they use
>> Unix/Windows/Mac.  I just wonder why there seems to be resistance to it
in
>> mailer proggies.
>
>Because HTML = hypertext markup language, a format optimized for linking
>across texts. In email (and news) one "quotes".

    Crap.  The cross-document linking covers only the 'hypertext' part of
HTML.
    What about the 'markup' part of HTML?

___Bob


'Mail formatting - was - Re: Commands for 16c54 ??'
1997\07\01@054626 by Mike Smith
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> From: Ross McKenzie <@spam@R.McKenzieKILLspamspamSENCON.COM>
> To: KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Mail formatting - was - Re: Commands for 16c54 ??
> Date: Tuesday, 1 July 1997 11:01

<snip>

> Personally, I am all for the ASCII format, but for another reason.
>
> Someone recently attached a .jpg file to a message on this group. Having
> become comfortable with the Win95 double-click-everything way of doing
> things, I did so. Lo and behold, up pops a message box care of Mr Gates
> stating that his blessed Internet Explorer is not the default browser on
my
> PC and would I like to make it so. And of course the default response
from

ROFL.  Actually that would make a good replacement for the ubiquitous <OK>
<Cancel> buttons.
<Make it so>  <Belay that>  (and trekkies would *love* you!)

> this pernicious purveyor of produsts was yes. Ah, but I gladly said No. I
am
> more than happy with Netscape thank you.

I can't understand why ppl are willing to pay for a browser, when there
exists an adequate free one.  (I guess IE must be on your system - it'd
hardly offer to change to a non-existent path - or d/l it while you
(patiently) waited for the 6 odd megs to transfer...

>
> Give the bastards an inch and they'll have your all. As someone more
clever
> than I once said, "In a world without need of fences, who needs Gates."
Keep
> the standards open; its safer.

I propose that Wintel machines are a defacto open standard.

>
> SET SERMON MODE OFF
>

Bless you. <g>

MikeS
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