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'Initial MPLAB Comments'
1996\05\22@132941 by myke predko

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Hi Folks,

I just downloaded the latest version of MPLAB and tried it out.  I really
wanted it for the integrated Simulator, so my initial comments will pretty
much be totally directed toward this.

1.  MP-SIM does not run proplerly in the WIN-OS2 Session of OS/2 Warp.
MPASMWIN and the Editor and other functions of MPLAB seem to work okay, but
MP-SIM does not.  I killed about an hour trying different options until I
shut down OS/2 and booted Windows 3.11.

2.  Is there any way to customize the register display?  I'm asking this
from two different perspectives.  The first is just to display the Registers
(RAM and otherwise) that you want, rather then them all and having to scroll
through them.  The second is to allow the user to specify one single format
for the Register contents, rather than show every different (decimal,
binary, and hex) type.  I like to display the data differently depending on
the Register.  I may be weird, but I liked to create custom MPSIM.INI Files
for each project I was working on; I found it made monitoring what was going
on a lot easier.

3.  The Processor Options (ie type) are not saved with the Project, is it
possible (in the next upgrade) to include this as well.

4.  What are the "PPLUS301.EXE" and "PMSTR300" files in the .zip file used
for?  I presume that "PPLUS301" is an upgrade for the PICStart Plus Package?

5.  When will an updated manual be available?  I do have the current manual,
but I would like to see one with the updated features included.

6.  Will there be a separate MP-SIM Manual made available?  This would help
avoid a lot of the problems I had initially.  A tutorial (in "help", like
the code assembly tutorial) would be nice as well.

7.  Will there be a PICStart B and C Interface to MPLAB?  Or, is there an
interface for other Programmer Software?


Now, having said all this, I have to say that I LOVE MPLAB!  (So much so, I
just ordered a PicStart Plus for pick up at the Seminar next week.)

Features that I like:

1.  In the editor, you actually use a mono-spaced font (my biggest complaint
about "Write"-like editors for Windows that use a porportionally spaced font
which looks crappy for code).

2.  The executing code can be related to in the source (I hated MPSIM's
single line interface).

3.  Projects and only having to start one program from Windows.

4.  Basic Register Contents on Bottom Line during Simulation Execution.
(Including Processor Execution (Carry, Zero, Digit Carry) Flags.)

I'm really pleased at how well everything goes together with this program.
I have only tried it out on the "Tutor.asm" that it comes with and an
assembler file that I created, but I am definitely moving to it from MPASM
and MPSIM and the editor I was using.

For the Microchip people:

I'm really impressed with the level of support you give for your products.
In my job, I work with other Micro-Controller manufacturers and the support
and tools that you provide are defintely head and shoulders above them!

Myke
Myke

"We're Starfleet officers, weird is part of the job."

Capt. Catherine Janeway

1996\05\22@135836 by Mike DeMetz

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> 4.  What are the "PPLUS301.EXE" and "PMSTR300" files in the .zip file used
> for?  I presume that "PPLUS301" is an upgrade for the PICStart Plus Package?
>
>
> 7.  Will there be a PICStart B and C Interface to MPLAB?  Or, is there an
> interface for other Programmer Software?
>
>
> Now, having said all this, I have to say that I LOVE MPLAB!  (So much so, I
> just ordered a PicStart Plus for pick up at the Seminar next week.)
>
What is the difference between Picstart Plus and Oicstart 16B,16B1
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1996\05\22@142927 by fastfwd

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Mike DeMetz <PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> What is the difference between Picstart Plus and Picstart 16B,16B1

Mike:

Picstart Plus will program ALL the PICs, from the very smallest
12-bit parts to the largest 16-bit parts.

Also, Picstart Plus can only be operated from within the
Windows-based MPLAB; there's no DOS software for it.

-Andy

Andrew Warren - .....fastfwdKILLspamspam.....ix.netcom.com
Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499

1996\05\22@142935 by fastfwd

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myke predko <EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> 4.  What are the "PPLUS301.EXE" and "PMSTR300" files in the .zip
> file used for?  I presume that "PPLUS301" is an upgrade for the
> PICStart Plus Package?

Myke:

PPLUS301 adds PICStart Plus support to MPLAB; PMSTR300 adds
PIC-Master support to it.  Without those files, MPLAB only supports
software simulation (and editing, project-management, etc.).

-Andy

Andrew Warren - fastfwdspamspam_OUTix.netcom.com
Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499

1996\05\22@151220 by Darrel Johansen

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    Myke,

    Thanks for the feedback.  I'll try to answer some of your questions:

    1. We have not tested on OS2.  We know it runs on Win 3.1, 3.11, and
    '95.

    2. Use the Watch windows to make customized register displays.
    Currently, we show the values of registers in all formats.  Support
    for other data types will be added at some point in the future.

    3. Processor Options should be saved.  We'll look at that and make
    sure it gets fixed in a future release.

    4.  "PPLUS301.EXE" and "PMSTR300" are the .DLL files that support the
    new PICSTART Plus Universal Device Programmer, and the PICMASTER
    emulator in the new version of MPLAB.  These need to be installed
    after MPLAB only if you have these development systems.

    5.  Updated manual should be on the Web and BBS soon (if not already)
    in .PDF format.  New manuals are shipping with PICSTART Plus.

    6.  A separate MPSIM manual will not be available.  What we've done is
    combined MPLAB IDE, Project, Editor, and Simulator into a single
    manual since that is the "core" common software now for all Microchip
    development systems.  This manual is very similar to the on-line help
    of MPLAB, but fleshed out with more screen-shots.

    7  Currently there are no plans to pull PICSTART 16B or 16C into the
    MPLAB IDE.

    We appreciate the comments and compliments , and are glad that you
    find the new products useful.

    Darrel Johansen


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Subject: Initial MPLAB Comments
Author:  myke predko <@spam@mykeKILLspamspamPASSPORT.CA> at Internet_Exchange
Date:    5/22/96 1:29 PM


Hi Folks,

I just downloaded the latest version of MPLAB and tried it out.  I really
wanted it for the integrated Simulator, so my initial comments will pretty
much be totally directed toward this.

1.  MP-SIM does not run proplerly in the WIN-OS2 Session of OS/2 Warp.
MPASMWIN and the Editor and other functions of MPLAB seem to work okay, but
MP-SIM does not.  I killed about an hour trying different options until I
shut down OS/2 and booted Windows 3.11.

2.  Is there any way to customize the register display?  I'm asking this
from two different perspectives.  The first is just to display the Registers
(RAM and otherwise) that you want, rather then them all and having to scroll
through them.  The second is to allow the user to specify one single format
for the Register contents, rather than show every different (decimal,
binary, and hex) type.  I like to display the data differently depending on
the Register.  I may be weird, but I liked to create custom MPSIM.INI Files
for each project I was working on; I found it made monitoring what was going
on a lot easier.

3.  The Processor Options (ie type) are not saved with the Project, is it
possible (in the next upgrade) to include this as well.

4.  What are the "PPLUS301.EXE" and "PMSTR300" files in the .zip file used
for?  I presume that "PPLUS301" is an upgrade for the PICStart Plus Package?

5.  When will an updated manual be available?  I do have the current manual,
but I would like to see one with the updated features included.

6.  Will there be a separate MP-SIM Manual made available?  This would help
avoid a lot of the problems I had initially.  A tutorial (in "help", like
the code assembly tutorial) would be nice as well.

7.  Will there be a PICStart B and C Interface to MPLAB?  Or, is there an
interface for other Programmer Software?


Now, having said all this, I have to say that I LOVE MPLAB!  (So much so, I
just ordered a PicStart Plus for pick up at the Seminar next week.)

Features that I like:

1.  In the editor, you actually use a mono-spaced font (my biggest complaint
about "Write"-like editors for Windows that use a porportionally spaced font
which looks crappy for code).

2.  The executing code can be related to in the source (I hated MPSIM's
single line interface).

3.  Projects and only having to start one program from Windows.

4.  Basic Register Contents on Bottom Line during Simulation Execution.
(Including Processor Execution (Carry, Zero, Digit Carry) Flags.)

I'm really pleased at how well everything goes together with this program.
I have only tried it out on the "Tutor.asm" that it comes with and an
assembler file that I created, but I am definitely moving to it from MPASM
and MPSIM and the editor I was using.

For the Microchip people:

I'm really impressed with the level of support you give for your products.
In my job, I work with other Micro-Controller manufacturers and the support
and tools that you provide are defintely head and shoulders above them!

Myke
Myke

"We're Starfleet officers, weird is part of the job."

Capt. Catherine Janeway

1996\05\22@160704 by LEUNG LAUREN KWAN-KIT

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Is PICSTART Plus available yet?  I've ordered one in the 2nd first
seminar this year, but still haven't got it yet... any words?

- Lauren

On Wed, 22 May 1996, Andrew Warren wrote:

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1996\05\22@172115 by pic

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Hi all,

I have been experimenting with the new MPLAB software, and either
it is full of bugs, it has problems with win95, or there is
something wrong with my installation. First off I had the
win95 problem with the bwcc.dll file. But I got that sorted
out thanks to the advice of members of this list. Then I am
faced with numerous GPF's and application errors, etc. I have
hard reset the machine many times, but it seems to make no difference.

The program runs fine for a while until I get it to go do something
it has to think about, like going between animate and run modes,
etc. The problems seem very intermittent but they are there all the
same. Also, can anyone tell me why the highlight in the source code
window sometimes runs one line ahead of where it should be in anamate
mode?

It would be nice to know if anyone else has experienced any of these
problems?

Wayne G Boyd.

1996\05\23@041734 by Wolfram Liebchen

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myke predko wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
> 1.  MP-SIM does not run proplerly in the WIN-OS2 Session of OS/2 Warp.
> MPASMWIN and the Editor and other functions of MPLAB seem to work okay, but
> MP-SIM does not.  I killed about an hour trying different options until I
> shut down OS/2 and booted Windows 3.11.
>
>
> Now, having said all this, I have to say that I LOVE MPLAB!  (So much so, I
> just ordered a PicStart Plus for pick up at the Seminar next week.)

Myke,

I don't understand your problems with MPLAB and OS/2. I run MPLAB as a
seamless Windows (enhanced 386) session in OS/2 Warp, and it works great
(including simulator)!

And that's true: MPLAB is a wonderful tool! Many thanks to Microchip.

Wolfram

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1996\05\23@085352 by Norm Cramer

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At 10:16 PM 5/22/96 PDT, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have been experimenting with the new MPLAB software, and either
>it is full of bugs, it has problems with win95, or there is
>something wrong with my installation. First off I had the
>win95 problem with the bwcc.dll file. But I got that sorted
>out thanks to the advice of members of this list. Then I am
>faced with numerous GPF's and application errors, etc. I have
>hard reset the machine many times, but it seems to make no difference.
>

I have been running it without any problems yet.  I have only been doing
testing to see if all my old stuff works in the new environment but havent
seen the GPF yet.  I may not have run it enough yet.  I have not seen any of
the other problems that you mention.

There is an anoyance about the window though.  I noticed that when the MPLAB
window comes up, it covers the task bar.  To get to the task bar, I have to
minimize the window.  I haven't played with it enough to see if I can work
around this problem but if there isn't a workaround, this one needs to be
fixed also.  Anyone else see this one?


> Also, can anyone tell me why the highlight in the source code
>window sometimes runs one line ahead of where it should be in anamate
>mode?

I'll look for this one next time I run.  I have found that for the testing
level I am doing now, I don't like animate since it slows things down.  For
initial testing it looks like a key feature.

Hope this helps,

Norm

1996\05\23@090004 by Clyde Smith-Stubbs

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Norm Cramer <TakeThisOuTcramerEraseMEspamspam_OUTdseg.ti.com> wrote:

> There is an anoyance about the window though.  I noticed that when the MPLAB
> window comes up, it covers the task bar.  To get to the task bar, I have to
> minimize the window.  I haven't played with it enough to see if I can work

Try *maximizing* the window. You'll find MPLAB then fills the screen area
excluding the task bar. Why does it work this way? Who knows - Sicromoft
logic, I guess.

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1996\05\23@091125 by myke predko

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>
>I don't understand your problems with MPLAB and OS/2. I run MPLAB as a
>seamless Windows (enhanced 386) session in OS/2 Warp, and it works great
>(including simulator)!
>
>And that's true: MPLAB is a wonderful tool! Many thanks to Microchip.
>
>Wolfram

The problems was in the stepping and reset functions.  The stepping commands
seemed to jump to new addresses at random.  The reset function wouldn't put
in the correct initial address (started at 0x01 and 0x02 and never quite
made 0x00) and the contents of the system registers never were the expected
(as per the manual) values.

This is on an IBM Thinkpad, running OS/2 Warp in the "WIN-OS2" Window.

When I rebooted under DOS/Windows (using OS/2's "Boot Manager") and reloaded
MPLAB, no problems.

Myke
Myke

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1996\05\23@092033 by Norm Cramer

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At 10:59 PM 5/23/96 +1000, you wrote:

>Try *maximizing* the window. You'll find MPLAB then fills the screen area
>excluding the task bar. Why does it work this way? Who knows - Sicromoft
>logic, I guess.
>

Thanks,

I'll try it when I get home.


Norm

1996\05\23@102929 by Darrel Johansen

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> There is an anoyance about the window though.  I noticed that when the MPLAB
> window comes up, it covers the task bar.  To get to the task bar, I have to
> minimize the window.  I haven't played with it enough to see if I can work
> around this problem but if there isn't a workaround, this one needs to be
> fixed also.  Anyone else see this one?


This is a general problem with Win 3.1 applications and Windows 95.  There is a
shareware program called "Shove It" which you can find on the Internet Win 95
Shareware Web sites which helps a little.

Darrel.

1996\05\23@113048 by Andy David

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I've been using MPLAB as my development environment on my Win-95'd
PC without any problems whatsoever (and isn't it just a vast improvement
over the PICMaster environment?) - I think that MPLAB is a useful and
solid IDE. I've just moved my code from a 10Mhz 16c73 to a 20Mhz '73 and had a few timing issues, so my only gripe is that the picmaster itself won't
run at 20MHz.

>There is an anoyance about the window though.  I noticed that when the >MPLAB
>window comes up, it covers the task bar.  To get to the task bar, I have to
>minimize the window.  

As for it hiding the taskbar, I have mine set to autohide, so it's
not a problem.


- Andy.


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