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'ITU Tech PIC-1 Programmer'
1998\02\20@160656 by Kerry B Phillips

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What experiences have you all had with the ITU Tech PIC-1 programmer?
(good, bad, indifferent?)  How does its capabilites/performance compare
to the PICSTART Plus?

Kerry

1998\02\20@191340 by Bob Blick

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At $148.88 (Digikey current price) you can't beat the PICSTART PLUS. The
only bad things about it are speed and the inability to run from DOS.
It attaches to the serial port. Comes with MPLAB and MPASM books, 16C84
chip, cd rom with embedded control handbook, MPASM and MPLAB. MPLAB also
on diskette.

The ITU programmer, similarly equipped, ends up being about $115. It
doesn't have a case, cable, or power supply. Attaches to the parallel
port. Does not program the 14000 or 17Cxx series parts.

-bob

On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Kerry B Phillips wrote:

> What experiences have you all had with the ITU Tech PIC-1 programmer?
> (good, bad, indifferent?)  How does its capabilites/performance compare
> to the PICSTART Plus?
>
> Kerry
>

1998\02\20@192134 by Orin Eman

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> What experiences have you all had with the ITU Tech PIC-1 programmer?
> (good, bad, indifferent?)  How does its capabilites/performance compare
> to the PICSTART Plus?

It works.  Programs 16C73s when my PICSTART Plus won't.  It has a header
to do in circuit programming which can be useful.

On the other hand, the PIC-1 won't read the config word properly for me,
(which may be due to my configuration).  Only a problem if you want
to read a PIC then program another from the resulting hex file.

The PICSTART Plus does have a lot fancier user interface and is
integrated into MPLAB.  It's a little more difficult to use
the PIC-1, but at least IT WORKS with my '73s!

Orin.

1998\02\21@134017 by Charles Laforge

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Although I cannot compare it to anything but itself I love my PIC-1.
The kit went together well and I have never had any problems with it.
The people at ITU Tech are also very friendle and very helpfull.

I recommend it.


Charles


>
>What experiences have you all had with the ITU Tech PIC-1 programmer?
>(good, bad, indifferent?)  How does its capabilites/performance compare
>to the PICSTART Plus?
>
>Kerry
>


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1998\02\21@141155 by chris

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> The ITU programmer, similarly equipped, ends up being about $115. It
> doesn't have a case, cable, or power supply. Attaches to the parallel
> port. Does not program the 14000 or 17Cxx series parts.
>
> -bob
>
Bob,

I'm not sure how you figured this, but you can get the our ProPAK
that includes the PIC-1 AT programmer w/ZIF, a 40/28 pin adapter, a
PIC16F84, software, cables and power supply for $109.  Optionally you
can get the PICnGo package that has everything listed above except
the 40/28 pin adapter for $75.  A user can easily wire their own
adapter.  Or you can get just the programmer as a kit for $39.

I wish you would take some care to get your facts straight before
bashing us.

Chris

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1998\02\21@162702 by hansen

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I've had very good luck with the PIC-1 and with the customer support
from ITU.  Here are some observations:

1. Unless your time is EXTREMELY valuable, buy the kit, not the
assmebled unit.  This is an extraordinarily easy kit to build with
all the parts and their orientations clearly marked on the PC board.
The board is spacious and consturction is a breeze.  It takes about
45 minutes to an hour to build.  The instructions are absolutely
clear and the instruction booklet also contains some good advice
for using PICs.  ome friends and I built 4 of them one evening
and the only problems we ran into are as follows:

       a. The ZIF socket (which is highly recommended unless you
are planning to do all in circuit programming) was a very tight fit
in the holes on the PC board in some of the units we bought.  If you
work at it, it will eventually snap into place.

       b. On our units there is no connection from ground to the
shell of the DB-25 connector despite what the instructions say.
However, the unit works flawlessly without it.

       c. One of the ZIF sockets we bought did not open properly
without help.  I wish we had discovered this before we soldered
it into the board, because I'm sure ITU would have replaced it.
It isn't that big a pain to use, so we left it as is.  It is
worth your while to examine this socket to make sure it works
properly before installing it.

2.  The kit with a ZIF socket is $54.  You have to provide your
own cube tap to run it, but it will run off either AC or DC.
Most folks have one of these lying around from some appliance
that came with one that is now broken.

3. The software that comes with the unit is slow.  I think this
is because it programs the entire chip each time rather than
the addresses that have changed.  However, any software that
will work with a Tait Parallel programmer will work with this
one.  Set it up for 7406 Transistor switches. I use pp.exe, in
which case you set the environment variable PPSETUP=2.  I use
this programmer because it interfaces with CCS's C compiler
very well.  You can also use the excellent PIX software with
the ITU programmer.  In this case select the TAIT06T programmer
option.

4. ITU custormer service (and Chris Sakkas in particular) are
excellent.  He answered some really dumb questions that I had
early on when I was getting started with the programmer.  Most
importantly, I used e-mail to access customer support and I
always got a response with 24 hours. These folks also offer
other PIC products (including the Benson books).  This company
is well worth getting to know.

5. I modified my ITU to make in circuit programming even easier.
I added a daughterboard that has a 4 pole double throw latching
relay and a second ZIFF socket on it (both from JDR).  A ribbon
cable with an 18 pin dip plug then goes to the circuit under
development.  The daughterboard connects to the ITU programmer
via the in circuit programming header.  The daughterboard
has a slide switch on it and a pair of LEDs.  I put the
pic in the daughterboard and then sliding the switch one way
puts it in the programmer while sliding it the other puts it
in the circuit.  This addition has saved and immense amount of
time.

6. If all you want to do is program 16F84 chips, there are
cheaper ways to do it than the ITU unit.  The Ludi programmer
in particular is a possibility that will also run with the
PIX software.  I modified the Ludi slightly so that it could
be built with all Radio Shack parts and put one together for
well under $5.  It doesn't even require a power supply.  To
my surprise, it even works.  However, if you are looking for
an inexpensive commercial unit that will program a wide
range of PICs, I don't see how you could beat the ITU unit.



Anyway, these are just my experiences and, of course, your
mileage may vary.

John Hansen, W2FS
hansenspamKILLspamfredonia.edu

1998\02\22@134703 by Robert McAtee

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Bob good luck in getting the PICSTART PLUS for $148. I agree that's their
advertised price but after much argument with them I paid over $200. They
claim the $148 price was a special promotion price for December (97) only.
==Mac==
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1998\02\22@150634 by Bob Blick

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At 03:21 AM 2/21/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Bob good luck in getting the PICSTART PLUS for $148. I agree that's their
>advertised price but after much argument with them I paid over $200. They
>claim the $148 price was a special promotion price for December (97) only.
>==Mac==

I forget when it was that I bought one, it was last year sometime. The
catalog listed it at $199, but they charged me $148.88 and said it was the
new price. The new catalog lists it as $148.88, but I guess that price was
very temporary.

I guess there are a few things we can be sure of:

The PICSTART Plus is not $148.88, but it does program the full line of PICs.

The ITU PIC-1+ is not $115 and a basic kit comes as low as $39.

Chris Sakkas is a nice guy, and except for being a little touchy and quick
to defend his product, he bears no resemblance to Microchip's legal staff.

Microchip's third party support is very slow.

Bob Blick is always right except when he's wrong :-)

-bob

http://www.bobblick.com/

1998\02\23@235414 by Adi

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Kerry,

I've been using the PIC-1 for all my programming so far and it works
just fine. Can say much about the picstart since I never used it.

Regards,
Adi

> What experiences have you all had with the ITU Tech PIC-1 programmer?
> (good, bad, indifferent?)  How does its capabilites/performance compare
> to the PICSTART Plus?
>
> Kerry
>

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