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1997\08\13@190736 by Chris Cook

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get me off this list please!!!!!

1997\08\14@004541 by tjaart

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Chris Cook wrote:
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> get me off this list please!!!!!

RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM

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1997\08\14@015736 by Eric Martens

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| From: Tjaart van der Walt <.....tjaartKILLspamspam@spam@wasp.co.za>
| To: PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
| Subject: Re: I want off list!!
| Date: donderdag 14 augustus 1997 6:46
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| Chris Cook wrote:
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| > get me off this list please!!!!!
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| RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM

Yes I totally agree with you. Some people never learn.


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1997\08\14@020922 by Mike

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Sorry Tjaart, your reply to field has your personal email - why was that ?

At 06:46 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Chris Cook wrote:
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>> get me off this list please!!!!!
>
>RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM

This is a classic example of why we could use an unsubscribe link on the
end of each post - and to Bob who complained about such extra B/W thats
not relevant since look at the proportionate size of an unsubscribe
message in comparison to the size of headers and/or the messages, your
comments Bob about it being facile are just plain rubbish !

Rgds

mike
Perth, Western Australia

1997\08\14@034040 by David BALDWIN

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What's RTFM?

1997\08\14@040749 by Ross McKenzie

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At 09:41 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote:
>What's RTFM?
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Read the f***ing manual. where flaming would be the polite version <g>.


Regards,

Ross McKenzie
Melbourne Australia

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1997\08\14@041809 by Kieran Sullivan

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Read The ... ummm....Fine? Manual.


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What's RTFM?

1997\08\14@051922 by David Gould

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> Read The ... ummm....Fine? Manual.
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> What's RTFM?

 Read The "Friendly" Manual
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1997\08\14@074726 by Robert Lunn

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Mike wrote:

> This is a classic example of why we could use an unsubscribe link on the
> end of each post - and to Bob who complained about such extra B/W thats
> not relevant since look at the proportionate size of an unsubscribe
> message in comparison to the size of headers and/or the messages, your
> comments Bob about it being facile are just plain rubbish !

       Gee Mike, you remembered!

       Actually, this thread simply proves my point.  :)

       The original 'stop the world I want to get off' message was the
       first in a couple of weeks, and was about a dozen lines.  It's
       generated a dozen responses so far (none of which actually told
       the original poster how to unsubscribe, so much for everybody
       putting helpful hints in their sigs) and each of which was larger
       than the original post.

       If we all just ignored the post, or pressed the replybot button
       to send the poster some useful directions in private email, we
       would have saved ten times the bandwidth originally wasted.

___Bob

PS:     Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users
       to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the
       repetitious unsubscribe appendage.

       ...and my rubbish is not plain!  It has raisins in it.

1997\08\14@100332 by Shane Nelson

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I'm curious how many people did simply reply to the
offending email address.  I did.

I don't think many people on the list have
tried to get off it, so most probably don't know
how much of a pain it can be. I have two ways
of sending email. Through Eudora mail, and through
Pine.  Eudora mail sets my return address as
KILLspamiKILLspamspamspots.ab.ca, while pine sets it to RemoveMEiTakeThisOuTspamcheetah.spots.ab.ca.
Both addresses goto the same mailbox.

So, when I tried to get off the list, I got a reply
that said I wasn't even on the list. I imagine that
would stump most of the newbies that find there way
onto the piclist.  But after sending a half dozen
messages, I found the problem and sent the unsubscribe
mail from the proper address.

Perhaps we just need more specific instructions
in the "Welcome to the piclist" message, on how to
get off it.  And make it stand out more. The important
lines seem burried rather deeply in the message.



-Shane.



On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Robert Lunn wrote:

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1997\08\14@130049 by Mike

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At 09:46 PM 8/14/97 +0000, you wrote:

>        Actually, this thread simply proves my point.  :)

Bollocks (:o)

We wouldn't have the original trigger if the sig was automatically in
place (Though this assumes that people have the presence of mind to
actually read a nice short to the point sig OR click on it to unsubscribe).

>        The original 'stop the world I want to get off' message was the
>        first in a couple of weeks, and was about a dozen lines.  It's
>        generated a dozen responses so far (none of which actually told
>        the original poster how to unsubscribe, so much for everybody
>        putting helpful hints in their sigs) and each of which was larger
>        than the original post.

Yes. I agree - so why didn't you ? Your raisins got chewed up.

>        If we all just ignored the post, or pressed the replybot button
>        to send the poster some useful directions in private email, we
>        would have saved ten times the bandwidth originally wasted.

This is human nature - nothing will regulate that - you can reduce the
potential for exageration by sound pre-emptive management by putting
a simple - even ONE line unsubscribe message/link - heck even I've
forgotten, so of the 1350 people on this list I may not be the only one
who could use it - besides the person wishing to unsubscribe.

>PS:     Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users
>        to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the
>        repetitious unsubscribe appendage.

Where did you get 10% from - Eh ?

Well heck make it a ONE LINER - is that too much ?

OR why can't the list server ONLY put unsubscribe messages to individual
posts - that would fix it and make everyone happy - OR are you going to
make up more numbers to try and argue against speculative improvement
which is what I thought PIC programmers were famous for ?!?

I'm on several technical lists - the quietest best run HAVE the unsubscribe
signature appended by the list server. Now this list is likely to have
more subscribers - are you saying we should _hope_ things improve or
are you in politics or aromatherapy ?

>        ...and my rubbish is not plain!  It has raisins in it.

Next time Bob - give it a chance to germinate but, then again raisins
are dried up dead grapes - so just add it to the compost ;)

Rgds

mike
Perth, Western Australia

1997\08\14@141341 by Mwa.Dekkers

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What do all the fu**ing messages mean ?
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1997\08\14@182724 by chris cook

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I just want to take the time to thank all the people who responded to my
message with sarcasm....you made me feel SO welcome!
Did it ever occur to you people that there may be technical
difficulties?
Not just blatent ignorence or stupidity?
Obviousely not.......
I sent the signoff piclist twice, read the instructions several times
and yet I'm STILL on the list.
I apologise to those I offended with my "shouting" and I scowl at the
people who were rude and sarcastic.

1997\08\14@235338 by blunn

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Bob Lunn
08/15/97 11:02 AM


>> Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users
>> to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the
>> repetitious unsubscribe appendage.
>
> Where did you get 10% from - Eh ?

    Mike, from the same place that you get your risk estimates.

    (And why do you grunt at the end of every sentence?  Eh?)

> Now this list is likely to have more subscribers - are you saying
> we should _hope_ things improve?

    My position is that the mooted problem is minor, and that
    all the implementable changes so far proposed only make
    this minor problem worse.

    These proposed changes are therefore not 'improvements'.

___Bob

1997\08\15@005439 by blunn

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Bob Lunn
08/15/97 02:25 PM


>> Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users
>> to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the
>> repetitious unsubscribe appendage.
>
> Where did you get 10% from - Eh ?

    Mike, from the same place that you get your risk estimates.

    (And why do you grunt at the end of every sentence?  Eh?)

> Now this list is likely to have more subscribers - are you saying
> we should _hope_ things improve?

    My position is that the mooted problem is minor, and that
    all the implementable changes so far proposed only make
    this minor problem worse.

    These proposed changes are therefore not 'improvements'.

___Bob

1997\08\15@053149 by nvdw

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chris cook wrote:
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> I just want to take the time to thank all the people who responded to my
> message with sarcasm....you made me feel SO welcome!
> Did it ever occur to you people that there may be technical
> difficulties?
> Not just blatent ignorence or stupidity?
> Obviousely not.......
> I sent the signoff piclist twice, read the instructions several times
> and yet I'm STILL on the list.
> I apologise to those I offended with my "shouting" and I scowl at the
> people who were rude and sarcastic.

Just remember that some of the people who got
extremely rude (like me) did it because you screamed,
and not because of what you screamed about.

The is a very stringent etiquette on the web and you
broke it badly.

Regards
Nic

1997\08\15@101958 by paulb

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Shane Nelson wrote:

> Perhaps we just need more specific instructions in the "Welcome to the
> piclist" message, on how to get off it.  And make it stand out more.
> The important lines seem buried rather deeply in the message.

 Indeed it could be a LOT better.  For a start, it does NOT even
explain whether commands are to be in the Subject line or in the message
body.  This is, curiously enough, important!  If in the body, then what
IS supposed to be in the Subject line as Netscape for one demands a
subject line in order to send?  If commands are to go in the body, then
can one send more than one command in a message?  To get around this, I
have in the past simply put the command in BOTH!

 I find this all rather counter-intuitive as I would expect the command
to go in the Subject line.  That said, the welcome message should
contain a tabular list of ALL commands and options.  It is obviously
written for (or by) a guru who knows it all already.  It should give a
direct link to the FAQ or MAN of the listserver IMHO.

 Cheers,
       Paul B.         VK2BZC

1997\08\15@103640 by Martin R. Green

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You can leave the Subject blank if your reader will let you, and yes, you
can put multiple commands in the body.  Some can even be stacked, if they
start with the same command.  For instance:

  SET PICLIST command1
  SET PICLIST command2
  SET PICLIST command3

...can be combined into:

  SET PICLIST command1 command2 command3


This is pretty standard LISTSERV stuff.


CIAO - Martin R. Green
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Subject:        Re: I want off list!!

Shane Nelson wrote:

> Perhaps we just need more specific instructions in the "Welcome to the
> piclist" message, on how to get off it.  And make it stand out more.
> The important lines seem buried rather deeply in the message.

 Indeed it could be a LOT better.  For a start, it does NOT even
explain whether commands are to be in the Subject line or in the message
body.  This is, curiously enough, important!  If in the body, then what
IS supposed to be in the Subject line as Netscape for one demands a
subject line in order to send?  If commands are to go in the body, then
can one send more than one command in a message?  To get around this, I
have in the past simply put the command in BOTH!

 I find this all rather counter-intuitive as I would expect the command
to go in the Subject line.  That said, the welcome message should
contain a tabular list of ALL commands and options.  It is obviously
written for (or by) a guru who knows it all already.  It should give a
direct link to the FAQ or MAN of the listserver IMHO.

 Cheers,
       Paul B.         VK2BZC

1997\08\15@141443 by Eric van Es

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Ross McKenzie wrote:
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> At 09:41 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote:
> >What's RTFM?
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>
> Read the f***ing manual. where flaming would be the polite version <g>.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ross McKenzie
> Melbourne Australia
>
> to reply by email remove the "nospam." text in my email address
Does anyone have the disctonary of e-amil abbreviations?
I figured the RTFM, AFAIK etc ones out, but BTW still puzzles me...
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1997\08\15@143651 by Martin R. Green

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I've seen a few such dictionaries out there, but I forget where I saw them.  For
now here's a couple:

BTW: By The Way
IMHO: In My Humble Opinion
TIA: Thanks In Advance


CIAO - Martin R. Green
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Ross McKenzie wrote:
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Does anyone have the disctonary of e-amil abbreviations?
I figured the RTFM, AFAIK etc ones out, but BTW still puzzles me...
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1997\08\15@144659 by John Payson

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> I figured the RTFM, AFAIK etc ones out, but BTW still puzzles me...

By The Way, some other acronyms you may encounter [briefing you in advance]:

ROFL  -- Rolling on floor laughing
ROFLMAO -- Rolling on floor laughing my [derriere] off.
IMHO -- In my humble opinion
IANAL -- I am not a lawyer
>:*3 -- [including the greater-than sign] Cat smiley (an original of mine)

1997\08\15@172552 by Frank B. Scalzo

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get me off this list please!!!!!

  Try unsubscribing...

1997\08\15@182510 by chris cook

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what would the world do without your excellent advice........

1997\08\15@205943 by chris cook

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try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and shut
down your preciouse list!

1997\08\15@223644 by Morni Meintjes

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chris cook wrote:

> try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and
> shut
> down your preciouse list!

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1997\08\15@235046 by mikesmith_oz

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On 15 Aug 97 at 17:46, chris cook wrote:

> try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and
> shut down your preciouse list!
>
Legal action probably only works with *unsolicited* mail.  At one
stage, you asked for this list, so therefore it is solicited mail.


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1997\08\16@102234 by rlunn

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> try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action
> and shut down your preciouse list!

       "It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."

       Fascinating neologisms!

               legal eagle = leagle

               precious louse = preciouse

       I'm concerned, though, that the grammer is sufficiently
       dense to allow the possibility that legal action is being
       threatened if snugglepuss (or whatever he calls himself)
       _doesn't_ continue to receive the mail...

___Bob

1997\08\16@102238 by rlunn

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> ...I scowl at the people who were rude and sarcastic.

       You sign yourself 'snagltooth'.

       Surely you're used to sarcasm by now?

___Bob

1997\08\16@113722 by David W. Duley

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In a message dated 97-08-16 08:47:13 EDT, you write:

<<
try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and shut
down your preciouse list!
 >>
You might want to learn how to spell legal.  It will help when you go to the
phone book for a lawyer.

1997\08\16@183815 by Ross McKenzie

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>I figured the RTFM, AFAIK etc ones out, but BTW still puzzles me...

By the way ...

1997\08\18@043806 by nvdw

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chris cook wrote:
>
> try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and shut
> down your preciouse list!

This person is really irritating me.

One consolation though... Since he can't spell
"legal" he won't get a lawyer to represent him!

His spelling of precious reminds me of Gollum.

Nic

1997\08\18@084809 by mikesmith_oz

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On 18 Aug 97 at 10:36, Nic van der Walt wrote:

> chris cook wrote:
> >
> > try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and shut
> > down your preciouse list!
>
> This person is really irritating me.
>
> One consolation though... Since he can't spell
> "legal" he won't get a lawyer to represent him!

I suspect lawyers would represent even the spelling impaired...  If
they can sense a $ in it for themselves.  Heck, they would probably
hire a consultant to make his letters understandable, and then charge
it at their usual cost + 150%

>
> His spelling of precious reminds me of Gollum.
>
If he wants a lawyer, his pocketses had better be deepses <g>
MikeS
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At 05:45 PM 8/14/97 +1000, you wrote:
>At 09:41 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote:
>>What's RTFM?
>>
>
>Read the f***ing manual. where flaming would be the polite version <g>.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Ross McKenzie
>Melbourne Australia
>
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