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get me off this list please!!!!!

Chris Cook wrote: > > get me off this list please!!!!! RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt spam_OUTtjaartTakeThisOuTwasp.co.za ________________________________________________________ | WASP International http://wasp.co.za | | R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development | |Vehicle tracking | Telemetry systems | GSM data transfer| |Voice : +27-(0)11-622-8686 | Fax : +27-(0)11-622-8973 | | WGS-84 : 26010.52'S 28006.19'E | |________________________________________________________|

Sorry Tjaart, your reply to field has your personal email - why was that ? At 06:46 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote: >Chris Cook wrote: >> >> get me off this list please!!!!! > >RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM This is a classic example of why we could use an unsubscribe link on the end of each post - and to Bob who complained about such extra B/W thats not relevant since look at the proportionate size of an unsubscribe message in comparison to the size of headers and/or the messages, your comments Bob about it being facile are just plain rubbish ! Rgds mike Perth, Western Australia

At 09:41 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote: >What's RTFM? > Read the f***ing manual. where flaming would be the polite version <g>. Regards, Ross McKenzie Melbourne Australia to reply by email remove the "nospam." text in my email address

Read The ... ummm....Fine? Manual. ---------- From: David BALDWIN[SMTP:EraseMEbaldwinspam_OUTTakeThisOuTETCA.ALCATEL.BE] Sent: 14 August 1997 08:41 To: PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: I want off list!! What's RTFM?

> Read The ... ummm....Fine? Manual. --- > > What's RTFM? Read The "Friendly" Manual -dg David Gould @spam@dgKILLspamillustra.com 510.628.3783 or 510.305.9468 Informix Software (formerly Illustra) 300 Lakeside Drive Oakland, CA 94612 Windows NT - Just another demon child borne from the courtship of boastful hype and wishful thinking.

Mike wrote: > This is a classic example of why we could use an unsubscribe link on the > end of each post - and to Bob who complained about such extra B/W thats > not relevant since look at the proportionate size of an unsubscribe > message in comparison to the size of headers and/or the messages, your > comments Bob about it being facile are just plain rubbish ! Gee Mike, you remembered! Actually, this thread simply proves my point. :) The original 'stop the world I want to get off' message was the first in a couple of weeks, and was about a dozen lines. It's generated a dozen responses so far (none of which actually told the original poster how to unsubscribe, so much for everybody putting helpful hints in their sigs) and each of which was larger than the original post. If we all just ignored the post, or pressed the replybot button to send the poster some useful directions in private email, we would have saved ten times the bandwidth originally wasted. ___Bob PS: Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the repetitious unsubscribe appendage. ...and my rubbish is not plain! It has raisins in it.

I'm curious how many people did simply reply to the offending email address. I did. I don't think many people on the list have tried to get off it, so most probably don't know how much of a pain it can be. I have two ways of sending email. Through Eudora mail, and through Pine. Eudora mail sets my return address as KILLspamiKILLspamspots.ab.ca, while pine sets it to RemoveMEiTakeThisOuTcheetah.spots.ab.ca. Both addresses goto the same mailbox. So, when I tried to get off the list, I got a reply that said I wasn't even on the list. I imagine that would stump most of the newbies that find there way onto the piclist. But after sending a half dozen messages, I found the problem and sent the unsubscribe mail from the proper address. Perhaps we just need more specific instructions in the "Welcome to the piclist" message, on how to get off it. And make it stand out more. The important lines seem burried rather deeply in the message. -Shane. On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Robert Lunn wrote: {Quote hidden}> If we all just ignored the post, or pressed the replybot button > to send the poster some useful directions in private email, we > would have saved ten times the bandwidth originally wasted. > > ___Bob > > PS: Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users > to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the > repetitious unsubscribe appendage. > > ...and my rubbish is not plain! It has raisins in it. >

At 09:46 PM 8/14/97 +0000, you wrote: > Actually, this thread simply proves my point. :) Bollocks (:o) We wouldn't have the original trigger if the sig was automatically in place (Though this assumes that people have the presence of mind to actually read a nice short to the point sig OR click on it to unsubscribe). > The original 'stop the world I want to get off' message was the > first in a couple of weeks, and was about a dozen lines. It's > generated a dozen responses so far (none of which actually told > the original poster how to unsubscribe, so much for everybody > putting helpful hints in their sigs) and each of which was larger > than the original post. Yes. I agree - so why didn't you ? Your raisins got chewed up. > If we all just ignored the post, or pressed the replybot button > to send the poster some useful directions in private email, we > would have saved ten times the bandwidth originally wasted. This is human nature - nothing will regulate that - you can reduce the potential for exageration by sound pre-emptive management by putting a simple - even ONE line unsubscribe message/link - heck even I've forgotten, so of the 1350 people on this list I may not be the only one who could use it - besides the person wishing to unsubscribe. >PS: Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users > to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the > repetitious unsubscribe appendage. Where did you get 10% from - Eh ? Well heck make it a ONE LINER - is that too much ? OR why can't the list server ONLY put unsubscribe messages to individual posts - that would fix it and make everyone happy - OR are you going to make up more numbers to try and argue against speculative improvement which is what I thought PIC programmers were famous for ?!? I'm on several technical lists - the quietest best run HAVE the unsubscribe signature appended by the list server. Now this list is likely to have more subscribers - are you saying we should _hope_ things improve or are you in politics or aromatherapy ? > ...and my rubbish is not plain! It has raisins in it. Next time Bob - give it a chance to germinate but, then again raisins are dried up dead grapes - so just add it to the compost ;) Rgds mike Perth, Western Australia

What do all the fu**ing messages mean ? --

I just want to take the time to thank all the people who responded to my message with sarcasm....you made me feel SO welcome! Did it ever occur to you people that there may be technical difficulties? Not just blatent ignorence or stupidity? Obviousely not....... I sent the signoff piclist twice, read the instructions several times and yet I'm STILL on the list. I apologise to those I offended with my "shouting" and I scowl at the people who were rude and sarcastic.

Bob Lunn 08/15/97 11:02 AM >> Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users >> to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the >> repetitious unsubscribe appendage. > > Where did you get 10% from - Eh ? Mike, from the same place that you get your risk estimates. (And why do you grunt at the end of every sentence? Eh?) > Now this list is likely to have more subscribers - are you saying > we should _hope_ things improve? My position is that the mooted problem is minor, and that all the implementable changes so far proposed only make this minor problem worse. These proposed changes are therefore not 'improvements'. ___Bob

Bob Lunn 08/15/97 02:25 PM >> Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users >> to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the >> repetitious unsubscribe appendage. > > Where did you get 10% from - Eh ? Mike, from the same place that you get your risk estimates. (And why do you grunt at the end of every sentence? Eh?) > Now this list is likely to have more subscribers - are you saying > we should _hope_ things improve? My position is that the mooted problem is minor, and that all the implementable changes so far proposed only make this minor problem worse. These proposed changes are therefore not 'improvements'. ___Bob

chris cook wrote: > > I just want to take the time to thank all the people who responded to my > message with sarcasm....you made me feel SO welcome! > Did it ever occur to you people that there may be technical > difficulties? > Not just blatent ignorence or stupidity? > Obviousely not....... > I sent the signoff piclist twice, read the instructions several times > and yet I'm STILL on the list. > I apologise to those I offended with my "shouting" and I scowl at the > people who were rude and sarcastic. Just remember that some of the people who got extremely rude (like me) did it because you screamed, and not because of what you screamed about. The is a very stringent etiquette on the web and you broke it badly. Regards Nic

Shane Nelson wrote: > Perhaps we just need more specific instructions in the "Welcome to the > piclist" message, on how to get off it. And make it stand out more. > The important lines seem buried rather deeply in the message. Indeed it could be a LOT better. For a start, it does NOT even explain whether commands are to be in the Subject line or in the message body. This is, curiously enough, important! If in the body, then what IS supposed to be in the Subject line as Netscape for one demands a subject line in order to send? If commands are to go in the body, then can one send more than one command in a message? To get around this, I have in the past simply put the command in BOTH! I find this all rather counter-intuitive as I would expect the command to go in the Subject line. That said, the welcome message should contain a tabular list of ALL commands and options. It is obviously written for (or by) a guru who knows it all already. It should give a direct link to the FAQ or MAN of the listserver IMHO. Cheers, Paul B. VK2BZC

You can leave the Subject blank if your reader will let you, and yes, you can put multiple commands in the body. Some can even be stacked, if they start with the same command. For instance: SET PICLIST command1 SET PICLIST command2 SET PICLIST command3 ...can be combined into: SET PICLIST command1 command2 command3 This is pretty standard LISTSERV stuff. CIAO - Martin R. Green spamBeGoneelimarspamBeGonebigfoot.com ---------- From: Paul B. Webster[SMTP:TakeThisOuTpaulbEraseMEspam_OUTmidcoast.com.au] Sent: Friday, August 15, 1997 8:23 AM To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu Subject: Re: I want off list!! Shane Nelson wrote: > Perhaps we just need more specific instructions in the "Welcome to the > piclist" message, on how to get off it. And make it stand out more. > The important lines seem buried rather deeply in the message. Indeed it could be a LOT better. For a start, it does NOT even explain whether commands are to be in the Subject line or in the message body. This is, curiously enough, important! If in the body, then what IS supposed to be in the Subject line as Netscape for one demands a subject line in order to send? If commands are to go in the body, then can one send more than one command in a message? To get around this, I have in the past simply put the command in BOTH! I find this all rather counter-intuitive as I would expect the command to go in the Subject line. That said, the welcome message should contain a tabular list of ALL commands and options. It is obviously written for (or by) a guru who knows it all already. It should give a direct link to the FAQ or MAN of the listserver IMHO. Cheers, Paul B. VK2BZC

Ross McKenzie wrote: > > At 09:41 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote: > >What's RTFM? > > > > Read the f***ing manual. where flaming would be the polite version <g>. > > Regards, > > Ross McKenzie > Melbourne Australia > > to reply by email remove the "nospam." text in my email address Does anyone have the disctonary of e-amil abbreviations? I figured the RTFM, AFAIK etc ones out, but BTW still puzzles me... -- Eric van Es | Cape Town, South-Africa Mailto:vanesEraseME.....ilink.nis.za | WWW: http://www.nis.za/~vanes/ TEMPORARY/HOLIDAY ACCOMMODATION? http://www.nis.za/~vanes/accom.htm

I've seen a few such dictionaries out there, but I forget where I saw them. For now here's a couple: BTW: By The Way IMHO: In My Humble Opinion TIA: Thanks In Advance CIAO - Martin R. Green EraseMEelimarbigfoot.com ---------- From: Eric van Es[SMTP:RemoveMEvanesEraseMEEraseMEILINK.NIS.ZA] Sent: Friday, August 15, 1997 4:18 AM To: RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: I want off list!! Ross McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}> > At 09:41 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote: > >What's RTFM? > > > > Read the f***ing manual. where flaming would be the polite version <g>. > > Regards, > > Ross McKenzie > Melbourne Australia > > to reply by email remove the "nospam." text in my email address Does anyone have the disctonary of e-amil abbreviations? I figured the RTFM, AFAIK etc ones out, but BTW still puzzles me... -- Eric van Es | Cape Town, South-Africa Mailto:RemoveMEvanesTakeThisOuTspamilink.nis.za | WWW: http://www.nis.za/~vanes/ TEMPORARY/HOLIDAY ACCOMMODATION? http://www.nis.za/~vanes/accom.htm

> I figured the RTFM, AFAIK etc ones out, but BTW still puzzles me... By The Way, some other acronyms you may encounter [briefing you in advance]: ROFL -- Rolling on floor laughing ROFLMAO -- Rolling on floor laughing my [derriere] off. IMHO -- In my humble opinion IANAL -- I am not a lawyer >:*3 -- [including the greater-than sign] Cat smiley (an original of mine)

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HTML> Chris Cook wrote:

get me off this list please!!!!!

Try unsubscribing...

what would the world do without your excellent advice........

try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and shut down your preciouse list!

chris cook wrote: > try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and > shut > down your preciouse list! Fri, 16 May 1997 01:58:16 Your subscription to the PICLIST list (pic microcontroller discussion list) has been accepted. Please save this message for future reference, especially if this is the first time you subscribe to an electronic mailing list. If you ever need to leave the list, you will find the necessary instructions below. Perhaps more importantly, saving a copy of this message (and of all future subscription notices from other mailing lists) in a special mail folder will give you instant access to the list of mailing lists that you are subscribed to. This may prove very useful the next time you go on vacation and need to leave the lists temporarily so as not to fill up your mailbox while you are away! You should also save the "welcome messages" from the list owners that you will occasionally receive after subscribing to a new list. To send a message to all the people currently subscribed to the list, just send mail to EraseMEPICLISTspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU. This is called "sending mail to the list", because you send mail to a single address and LISTSERV makes copies for all the people who have subscribed. This address (RemoveMEPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU) is also called the "list address". You must never try to send any command to that address, as it would be distributed to all the people who have subscribed. All commands must be sent to the "LISTSERV address", LISTSERVSTOPspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or spamBeGoneLISTSERVSTOPspamEraseMEMITVMA.BITNET). It is very important to understand the difference between the two, but fortunately it is not complicated. The LISTSERV address is like a FAX number that connects you to a machine, whereas the list address is like a normal voice line connecting you to a person. If you make a mistake and dial the FAX number when you wanted to talk to someone on the phone, you will quickly realize that you used the wrong number and call again. No harm will have been done. If on the other hand you accidentally make your FAX call someone's voice line, the person receiving the call will be inconvenienced, especially if your FAX then re-dials every 5 minutes. The fact that most people will eventually connect the FAX machine to the voice line to allow the FAX to go through and make the calls stop does not mean that you should continue to send FAXes to the voice number. People would just get mad at you. It works pretty much the same way with mailing lists, with the difference that you are calling hundreds or thousands of people at the same time, and consequently you can expect a lot of people to get upset if you consistently send commands to the list address. You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST" command to KILLspamLISTSERVspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or EraseMELISTSERVEraseMEMITVMA.BITNET). You can also tell LISTSERV how you want it to confirm the receipt of messages you send to the list. If you do not trust the system, send a "SET PICLIST REPRO" command and LISTSERV will send you a copy of your own messages, so that you can see that the message was distributed and did not get damaged on the way. After a while you may find that this is getting annoying, especially if your mail program does not tell you that the message is from you when it informs you that new mail has arrived from PICLIST. If you send a "SET PICLIST ACK NOREPRO" command, LISTSERV will mail you a short acknowledgement instead, which will look different in your mailbox directory. With most mail programs you will know immediately that this is an acknowledgement you can read later. Finally, you can turn off acknowledgements completely with "SET PICLIST NOACK NOREPRO". Following instructions from the list owner, your subscription options have been set to "CONCEAL MIME" rather than the usual LISTSERV defaults. For more information about subscription options, send a "QUERY PICLIST" command to @spam@LISTSERV@spam@spam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or spamBeGoneLISTSERVKILLspamMITVMA.BITNET). Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get a list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX PICLIST" command to .....LISTSERVspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or TakeThisOuTLISTSERV.....TakeThisOuTMITVMA.BITNET). You can then order these files with a "GET PICLIST LOGxxxx" command, or using LISTSERV's database search facilities. Send an "INFO DATABASE" command for more information on the latter. This list is available in digest form. If you wish to receive the digested version of the postings, just issue a SET PICLIST DIGEST command. More information on LISTSERV commands can be found in the LISTSERV reference card, which you can retrieve by sending an "INFO REFCARD" command to TakeThisOuTLISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or .....LISTSERVRemoveMEMITVMA.BITNET).

On 15 Aug 97 at 17:46, chris cook wrote: > try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and > shut down your preciouse list! > Legal action probably only works with *unsolicited* mail. At one stage, you asked for this list, so therefore it is solicited mail. MikeS <RemoveMEmikesmith_ozspamBeGonerelaymail.net> === For PICLIST help (including "unsubscribe" instructions), === send an e-mail containing the single phrase "help piclist" === to: spamBeGonelistserv@spam@spam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu

> try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action > and shut down your preciouse list! "It's life, Jim, but not as we know it." Fascinating neologisms! legal eagle = leagle precious louse = preciouse I'm concerned, though, that the grammer is sufficiently dense to allow the possibility that legal action is being threatened if snugglepuss (or whatever he calls himself) _doesn't_ continue to receive the mail... ___Bob

> ...I scowl at the people who were rude and sarcastic. You sign yourself 'snagltooth'. Surely you're used to sarcasm by now? ___Bob

In a message dated 97-08-16 08:47:13 EDT, you write: << try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and shut down your preciouse list! >> You might want to learn how to spell legal. It will help when you go to the phone book for a lawyer.

>I figured the RTFM, AFAIK etc ones out, but BTW still puzzles me... By the way ...

chris cook wrote: > > try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and shut > down your preciouse list! This person is really irritating me. One consolation though... Since he can't spell "legal" he won't get a lawyer to represent him! His spelling of precious reminds me of Gollum. Nic

On 18 Aug 97 at 10:36, Nic van der Walt wrote: > chris cook wrote: > > > > try not ever sending me mail again nor I'll take leagle action and shut > > down your preciouse list! > > This person is really irritating me. > > One consolation though... Since he can't spell > "legal" he won't get a lawyer to represent him! I suspect lawyers would represent even the spelling impaired... If they can sense a $ in it for themselves. Heck, they would probably hire a consultant to make his letters understandable, and then charge it at their usual cost + 150% > > His spelling of precious reminds me of Gollum. > If he wants a lawyer, his pocketses had better be deepses <g> MikeS <TakeThisOuTmikesmith_ozspamrelaymail.net> === For PICLIST help (including "unsubscribe" instructions), === send an e-mail containing the single phrase "help piclist" === to: listservEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu

Or Read the Fine Manual ;})> At 05:45 PM 8/14/97 +1000, you wrote: >At 09:41 AM 8/14/97 +0200, you wrote: >>What's RTFM? >> > >Read the f***ing manual. where flaming would be the polite version <g>. > > >Regards, > >Ross McKenzie >Melbourne Australia > >to reply by email remove the "nospam." text in my email address > > Larry G. Nelson Sr. RemoveMEL.NelsonEraseMEspam_OUTieee.org http://www.ultranet.com/~nr