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'I Hate Dongles!'
1998\07\22@092953 by Thomas McGahee

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I recently had to bring out of mothballs a PCB layout program that
I had bought two years ago. I had purchased two copies. Each came
with the disgusting dongle. Originally both worked fine, two
years ago.

When I attached the first dongle and fired up the software, I got
the message "No Dongle Present".  I attached the second dongle.
"No Dongle Present". I tried both dongles on SIX different machines
ranging from dumb old 286s to 200 Mhz Pentium Pro machines. Same
result each time. I called the company. For $100 they will sell
me a replacement dongle, because I am a registered buyer.

I said "No thank you" and explained that I would never ever
purchase a dongled product from them again. (I have purchased over
a dozen such products from them in the past, costing several thousands
of dollars total).

The stupidity of having to have the dongle attached is bad enough,
but when the program refuses to run because the dongle goes bad,
and my entire investment of several hundred dollars goes down
the tube, it really gets me upset.

I despise copy protection schemes, because it is the legitimate
purchaser who ultimately gets stuck with the bloated bill and
left with a flakey product.

Fr. Tom McGahee

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1998\07\22@101556 by Montaigne, Mike

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I agree, preach it brother, amen!!
Problem is, what mid-priced, brand name package,
hopefully with some crude measure of support and user base
is available without a dongle.....
Seems that all PCB layout guys must be crooks.
Frustrating isn't it
Mike Montaigne
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1998\07\22@101909 by Andy Kunz

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At 10:11 AM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree, preach it brother, amen!!
>Problem is, what mid-priced, brand name package,
>hopefully with some crude measure of support and user base
>is available without a dongle.....
>Seems that all PCB layout guys must be crooks.


Buy SuperCAD from http://www.mentala.com

I love it!

Andy

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Andy Kunz - Statistical Research, Inc. - Westfield, New Jersey USA
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1998\07\22@110700 by paulb

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Thomas McGahee wrote:

> I despise copy protection schemes, because it is the legitimate
> purchaser who ultimately gets stuck with the bloated bill and
> left with a flakey product.

 Caveat Emptor.
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 Cheers,
       Paul B.

1998\07\22@122328 by craiglee

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Get Protel!

Craig

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I agree, preach it brother, amen!!
Problem is, what mid-priced, brand name package,
hopefully with some crude measure of support and user base
is available without a dongle.....
Seems that all PCB layout guys must be crooks.
Frustrating isn't it
Mike Montaigne
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1998\07\22@160927 by Smargiassi

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The main problem with Doggles is
       THEY DO NOT BENIFIT THE CUSTOMER.

Any time company sells a product to the customer, the customer is
paying for something of benifit.  Otherwise, the customer should not
buy the product.
Therefore,

       DO NOT BUY PRODUCTS WITH DOGGLES.

Doggles only help the company selling the product and are a problem
for the customer.

Paul Smargiassi

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1998\07\22@233856 by Alan King

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Of course not.  What a one sided view of the argument.  If
the small minus of the dongle outweighs the plus of the
software don't get it.  But if you want to run the software
you deal with the dongle.  Your PC is a bigass dongle to let
you run Chairman Gates' software.  It is expensive (but not
so bad nowadays), and prone to problems and
incompatabilities.  But you work around it because you have
things you want to run, just like I do.  Yes it can be
annoying, but really the only difference is semantics
because of who is supplying the hardware and whether the
hardware is general purpose or just allows you to run one
program.  If I decide to make a $10k flight simulator and
want to protect myself and sell it with a custom video card,
that's my right.  And most relevant, if you want to use my
simulator bad enough, you'll buy it and deal with it.
 As someone else suggested, store code on the pic, but have
several segments that come in and overlay onto themselves in
the same area.  You can even have them modify themselves
while they're coming in.  And store variables on the pic
modifies in various ways over time and have the program
choke when the right numbers aren't available at the right
times.  Combinations of these can be tough to program and
very difficult to figure out what's going on, much less
duplicate/recode..


Paul R. Smargiassi wrote:
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