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2007\10\11@162353 by Nate Duehr

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Vitaliy wrote:

> Our company is having a very hard time hiring good technical people
> (software developers, graphics designers, web developers), and I feel like
> I'm wasting money on Monster and Careerbuilder.

In my opinion, the pendulum is just swinging back and forth, like it
always has.

Many people are disillusioned with engineering and technical fields again.

Those that were in it for the money and not because they enjoyed the
work are virtually gone, and the supply of fresh youngsters is low.

Technical jobs are not "in fashion" like they were in the 90's.

Companies also expect miracles, and want 10+ year people only.

In many cases you can read between the lines on their job postings and
see that not only are they needing someone because the key person who
built their widget/server farm/network/whatever is gone, but they also
know it's badly designed and they need a very senior person to figure
the mess out  and clean it up.

Then the kicker... they want to pay less than average market value for
that job.  You see that ALL the time on Monster/Careerbuilder.

(I saw a position posted where someone wanted a sysadmin for 400+ Linux
servers, in a clustered environment... for $40K.  Sure.  Great starter
job for someone with no experience, but that's ridiculous for a seasoned
sysadmin.  That works out to $100/machine/year.)

> A guy I met at a conference in Colorado last month, mentioned that he met
> some of his current employees at professional trade shows. I've hired a good
> hardware engineer this spring after I met him at a senior project fair. Is
> unemployment so low, that people are no longer actively looking for work?

I think the supply of talent is slower due to the above.   Many smart
people are doing other things other than engineering and technical
roles, because they actually feel like they have more control over their
financial success.  If they sell a multi-million dollar account in
sales, that commission check is really going to be worth the effort.

> Please help me better spend my employment ad budget. :)

Spend it on training for an ethusiastic youngster who has the raw talent
and capabilities to do what you want done?  :-)

Nate

2007\10\11@170022 by Paul Anderson

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On 10/11/07, Nate Duehr <spam_OUTnateTakeThisOuTspamnatetech.com> wrote:
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>
> (I saw a position posted where someone wanted a sysadmin for 400+ Linux
> servers, in a clustered environment... for $40K.  Sure.  Great starter
> job for someone with no experience, but that's ridiculous for a seasoned
> sysadmin.  That works out to $100/machine/year.)
>
>
There's a certain number of people who leave computers entirely
because of this.  A welder makes more money than that, and I can bet
you he doesn't have to carry a pager.

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Paul Anderson
VE6HOP
.....wackyvorlonKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com
http://www.oldschoolhacker.com
"May the electromotive force be with you."

2007\10\12@110743 by alan smith

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yeah....few years in the oil fields....can probably retire comfortably

Paul Anderson <wackyvorlonspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote: On 10/11/07, Nate Duehr  wrote:
>
>
> (I saw a position posted where someone wanted a sysadmin for 400+ Linux
> servers, in a clustered environment... for $40K.  Sure.  Great starter
> job for someone with no experience, but that's ridiculous for a seasoned
> sysadmin.  That works out to $100/machine/year.)
>
>
There's a certain number of people who leave computers entirely
because of this.  A welder makes more money than that, and I can bet
you he doesn't have to carry a pager.

--
Paul Anderson
VE6HOP
.....wackyvorlonKILLspamspam.....gmail.com
http://www.oldschoolhacker.com
"May the electromotive force be with you."

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