Post by thread:Hard buying choices...

Hello, I wish to be equipped to develop in " PIC". I would wish to avoid losing money and avoiding a nervous breakdown because of the providers who ensure a bad technical support (that exists, I already met some !). For programming chips I would like a model which covers in an exhaustive way all the range (not knowing today what will be the market tomorrow). I consider either a " PICSTARTPLUS " of Microchip or one PIC16Cxx Programmer from Parallax. For these two models I however noticed that they did not support all the chips. In other hand I think about a compiler " C " from CCS (the PW package for 12 and 14 bits core) or a PicBasicPro from microEngineering Labs, Inc (14 bits core, a version 16 is in preparation). Just one amazing thing with CCS : 300$ for the product and 200$ for the support, it are not balanced! They are not final choices. All advises, all infomations are welcome. Cordially. Dan

Spk41q@AOL.COM wrote: > In other hand I think about a compiler " C " from CCS (the PW package for 12 > and 14 bits core) or a PicBasicPro from microEngineering Labs, Inc (14 bits > core, a version 16 is in > preparation). Just one amazing thing with CCS : 300$ for the product and 200$ > for the support, it are not balanced! At least you get the option of support with CCS -- Peter Cousens email: spam_OUTcousensTakeThisOuTher.forthnet.gr phone: + 3081 380534 snailmail: Folia, Agia Fotini, Karteros, Heraklion Crete, Greece. We cannot blame God for creating a World with so many problems, He had just upgraded from win3.11 to win95. No wonder Eve recommended Apple.

As for the programmer, I would lean toward the ProPic2. If you want to build your own programmer, as I did, they provide the schematic. Or you can buy the programmer already built. I am really happy with the programmer and thier software. I think if you build the programmer, the software is about $40. Well worth it. And Octavio is on this list should problems arise. I don't work for them, I am just very satisfied with the system I ended up with. Thier web site is http://members.tripod.com/ProPic/ Mike Gann .....Spk41qKILLspam@spam@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > > I wish to be equipped to develop in " PIC". I would wish to avoid losi ng {Quote hidden}> money and avoiding a nervous breakdown because of the providers who ensure a > bad > technical support (that exists, I already met some !). > > For programming chips I would like a model which covers in an exhaustive way > all the range (not > knowing today what will be the market tomorrow). > I consider either a " PICSTARTPLUS " of Microchip or one PIC16Cxx Programmer > from Parallax. For these two > models I however noticed that they did not support all the chips. > > In other hand I think about a compiler " C " from CCS (the PW package for 12 > and 14 bits core) or a PicBasicPro from microEngineering Labs, Inc (14 bits > core, a version 16 is in > preparation). Just one amazing thing with CCS : 300$ for the product and 200$ > for the support, it are not balanced! > > They are not final choices. All advises, all infomations are welcome. > Cordially. > Dan

>As for the programmer, I would lean toward the ProPic2. >If you want to build your own programmer, as I did, they >provide the schematic. Or you can buy the programmer already built. >I am really happy with the programmer and thier software. I think if you >build the programmer, the software is about $40. Well worth it. >And Octavio is on this list should problems arise. >I don't work for them, I am just very satisfied with the system >I ended up with. >Thier web site is > >http://members.tripod.com/ProPic/ > >Mike Gann Thank you for the encouraging words Mike, the web site is even easier to remember: http://www.propic2.com Octavio ============================================== Octavio Nogueira - nogueiraKILLspampropic2.com ICQ# 19841898 From the creator of ProPic, ProPic 2 now much better New ProPic 2 homepage: http://www.propic2.com PIC Programmer for Windows with down to earth price ==============================================

Mike Gann wrote: > > As for the programmer, I would lean toward the ProPic2. I think I may have found a hardware bug in the ProPic. I reported it to Octavio and as far as I know he's checking it out. If you program a 14000 with it the OSC2 pin is connected to Gnd which may cause a S/C. I'm sure I found another similar problem but I will have to check it over again. PicNPoke will shortly have it's own DIY programmer with upper and lower Vcc verification complete with a PC driven External Port Interface module. It uses a similar arrangement by using a 40 pin ZIF socket, but the only way I could find to include the 14000 was to insert it upside down. I haven't found a way of programming 16Cxx and 16c5x chips in the one socket along with the 14000. That may involve powering the 16Cxx chips from pins from the programming PIC. I don't know if this will work. -- Best regards Tony Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools. http://www.picnpoke.com Email .....picnpokeKILLspam.....cdi.com.au