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1998\10\25@051428 by Starfire Zhu

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Hello, PIClisters,

A few types of microchips products now have their compatible
counterparts!!!
The prices are lower more than 30% off!!!

If this is your interest, please contact me ASAP!

Best regurads

--
===============  Starfire Zhu  ===================
Love human, love peace! Work for success!
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Tel: 86-756-2236157  2115540   FAX: 2115541
Add: Rm.104, 2nd Bld., #26, GongYe Rd.3, XiangZhou
    Zhuhai City, GuangDong PR. China  519000
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1998\10\25@105325 by jamesp

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Send me more info and details on this bit of news.

                                                       Thanks and Regards,

                                                                 Jim

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1998\10\25@123649 by Fernando Santos

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Hello, Starfire Zhu
Can You sent me attached to e-mail the list and price from the
compactible devices?

Thank You
Fernando Santos
EraseMEmop18932spam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTmail.telepac.pt


Starfire Zhu escreveu:

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1998\10\25@153357 by gwaiche

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Hi!

I'm also interested.

Thanks in advance.

Gael


Starfire Zhu wrote:
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1998\10\25@231810 by Starfire Zhu

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Hi,

Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it in a
text editor like Notebook).
The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure will
make you smile.
(At least 30% off than PIC!!)

Keep contact if I may help you.

Best Reguards!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

MDT1005/1010
Compatible 8-bit CMOS Microcontrollers

Model    MDT1005    MDT1010
ROM size   0.5K X 14   1.0K X 14
RAM size   25 bytes   25 bytes
Instruction bits  14 bits    14 bits
Data bus   8 bits    8 bits
Number of instructions  36    26
Operation frequency (Hz) 20M    20M
Operation Voltage (V)  2.3~6.3    2.3~6.3
Instruction Cycle time (ns) 200    200
Special registers  7    7
I/O    17 I/O, 1 input   17 I/O, 1 input
Timer/counter   8 bits    8 bits
Timer prescaler   8 bits    8 bits
Stack levels   2    2
Watchdog function  Enable/Disable   Enable/Disable
OST time   150us,20ms,40ms,80ms  150us,20ms,40ms,80ms
Oscillator type  RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT  RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT
Pull-up resistor  PA,PB,RTCC   PA,PB,RTCC
Sleep current @5V  <12.0uA, WDT Enable  <12.0uA, WDT Enable
   <1.0uA, WDT Disable  <1.0uA, WDT Disable
Power-On reset   Yes    Yes
Power-Edge detector reset Yes    Yes
Packages   18 pins(300mil body);  18 pins(300mil body);
   DIP,SOP    DIP,SOP

Features as compared with PIC:
1. MDT has a PED (Power Edge Detector) to watch the power supply, it
will start a
RESET when the voltage gets as low as 1.1~1.3V.
2. For Code protection, MDT has 3 choices: Enable, Disable and
Weak-enable. And it
uses SEC(security) to replace CP(code protection). Unlike PIC, If the
chip is
programmed with SEC = Enable, the chip can't reprogrammed as SEC
disabled anymore.
3. MDT Microcontrollers provide 4 OST(Oscillator Setup Time) choices for
versatile
applications: 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms. In many cases, this may offer good
help.
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===============  Starfire Zhu  ===================
Love human, love peace! Work for success!
==================================================
Tel: 86-756-2236157  2115540   FAX: 2115541
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1998\10\26@060353 by Cheney, Joseph

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Can you sent some info to my email address?

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Starfire Zhu [RemoveMEzhuxhTakeThisOuTspamCHEERFUL.COM]
Sent: 25 October 1998 09:13
To: spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGonespamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Good news: compatible microchip's products available!!


Hello, PIClisters,

A few types of microchips products now have their compatible
counterparts!!!
The prices are lower more than 30% off!!!

If this is your interest, please contact me ASAP!

Best regurads

--
===============  Starfire Zhu  ===================
Love human, love peace! Work for success!
==================================================
Tel: 86-756-2236157  2115540   FAX: 2115541
Add: Rm.104, 2nd Bld., #26, GongYe Rd.3, XiangZhou
    Zhuhai City, GuangDong PR. China  519000
Email: TakeThisOuTzhuxhEraseMEspamspam_OUTcheerful.com      ICQ#:7037093
==================================================

1998\10\26@071239 by Starfire Zhu

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Hi, Joseph,

Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it in a
text editor like Notebook).
The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure will
make you smile.
(At least 30% off than PIC!!)

Keep contact if I may help you.

Best Reguards!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

MDT1005/1010
Compatible 8-bit CMOS Microcontrollers

Model    MDT1005    MDT1010
ROM size   0.5K X 14   1.0K X 14
RAM size   25 bytes   25 bytes
Instruction bits  14 bits    14 bits
Data bus   8 bits    8 bits
Number of instructions  36    26
Operation frequency (Hz) 20M    20M
Operation Voltage (V)  2.3~6.3    2.3~6.3
Instruction Cycle time (ns) 200    200
Special registers  7    7
I/O    17 I/O, 1 input   17 I/O, 1 input
Timer/counter   8 bits    8 bits
Timer prescaler   8 bits    8 bits
Stack levels   2    2
Watchdog function  Enable/Disable   Enable/Disable
OST time   150us,20ms,40ms,80ms  150us,20ms,40ms,80ms
Oscillator type  RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT  RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT
Pull-up resistor  PA,PB,RTCC   PA,PB,RTCC
Sleep current @5V  <12.0uA, WDT Enable  <12.0uA, WDT Enable
   <1.0uA, WDT Disable  <1.0uA, WDT Disable
Power-On reset   Yes    Yes
Power-Edge detector reset Yes    Yes
Packages   18 pins(300mil body);  18 pins(300mil body);
   DIP,SOP    DIP,SOP

Features as compared with PIC:
1. MDT has a PED (Power Edge Detector) to watch the power supply, it
will start a
RESET when the voltage gets as low as 1.1~1.3V.
2. For Code protection, MDT has 3 choices: Enable, Disable and
Weak-enable. And it
uses SEC(security) to replace CP(code protection). Unlike PIC, If the
chip is
programmed with SEC = Enable, the chip can't reprogrammed as SEC
disabled anymore.
3. MDT Microcontrollers provide 4 OST(Oscillator Setup Time) choices for
versatile
applications: 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms. In many cases, this may offer good
help.
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Cheney, Joseph wrote:

> Can you sent some info to my email address?
>
> Thanks
>
> {Original Message removed}

1998\10\26@090340 by David Wong

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What company produces these and what is their website.

       -----Original Message-----
       From:   Starfire Zhu [SMTP:RemoveMEzhuxhspamTakeThisOuTCHEERFUL.COM]
       Sent:   Sunday, October 25, 1998 11:16 PM
       To:     PICLISTEraseMEspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU
       Subject:        Re: Good news: compatible microchip's products
available!!

       Hi,

       Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it
in a
       text editor like Notebook).
       The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure
will
       make you smile.
       (At least 30% off than PIC!!)

       Keep contact if I may help you.

       Best Reguards!


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

       MDT1005/1010
       Compatible 8-bit CMOS Microcontrollers

       Model    MDT1005    MDT1010
       ROM size   0.5K X 14   1.0K X 14
       RAM size   25 bytes   25 bytes
       Instruction bits  14 bits    14 bits
       Data bus   8 bits    8 bits
       Number of instructions  36    26
       Operation frequency (Hz) 20M    20M
       Operation Voltage (V)  2.3~6.3    2.3~6.3
       Instruction Cycle time (ns) 200    200
       Special registers  7    7
       I/O    17 I/O, 1 input   17 I/O, 1 input
       Timer/counter   8 bits    8 bits
       Timer prescaler   8 bits    8 bits
       Stack levels   2    2
       Watchdog function  Enable/Disable   Enable/Disable
       OST time   150us,20ms,40ms,80ms  150us,20ms,40ms,80ms
       Oscillator type  RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT  RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT
       Pull-up resistor  PA,PB,RTCC   PA,PB,RTCC
       Sleep current @5V  <12.0uA, WDT Enable  <12.0uA, WDT Enable
           <1.0uA, WDT Disable  <1.0uA, WDT Disable
       Power-On reset   Yes    Yes
       Power-Edge detector reset Yes    Yes
       Packages   18 pins(300mil body);  18 pins(300mil body);
           DIP,SOP    DIP,SOP

       Features as compared with PIC:
       1. MDT has a PED (Power Edge Detector) to watch the power supply, it
       will start a
       RESET when the voltage gets as low as 1.1~1.3V.
       2. For Code protection, MDT has 3 choices: Enable, Disable and
       Weak-enable. And it
       uses SEC(security) to replace CP(code protection). Unlike PIC, If
the
       chip is
       programmed with SEC = Enable, the chip can't reprogrammed as SEC
       disabled anymore.
       3. MDT Microcontrollers provide 4 OST(Oscillator Setup Time) choices
for
       versatile
       applications: 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms. In many cases, this may offer
good
       help.

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       ===============  Starfire Zhu  ===================
       Love human, love peace! Work for success!
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1998\10\26@102138 by Valter Gruntar

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Hi!

I'm also interested too.

Thanks in advance.

Valter

Starfire Zhu wrote:

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1998\10\26@113024 by cousens

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Starfire Zhu wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it in a
> text editor like Notebook).
> The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure will
> make you smile.
> (At least 30% off than PIC!!)

I prefer to stick with genuine PIC parts
They have a proven track record, can yours be pluged in the wrong
way round and survive, burn your finger and still work or be
powered direct from a 9V alkaline battery without damage?

Also will you be releasing regular
upgrades of SPLAB IDE, SPLAB-C and SPASM ?

PS I am only this loyal to a company if they are straight with me.
Bouncing hundreds of messages to the PIClist though infuriating,
doesn't count.
The truth about SX doesn't count either, I won't touch the SX as long
as it's associated with parallax (parallax a bigger bunch of liers
is hard to find)
--
Peter Cousens
email: RemoveMEcousensspam_OUTspamKILLspamher.forthnet.gr  phone: + 3081 380534
snailmail:  Folia, Agia Fotini, Karteros, Heraklion  Crete, Greece.

Is it true that they have, on the new version of windows
managed to increase the MTBF from 95 to 98 minutes ?
(That's why they called it 95)

1998\10\26@125547 by Peter L. Peres

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Is the programming algorythm directly equivalent to PIC54 etc (parallel)
or does one need special tools, and if so, which, and how much do they
cost. Is the programming a parallel process or the serial process applied
to 54 series cores.

Peter

1998\10\26@125549 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Starfire Zhu wrote:

> I/O    17 I/O, 1 input   17 I/O, 1 input
        ^^^               ^^^
How can an 18 pin package have 18 IO pins ? Can you please rectify this
information ?
            vv                     vv
> Packages   18 pins(300mil body);  18 pins(300mil body);
>     DIP,SOP    DIP,SOP

Also, I'd like to know if the chips are specified as full static CMOS or
do they have a minimum clock frequency ?

regards,

Peter

1998\10\26@140221 by Starfire Zhu

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Hi,

No website available at present. The company is in China.

David Wong wrote:

> What company produces these and what is their website.



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1998\10\26@140226 by Starfire Zhu

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Hi, thank you for instructing.
You are right, 17I/O should have been 12I/O.
With other respects, they are as good as genuin PIC

Best reguards!

Peter L. Peres wrote:

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1998\10\26@140229 by Starfire Zhu

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Hi, Peter,

The programming tool required is a bit different than PIC. I can provide
timing spec. for you to deal with this or I can provide specific programmers
to do the programming.


Peter L. Peres wrote:

> Is the programming algorythm directly equivalent to PIC54 etc (parallel)
> or does one need special tools, and if so, which, and how much do they
> cost. Is the programming a parallel process or the serial process applied
> to 54 series cores.
>
> Peter



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Tel: 86-756-2236157  2115540   FAX: 2115541
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1998\10\26@141438 by Eisermann, Phil

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> David Wong wrote:
>
       > > What company produces these and what is their website.

       To which Starfire Zhu replied:
       No website available at present. The company is in China.

       ...and the name of the company would be?

1998\10\26@142437 by Peter L. Peres

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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Starfire Zhu wrote:

> Hi, Peter,
>
> The programming tool required is a bit different than PIC. I can provide
> timing spec. for you to deal with this or I can provide specific programmers
> to do the programming.

Please send specs for programming. I/we make a certain PIC programming
tool and we would like to support your chips. If possible, send specs with
timing diagrams and tables. This way there will be fewer mistakes. We do
not accept Windows/Microsoft file formats. Send as plain text, Post
Script, PDF, dvi or tex.

Peter

1998\10\26@175551 by James Cameron

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Peter L. Peres wrote:
> How can an 18 pin package have 18 IO pins?

Well, the supply pin is an input, and the ground pin is an output.  ;-)

If a Chinese company is duplicating Microchip's work, I'd expect far
more than a mere 30% off.  Perhaps someone is taking a profit?

I'd want to know if it is licensed and how compatible it is.

And a web site adds credibility.  No web site, no clue.

--
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Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

1998\10\26@234910 by tjaart

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Eisermann, Phil wrote:

> > David Wong wrote:
> >
>         > > What company produces these and what is their website.
>
>         To which Starfire Zhu replied:
>         No website available at present. The company is in China.
>
>         ...and the name of the company would be?

I did a search, and it looks like the company is called EZE.
http://members.xoom.com/eze/indexe.htm

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1998\10\27@064253 by wwl

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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 03:00:06 +0800, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>No website available at present. The company is in China.
>
>David Wong wrote:
>
>> What company produces these and what is their website.
>
There is a website for their UK distributors :

http://www.ezeuk.com

1998\10\27@065234 by Dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi Peter and all,

I completely agree with you. However, for the matter of the fact:

Parallax had stopped "releasing regular upgrades of SPASM", they said.
I find it also not so fine...

Imre


On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Peter Cousens wrote:

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1998\10\27@065259 by Dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi all,

it is written:

memory  ... x 14 bits
stack         2 levels


what kinda of PIC want they to be?

Imre

1998\10\27@070559 by Nicholas Irias

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The company probably wants to keep a low profile, after a similar company
was put out of business for exporting pirate Win95, WinNT and Microsoft
Office CD-ROMS.

Regarding the pinouts, I think you can download the data sheets from
microchip.  So for a YB16C54 (YB stands for Yellow Beard, till we know the
pirate's name), you would go to Microchip and download the datasheet for a
PIC15C54.  A skilled pirate would have ensured that the pinouts are an exact
match, though some of the electical specs may vary.  The key to hardware and
software piracy is to make an exact copy, and thus leave all documentation
and support expenses to the company you have victimized.


{Original Message removed}

1998\10\27@073423 by wwl

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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:53:39 +1100, you wrote:

>Peter L. Peres wrote:
>> How can an 18 pin package have 18 IO pins?
>
>Well, the supply pin is an input, and the ground pin is an output.  ;-)
>
>If a Chinese company is duplicating Microchip's work, I'd expect far
>more than a mere 30% off.  Perhaps someone is taking a profit?
>
>I'd want to know if it is licensed and how compatible it is.
>
>And a web site adds credibility.  No web site, no clue.
I've tried these devices with  two existing 16c54 and one 16c56
designs & they worked fine.
The programmer software is a bit of a dog - the opcode mapping is
different, so you have to run the .hex file though TWO seperate dos
command-line converters (with different parameter formats!) before
loading it into the programmer! But it does appear to work.
My customer who was looking at these has put it on hold for the
moment, as he found he could get the genuine article cheaper by
importing from (I think) Australia. Maybe MCT are shipping devices at
lower prices  to the far East to compete with other devices ?

1998\10\27@081131 by Ray Gardiner

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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Dr. Imre Bartfai wrote:
>memory  ... x 14 bits
>stack         2 levels
>what kinda of PIC want they to be?
>
16C5X compatible (14 bit instructions is basically extension of 16C54 12 bit)

I fail to understand the critisism (flames) that "Starfire Zhu" has attracted
for posting news of these products. I wish to make the following points.

       1. A second (or third) source for chips is ALWAYS good news. It shows
          that the market is maturing somewhat, and further increases the use
          PIC based products. I have customers who INSIST on second source for
          all parts.

       2. It is not obvious that these are "rip-offs" of microchip parts,
          merely pin compatible and code compatible. The 14 bit instruction
          set for 16C5X parts is an indication that these aren't direct copies.

       3. Mr "Starfire Zhu" has not laid claim to having designed these parts,
          merely pointed out that they exist. Are we to assume that
          anyone gets flamed for pointing out what others have made available?

       4. The web site http://www.ezeuk.com has zipped doc files for the parts
          no doubt closer scrutiny of the data sheets will clarify some of
          these issues.

Ok, that's my 2 cents flame away!

Ray Gardiner @spam@ray@spam@spamspam_OUThdc.com.au

1998\10\27@112921 by Peter L. Peres

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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, James Cameron wrote:

> Peter L. Peres wrote:
> > How can an 18 pin package have 18 IO pins?
>
> Well, the supply pin is an input, and the ground pin is an output.  ;-)
>
> If a Chinese company is duplicating Microchip's work, I'd expect far
> more than a mere 30% off.  Perhaps someone is taking a profit?
>
> I'd want to know if it is licensed and how compatible it is.
>
> And a web site adds credibility.  No web site, no clue.

FYI, the way things look here, for now, is, you buy the really good things
from companies that have no web site. They are simply too busy producting
and selling to bother about extra advertising ;) One should never look
upon a place through one's own glasses ;)

Peter

1998\10\27@154606 by John Griessen

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It's because his style reeks of psychologically expert hypnotic languaging,
and the cheery tone lulls many into ignoring the probable piracy.  Also
because he has no visibility.  Also because he answers only the easy
positive questions.

Answer that Mr. Zhu, (the con artist formerly known as "starfire")

John Griessen

-----Original Message-----

I fail to understand the critisism (flames) that "Starfire Zhu" has
attracted
for posting news of these products.
.
.
.
Ray Gardiner spamBeGonerayspamKILLspamhdc.com.au

1998\10\28@003103 by Russell McMahon

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For what its worth, I'm not so sure the hardware side of his
offerings appear to be any more than is offered by many others -
functional clones of other products. If you can achieve the same
results without violating patents (and part of the art of many (most?
;-) patents is to describe simple common sense and prior art that any
fool knew about, in a form that sounds new to the patent examiner)
then common practice seems to be to go for it.

Copying other people's silicon directly sounds somewhat naughtier but
whose to say with any certainty that this is what's happening here?
(It may well be but I haven't seen anything that would make me
certain of it).

Even direct copying, if not in violation of patent or copyright, is
part of normal business practice (sadly perhaps, but is he being
criticised for being Chinese or for doing things that others wouldn't
dream of?).

And the children of Fairchild begat Intel, and the children of Intel
begat AMD and ..... ?

And the minds of Xerox Parc thought long and hard and developed all
sorts of toys (or maybe they saw them somewhere else that I haven't
heard of) and they said, "one day you will all use mice and windows
and GUIs and ..." (but they used different names for them), and the
boys at Apple said, "we sure will", and the boys at Microsoft said
.... and .... ?

From: John Griessen <.....john_gspam_OUTspamCIBOLO.COM>

>It's because his style reeks of psychologically expert hypnotic
languaging,
>and the cheery tone lulls many into ignoring the probable piracy.
Also
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1998\10\28@011613 by Peter Crowcroft

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>The company probably wants to keep a low profile, after a similar company
>was put out of business for exporting pirate Win95, WinNT and Microsoft
>Office CD-ROMS.

Sorry, no. At this very moment I can walk 200 yds and buy any quantity of
W98 upgrades, W95, WNT v5, Virtual Studio 97 (4 CD's), Enc Brit 98 (3 cds)
etc etc  at 5 CDROMs for $HK100, or $US12.95. Over the border the prices
are even cheaper. Just last night I watched Private Ryan - 3 cd's - which I
bought for $Hk20. Pirated books (in english) have been stopped for many
years but CDROMs have never been stopped.

>PIC15C54.  A skilled pirate would have ensured that the pinouts are an exact
>match, though some of the electical specs may vary.  The key to hardware and
>software piracy is to make an exact copy, and thus leave all documentation
>and support expenses to the company you have victimized.

China is only doing now what Japan did in the 1970's then Taiwan & Korea
did in the 80's & 90's. COPY, develop fast then start to worry about the
legalities.

Last week at the HK Electronics show it was very clear that China is a
major player in electronics fabrication & manufacture. The young people in
china today have english as their 2nd (non-dialect) language. A generation
ago it was russian and look where that got them! I would take a guess that
1/3 to 1/2 the mainland chinese booths had email or web addresses. The
trend is clear; get used to it.





regards,  Peter

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1998\10\28@021109 by William Chops Westfield

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FPGA implementations of popular processors have been mentioned a couple
of times.  Are any of these freeware sorts of things?  I need something to
do with all those Xilinx and Altera chips I have lying around...

Thanks
Bill W

1998\10\28@022150 by tjaart

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William Chops Westfield wrote:

> FPGA implementations of popular processors have been mentioned a couple
> of times.  Are any of these freeware sorts of things?  I need something to
> do with all those Xilinx and Altera chips I have lying around...
>
> Thanks
> Bill W

I have seen a app note of a VHDL implementation of a 'micro' (it lookedlike a PIC to me) on one of
the sites. Of course, I can't remember which.

I'll go through my old book marks...

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1998\10\28@052634 by wwl

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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:45:30 -0000, you wrote:

>It's because his style reeks of psychologically expert hypnotic languaging,
>and the cheery tone lulls many into ignoring the probable piracy.  
Remember he's not a native english speaker. Oriental English often
appears rather 'colourful' to westerners! His messages are not
untypical of the style of many other far-easterners.
>Also because he has no visibility.  Also because he answers only the easy
>positive questions.
>
>Answer that Mr. Zhu, (the con artist formerly known as "starfire")
..you have sufficient proof to back up this libellous accusation?
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
>John Griessen
>
>{Original Message removed}

1998\10\28@133947 by Peter L. Peres

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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, William Chops Westfield wrote:

> FPGA implementations of popular processors have been mentioned a couple
> of times.  Are any of these freeware sorts of things?  I need something to
> do with all those Xilinx and Altera chips I have lying around...

There is a man who has implemented a 'new' processor (not a clone) in a
Xilinx and plans to GPL it. The name is Allen and you can find the thread
in .embedded. and .design. I think.

Peter

1998\10\28@170111 by Eric Smith

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Bill W wrote:
> FPGA implementations of popular processors have been mentioned a couple
> of times.  Are any of these freeware sorts of things?  I need something to
> do with all those Xilinx and Altera chips I have lying around...

Take a look at:

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=405443751.1&search=thread

1998\10\28@174353 by John Griessen

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-----Original Message-----

> FPGA implementations of popular processors have been mentioned a couple
> of times.  Are any of these freeware sorts of things?  I need something to
> do with all those Xilinx and Altera chips I have lying around...

Take a look at:

http://www.tefbbs.com/spacetime/dyop.htm

1998\10\31@013418 by John Griessen

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-----Original Message-----

> FPGA implementations of popular processors have been mentioned a couple
> of times.  Are any of these freeware sorts of things?  I need something to
> do with all those Xilinx and Altera chips I have lying around...

Take a look at:

http://www.tefbbs.com/spacetime/dyop.htm

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