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2000\03\07@175344 by Andrew Hooper

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Oh No, here we go again... Yet another flame to a person asking
for assistance!

If you don't have something constructive to say then DON'T SAY IT !

Steve Horvath, was asking for a piece of code that he could dissect
and would give him further insight into the working of the PIC and the
likes.
there may be a perfectly valid reason for asking for assistance in this way
and certainly does not deserve to be shot down by every second person
on the mailing list.

Do you have any idea what a Kinesetic learner is?
Its a person that has the ability to learn by doing and comprehend concepts
in a diferent way to others, unfortunatley on the down side these people
often
are unable to comprehend written words the same as average people.

Please Think before you Judge.

Regards
Andrew

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2000\03\08@055202 by Alan Pearce

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>Do you have any idea what a Kinesetic learner is?
>Its a person that has the ability to learn by doing and comprehend concepts
>in a diferent way to others, unfortunatley on the down side these people
>often
>are unable to comprehend written words the same as average people.

however the original posting did seem to claim that he had done these sort of
things with an 8031. It would seem to me that the learning should be done by
porting the existing work to a PIC. There are enough app notes and FAQ sites
available to give pointers with out asking someone to write the code for you.

2000\03\08@141335 by Peter Vincent

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so Andrew u don't feel that reading the data sheet is the best place to
start ? also in reference to your comment
"Do you have any idea what a Kinesetic learner is?
Its a person that has the ability to learn by doing and comprehend concepts
in a different way to others, unfortunately on the down side these people
often are unable to comprehend written words the same as average people."
programing micros is rather dependant on the written word if some one can't
understand the written example in the data sheet then how is the written
word in an email different ? I am sure Steve is able to stick up for himself
. I struggled through school with dyslexia and still do to a lesser extent
if people adhered to your advice "If you don't have something constructive
to say then DON'T SAY IT !"
then my condition would not have been recognised ,all thing have a natural
order it is the way of life people are very good at spotting defects in
others and some times this is the only way problems come to light . so if u
have something on your mind SAY IT ! keeping quiet never helped anyone

peter




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From: "Andrew Hooper" <spam_OUTandrewTakeThisOuTspamBEST.NET.NZ>
To: <.....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Example [OT]


> Oh No, here we go again... Yet another flame to a person asking
> for assistance!
>
> If you don't have something constructive to say then DON'T SAY IT !
>
> Steve Horvath, was asking for a piece of code that he could dissect
> and would give him further insight into the working of the PIC and the
> likes.
> there may be a perfectly valid reason for asking for assistance in this
way
> and certainly does not deserve to be shot down by every second person
> on the mailing list.
>
> Do you have any idea what a Kinesetic learner is?
> Its a person that has the ability to learn by doing and comprehend
concepts
> in a diferent way to others, unfortunatley on the down side these people
> often
> are unable to comprehend written words the same as average people.
>
> Please Think before you Judge.
>
> Regards
> Andrew
>
> {Original Message removed}

2000\03\08@162529 by Andrew Hooper

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Peter,

>so Andrew u don't feel that reading the data sheet is the best place to
>start ? also in reference to your comment


On the contrary, its a great help, just some things don't sink in or are
hard to understand
and it makes life easier when you have a working model as an example.

>"Do you have any idea what a Kinesetic learner is?
>Its a person that has the ability to learn by doing and comprehend concepts
>in a different way to others, unfortunately on the down side these people
>often are unable to comprehend written words the same as average people."

>programing micros is rather dependant on the written word if some one can't
>understand the written example in the data sheet then how is the written
>word in an email different ? I am sure Steve is able to stick up for
himself


Think about it this way, you have read the manual and the information is not
sinking in, or making sense, it appears to be just words on paper, then you
read
email that has exactly the same information frased in a different context or
a concept written differently.

Steve may be able to stick up for himself, then again would you after being
essentially flamed?

>. I struggled through school with dyslexia and still do to a lesser extent
>if people adhered to your advice "If you don't have something constructive
>to say then DON'T SAY IT !"
>then my condition would not have been recognised ,all thing have a natural
>order it is the way of life people are very good at spotting defects in
>others and some times this is the only way problems come to light . so if u
>have something on your mind SAY IT ! keeping quiet never helped anyone


I suffer from dislexia as well, its fun when your writing a peice of code,
Im also
Kinesetic learner, both of these went undiagnosed for years and were not
picked
up at school, as a result I was branded as having a learning dissability.

My point was please dont jump to conclusions about people, often thay can be
the wron conclusion, especially over internet where you dont know the reason
or
background behind the person asking the question.

When it was found that you had dyslexia did your tutors assist you or did
they
just ignore your situation.

Regards
Andrew

2000\03\08@171805 by jamesnewton

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Is complaining about the complaint as bad as the complaining done by the
original complainer?
1. Don't assume
2. Don't cry

How bad is giving unrequested advice? <GRIN>

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2000\03\09@135043 by Peter Vincent

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Andrew
            fair comment m8 my dyslexia was dismissed as being to late to
help as it was undiscovered until mock exams were pending and i was soon not
to be the schools problem ,on reflection i admit to having been a bit hasty
,it just gets my goat that some seem to use this list as a way of getting
their work done for them without putting in any effort themselves in
fairness the main cause was probably the email that i read prior to Steve's
that went something like "how do i clear the w register?" that really fired
me up i don't mean to cause offence and if it reads that way I'm sorry :-)

best wishes
peter

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