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Ashkan Marami wrote; >I want embedded controller handbook.would you please help me where can i buy >it in U.S.A,AUSTRALIA or SINGAPORE? >thanks It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it appears to me that the '94 version is available by FTP at: ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote as 00092c.pdf (2megs!!) I use Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - can't speak for the PCs.) Cheers, Murray From: !!!!!!!! | | Murray McGregor | (o)(o) Education Department C _) ZZ University of Otago | ,___| ZZ |\ _,,,---, Dunedin, New Zealand. / / zz /,`.-'`' -. ;_. Ph (64)(3)479-8801 /____\ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ (-.:,_ ======================oOOo=======oOOo===='---''(_/--'==`-'\_)=`'-'==

On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Murray McGregor wrote: > Just resending this message as my earlier attempt was rejected. (Shouldn't > I receive a copy of my message to the PICLIST?) > > Ashkan Marami wrote asking where he could obtain the Embedded Controller > Handbook in Australia or Singapore. > > It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also looks > like the '94 version is available by FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote as 00092c.pdf (2megs!!) > > I used Adobe Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - don't know the PC > requirements.) > > Cheers, Murray > The ftp file contains only one third of the book, unfortunately. The other application notes are at the ftp site in postscript or pure code format. I wish I could get the whole book, too:)

> It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also looks > like the '94 version is available by FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote as 00092c.pdf (2megs!!) > > I used Adobe Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - don't know the PC > requirements.) I tried to view this file with ghostscript, or adobe acroread for sun or arcoread for sgi and all failed. The first two agree that there is an unknown token -i (not an i, actually, but an upside down !), while the sgi version simply did coredump. Can anybody verify that the file on the ftp server is o.k.? I did a binary ftp and did it twice already. Sigh, juergen. -- o Juergen Weigert >> spam_OUTjnweigerTakeThisOuTuni-erlangen.de << vim:set wm=8 <V> 99 bottles of beer, 2 pizza, 2 t-shirts, enough bugs, no permanent values \ comp.security.unix discussing screen: (/) It is a program that screens other people from seeing what you are doing

On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Juergen Weigert (Inf4 - hiwi) wrote: > I tried to view this file with ghostscript, or adobe acroread for sun or > arcoread for sgi and all failed. The first two agree that there is an > unknown token -i (not an i, actually, but an upside down !), while the > sgi version simply did coredump. > > Can anybody verify that the file on the ftp server is o.k.? I did a > binary ftp and did it twice already. > Just finished downloading the .pdf file and used Acroread. Worked fine for me. I don't know what the problem might be but the file appears to be OK. Sorry I'm not more help! :-| regards, Preston Gabel

> > It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also looks > > like the '94 version is available by FTP at: > > > > ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote as 00092c.pdf (2megs!!) > > > > I used Adobe Acrobat on a Mac to view it. (Sorry - don't know the PC > > requirements.) > > I tried to view this file with ghostscript, or adobe acroread for sun or > arcoread for sgi and all failed. The first two agree that there is an > unknown token -i (not an i, actually, but an upside down !), while the > sgi version simply did coredump. > > Can anybody verify that the file on the ftp server is o.k.? I did a > binary ftp and did it twice already. > I tried this a couple of days ago on my PC with acroread and it worked ok. the document is 442 pages in only 2.4 Mb not bad! I have not printed it yet ! /Sten --- Sten Dahlgren CelsiusTech Systems ! "I'd rather have 39 Hp under my arm S-175 88 Jaerfaella Sweden ! than one under my backside" .....sedaKILLspam@spam@celsiustech.se +46-8 58084430 ! join your nearest karting club now !! On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Juergen Weigert (Inf4 - hiwi) wrote:

I too downloaded this file. It's also 442 pages long, but that only covers sections 1-3. The index suggests that there are more sections (4-11). Not that the first three sections aren't interesting, but I'd like to get my hands on the remaining portion of this handbook. Does anybody know where I could get the rest of the embedded controller handbook? Thanks for any help, -Marc --- Marc Bailey marcbKILLspamprimenet.com >> > It is available from Farnell Electronic Components, but it also >> > like the '94 version is available by FTP at: >> > >> > ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/appnote as 00092c.pdf (2megs!!) [snip-snip] >I tried this a couple of days ago on my PC with acroread and it worked >ok. the document is 442 pages in only 2.4 Mb not bad! >I have not printed it yet ! > >/Sten > >--- >Sten Dahlgren CelsiusTech Systems ! "I'd rather have 39 Hp under my arm >S-175 88 Jaerfaella Sweden ! than one under my backside" >.....sedaKILLspam.....celsiustech.se +46-8 58084430 ! join your nearest karting club now !!

John I don't think the book is available as ONE big .pdf file. What they meant was all that is in the book is available on the web site.... usually as individual files. The Embedded Controller handbook is a collection of code, ideas and circuits. Good Luck Charles {Quote hidden}>From: John Midgley <EraseMEJohn.Midgleyspam_OUTTakeThisOuTENORFOLK-HA.ANGLOX.NHS.UK>> >Subject: Embedded Controller Handbook >To: PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > >Hi all > >I saw an e-mail from the piclist, suggesting that the Microchip >'Embedded Controller Handbook' was available on their website >as a .PDF file. I've searched on http://www.microchip.com, but I can't >find it. Can anyone offer a more specific URL? > >I'd like to get my hands on this, but since I'm a tightwad, I'd >rather not pay for it. > >Regards > >John Midgley > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello John, Unless you have a T-3 connection, you may want to rethink the downloading a whole document that large. I would try either of two no-cost alternatives; a)download only those data sheets and app-notes you actually need or b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may contain all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. Tom On Monday, February 23, 1998 6:01 AM, John Midgley [SMTP:@spam@John.MidgleyKILLspamENORFOLK-HA.ANGLOX.NHS.UK] wrote: {Quote hidden}> Hi all > > I saw an e-mail from the piclist, suggesting that the Microchip > 'Embedded Controller Handbook' was available on their website > as a .PDF file. I've searched on http://www.microchip.com, but I can't > find it. Can anyone offer a more specific URL? > > I'd like to get my hands on this, but since I'm a tightwad, I'd > rather not pay for it. > > Regards > > John Midgley >

I must agree with John, I found the same problem....no pdf file at the microchip site...now I AM DESPERATE to learn how to pgm a PICC84 so any help would be appreciated guys thanks {Quote hidden}> Hi all > > I saw an e-mail from the piclist, suggesting that the Microchip > 'Embedded Controller Handbook' was available on their website > as a .PDF file. I've searched on http://www.microchip.com, but I can't > find it. Can anyone offer a more specific URL? > > I'd like to get my hands on this, but since I'm a tightwad, I'd > rather not pay for it. > > Regards > > John Midgley > Rock On......... >@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@ !! FRAK MAN !! !! The String Bender !! !! email: KILLspamfrakKILLspamsnakebite.com !! !! Tel: 0161 248 5933 !! !! IP No: 130.88.189.11 !! @<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<

You asked about accessing the "Embedded Controller Handbook" from the Microchip website. The "Embedded Controller Handbook" is just a collection of Microchip application notes. These are available from the Microchip website home page under Developer's Toolbox / Application Notes. These Application Notes are also available, listed by number, from the first screen of the Microchip CD-ROM under Appnotes. They are catalogued in the Xrefdoc.pdf file in this same screen. In both cases, Acrobat Reader 3 will be required. This is included on the CD-ROM. Stewart

I found 30445c.pdf = datasheet for 16C84 at www.microchip.com/10/Datasheet/PICmicros/PIC16F8X.htm and downloaded it. Size = 1127170 If you still can't get it I'll be happy to send it to you. Rich At 12:45 AM 2/24/98 GMT, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>I must agree with John, I found the same problem....no pdf file at >the microchip site...now I AM DESPERATE to learn how to pgm a PICC84 >so any help would be appreciated guys >thanks > > > > >> Hi all >> >> I saw an e-mail from the piclist, suggesting that the Microchip >> 'Embedded Controller Handbook' was available on their website >> as a .PDF file. I've searched on http://www.microchip.com, but I can't >> find it. Can anyone offer a more specific URL? >> >> I'd like to get my hands on this, but since I'm a tightwad, I'd >> rather not pay for it. >> >> Regards >> >> John Midgley >> > > Rock On......... > > >@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@ > !! FRAK MAN !! > !! The String Bender !! > !! email: RemoveMEfrakTakeThisOuTsnakebite.com !! > !! Tel: 0161 248 5933 !! > !! IP No: 130.88.189.11 !! > @<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@< > > ========================================= = Abolish the Income Tax! Fire the IRS! = = http://www.nrst.org/ = =========================================

> Van: FRAK!FRAK!FRAK! <spamBeGoneMCHU5FANspamBeGoneFS2.EE.UMIST.AC.UK> > Aan: TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Onderwerp: Re: Embedded Controller Handbook > Datum: dinsdag 24 februari 1998 1:45 > > I must agree with John, I found the same problem....no pdf file at > the microchip site...now I AM DESPERATE to learn how to pgm a PICC84 > so any help would be appreciated guys > thanks To Frak (?) & John Midgley Try to find the files DS39445?.PDF (Description of PIC16C84 inclusive Mnemonics) and DS30189?.PDF (How to transfer a program to the PIC16C84) Be warned though, the Bulk-erase still doesn't work as discribed ... Greetz, Rudy Wieser

Tom Mariner wrote: > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may contain > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but in an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had been passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due course. THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to mail me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have I got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. Cheers, Paul B.

Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Tom Mariner wrote: > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may > contain > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. > Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, > seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for > several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but > in > an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had > been > passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due > course. > > THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to > mail > me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even > asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have > I > got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! > > OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. > > Cheers, > Paul B. Hi Paul, Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a request today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the same result. It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters. Don McKenzie RemoveMEdonTakeThisOuTdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com Don's Download Dungeon http://www.dontronics.com/download.html For more details, send a blank message to infoEraseME.....dontronics.com or EraseMEsimstickdontronics.com or RemoveMEbasicsEraseMEEraseMEdontronics.com

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Don McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}> Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: > > > > Tom Mariner wrote: > > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may > > contain > > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. > > > > Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, > > seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for > > several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but > > in > > an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had > > been > > passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due > > course. > > > > THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to > > mail > > me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even > > asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have > > I > > got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! > > > > OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. > Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a request > today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the same > result. > > It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters. > FWIW, I'm still waiting for my CD to arrive here in Tokyo. Request made mid-november, letter dated December 11th... -- David Van Cleef - Chief Engineer (and Cat Herder) RemoveMEdvcspam_OUTKILLspamgol.com - Global Online Japan RemoveMEdvcTakeThisOuTspamaeug.org

In message <EraseME34F2ADB9.4172spamspamBeGonemidcoast.com.au>, "Paul B. Webster VK2BZC" <RemoveMEpaulbKILLspammidcoast.com.au> writes > > Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, >seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for >several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but in >an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had been >passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due course. > > THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to mail >me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even >asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have I >got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! Exactly the same happens (or not) in the UK. What a waste of everybody's time! -- Alan Hall, Ipswich, UK +44 1473 652301

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Brian Jones wrote: > Looks like its US v Rest of the World - I too am waiting since > December. Like Paul I did get a letter saying local agent will deal > with but nothing heard.. > > Paul, about 18 months ago I phoned my local UK agent and they mailed > me a CD-ROM within a week or so - if you are desperate perhaps a call > to your local agent will accelerate. > This might help *IF* the local agent and I spoke the same language... -- David Van Cleef - Chief Engineer (and Cat Herder) dvcSTOPspamspam_OUTgol.com - Global Online Japan spamBeGonedvcSTOPspamEraseMEaeug.org

Same thing here in the States. I waited one month & finally called the distributor named in the letter. They shipped immediately after I called. -Dan KF6IZO ============================================== At 05:11 PM 2/25/98 +0900, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Don McKenzie wrote: > >> Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: >> > >> > Tom Mariner wrote: >> > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may >> > contain >> > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. >> >> >> > Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, >> > seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for >> > several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but >> > in >> > an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had >> > been >> > passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due >> > course. >> > >> > THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to >> > mail >> > me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even >> > asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have >> > I >> > got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! >> > >> > OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. >> Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a request >> today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the same >> result. >> >> It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters. >> > >FWIW, I'm still waiting for my CD to arrive here in Tokyo. Request made >mid-november, letter dated December 11th... > >-- >David Van Cleef - Chief Engineer (and Cat Herder) >KILLspamdvcspamBeGonegol.com - Global Online Japan >EraseMEdvcEraseMEaeug.org > > -Dan Welch @spam@amersci@spam@spam_OUTflash.net

>Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: > > Tom Mariner wrote: > > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may > > contain > > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. > > > > Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, > > seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for > > several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but > > in > > an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had > > been > > passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due > > course. > > > > THAT was several weeks ago. <<snip>> Well I *do* live in the US and I'm not doing much better. My letter from microchip is dated 2/4 and I've yet to hear from my "local Microchip Technology sales rep" and they are just down the road. -mark- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:48:48 +1100, Don McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}>Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: >> >> Tom Mariner wrote: >> > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may >> contain >> > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. > > >> Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, >> seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for >> several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but >> in >> an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had >> been >> passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due >> course. >> >> THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to >> mail >> me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even >> asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have >> I >> got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! >> >> OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. >> >> Cheers, >> Paul B. > >Hi Paul, >Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a request >today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the same >result. > >It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters. > >Don McKenzie spamBeGonedonKILLspamdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > >Don's Download Dungeon http://www.dontronics.com/download.html >For more details, send a blank message to .....infospam_OUTdontronics.com >or TakeThisOuTsimstick.....TakeThisOuTdontronics.com or TakeThisOuTbasicsKILLspamspamdontronics.com > I live in the US and I have also requested the technical library CD and got the same letter. It has been several weeks for me as well. I imagine that this is just the way the literature distribution works! At least my "local distributor" is truely local for me. If I don't get that CD soon, I'll just drive down there... :-) Dan

Don't hold your breath waiting for anything but a letter. I have circled bingo cards twice in professional magazines over the past two years as well as requesting one on the web site. I always got a letter instead. Digikey was always out of stock of CD-Roms for sale. The only way I got one was to buy a PicStart Plus. David Van Cleef wrote: {Quote hidden}> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Don McKenzie wrote: > > > Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: > > > > > > Tom Mariner wrote: > > > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may > > > contain > > > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web > Site. > > > > > > > Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the > CD-ROM, > > > seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing > for > > > several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead > but > > > in > > > an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request > had > > > been > > > passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due > > > course. > > > > > > THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to > > > > mail > > > me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not > even > > > asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What > have > > > I > > > got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! > > > > > > OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. > > Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a > request > > today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the > same > > result. > > > > It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters. > > > > FWIW, I'm still waiting for my CD to arrive here in Tokyo. Request > made > mid-november, letter dated December 11th... > > -- > David Van Cleef - Chief Engineer (and Cat Herder) > RemoveMEdvcspamBeGonegol.com - Global Online Japan > spamBeGonedvc@spam@spam_OUTaeug.org

I am in Venezuela, if you think you are waiting think in me, I have more than 12 months waiting and is SouthAmerica, it mean this CD-ROM wont come!. Brian Jones escribis: {Quote hidden}> Looks like its US v Rest of the World - I too am waiting since > December. Like Paul I did get a letter saying local agent will deal > with but nothing heard.. > > Paul, about 18 months ago I phoned my local UK agent and they mailed > me a CD-ROM within a week or so - if you are desperate perhaps a call > to your local agent will accelerate. > > Brian > Brian Jones > Java Technology Centre > IBM Hursley

Il 25-Feb-98, Alan Hall scrisse: >> Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, >> to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for >> weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but in >> envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had been >> on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due course. >> >> THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to mail >> the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even >> for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have I >> now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! > Exactly the same happens (or not) in the UK. What a waste of everybody's > time! It's the same for me, here in italy... maybe microchip is reading these lines? anyway, if you are interested in these services (i.e. samples, data sheets, etc) try Motorola, National, Maxim and Xicor...the best 've ever seen...

Me too, I've tried requesting a CD twice from their website. I received the infamous letter 4 months ago. Never got the CD... Microchip? Are you listening? -JC Alessandro Zummo wrote: {Quote hidden}> Il 25-Feb-98, Alan Hall scrisse: > > >> Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, > >> to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for > >> weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but in > >> envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had been > >> on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due course. > >> > >> THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to mail > >> the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even > >> for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have I > >> now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! > > > Exactly the same happens (or not) in the UK. What a waste of everybody's > > time! > > It's the same for me, here in italy... > maybe microchip is reading these lines? > anyway, if you are interested in these services (i.e. samples, data sheets, > etc) > try Motorola, National, Maxim and Xicor...the best 've ever seen...

Hi I don't know if the document on the 16C84 (30445c.pdf) has all the detai ls about programming the chip. In my case with the 16F84 the datasheet only refered lightly to the subject and directs us to the familly documentation. I found the chapter on ICSP (In Circuit Serial Programming) under the name 31028a.pdf (chapter 28 of the PICmicro MID-RANGE MCU FAMILY manual, Microchip ref. DS31028A). The info on this document is also usable for off circuit programming. If you have any trouble reaching it on the Microchip Web site, just ask me by private E-mAil and I will send it attached (its only 98KB). Jorge F At 23:24 98.02.23 -0800, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>I found 30445c.pdf = datasheet for 16C84 at >www.microchip.com/10/Datasheet/PICmicros/PIC16F8X.htm >and downloaded it. Size = 1127170 > >If you still can't get it I'll be happy to send it to you. > >Rich > >At 12:45 AM 2/24/98 GMT, you wrote: >>I must agree with John, I found the same problem....no pdf file at >>the microchip site...now I AM DESPERATE to learn how to pgm a PICC84 >>so any help would be appreciated guys >>thanks >> >> >> >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I saw an e-mail from the piclist, suggesting that the Microchip >>> 'Embedded Controller Handbook' was available on their website >>> as a .PDF file. I've searched on http://www.microchip.com, but I can't >>> find it. Can anyone offer a more specific URL? >>> >>> I'd like to get my hands on this, but since I'm a tightwad, I'd >>> rather not pay for it. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Midgley >>> >> >> Rock On......... >> >> >@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@>@ >> !! FRAK MAN !! >> !! The String Bender !! >> !! email: TakeThisOuTfrakspamsnakebite.com !! >> !! Tel: 0161 248 5933 !! >> !! IP No: 130.88.189.11 !! >> @<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@<@< >> >> > >========================================= >= Abolish the Income Tax! Fire the IRS! = >= http://www.nrst.org/ = >========================================= > =============================================================== cumprimentos / best regards Jorge Ferreira //jorgegfEraseMEmail.telepac.pt ------ Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth ------- ===============================================================

At 14.48 25/02/98 +1100, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: >> >> Tom Mariner wrote: >> > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may >> contain >> > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. > > >> Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, >> seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for >> several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but >> in >> an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had >> been >> passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due >> course. >> >> THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to >> mail >> me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even >> asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have >> I >> got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! >> >> OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. >> >> Cheers, >> Paul B. > >Hi Paul, >Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a request >today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the same >result. > >It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters. > I had the same result of Paul. I had receive the letter from Microchip but no the CD. =================================================== Alboni Giorgio Faenza (Ra) ITALY E-Mail: @spam@rac1337RemoveMEEraseMEracine.ravenna.it www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/5444 (Last Update: 29/09/97) ===================================================

In Portugal it's the same thing. Several months passed and nothing. Fernando Dan Welch wrote: Same thing here in the States. I waited one month & finally called the {Quote hidden}> distributor named in the letter. > > They shipped immediately after I called. > > -Dan KF6IZO > > ============================================== > At 05:11 PM 2/25/98 +0900, you wrote: > >On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Don McKenzie wrote: > > > >> Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: > >> > > >> > Tom Mariner wrote: > >> > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may > >> > contain > >> > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. > >> > >> > >> > Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, > >> > seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for > >> > several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but > >> > in > >> > an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had > >> > been > >> > passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due > >> > course. > >> > > >> > THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to > >> > mail > >> > me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even > >> > asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have > >> > I > >> > got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! > >> > > >> > OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. > >> Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a request > >> today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the same > >> result. > >> > >> It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters. > >> > > > >FWIW, I'm still waiting for my CD to arrive here in Tokyo. Request made > >mid-november, letter dated December 11th... > > > >-- > >David Van Cleef - Chief Engineer (and Cat Herder) > >EraseMEdvc@spam@gol.com - Global Online Japan > >@spam@dvcspam_OUT.....aeug.org > > > > > > -Dan Welch > spamBeGoneamersciEraseMEflash.net

In message <34F47BE7.1425B954spamBeGoneclaravista.com> RemoveMEPICLIST@spam@spamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU writes: > Me too, I've tried requesting a CD twice from their website. I received the > infamous letter 4 months ago. Never got the CD... > Microchip? Are you listening? > I've never had a problem getting CDs from Microchip distributors, one phone call and within a week I have one. I actually prefer printed data sheets, and will always try to get one for each PIC I work with. Some time ago, Microchip sacked their most prominent UK distie (Polar, who now represent Atmel and the AVR), leaving the others to pick up the business. At that time it was very easy to get CDs and data as the disties were keen to become your preferred supplier. Regards, Mike Watson

mcoop wrote: > > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down > some of their excellent presentations. Yeah, I get Mchip guys phoning up and pressing me for meetings that have no particular purpose (other than to keep us aware of their presence) and would waste half an hour or more of my time. And yet when you want to talk to them they're not available because they're in 'presence' meetings with some other customer! When I do get hold of one they take ages to find someone with more than a salesmans depth of knowledge about PICs. I've not heard of Panasonic micros, but I shall investigate them on mcoop's recommendation.

Keith Howell wrote: > mcoop wrote: > > > > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, > > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down > > some of their excellent presentations. Another nice thing about the eastern companies is that, if you twisttheir arms a bit, you can get very, very expensive development tools for free. (Unlike the infamous Microchip compiler rip-off where you pay for something you never get) We got the complete Cosmic set from Motorola. Motorola buys compilers at retail from the developers and hand them out to the customers. You get full support directly from the developer. (Unlike Microchip MPLAB-C support) I know they also give away Bytecraft compilers which, as you know, also makes the only single-solution compiler for PICs. > Yeah, I get Mchip guys phoning up and pressing me for meetings > that have no particular purpose (other than to keep us aware of > their presence) and would waste half an hour or more of my time. Been there, done that. > And yet when you want to talk to them they're not available because > they're in 'presence' meetings with some other customer! > When I do get hold of one they take ages to find someone with more > than a salesmans depth of knowledge about PICs. Out of curiosity, are these the factory reps you are talking about, or the distributor reps ? Where our distributor (Pace) gives us incredible service, our factory reps also soar to the depths that some of the people on the list have mentioned. It would be interesting to know if the lack of interest is caused by the lack of direct incentive (commision), or because of some other low morale problem. BTW I see the BBS has ceased to be. It is a great pity because the sysop was very good with getting new stuff on the BBS. I don't know if it is the same guy who runs the web site (Very cool site IMHO, but no new stuff like the BBS) now. -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt .....tjaart@spam@EraseMEwasp.co.za _____________________________________________________________ | WASP International http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html | | R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development | | Vehicle tracking | Telemetry systems | GSM data transfer | | Voice : +27-(0)11-622-8686 | Fax : +27-(0)11-622-8973 | | WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E | |_____________________________________________________________|

Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Tom Mariner wrote: > > b) order the CD Rom version of the Technical Library which may > contain > > all you need. Both may be ordered on-line at the Microchip Web Site. > Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, > seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for > several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but > in > an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had > been > passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due > course. > > THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to > mail > me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even > asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have > I > got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! > > OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. > > Cheers, > Paul B. It's seems like the fact that Canada/USA border being the largest undefended border in the world does not help Microchip to deliver their CD. I, also, requested the CD from Microchip website in December. A month later I received a letter from Microchip stating that my requested was passed to my local dealer... I am still waiting to hear from him. It seems I am not as important to this local dealer's eyes than to Microchip !!! Microchip, are you listening ??? Michel Tremblay Network specialist (CBS) Sidus Systems Inc. .....mtremblayRemoveMEmontreal.sidus.ca

At 03:32 PM 2/26/98 +0200, you wrote: >Keith Howell wrote: > >> mcoop wrote: >> > >> > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, >> > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down >> > some of their excellent presentations. > >Another nice thing about the eastern companies is that, if you >twisttheir arms a bit, you can get very, very expensive development >tools for free. (Unlike the infamous Microchip compiler rip-off >where you pay for something you never get) >We got the complete Cosmic set from Motorola. Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved from some xxx manufacturing company in California. Sean +--------------------------------+ | Sean Breheny | | Amateur Radio Callsign: KA3YXM | | Electrical Engineering Student | +--------------------------------+ Fight injustice, please look at http://homepages.enterprise.net/toolan/joanandrews/ Personal page: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/shb7 .....shb7STOPspam@spam@cornell.edu Phone(USA): (607) 253-0315

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Don McKenzie wrote: > Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: > >> Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, >> seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for >> several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but >> in an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had >> been passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due >> course. Nope, I live in the US, and that is all I got. A week after I submitted the request I received a nice letter telling that a local rep would contact me. I do not want to speek with a rep, I just want a CD. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher E. Brown (CB421) <cbrownEraseME@spam@alaska.net> +(907) 357-5680 First Law of System Requirements: "Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 03:29 PM 2/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved >>from some xxx manufacturing company in California. > >But Mr. Lear (who started it, of Learjet fame) was from the Pittsburg area. > >Andy That's an interesting fact which I didn't know, but I guess I interpreted the meaning of "eastern" wrong. I though "eastern" meant from Asia, in this context. Sean +--------------------------------+ | Sean Breheny | | Amateur Radio Callsign: KA3YXM | | Electrical Engineering Student | +--------------------------------+ Fight injustice, please look at http://homepages.enterprise.net/toolan/joanandrews/ Personal page: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/shb7 RemoveMEshb7spamBeGonecornell.edu Phone(USA): (607) 253-0315

Sean Breheny wrote: > At 03:32 PM 2/26/98 +0200, you wrote: > >Keith Howell wrote: > > > >> mcoop wrote: > >> > > >> > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, > >> > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down > >> > some of their excellent presentations. > > > >Another nice thing about the eastern companies is that, if you > >twisttheir arms a bit, you can get very, very expensive development > >tools for free. (Unlike the infamous Microchip compiler rip-off > >where you pay for something you never get) > >We got the complete Cosmic set from Motorola. > > Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved > from some xxx manufacturing company in California. No, I responded to mcoop's "Panasonic on the other hand..." -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt spamBeGonetjaartKILLspam@spam@wasp.co.za _____________________________________________________________ | WASP International http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html | | R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development | | Vehicle tracking | Telemetry systems | GSM data transfer | | Voice : +27-(0)11-622-8686 | Fax : +27-(0)11-622-8973 | | WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E | |_____________________________________________________________|

Sean Breheny wrote: > At 03:32 PM 2/26/98 +0200, you wrote: > >Keith Howell wrote: > > > >> mcoop wrote: > >> > > >> > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, > >> > and invited me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down > >> > some of their excellent presentations. > > > >Another nice thing about the eastern companies is that, if you > >twisttheir arms a bit, you can get very, very expensive development > >tools for free. (Unlike the infamous Microchip compiler rip-off > >where you pay for something you never get) > >We got the complete Cosmic set from Motorola. > > Motorola isn't an "eastern" company, is it? I thought that they evolved > from some xxx manufacturing company in California. Oops, sorry, I didn't read your message properly when I replied earlier. You are quite right, Motorola isn't an 'eastern' company. Motorola's corporate offices are located in Schaumburg, Illinois. (I am probably going to be flamed for this faux pass...<sigh>) -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt tjaartspam_OUT@spam@wasp.co.za _____________________________________________________________ | WASP International http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html | | R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development | | Vehicle tracking | Telemetry systems | GSM data transfer | | Voice : +27-(0)11-622-8686 | Fax : +27-(0)11-622-8973 | | WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E | |_____________________________________________________________|

Don, I had the same experience as Paul.( ie Dear John letter after several weeks) Sort of makes you wonder about their customer service attitude. They could have responded via EMAIL, as you have to give your address in order to register for the CD. John {Quote hidden}> >Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: > >> Nice idea, *IF* you live in the US. I tried ordering the CD-ROM, >> seemed to be a perfectly simple request. What happened? Nothing for >> several weeks, then a letter in the post on Microchip letterhead but >> in >> an envelope postmarked in this country, saying that the request had >> been >> passed on to the local dealers and they would contact me in due >> course. >> >> THAT was several weeks ago. Gee whiz, ALL they had to do was to >> mail >> me the CD from the US. Even by the cheapest surface mail, not even >> asking for air mail, it would have arrived in a few weeks. What have >> I >> got now? *Nothing*, apart from a totally, 100% useless letter! >> >> OK, I feel a *bit* better, a bit wiser, but no data. >> >> Cheers, >> Paul B. > >Hi Paul, >Prompted by the recent messages on the list, I just submitted a request >today for the CD-Rom so it will be interesting to see if I get the same >result. > >It seems we have the same luck in these types of matters. > >Don McKenzie RemoveMEdonEraseMEKILLspamdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > >Don's Download Dungeon http://www.dontronics.com/download.html >For more details, send a blank message to spamBeGoneinfospam_OUTRemoveMEdontronics.com >or .....simstickRemoveMEdontronics.com or basics@spam@dontronics.com

I'm not sure about Microchip. I have very good response from Hewlet Packet and have been receiving product updates in CD-Rom & Floppies. mcoop wrote: {Quote hidden}> It's called "what separates the men from the boys". > > Even after sending in my product registration to Microchip, they haven't > made a sound. I guess they aren't thankful for my business. > > Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, and invited > me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down som eof their excellent > presentations. > > I don't think you have to guess who just received an order for 15,000 uC's > > Regards, > MC > > -----Original Message-----'ve ever seen...

I am still trying to get my CD-ROM. I have emailed them 3 times since Cindy Trotto from Microchip posted top this list. I have had only one answer telling me that my CD will be "mailed out this week". Well, a week has passed, and still no CD. To make things look worse, I reside within the conntinental US! I may not be an engineer myself with purchasing power, but I *do* have influence over many engineers (potential customers) that I associate with. Great product, poor (so far) support. I want to thank the likes of Cindy and others at Microchip that have attempted to get the CD to me,, but I fear that matters aren't toally within their hands. I could just buy the CD from Digi-Key but who knows how up to date it will be. I also don't care to pay $4 for something that should be free. Just my $.02... Dan On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:48:49 +0800, Gary Chung wrote: {Quote hidden}>I'm not sure about Microchip. I have very good response from Hewlet Packet and >have >been receiving product updates in CD-Rom & Floppies. > > >mcoop wrote: > >> It's called "what separates the men from the boys". >> >> Even after sending in my product registration to Microchip, they haven't >> made a sound. I guess they aren't thankful for my business. >> >> Panasonic on the other hand, have been in touch so many times, and invited >> me to so many seminars that I have had to turn down som eof their excellent >> presentations. >> >> I don't think you have to guess who just received an order for 15,000 uC's >> >> Regards, >> MC >> >> -----Original Message-----'ve ever seen... >

Hmm....asked my rep for a sample....he shows up with them a few days later...and brought me the CD..didn't even ask for it!! Well, in most cases, the inquires go thru the local reps. Make a case with them or with Microchip that the rep is not doing their job! ---------- From: Dan Larson [SMTP:EraseMEdlarsonRemoveMESTOPspamcitilink.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 9:51 AM To: RemoveMEPICLISTKILLspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Embedded Controller Handbook I am still trying to get my CD-ROM. I have emailed them 3 times since Cindy Trotto from Microchip posted top this list. I have had only one answer telling me that my CD......

I contacted my local sales rep after waiting serveral weeks from the time I recieved the original "Your name has been forwarded to you local sales rep" letter from Microchip. The local rep said they would "Take care of me right away". I haven't heard from them since. Meanwhile, Cindy Trotto posted the PIC list response. I decided to wait on the "Local Rep" for another week. No luck. I then emailed the address that Cindy posted. Not a word for two weeks. I contacted Microchip again and got a respose telling me that my CD would be mailed that week and that I should contact them (this week) if it did not arrive. Well, it didn't arrive so contacted Microchip again today and got an immediate response notifying me the my CD was being FedEx'd to my address. We'll see if it gets here.... All of this trouble for a CD! I am not even asking for free samples! I am only an "honest" hobbiest with many engineer friends and co-workers. I think, even though I will not be buying thousands of parts, that they would value my good will and my free word of mouth advertising! I might as well start pulling old 8031 and 8051 mcu's from discarded modems! On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:01:43 -0700, Harrison Cooper wrote: > Hmm....asked my rep for a sample....he shows up with >them a few days later...and brought me the CD..didn't even ask for it!! >Well, in most cases, the inquires go thru the local reps. Make a case >with them or with Microchip that the rep is not doing their job! > It may well be that hobbyists are not valued by their sales reps.... I think it is dishonest for me to pretend to be a manufacturer or an engineer. Dan,,,, patiently awaiting my CD. ******************************* * Dan Larson * * Software Engineer * * Micro Control Company * * email: spamBeGonedlarson@spam@citilink.com * *******************************

At 09:43 AM 3/24/98 -0800, Bob Blick wrote: >Microchip still hasn't sent me my "happy fun kit" that I was promised at Tell 'em before you book the order for 2,500,000 pieces you need the "kit." It works for me all the time. I might just have to try it again soon. BTW, I have 31 copies of their product selection guide. Don't bother checking off any Microchip numbers on those bingo-cards -- that's all you'll get -- regardless of what is offered in the blurb. Anyone know when Microchip is gonna wise-up and fix MPLAB so it works on NT? Those micro-51's are starting to look easier and easier to develop for. The PIC is a great uP but... Whom at Microchip should I pound with a "clue-by-four"??? Andrew Gerald Custom Communications Systems *** This e-mail address is a 'facsimile receiver' as defined by Title 47 USC. Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this address is a violation of US Federal Law.

Got to say After Microchip posted their apology on this list I wrote a letter to them and within a week!! I got all the information I wanted, postmarked in the USA. Well done. Justin Grimm RemoveMEreaperspam_OUTsouthwest.com.au ---------- > From: Dan Larson <dlarsonspamcitilink.com> > To: spam_OUTPICLISTspam_OUTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: Embedded Controller Handbook > Date: Wednesday, 25 March 1998 10:13 > > I contacted my local sales rep after waiting serveral weeks > from the time I recieved the original "Your name has been forwarded to > you local sales rep" letter from Microchip. The local rep said they > would "Take care of me right away". I haven't heard from them since. > Meanwhile, Cindy Trotto posted the PIC list response. I decided to wait on > the "Local Rep" for another week. No luck. I then emailed the address that > Cindy posted. Not a word for two weeks. I contacted Microchip again > and got a respose telling me that my CD would be mailed that week and > that I should contact them (this week) if it did not arrive. Well, it didn't {Quote hidden}> arrive so contacted Microchip again today and got an immediate response > notifying me the my CD was being FedEx'd to my address. > > We'll see if it gets here.... > > All of this trouble for a CD! I am not even asking for free samples! > I am only an "honest" hobbiest with many engineer friends and co-workers. > I think, even though I will not be buying thousands of parts, that they > would value my good will and my free word of mouth advertising! > > I might as well start pulling old 8031 and 8051 mcu's from discarded > modems! > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:01:43 -0700, Harrison Cooper wrote: > > > Hmm....asked my rep for a sample....he shows up with > >them a few days later...and brought me the CD..didn't even ask for it!! > >Well, in most cases, the inquires go thru the local reps. Make a case > >with them or with Microchip that the rep is not doing their job! > > > > It may well be that hobbyists are not valued by their sales reps.... > I think it is dishonest for me to pretend to be a manufacturer or an engineer. {Quote hidden}> > Dan,,,, patiently awaiting my CD. > > > > > ******************************* > * Dan Larson * > * Software Engineer * > * Micro Control Company * > * email: dlarsonspam_OUTcitilink.com * > *******************************

I got my CD shipped from the USA to Mexico within 3 weeks, maybe they are just overloaded with work. RO RemoveMEreaperKILLspam@spam@SOUTHWEST.COM.AU on 25/03/98 06:27:12 AM Please respond to PICLISTspamBeGone.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: KILLspamPICLIST.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: (bcc: Rogerio Odriozola/MTY/TVA/Dataflux) Subject: Re: Embedded Controller Handbook Got to say After Microchip posted their apology on this list I wrote a letter to them and within a week!! I got all the information I wanted, postmarked in the USA. Well done. Justin Grimm spam_OUTreaperKILLspamsouthwest.com.au ---------- > From: Dan Larson <RemoveMEdlarsonRemoveMEEraseMEcitilink.com> > To: KILLspamPICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: Embedded Controller Handbook > Date: Wednesday, 25 March 1998 10:13 > > I contacted my local sales rep after waiting serveral weeks > from the time I recieved the original "Your name has been forwarded to > you local sales rep" letter from Microchip. The local rep said they > would "Take care of me right away". I haven't heard from them since. > Meanwhile, Cindy Trotto posted the PIC list response. I decided to wait on > the "Local Rep" for another week. No luck. I then emailed the address that > Cindy posted. Not a word for two weeks. I contacted Microchip again > and got a respose telling me that my CD would be mailed that week and > that I should contact them (this week) if it did not arrive. Well, it didn't {Quote hidden}> arrive so contacted Microchip again today and got an immediate response > notifying me the my CD was being FedEx'd to my address. > > We'll see if it gets here.... > > All of this trouble for a CD! I am not even asking for free samples! > I am only an "honest" hobbiest with many engineer friends and co-workers. > I think, even though I will not be buying thousands of parts, that they > would value my good will and my free word of mouth advertising! > > I might as well start pulling old 8031 and 8051 mcu's from discarded > modems! > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:01:43 -0700, Harrison Cooper wrote: > > > Hmm....asked my rep for a sample....he shows up with > >them a few days later...and brought me the CD..didn't even ask for it!! > >Well, in most cases, the inquires go thru the local reps. Make a case > >with them or with Microchip that the rep is not doing their job! > > > > It may well be that hobbyists are not valued by their sales reps.... > I think it is dishonest for me to pretend to be a manufacturer or an engineer. {Quote hidden}> > Dan,,,, patiently awaiting my CD. > > > > > ******************************* > * Dan Larson * > * Software Engineer * > * Micro Control Company * > * email: dlarsonspamcitilink.com * > *******************************